Leaseweb Forced To Shut Down More BitTorrent Sites
Written by Ernesto on November 16, 2007The Dutch anti-piracy group BREIN has forced LeaseWeb to take down several BitTorrent sites. Although the ISP is determined to fight for its customers in court, for now, it has no other option than to shut down BitTorrent sites when they’re ordered to.
BREIN uses the decision from a case from earlier this year to put pressure on LeaseWeb. In this case, the Amsterdam court ruled that Leaseweb had to take the BitTorrent tracker everlasting.nu offline and hand over the name and address of the owner. Additionally, Leaseweb was ordered to take down everlasting.nu, in case the site returns in the near future.
It looks like LeaseWeb, once the safe haven of many BitTorrent sites, is now seriously under threat. BREIN already used the decision in the everlasting.nu case to take Demonoid down and are now planning to do the same with other BitTorrent sites hosted at LeaseWeb. TorrentFreak got its hands on an email from LeaseWeb, in which they urge one of their customers to take their website offline.
LeaseWeb writes in the email: “In a recent case at the Amsterdam District Court, LeaseWeb was ordered to take down such sites. Although LeaseWeb has filed an appeal and will keep fighting for its client’s rights up to the highest court, LeaseWeb regrettable has no choice but to obey the court order and take down sites that list (bittorrent/edonkey) files.”
This is an alarming statement since there are lots of BitTorrent sites hosted at LeaseWeb. For now only SumoTorrent has confirmed that the .torrent files and the tracker will move to an ISP in Canada, but according to the email from LeaseWeb it is likely that more sites will follow.
Interestingly, the BitTorrent sites are allowed to keep their servers at LeaseWeb as long as they move the .torrent files and the trackers to another host. This means that the frontend of some sites might stay at LeaseWeb and that a link to a file that links to copyrighted content is fine.
To give an indication of the magnitude of the issue, here’s a selection of some of the bigger BitTorrent sites hosted at LeaseWeb and there are many more.
btjunkie.org, seedpeer.com, torrentleech.org, mybittorrent.com, btmon.com, sumotorrent.com, what.cd, waffles.fm, hdbits.org, bitenova.nl, torrentportal.com, monova.org and dozens of smaller BitTorrent sites.
Not all these websites received an email from LeaseWeb (yet). It seems that BREIN plans to focus on the sites that run a BitTorrent tracker, similar to Demonoid and Everlasting.nu, first.
It’s a tough spot for LeaseWeb to be in as a significant part of their income comes from these BitTorrent sites. However, they have to obey the court order, and are pretty serious about it as they write: “We hereby kindly request you to take down the website mentioned below within 24hours. Failure to do so will result in a direct ending of the contract and services provided by LeaseWeb.”
We asked LeaseWeb for a comment and they forwarded a copy of their legal statement regarding sites listing BitTorrent files in which they explain that there is no other option than to take down BitTorrent sites if they are asked to. However, they also state: “LeaseWeb has filed an appeal and will keep fighting for its client’s privacy and right of freedom of expression up to the highest court.”
Stay tuned for updates!
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this is looking poorly for p2p
Ohh REALLY? :P
Interesting. I’m not sure that I understand why BitTorrent trackers get away legally with what they do (unless they are big public ones that are used for lots of lawful content, like The Pirate Bay). Nobody uploads or downloads copyrighted content from the site itself, but the tracker coordinates such copying. That makes it exactly the same as what the original Napster did, as far as I can tell, so I would think they would be on the same legal grounds as Napster. In the U.S. at least, that was “contributory copyright infringement.”
In a security sense, the P2P community took a step backwards moving to torrents. We had decentralized networks, but went to BitTorrent, which is completely centralized. With that centralization came big improvements in efficiency, reliability, and ease of finding content. Now it seems like we need a more decentralized solution that still retains those advantages as much as possible.
There do exist almost completely anonymous filesharing networks, such as MUTE (http://mute-net.sf.net/), but again, efficiency and available content do suffer, so not a lot of people are using them. Other options might include hosting BitTorrent trackers over I2P (http://www.i2p.net/), so that nobody can track who is running them. This still is a sacrifice of some convenience and ease of use, so might turn many filesharers off.
I caution people against believing that Sweden is the magic bullet. “Move to Sweden” gets trotted out more than ever as the answer to all your tracker legality woes. Copyright laws can change, and Sweden could become more hostile towards BitTorrent. Beyond that, it’s simply a bad idea to move all trackers to one place. Industry groups are desperate enough to resort to extra-legal means (http://thepiratebay.org/blog/86) when the law is not on their side.
