Comments on: MediaDefender Emails Disprove MPAA Claims

By: William

William — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:02:37 +0000

Not to mention the fact that if you delete the decoy files, your tracker will get DDOSed, even if your tracker is for legitimate files only.

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[...] mediefÃ¶retag nÃ¤r TPB anmÃ¤lde dem fÃ¶r att ha saboterat deras infrastruktur efter lÃ¤ckan hos MediaDefender i hÃ¶stas. Det var dessutom han som fÃ¶rsÃ¤krade chefsjustitieombudsmannen om att razzian hade [...]

By: Frank A

Frank A — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:46:29 +0000

Class action suits should be organized all over the World on multiple grounds.

By: Frank Andrite

Frank Andrite — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:40:22 +0000

[quote comment="203344"]“which basically means that they pollute BitTorrent sites with fake files to make the real files harder to find.”

that’s illegal?[/quote]

Yes, it’s called cyber crime, and it’s an invasion on the rights and paid activity of untold millions of people.

By: Frank Andrite

Frank Andrite — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:29:50 +0000

[quote comment="202952"]Never thought that doing something a corporation doesn’t approve of gives them the right to break the law… repeatedly, consistently, and irrevocably[/quote]

Sums it up well

By: GCC2

GCC2 — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:07:58 +0000

MPAA cooking up some MPAA soup…

Oh, there in such hot water now. Between this email leak and the issue explained in the article, “MPAA to sue MPAA? Wait, what!?” they mustn’t feel too good right now.
Emails leaked between MPAA and MediaDefender have been found on ma…

By: IT Tech

IT Tech — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:28:18 +0000

Have a look at Mediadefender http://mediadefender-defenders.com/

“2007-11-09 11:00 Had a HD crash, new disks are orderd and hopefully will arrive soon!

2007-11-09 14:00 The disks will arrive monday (2007-11-12), so the webserver will be down until then =(
Mail and databases are still up and running. ”

They have just one server? When I was network admin I had mirrored servers. They dont have RAID hard disk arrays to stop data loss if one drive crashes? Tape backups and spare hardware on the shelf?

Amateurs or liars they are.

They have incriminating data files they wish to claim “lost”?

Chosse one from above that seems most likely.

By: DBlack2

DBlack2 — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:19:12 +0000

Back to the congress representing us analogy. Isn’t suing the MPAA for something that the people it represents did Kind of like suing congress because a random person (someone they represent) nicked your car?

I think that was the original point trying to be made, not that congress doesn’t represent us.

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By: Epoc

Epoc — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:03:38 +0000

Fortunately, Swedish law is mostly built around justice, not lawyer wars or company interests. This is why the filed complaints are against companies with a swedish presence and thus must abide by swedish law. If you commit a crime, you will be held responsible even if the evidence aginst you was obtained illegally by another criminal – why should you go free if you broke the law? Also, the content was confirmed by MD wasn’t it? So if it isn’t forged it’s as good evidence as the screen dumps the anti piracy organisation used as evidence against a “pirate” recently…

By: Joe Blow

Joe Blow — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:20:24 +0000

Unfortunately, stolen data is not likely to be accepted as evidence in any court of law. Also, emails are plain text that can be easily modified and/or forged entirely. I’m not saying that’s what happened here, but all they need is plausible deniability. To be honest they don’t even need that.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:48:46 +0000

[quote comment="203488"]Two wrongs just don’t make a right.[/quote]

3 lefts do though.

By: datdood

datdood — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:12:34 +0000

Man this is just like a case where a crack dealer goes to the police because some crackhead owes him money. Its just stupid shit.

By: Informed is 100% Correct

Informed is 100% Correct — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:47:37 +0000

The MPAA (US Based and focussed) and the MPA (US Based, but Internationally focussed) are Trade Associations, which, although the 6 major Hollywood studios make up the membership, are wholly separate legal entities from those studios. Each entity, trade association and studios, are entitled to act independently to pursue means of anti-piracy, HOWEVER one major exception is that Trade Associations are not allowed by US law to engage in “interdictions” the very kind of services MD sells. Sure every Hollywood studio and most major record labels (RIAA members) contract with firms, including MD, to conduct interdictions, but the trade associations as separate entities, and by their legal nature are strictly prohibited to do likewise by US anti-trust law.

