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Lessig has also not the slightest clue about campaigning and believes in corruption. So better leave advocacy to the professionals.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fCyaF-Umod0

Ben, what you gonna do you brainy bro? :-D

no brother is gonna attempt to repeat your intelligent but convoluted dissertation articulation of nomenclature in media “hey girl listen up! Ben says pirate per se does not mean pirate de jure because it is a faux nome parody par excellence! i am member of the priate party but i am not a software prirate but i AM a pirate a romatic revolutionary figure of fiction! *sob*”

Ben wake up dude you gonna be great one day and i hope in time to lend an assist to the cause here in hand

Mr. Norton should’ve paid more attention in school. In criticizing the party’s name, Lessig is not judging the “book” (i.e. the party’s platform) by its “cover” (i.e. its name). He’s simply pointing out that the name will hurt them. Stating that says nothing about the worth of the party’s platform.

Also from the article: “It’s also unusual that the man that fought Hollywood’s increase of copyright, should find fault with a party that only seeks to represent the general public”.

Mr. Norton seems to be under the impression that if one agrees with one aspect of a political party one must agree with all aspects of it and never criticize it. I guess in addition to the class that discussed proverbs, he missed the one that talked about logical fallacies too.

I have a question for him though: if you really believe in what your party stands for and wants to achieve then do you really think it makes sense to lob baseless criticisms at one of the most experienced and most respected copyright analysts in the country just because he criticized your party’s *name*? Based on that, I’m tempted to go further than Lessig and wonder whether it’s not only the name that’s problematic. Even if the contents of the book are okay, there definitely seems to be some issues with its author.

Ever since then, he’s just a Elvis-like Super-imposed video. Using green-screen technology, he appears every 4 or 8 years on current-events programming.

The tell-tale sign is that repeats the same stuff over and over. The whole conspiracy is carefully Republican controlled. They march him out just enough to split the democrats’ votes, but not enough to actually win — lest the public learn that he’s not alive.

Naturally, the Pirate Party of the US disagrees. “As a professor, he should know better than to advocate judging a book by it’s cover” says Andrew Norton, head of the US Pirate Party.[/quote]

Andrew, stop downloading movies and learn to read. Lessig wasn’t judging the book, he was judging the cover.

As someone asked “Could someone please explain the difference between an illegitimate pirate and a legit one?”

A bad pirate is like a thief. A good pirate is like Robbin Hood.

Downloading isn’t stealing.

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There is none.

It’s even so, that my country is once liberated from the spanish by pirates.

It’s like the word terrorist.

One’s terrorist, is someone else his freedom fighter.

There has never been a Nigga Party, has there? So maybe Lessing has a point or maybe he hasn’t.

LMFAO, the P2P Party

The Referundum, ID cards.

Welcome to the police state, you’ll be following us soon enuff…

I’m not saying I disagree with their political views. But marketing is a necessary component of the political process, for better or worse. The “pirate party” will get absolutely nowhere as long as they keep that title.

The citizens of the USA don’t elect the president anyway. Voting is nothing more than a sham to make people feel like they have some control over the outcome of the election. They don’t. The real choice is made by the Electoral College, who are free to completely disregard the “popular” vote and elect whomever they please.

The whole system is tightly controlled to make sure that the only ones who ever get elected are those who will maintain the status quo. Nobody who will rock the boat in any meaningful way will ever see a day in office.

Our government is bought and paid for by the corporations.

Maybe they should come up with something friendly like, “The Fair Share Party” or even “The Sex Party.”

At least the last one would get people to take a second look at it. :P

The average american is not an idiot. I dont know where you come from but i am tired of people bashing the U.S. Every country is corrupt and has problems. When all is said and done though, it is a great place to live. To all you U.S. haters, keep it up and we will come to your country and destroy it. Right after we smoke your pot and rape your women of course.

Also, it’s worth pointing out, that the Pirate Party isn’t just about copyright reform, it’s about all sorts of intellectual property reform, AND personal privacy. Oh, and there isn’t just a US aprty, there’s some 30 Pirate Parties around the world.

Because it´s as booring as hell, and nobody would think twice about skipping to the next page, article ad, or whatever?

[quote comment="306852"]
Lessig has a point that by using the
word Pirate in their name, they are
making themselves too easy a target
for the MAFIAA and those who have
bought the industry koolaid.[/quote]

And they make themselfs such an easy target it gets obvious to everyone what kind of a cheapshot the MAFIAA is taking. And therefore it practically nullifies that kind of attack.

No… perhaps sloppy marketing. Not sloppy politics. Since politics must have with the polices of the party to do… right?

And I´m not so sure the word pirate is that taboo either.

I´m not even sure it´s bad marketing when you think about it. A noticeable name is quite important. And some of the values stored in the word pirate aren´t all that bad either. Especielly if you are trying to make an impact on the younger generation.

Lessig has a point that by using the
word Pirate in their name, they are
making themselves too easy a target
for the MAFIAA and those who have
bought the industry koolaid.

He’s not bashing the party, nor saying things because of what he stands to gain. He’s making a legitimate statement that is actually worth listening to.

As someone said, it is sloppy politics to have a taboo word as your party name.

Give me an example of a more “serious” name that would actually make an average joe, react, stop and actually notice the party at all? Without a huuughe marketing campaign that is.

“Pirate” is a head turner, eye stopper, an attention grabbing word. Try to accomplish something similar with a name like “information freedom party” or suchlike.

Playing along with the name calling is just another strategy to nullify it. Trying to avoid it and oppose it like Lessig and Stallman does is another, in my opinion, less fruitful, strategy.

Yarrr!

It is in many ways the best compromise. Right now, that would mean that anything created upto and including 1979 would be out of copyright. Most things prior to 1994 would also be out.

Have any of those who like him actually read any of his books?

They’re full of such juicy morsels of copyright-mongering, such as

“Control, as I have argued, is not necessarily bad. Copyright is a critical part of the process of creativity; a great deal of creativity would not exist without the protections of the law. Without the law, the incentives to produce creative work would be vastly reduced. Large-budget films could not be produced; many books would not get written. Copyright is therefore an integral and crucial part of the creative process. And as it has expanded, it has expanded the opportunities for creativity.”
(Lessig, The Future of Ideas, pp. 107-08, 0375726446)

Or:

“A free culture is not a culture without property; it is not
a culture in which artists don’t get paid. A culture without property, or
in which creators can’t get paid, is anarchy, not freedom. Anarchy is not
what I advance here.

Instead, the free culture that I defend in this book is a balance between anarchy and control. A free culture, like a free market, is filled with property. It is filled with rules of property and contract that get enforced by the state.”
(Lessig, Free Culture, xvi, 1594200068).

Lessig is no friend of the anti-copyright movement, just another apologist reformist, at best.

We do have other parties (Libertarian Party, Socialist Party, Green Party, Reform Party)… but the two main parties get so much news coverage and special treatment, that the other ones don’t stand a chance. People always say voting for a 3rd party is like “throwing your vote away” because it seems like only Democrats and Republicans ever get elected. They have the largest memberships and everyone is so loyal to them.

I always vote for 3rd party candidates that I like, but they never win elections.

The Corporate States of America has been stealing away the wealth of indigenous people all over the world for ages!

We do have other parties (Libertarian Party, Socialist Party, Green Party, Reform Party)… but the two main parties get so much news coverage and special treatment, that the other ones don’t stand a chance. People always say voting for a 3rd party is like “throwing your vote away” because it seems like only Democrats and Republicans ever get elected. They have the largest memberships and everyone is so loyal to them.

I always vote for 3rd party candidates that I like, but they never win elections.