Not good…
You’re joking, right? Seems like last month has been victory after victory for the anti-piracy corporations.
Fuckin bullshit mother fuckers
Waffles.fm has already secured a Swedish server. The move is coming, soon, much sooner than you may expect, and will be entirely seamless.
[quote comment="215229"]Waffles.fm has already secured a Swedish server. The move is coming, soon, much sooner than you may expect, and will be entirely seamless.[/quote]
Wasn’t Oink based in Sweden? :X
[quote comment="215237"][quote comment="215229"]Waffles.fm has already secured a Swedish server. The move is coming, soon, much sooner than you may expect, and will be entirely seamless.[/quote]
Wasn’t Oink based in Sweden? :X[/quote]
if I remember correctly, OinK was in the UK and the Netherlands, but I’m not sure
Brein suck ass in the biggest way, not content with Demonoid they’re now going after everyone else!
No, OiNK was hosted by NForce in The Netherlands.
Waffles and What.cd will be moving to Sweden AFAIK.
Oink was hosted in the Netherlands.
OiNK was at Leaseweb, BTW. They were hosted by NForce who in turn rent server space from LeaseWeb.
ohhhh snaappp
[quote comment="215226"]You’re joking, right? Seems like last month has been victory after victory for the anti-piracy corporations.[/quote]
I’m guessing their cheques for the bribes cleared this month
Is it necessary to post the names of sites yet not affected by this action
within this story ?
As Oink said these people are incredibly inept ,so why provide them with fuel for the fire ?
Make them find us one by one ,
on there own time.
WoW,, thanks a lot Ernesto for handing over a list of torrent sites that are hosted by Leaseweb. WTF is this? Are you working with Brein or something? Anyway,,, let me tell you what someone inside Brein told Bogaa today:
Mininova will be sued by Brein in the next few weeks or months, mainly because they run the site as a corporate entity (mininova bv). I guess none of us are safe! BTW Ernesto your not helping anyone, take down that list and keep this shit private!
Peoples, clam down, they take 2 down
10 takes its PLACE! not even
thinking about it…..please!!
What The Fuck is wrong with you man, take down that list you stupid RIAA/MPAA dicksucking motherfucker
What happens if you cut off all of the hydra’s heads at once?
It’s news you retards, SO WE KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON behind the scenes. STFU now
it might be news but its still stupidity to post a link of all of us hosted on leaseweb
it might be news, but its still stupidity to post a list over all of us hosted on leaseweb
god, if i werent such a pussy i’d go set the brein headquarters on fire or something. motherfuckers.
oh my god.
People: Check this out from Keznews:
quote “the u.s. house of representatives has taken a step toward approving a hollywood-backed spending bill requiring universities to consider offering “alternatives” and “technology-based deterrents” to illegal peer-to-peer file sharing.” Unquote
how long will the people let corporate america run amok? this is plain wrong!
hollywood is truly evil. the mpaa & riaa are evil corporate entitys interested in continuing their cash flow only. people mean nothing to them, and human rights even less. the united states senate is a spineless, bought of charade of pretenders wearing halloween masks preying on their constiguents they claim to represent. watch and see they will try and make it a ‘criminal offense’ to share a file. hollywood has already betrayed public trust by not releasing material like mickey mouse into the public domain, under the ‘bono act’ to enrich our culture, to inspire new artists. corporate title holders under the constituition of the us are not supposed to keep profiting into the 4th generation of relatives from works. the public domain is a well for all.
The more pressure the bittorrent is facing, the closer it gets to grave. Maybe the time has finally come for BT to die, and handover the bandwidth to more secure and anonymous software, like MUTE.
Technology will never stop, and maybe, just maybe, it’s good for pirates to hear the death knell for Bram Cohen’s child.
got to atleast give them credit for try’n to fight
ScT and Scc too
This is INSANE! Why can’t the American people realize how much concern/pressure it is to keep the mumbo jumbo “singers” for their paychecks and put a freaking foot down!
BIG BUSINESS SUCKS DICK
FUCK YOU BUSH.
For you people that think Ernesto should take that list down:
You guys are fucking retarded.
If you whois those sites you can see they’re on leaseweb. You can whois any site to see if it’s on leaseweb. MAYBE THE RIAA DOESN’T KNOW OF THAT SUPER PRIVATE SECRET.
OMG WTF HAX!!
yes, but you can’t google torrent sites hosted on leaseweb (well you couldn’t, you can now ;) )
Thank you bush. They already know where every single torrent site in the world is hosted. Listing them here won’t hurt a fly.
FUCK
Stupid brein and Tim Kuik bloody retarded motherfucker.