You might see them as one monolith or as a cartel perhaps, but US law sees them differently. I cannot comment on Swedish Law. Nonetheless, what is the real penalty that Universal and the like could face if found in violation of Swedish Law. If it’s just a fine and some embarrassment, perhaps that was part of the risk assessment made by these ‘evil’ capitalists. So, ultimately they see the result as just the cost of doing business.

By the way, Capitalism is about opportunity. Power is about ego. Abuse is abuse. And Idealism has nothing to do with Reality. Thank God everyone is entitled to an opinion…and I’ll take capitalism anytime.

By: Dekut.com

Dekut.com — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:34:10 +0000

MediaDefender Emails Disprove MPAA Claims…

Last Month The Pirate Bay filed complaints against some of the key players in the entertainment industry for corrupting and sabotaging their BitTorrent tracker. The MPAA has now responded to these claims and deny that they worked with MediaDefender….

By: none

none — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:09:06 +0000

Two wrongs just don’t make a right.

By: Zoness

Zoness — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:36:56 +0000

Well it’s important that we keep an eye on this story, we need to get the whole p2p community involved eventually. The Pirate Bay can’t carry all of the weight!

By: Quinn DuPont

Quinn DuPont — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:36:00 +0000

There is actually a lot going on here, much more than first meets the eye. It isn’t just that the MD were engaging in immoral and illegal behaviour, they are functioning within a capitalist logic, and as such not doing anything unusual or unprecedented. The problem with the analysis so far of the MD leak is that it operates within the capitalist logic, and thus explaining the existence of an MD is difficult and problematic. Capitalism is about power, and MD was merely exerting this. If anyone is interested I am currently working on a full interrogation of the leaked texts and a subsequent analysis, implicitly providing a critique of capitalism. It isn’t finished yet, but come December you may want to check out http://iqdupont.com/essays/ .

By: Angelina Mina

Angelina Mina — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:13:54 +0000

Cheers Torrentfreak, whatever is going on is going on smooth like Chivas

Angelina Mina
http://www.happy-funtime.blogspot.com

By: Belligerent Engine

Belligerent Engine — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:31:26 +0000

[quote comment="203264"]whats are the laws for evidence in sweden? iirc in america leaked emails can’t be used as evidence because their easily faked. Would they be able to get copies from media defender during discovery or something[/quote]
In Sweden, anything that has come up can be used as evidence outside some very particular circumstances where it cannot. This is called “free evidence gathering”.

If the accused parties wish to argue that the e-mails aren’t genuine, then can certainly do so in court. This sort of argumentation doesn’t have a good history however, considering the “evidence machine” case and all.

(Oh, and the very particular circumstances I mentioned above? Those basically can’t ever apply to you unless you’re a cop, a doctor or a lawyer. The latter two have x-to-client privilege, and the first is an official of the state.)

By: %

Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:29:28 +0000

[quote]First of all, you ARE represented by congress. You pick them, they represent you.[/quote]

No. You pick them, they represent their corporate buddies.

By: Ink

Ink — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:58:03 +0000

They will try to twist it so that they can claim they didn’t know what exactly md was doing and that they certainly were not aware illegal actions were taken.
After all they really just hired another company to do their dirty work… my guess would be they did it for this exact reason – plausible deniability ftw. No big surprise actually.

By: user

user — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:17:59 +0000

“which basically means that they pollute BitTorrent sites with fake files to make the real files harder to find.”

that’s illegal?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:53:15 +0000

no one is saying that this insignificant battle will stop the mpaa or riaa. I will say this a recefnt study out of canada shows tha file sharing not the kind you pay for actualy helps the studios. It’s like radio when you used to stick your tape in and record a song. Stop one site anoter one will come up. If your in the know torrents is a second tier deal anyway. Just go straight to the source to get what you want because this has been around since before the internet.

By: judge

judge — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:42:19 +0000

It’s just pointless to sue any of the media corporations. All they have to do is to buy a favorable court decision.

Everything has a price. Everything.

And they know it.

By: PB won't win

PB won't win — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:27:08 +0000

Mpaa: The emails were faked, there are no record of any emails on either of the mpaa or MediaDefender’s database.

Pb Loses.

Mpaa: The emails were the workings of one or two people in the company and does not represent the visions of the MPAA as a whole. The individuals have been disciplined accordingly.

Pb loses.

Or, Mpa, files formal apology, pays whatever insignificant fine is due, and keeps doing what they have been doing all along.

Don’t think for a second that this will shut down the MPAA for good, and don’t think that the heads of the MPAA will be raped in a prison shower because of these events.

Don’t be so stupid.