Why aren’t brein sued FFS ?
We should do something, anybody got an idea how we can effectively keep brein off the illegal stuff, they fucking threatened shareconnectors admin, how long can we keep tolerating this company from hell?
That email is so fake. No reputable company puts out an official email with poor grammar of that caliber. Unless of course, the company is 50megs…
Brein didn’t take Demonoid down, Deimos did, to avoid having to go to court.
If that chickenshit hadn’t ran LeaseWeb probably wouldn’t be in this mess right now.
And now all the other cowards are going to bail as well, that’s going to set a nice prescendent of implied guilt.
None of these greedy assholes should have been running trackers in the first place, fuck ‘em.
[quote comment="215224"]Interesting. I’m not sure that I understand why BitTorrent trackers get away legally with what they do (unless they are big public ones that are used for lots of lawful content, like The Pirate Bay). Nobody uploads or downloads copyrighted content from the site itself, but the tracker coordinates such copying. That makes it exactly the same as what the original Napster did, as far as I can tell, so I would think they would be on the same legal grounds as Napster. In the U.S. at least, that was “contributory copyright infringement.”
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This is not america, shalalalala…
[quote comment="215281"]Is it necessary to post the names of sites yet not affected by this action
within this story ?[/quote]I was wondering the exact same thing. Sorry Ernesto, but this is a very strange, almost suspicious move.
I can’t wait for randpeer to finish the code for the new piratebay peer-sharing protocol, so these actions have nothing to stand on, and centralisation is entirely over. TPB are the only ones big enough to pull off a succesful start of a new and improved mass sharing system!
Maybe something Deimos’ crew, everlasting and TPB could work together on. Let’s all join forces in this;
Make Tim Uilskuiken, Brein, MPAA, RIAA, CRIA, IFPI bite the dust and hope that the best new DHT-like anonymous sharing medium kicks off a.s.a.p. !
[quote comment="215491"]Brein didn’t take Demonoid down, Deimos did, to avoid having to go to court.
If that chickenshit hadn’t ran LeaseWeb probably wouldn’t be in this mess right now.[/quote]Nonsense. You don’t know what you’re writing about. This has nothing to do with demonoid.
Oh and YOU are the chicken shit here. Obviously jealous too. Go run your own bittorrent tracker, then we’ll listen.
[quote comment="215410"]For you people that think Ernesto should take that list down:
You guys are fucking retarded.
If you whois those sites you can see they’re on leaseweb. You can whois any site to see if it’s on leaseweb.
MAYBE THE RIAA DOESN’T KNOW OF THAT SUPER PRIVATE SECRET.
OMG WTF HAX!![/quote]You might be surprised to find how stupid they actually are (read the mediadefender story!). So yeah, NOT mentioning websites may very well mean a life-saver for many sites!
Also, you’re the retard here: This is a reverse search made easy for those who need a starting point. The search you’re claiming is so easy is hard; leaseweb is hosting millions of websites, internationally, even.
Actually, there is a way to see what sites are hosted on Leaseweb. Netcraft has a database listing what sites are hosted at each individual IP, and all sites hosted on all IPs owned by an organisation
[quote comment="215282"]Mininova will be sued by Brein[/quote]BREIN can not sue anybody. They aren’t the law, they are just a (quite small) ‘Stichting’. So this is all lies, and all scaretactics by YOU, them, and ny news-media that joins this bandwagon.
I also think leaseweb are not doing their job properly: Hire a decent lawyer you fools. They have NOTHING to stand on. Dutch law permits ALL of what these sites are doing. Get the facts.
[quote comment="215558"]Actually, there is a way to see what sites are hosted on Leaseweb. Netcraft has a database listing what sites are hosted at each individual IP, and all sites hosted on all IPs owned by an organisation[/quote]
DUH, but you still need to DO the actual reverse search on millions of hosted sites and IP-addresses they resolve to. Trust me, that is A LOT harder. Ernesto is someone I don’t trust here. He goes along with the scare-mongering. Divide and conquer is their strategy.
leaseweb is ordered to take those sites down because they know which sites are on the servers, so there is no harm in that list
I suspect Ernesto likes “Shock!” “Horror!” headlines. Probably in need of an editor to act as a filter. If bt dies, what is this site for?
[quote comment="215353"]People: Check this out from Keznews:
quote “the u.s. house of representatives has taken a step toward approving a hollywood-backed spending bill requiring universities to consider offering “alternatives” and “technology-based deterrents” to illegal peer-to-peer file sharing.” Unquote
how long will the people let corporate america run amok? this is plain wrong!
hollywood is truly evil. the mpaa & riaa are evil corporate entitys interested in continuing their cash flow only. people mean nothing to them, and human rights even less. the united states senate is a spineless, bought of charade of pretenders wearing halloween masks preying on their constiguents they claim to represent. watch and see they will try and make it a ‘criminal offense’ to share a file. hollywood has already betrayed public trust by not releasing material like mickey mouse into the public domain, under the ‘bono act’ to enrich our culture, to inspire new artists. corporate title holders under the constituition of the us are not supposed to keep profiting into the 4th generation of relatives from works. the public domain is a well for all.[/quote]
[quote comment="215374"]This is INSANE! Why can’t the American people realize how much concern/pressure it is to keep the mumbo jumbo “singers” for their paychecks and put a freaking foot down!
BIG BUSINESS SUCKS DICK
FUCK YOU BUSH.[/quote]
lol@u guys. maybe you should read the article. this has absolutely nothing to do with the US, corporate America, or President Bush.
Hey, I’m all for illegal filesharing and whatnot, but for #26 saying it’s like a violation of human rights? WTF? You do realize what we are doing is against the law, right? You, me, no one has some god-given right to just freely leech and download music you did not pay for. Why is there such a sense of entitlement here?
Maybe a stupid question:
Is leaseweb ordered to take down all torrent sites or only sites which are specified (i.e. named) by either brein fetching a court order (or by the court itself)?
[quote comment="215641"]
Hey, I’m all for illegal filesharing and whatnot, but for #26 saying it’s like a violation of human rights? WTF? You do realize what we are doing is against the law, right? You, me, no one has some god-given right to just freely leech and download music you did not pay for. Why is there such a sense of entitlement here?[/quote]
steal (stl)
v. stole (stl), sto·len (stln), steal·ing, steals
v.tr.
1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
2. To get or effect surreptitiously or artfully: steal a kiss; stole the ball from an opponent.
3. To move, carry, or place surreptitiously.
4. To draw attention unexpectedly in (an entertainment), especially by being the outstanding performer: The magician’s assistant stole the show with her comic antics.
5. Baseball To advance safely to (another base) during the delivery of a pitch, without the aid of a base hit, walk, passed ball, or wild pitch.
Downloading isn’t stealing, unless you work for the RIAA. We don’t take away property, they still have it. We just copy.
I doubt in the times of Mozart & Co. anyone has been sued for playing their work on an own instrument.
Absurdity just started when the greedy RIAA came into play. They are the real thiefs, stealing money from the Artists AND the customers.
By now they’re at the same time terrorists, for terrorizing children, grandma’s, students, solo parent mothers and anyone else they can get a cent leeched of. Believe me they’d even terrorize your cat (dog?), if could pay them money.
Just my two centnotes :f
Can someone translate this?
http://212.136.47.12/nieuws/bericht.asp?nieuwsberichtid=73
Perhaps we should all email leaseweb to refuse anything brein demands and to tell them that with a decent lawyer, brein can’t do anything.
[quote comment="215557"]
lol@u guys. maybe you should read the article. this has absolutely nothing to do with the US, corporate America, or President Bush.
[/quote]
BREIN gets money to do this stuff from America (MPAA, RIAA, etc), America is behind it all…
I guess, mininova will be the next target. They are cutting off hydra’s heads faster than they can grow again.
What, if there are no safe places left where heads can regrow? If no one is willing to offer the soil for new heads, because he fears the constant pressure of mighty right holder organizations?
I’m not very pessimistic normally, but in the case of bittorrent I see a very bad future, simply because of the centralized structure.
We need new filesharing systems without any heads someone could cut off and with integrated search functionality. Things like KAD, DHT point in the right direction.
[quote comment="215553"][quote comment="215491"]Brein didn’t take Demonoid down, Deimos did, to avoid having to go to court.
If that chickenshit hadn’t ran LeaseWeb probably wouldn’t be in this mess right now.[/quote]Nonsense. You don’t know what you’re writing about. This has nothing to do with demonoid.
Oh and YOU are the chicken shit here. Obviously jealous too. Go run your own bittorrent tracker, then we’ll listen.[/quote]
Actually I have been running my own open bittorrent tracker for years now. Somehow I doubt you’re going to listen anyway.
This has everything to do chickenshit greedy commercial filesharing sites who are only interested in pocketing the money, and can’t be bothered to stand up for themselves when they are accused of wrongdoing while in fact they are not breaking any laws. They simply run off leaving the providers to fend for themselves.
But please don’t let me stop you from putting your foot in your mouth again, it’s amusing.