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By: Informed

Informed — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:59:39 +0000

Unfortunately this story is completely wrong. To say they have proof that MPAA lied because there are emails from Universal Studios to MediaDefender is just plain ignorant. Universal Studios and The MPAA are seperate entities. The MPAA is only a trade organization just as the RIAA is. While both the MPAA and RIAA do act on behalf of some if not all of their member studios, each individual member studio is also free to and almost always will seek additional protection for their own titles. I know first hand that the MPAA used a diferent vendor for all of their copyright enforcement contracts. MPAA and RIAA used the same vendor for their litigation programs.

By: Lyph3

Lyph3 — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:49:37 +0000

“How is someone represented by the MPAA? Isn’t that like being represented by Congress?”

First of all, you ARE represented by congress. You pick them, they represent you.

Second, the MPAA is NOT a government agency or division. They are a private organization that WANTS people to think they’re part of the Government. That’s why they have those FBI Rip-Off windbreakers with “MPAA” on the back.

By: Trent was one of us ...

Trent was one of us ... — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:10:42 +0000

@#15 David … see the “he said” link.

“TorrentFreak: What’s the legal status of the leaked emails, can they be used in the lawsuit as evidence?

Brokep: Yes. We have something called “fri bevisprÃ¶vning” in Sweden which means that evidence, no matter how they’re obtained, can be used.”

By: Bob

Bob — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:09:58 +0000

Espen Tondel said that none of the companies HE represents used Mediadefender to do what TPB said. He represents the MPAA, not Universal so what he said was strictly true. It’s a shame he wasn’t asked if any of the companies that the MPAA represents had done the stuff TPB said, rather than the companies HE represents.

By: David

David — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:55:51 +0000

whats are the laws for evidence in sweden? iirc in america leaked emails can’t be used as evidence because their easily faked. Would they be able to get copies from media defender during discovery or something

By: TonInter

TonInter — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:30:02 +0000

[quote comment="203217"]As tjena said, it’s spelled Dagbladet, not Dageblatet. :-)
[b]Espen Tondel can go to hell anyway.[/b][/quote]
I agree.

By: RandomGuy

RandomGuy — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:56:36 +0000

As tjena said, it’s spelled Dagbladet, not Dageblatet. :-)
Espen Tondel can go to hell anyway.

By: John

John — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:38:41 +0000

And the dumbest thing about MediaDefender is that it just doesn’t work, period.

By: meshal

meshal — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 05:28:36 +0000

keep torrent clean

By: ROFLcopter

ROFLcopter — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 05:22:09 +0000

How is someone represented by the MPAA? Isn’t that like being represented by Congress?

By: soullexx

soullexx — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:42:30 +0000

this is a battle that should not be ignored. This shall get interesting.

By: Roflcer of the Lawl

Roflcer of the Lawl — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:12:01 +0000

Pirate Bay will win this, clearly they broke the law.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:50:35 +0000

to say your unaware of companies in your org. action. is’nt that kind of what they are suing people for saying that aware or unaware you are responsible for what comes from your ip. Can any one say Hypocrites

By: Frank

Frank — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 01:22:31 +0000

‘well, we as an association were unaware of these independent actions of these member companies.’

Well. These parasites can not have it both way. Since companies are treated as people each person working for the company represent the company and whatever they do while working for the company make the company liable.

They are screw!

By: tjena

tjena — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 01:21:20 +0000

it is by the way “Dagbladet”, not “Dageblatet” .. xD

By: the beovians

the beovians — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 01:03:30 +0000

Perhaps some enterprising journalist should forward a copy of these emails to the MPAA and ask for a response to the content of the emails. Was the MPAA aware? Regardless, now that they are aware by virtue of these emails, what is their response?

I would guess the response to whether or not they were aware in the past could be something like ‘well, we as an association were unaware of these independent actions of these member companies.’ And this may or may not be true… after all the MPAA is a trade association, not a record company, there is bound to be wheelings and dealings within individual member companies that the association is not aware of.

Hopefully in the end they condemn this type of shady behavior by member companies. I’m not holding my breath though.

By: Dimagus

Dimagus — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:59:51 +0000

Never thought that doing something a corporation doesn’t approve of gives them the right to break the law… repeatedly, consistently, and irrevocably

By: wow2

wow2 — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:24:28 +0000

I never thought that the media distributors would go against their own consumers.

By: wow

wow — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:17:36 +0000

didnt think that the sites would ever go after the people trying to protect the copyrighted matierial