[quote comment="215632"]leaseweb is ordered to take those sites down because they know which sites are on the servers[/quote]Actually no, they don’t. They have way too many servers and sites to monitor any and all activity on them. And they’re not ordered to take down all sites linking to torrent files because that is not at all forbidden by law in The Netherlands.
Also, by mentioning these webites, like Ernesto does here, he’s already making decisions about them that should be made by a court of law. Who says what they’re doing is illegal? Who made Ernesto the judge of that?
[quote comment="215815"][quote comment="215557"]
lol@u guys. maybe you should read the article. this has absolutely nothing to do with the US, corporate America, or President Bush.
[/quote]
BREIN gets money to do this stuff from America (MPAA, RIAA, etc), America is behind it all…[/quote]
I did not write that. Learn how to properly quote.
FUCKING COCKSUCKERS=MPAA,RIAA.:(:(
Perhaps somebody already made this point (I didn’t read all the posts) but Bittorrent Trackers aren’t breaking the law. Just as Google links to illegal torrent files perhaps so do they, but they also link to legal files as well. Users are responsible for what they post and if they break the law they should be held responsible, not the Tracker. Look at it this way, you could stab somebody with a knife and that would be illegal, but you can also use it for legitmate activities. You can’t make knives illegal outright just because some people use them maliciously. These issues are very irritating because it’s apparent that a majority of people miss the real issue.
Does anybody knows a torrent site with copyright policy (dmca removal request)forced to close by anyone?
I dont,and i am the owner of such a site.I ma receiveng evertyday mails for copyright violations i just delete the torrent and its ok.
They even thank me for the speed of their request ;) .
[quote comment="215557"]You might be surprised to find how stupid they actually are (read the mediadefender story!). So yeah, NOT mentioning websites may very well mean a life-saver for many sites!
Also, you’re the retard here: This is a reverse search made easy for those who need a starting point. The search you’re claiming is so easy is hard; leaseweb is hosting millions of websites, internationally, even.[/quote]
Actually, you’re the retard.
If you really think the RIAA doesn’t know of your torrent tracker, you’re wrong. Whois isn’t to be used to find sites using leaseweb, it’s used to find IF sites you already know about are using leaseweb. This argument is about as pointless as using f** or even e**** to “hide” torrent tracker urls. Anti-piracy organizations know about the sites, then they can just whois and put pressure on the hosting provider. It’s as easy as googling for a torrent site list or viewing one on many other private trackers, then whois that list. They don’t view all sites on leaseweb and then check to see if they’re torrent sites.
Well,
regarding the “url-diskussion”. When the MD emails leaked I scanned them for trackers/site mentioned. Some of the private sites I’m with weren’t on there radar atm, judging from the mails. So I personally think that smaller/low profile trackers might benefit from not being mentioned in an article like this. But I’m shure that BREIN, RIAA, MD et al. are aware of the fact that f.e. seedpeer is hosted by Leaseweb. So I wouldn’t have mentioned any (smaller) private sites in this article, but that decission is not up to me.
As far as I’m aware (and I’m very close to some of the sites mentioned) Leaseweb are handing over details without the inconvenience of BREIN having to even take them to court. LeaseWeb are only in it for the money, they’ve had a good run and they’re not going to fight anything from what I have seen with my own eyes.
As far as listing these sites is concerned, I hardly think Ernesto is telling anyone anything they don’t already know.
Running to a so-called Swedish “safe haven” such as PRQ is no answer, as all these sites are doing is aligning themselves with the biggest and most complacent targets on the internet, TPB.
Plenty of alternative locations out there, and much more sensible to disperse sites instead of leaving them in one convenient place such as the Netherlands.
Oh please. The p2p side exaggerates just as much as the industry. Kids everywhere.
If Kazaa died, then there was emule/ed2k, soulseek, etc.
If ed2k died - then we had torrents, usenet, irc still. If those die, there’s other Darknets, Mute / updated Kademlia only ed2k, DHT, etc, etc, etc bla bla.
All you will need is not an internet page eventually but you’ll simply have a google-ish search bar and field in every p2p client, similiar to what emule et al have / has and you type it in, it spits it out, you download it and move on.
There’s always going to be feeders, uploaders and submitters, leechers and hitnrunners, and fakers and feds.
Thinking massive takedowns matter is stupid, thinking the world is going to end either for movie sales or p2p because either exist is also stupid.
Clearly people want to be able to do something: so they WILL. Period. Love will find a way. Er, I meant greed. On the p2p side; on the industry side. Whichever’s more cunning gets more faster. Tadahh!
“LeaseWeb has filed an appeal and will keep fighting for its client’s privacy and right of freedom of expression up to the highest court.”
Just another reason to prove that what world trade considers as the “criminals” are much more our friends than say.. companies like AT&T allowing the government to illegally take it’s data.
Fuck all this shit. This is becoming a much bigger issue than just copyright and it’s about fucking time.
Either way, my good friend at randpeer.com is finishing his first code-libraries as we speak, so I’m not worried. They’re digging their own graves by pushing us peers and seeds towards total anonimity, which is exactly what they’re doing.
[quote comment="216076"]Some of the private sites I’m with weren’t on their radar atm, judging from the mails. So I personally think that smaller/low profile trackers might benefit from not being mentioned in an article like this. But I’m shure that BREIN, RIAA, MD et al. are aware of the fact that f.e. seedpeer is hosted by Leaseweb.[/quote]No, they’re not. And I’m from (and in) The NL here. The BREIN people are really rather stupid, and my guess is CRIA and RIAA people are too. Also, having seen the “This Film Is Not Yet Rated” DVD plus extras I can easily conclude they’re total idiots when it comes to internet research.
Mentioning websites in a boost article for their victories is the best you could EVER do if you want those sites to be bothered as well. Every sane human with logic and brains can grasp that. Of course, people calling themselves ‘bush’ and ‘Run Forrest run’ will not be among those. They’re the idiots here. Probably hired by MediaDefender people. I’m not reading their posts, it’s pretty useless to ‘discuss’ anything with those retarded demonoid haters. Still pissed off you couldn’t get to Deimos, are you? Dumb fools.
Put yourselves in my shoes as a moviemaker and you wouldn’t really want your works that have been worked on stolen and then distributed for free.
Would you?
Stealing is stealing anyways you look at it consider yourself an inventor music or movies and the funds and time invested in the making of the movies.
Base reality says that most businesses are commercial and you wouldn’t really want your business profits to be siphoned off by a bunch of bittorrent trackers.
Its about time that the governments decided that p2p should be limited to legal dloads and go for the head which would be Bittorrent edonkey etc heads that are raking in the millions by them throttling the lines which really affect the actual purpose of the net.
Here the isps are accused of throttling the lines but what are the p2p’s actually doing? The lines are so full of illegal downloads and them accusing the isps of throttling lines is just hogwash.
When you have a slow isp you know whom to blame when you have the need to get urgent and emergency stuff done.
Glad I moved my tracker last month..
Moving from decentralised to centralised P2P increased usability but sacrificed security.
However, I don’t think all torrent trackers in world could ever be shut down.
The threat is to private trackers in particular countries or regions.
What is needed is users to switch to anonymous BT type clients like dargens.
So that the tracker stays public and more likely to be used for non-infringing uses but sharing is private.
See http://www.dargens.com
The problem is groups like BREIN can easily enough get hold of tracker details just by browsing through torrent search engines, and then doing lookups on each torrent address that is new to them, if it’s inside the area they function in they can then apply their muscle as they’ve been doing. Even some completely private trackers are occasionally found this way because some dweeb added that tracker to a public torrent.
A post for the fools that think “hydra lolz, noob riaa”
Where will the hydra spawn now?
The whole hydra thing is a load of shit, like when oink went down, well, answer was just some guys that wanted to be the same l33t haxx that the OiNK founder was. Anyway: There is no real good hydra because running to Sweden is not a hydra, its not even anything near a hydra, it is more like a hydra with down syndrome.
Will you Toorentfreak Reporters stop naming Sites hosted at Leaseweb or other Sites !!?.
WTF is going on with sites like this here naming Sites one after another while the Feds only wait for unintelligent reports like this ?
Because of YOU our Sites will die one after another.
Just STFU and stay quiet and mostly remove the Sites List of your dammit
Reports and let us stay secure.
[quote comment="216337"]
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Of course, people calling themselves ‘bush’ and ‘Run Forrest run’ will not be among those. They’re the idiots here. Probably hired by MediaDefender people. I’m not reading their posts, it’s pretty useless to ‘discuss’ anything with those retarded demonoid haters. Still pissed off you couldn’t get to Deimos, are you? Dumb fools.[/quote]
Yeah yeah, everybody is an idiot/retard/fool but you. What a convenient way to avoid all discussion.
Greedy lying chickenshits like deimos who can’t be bothered to stand up for themselves have no place in the filesharing community, no matter how much you claim that everybody who doesn’t share your opinion is hired by MediaDefender.
Had he properly defended himself like the admin of ShareConnector did, then Brein would not have had the opportunity to do what they are doing now. Instead he plainly lied about hardware trouble and ran with his tail between his legs.
And now we can all see how well that tactic worked out for him and the provider he left to fend for themselves. Lucky for him there are still some blind demoniod lovers like yourself to defend his cowardly and deceptive behavior.
[quote comment="216422"]Put yourselves in my shoes as a moviemaker and you wouldn’t really want your works that have been worked on stolen and then distributed for free.
Would you?[/quote]I recommend you to see the ‘This Movie Is Not Yet Rated’ DVD, especially the extras. It isn’t stealing anymore. It might have been in the past, but today it’s a totally different ballgame.
There are WAY more arguments in favor of FREE sharing than you are aware of, obviously. I get tired of people like you, who seem unable to do their research properly, and always have the same old yadayada repetitive arguments. The demonoid website is simple evolution, a development that, even when disregarding the shared content, has so much more value than, say, any new TV-channel or new TV-show or Hollywood writer. The moment people in The Industry start to really understand that will be an important day in the history of Media and Entertainment. Unfortunately, by actions as mentioned in the article written above, this day will only be postponed.
It is much better to let these things go with the flow, to give the people what they so clearly and obviously want. Find out why people share, what they share, where they share it, and which formats are preferred and how much they’re willing to pay for it. Instead, what they do is play stupid as long as possible. Drain consumers for every penny they can get from them. Pretend they can win at this game. They never will. The Scene is way too big now, and the technology has surpassed their standards and morals.
So you’re the industry, SONY, AOL etc. and you offer what? DVD/CD-burners, harddisk recorders, burnable media, fiber to the home internet-speeds and you expect consumers NOT to find uses for them? What are you nuts?
I’m glad I no longer have a seed box with leaseweb while they’re being forced to shut sites down, how long before they start going after the uploaders that have servers at leaseweb?
whatever: Leaseweb is a pain in the ass… no support, slow connections, old hardware for horrible prices. That ship sinks anyway, move you boxes from theses moneymakers, it is not worth it…
Ok I will say this one last time…
Global License…Global License…
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instead of criminalizing peer-to-peer users, to make peer-to-peer exchanges legal, in exchange for a fee on broadband Internet subscriptions, which would go to fund the artists and authors. This is known as the “global license” or “legal license”.
Problem Solved!
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instead of criminalizing peer-to-peer users, to make peer-to-peer exchanges legal, in exchange for a fee on broadband Internet subscriptions, which would go to fund the artists and authors. This is known as the “global license” or “legal license”.
Problem Solved!
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Those funds have never gone to authors and artists before, why should this time be any different?
Just another cash cow for the M.A.F.I.A.A.
Great post by MeOW
Keep dreaming Global License, it will never happen
You idiots are too funny. You really thought no one would start cracking down on this? lol.
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Most of the big torrent sites are hosted in (NL) thats why the authorities are focused there.
Why can’t all the big trackers just move to a different site hosting? Why use LEASEWEBS. Doesn’t come to your mind that once a torrent tracker that was on leaseweb went down dont you think your site might go as well.
JUST FUCKING MOVE ALREADY BEFORE BITTORRENT IS DEAD!
FOR GOOD BECAUSE OF THE SELFISH FUCKING GOV ANTI PIRACY COMPANYS. THAT CREATED LEGAL P2p LIKE FUCKING ITUNES AND NAPSTER. WHY ARE THOSE LEGAL I DON”T GET THIS FUCKING THING!!
Why turn this country into a communizum country i thought we tried to avoid that?
Why can’t all the big trackers just move to a different site hosting? Why use LEASEWEBS. Doesn’t come to your mind that once a torrent tracker that was on leaseweb went down don’t you think your site might go as well.
JUST FUCKING MOVE ALREADY BEFORE BITTORRENT IS DEAD!
FOR GOOD BECAUSE OF THE SELFISH FUCKING GOV ANTI PIRACY COMPANY’S. THAT CREATED LEGAL P2p LIKE FUCKING ITUNES AND NAPSTER. WHY ARE THOSE LEGAL I DON”T GET THIS FUCKING THING!!
Why turn this country into a communizum country i thought we tried to avoid that?
I was a user at OiNK from the very beginning. I had worked for years to keep my ratio up. I had uploaded over 500GB of data. When OiNK went down, I was devastated. Unfortunately, I didn’t socialize a lot on the forums, so now I don’t know how to get an invite to waffles.fm.
Anyone have a suggestion?
The thing to remember people is this:
“Its peer-to-peer stupid” - the anti-p2p agencies have’nt a chance, so don’t worry, life will go on as always.
You’re days are numbered you little fucking thieves.
If u interesting in downloading by torrent client and u looking for good invite from good web site go through this link http://tracker-invites.org/index.php?referredby=2546 and make registry and have invite and trade invite also good luck
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[quote comment="216792"]
Greedy lying chickenshits like deimos who can’t be bothered to stand up for themselves have no place in the filesharing community, no matter how much you claim that everybody who doesn’t share your opinion is hired by MediaDefender.
Had he properly defended himself like the admin of ShareConnector did, then Brein would not have had the opportunity to do what they are doing now. Instead he plainly lied about hardware trouble and ran with his tail between his legs.
And now we can all see how well that tactic worked out for him and the provider he left to fend for themselves. Lucky for him there are still some blind demoniod lovers like yourself to defend his cowardly and deceptive behavior.[/quote]
Well said. You know who Deimos is? The New Loki. The sooner we root out all the thieves, cowards and liars who say they’re on our side, the better off the whole P2P scene will be.
The real leaders are working behind the scenes and are getting things done. They aren’t asking for legal fund donations or waving the white flag when a single letter from a BS lobby group reaches their box.
They’re quietly coding and encoding and helping the scene not exploiting it to make a name for themselves.
If you’re like me and you remember downloading games and shit off of BBS’s (look it up)with 300 baud dial-up modems, you know that Pandora’s box was opened decades ago. BREIN or any of the **AA’s can’t close it. Never. We evolve. They do not. They refuse to update their revenue streams or change their fundamentally flawed profit models. They’ve had more than enough time to update their thinking. They refuse to. So we fixed it.
The solution and cure for price-gouging, price-fixing, and price-collusion is - at its core, the simplest concept, a noble concept; its a common decency we call sharing.
You’ll never be able to stop people from sharing. It’s like declaring war on terrorism or war on drugs. You might as well just declare war on air. It makes about as much sense.
The Copyright Police don’t like file-sharing because it’s socialist. It reminds them of the evil Communists they’ve heard about in school (but probably Rocky IV).
The revolution was fought and we won. We eliminated the middle-men. The greatest amount of good for the greatest number of people. It’s not stealing if you’re redistributing wealth. If the big labels and studios lose money - GOOD. They raped us because they COULD for as long as they could. They’d rather sue you then lower a ticket price or a DVD price.
But for every big label and studio that are losing money hand over fist because they refuse to evolve, there’s all kinds of indie labels and small art-house movies and videos that achieve billions in dollars of advertising and distribution that they could have never otherwise achieved because their work was shared all across the globe.
That’s called levelling the playing field and that’s not a crime. That’s what’s known as JUST.
all the anti RIAA, MPA, IFPI, CRIA talk doesn’t mean anything as long as people still want to buy Led Zepplin and Madonna and Britney Spears and Metallic and so on ….
People like you and me have taken this to the level of civil disobediance. But until the Musicans and Filmmakers strike out against labels/studios for ripping them off on the other side of the coin, I doubt if this will go anywhere.
[quote comment="215563"][quote comment="215558"]Actually, there is a way to see what sites are hosted on Leaseweb. Netcraft has a database listing what sites are hosted at each individual IP, and all sites hosted on all IPs owned by an organisation[/quote]
DUH, but you still need to DO the actual reverse search on millions of hosted sites and IP-addresses they resolve to. Trust me, that is A LOT harder. Ernesto is someone I don’t trust here. He goes along with the scare-mongering. Divide and conquer is their strategy.[/quote]
What are you on about? It takes no more than a few clicks and a couple of minutes on netcraft.com
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Sweden isnt really a safe place to move your servers to.
More and more laws start popping up that will make filesharing harder, and I recon there wont be any (big) torrenttracker in Sweden in about 2 years.
I would personally recommend cybernations (I think they’re called). These are small countries (like Sealand) and they usualy earn all their cash from hosting rather illegal content. No one can stop them from doing this because they are their own country and no other countries laws can apply to them. This is the perfect host, but it comes at a price.
Some of the scene servers (distribution servers) has been moved to cybernations after the raids that took place some years back.
yeah baby! march 28th and still kickin’! Bring it on BRIEN or RIAA
O MY GOD. SO MANY PEOPLE ARE FUCKING RETARDED THESE DAYS. DO YOU THINK THE RIAA AND MPAA DON’T KNOW WHERE THOSE SITES ARE LOCATED. HOLY FUCK GROW A BRAIN. FUCKING ASTONISHING HOW STUPID PEOPLE ARE NOW A DAYS. PEOPLE LIKE YOU SHOULDN’T EVEN BE ALLOWED ACCESS TO A FUCKING COMPUTER.
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