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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-410092</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention the fact that if you delete the decoy files, your tracker will get DDOSed, even if your tracker is for legitimate files only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention the fact that if you delete the decoy files, your tracker will get DDOSed, even if your tracker is for legitimate files only.</p>
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		<title>By: SvÃ¤ngdÃ¶rrar hos svenska polisen &#171; Onsdag</title>
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		<dc:creator>SvÃ¤ngdÃ¶rrar hos svenska polisen &#171; Onsdag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mediefÃ¶retag nÃ¤r TPB anmÃ¤lde dem fÃ¶r att ha saboterat deras infrastruktur efter lÃ¤ckan hos MediaDefender i hÃ¶stas. Det var dessutom han som fÃ¶rsÃ¤krade chefsjustitieombudsmannen om att razzian hade [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mediefÃ¶retag nÃ¤r TPB anmÃ¤lde dem fÃ¶r att ha saboterat deras infrastruktur efter lÃ¤ckan hos MediaDefender i hÃ¶stas. Det var dessutom han som fÃ¶rsÃ¤krade chefsjustitieombudsmannen om att razzian hade [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Frank A</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-301832</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Class action suits should be organized all over the World on multiple grounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Class action suits should be organized all over the World on multiple grounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Andrite</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-301829</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Andrite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;203344&quot;]&quot;which basically means that they pollute BitTorrent sites with fake files to make the real files harder to find.&quot;

that&#039;s illegal?[/quote]

Yes, it&#039;s called cyber crime, and it&#039;s an invasion on the rights and paid activity of untold millions of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="203344"]&#8220;which basically means that they pollute BitTorrent sites with fake files to make the real files harder to find.&#8221;</p>
<p>that&#8217;s illegal?[/quote]</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s called cyber crime, and it&#8217;s an invasion on the rights and paid activity of untold millions of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Andrite</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-301820</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Andrite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;202952&quot;]Never thought that doing something a corporation doesn&#039;t approve of gives them the right to break the law... repeatedly, consistently, and irrevocably[/quote]

Sums it up well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="202952"]Never thought that doing something a corporation doesn&#8217;t approve of gives them the right to break the law&#8230; repeatedly, consistently, and irrevocably[/quote]</p>
<p>Sums it up well</p>
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		<title>By: GCC2</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-229525</link>
		<dc:creator>GCC2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;MPAA cooking up some MPAA soup...&lt;/strong&gt;

Oh, there in such hot water now. Between this email leak and the issue explained in the article, &#8220;MPAA to sue MPAA? Wait, what!?&#8221; they mustn&#8217;t feel too good right now.
Emails leaked between MPAA and MediaDefender have been found on ma...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>MPAA cooking up some MPAA soup&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Oh, there in such hot water now. Between this email leak and the issue explained in the article, &#8220;MPAA to sue MPAA? Wait, what!?&#8221; they mustn&#8217;t feel too good right now.<br />
Emails leaked between MPAA and MediaDefender have been found on ma&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: IT Tech</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-211004</link>
		<dc:creator>IT Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a look at Mediadefender http://mediadefender-defenders.com/ 

&quot;2007-11-09 11:00 Had a HD crash, new disks are orderd and hopefully will arrive soon! 

2007-11-09 14:00 The disks will arrive monday (2007-11-12), so the webserver will be down until then =( 
                              Mail and databases are still up and running. &quot;

They have just one server?   When I was network admin I had mirrored servers.  They dont have RAID hard disk arrays to stop data loss if one drive crashes? Tape backups and spare hardware on the shelf? 

Amateurs or liars they are.

They have incriminating data files they wish to claim &quot;lost&quot;?

Chosse one from above that seems most likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a look at Mediadefender <a href="http://mediadefender-defenders.com/" rel="nofollow">http://mediadefender-defenders.com/</a> </p>
<p>&#8220;2007-11-09 11:00 Had a HD crash, new disks are orderd and hopefully will arrive soon! </p>
<p>2007-11-09 14:00 The disks will arrive monday (2007-11-12), so the webserver will be down until then =(<br />
                              Mail and databases are still up and running. &#8221;</p>
<p>They have just one server?   When I was network admin I had mirrored servers.  They dont have RAID hard disk arrays to stop data loss if one drive crashes? Tape backups and spare hardware on the shelf? </p>
<p>Amateurs or liars they are.</p>
<p>They have incriminating data files they wish to claim &#8220;lost&#8221;?</p>
<p>Chosse one from above that seems most likely.</p>
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		<title>By: DBlack2</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-208690</link>
		<dc:creator>DBlack2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to the congress representing us analogy. Isn&#039;t suing the MPAA for something that the people it represents did Kind of like suing congress because a random person (someone they represent) nicked your car?

I think that was the original point trying to be made, not that congress doesn&#039;t represent us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to the congress representing us analogy. Isn&#8217;t suing the MPAA for something that the people it represents did Kind of like suing congress because a random person (someone they represent) nicked your car?</p>
<p>I think that was the original point trying to be made, not that congress doesn&#8217;t represent us.</p>
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		<title>By: MediaDefender Emails Disprove MPAA Claims &#171; Hot WWW News</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-206991</link>
		<dc:creator>MediaDefender Emails Disprove MPAA Claims &#171; Hot WWW News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read more &#124; digg story [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Epoc</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-205405</link>
		<dc:creator>Epoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately, Swedish law is mostly built around justice, not lawyer wars or company interests. This is why the filed complaints are against companies with a swedish presence and thus must abide by swedish law. If you commit a crime, you will be held responsible even if the evidence aginst you was obtained illegally by another criminal - why should you go free if you broke the law? Also, the content was confirmed by MD wasn&#039;t it? So if it isn&#039;t forged it&#039;s as good evidence as the screen dumps the anti piracy organisation used as evidence against a &quot;pirate&quot; recently...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, Swedish law is mostly built around justice, not lawyer wars or company interests. This is why the filed complaints are against companies with a swedish presence and thus must abide by swedish law. If you commit a crime, you will be held responsible even if the evidence aginst you was obtained illegally by another criminal &#8211; why should you go free if you broke the law? Also, the content was confirmed by MD wasn&#8217;t it? So if it isn&#8217;t forged it&#8217;s as good evidence as the screen dumps the anti piracy organisation used as evidence against a &#8220;pirate&#8221; recently&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Blow</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-205005</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Blow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, stolen data is not likely to be accepted as evidence in any court of law.  Also, emails are plain text that can be easily modified and/or forged entirely.  I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s what happened here, but all they need is plausible deniability.  To be honest they don&#039;t even need that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, stolen data is not likely to be accepted as evidence in any court of law.  Also, emails are plain text that can be easily modified and/or forged entirely.  I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s what happened here, but all they need is plausible deniability.  To be honest they don&#8217;t even need that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-204706</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;203488&quot;]Two wrongs just don&#039;t make a right.[/quote]

3 lefts do though.</description>
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<p>3 lefts do though.</p>
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		<title>By: datdood</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-204599</link>
		<dc:creator>datdood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man this is just like a case where a crack dealer goes to the police because some crackhead owes him money. Its just stupid shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man this is just like a case where a crack dealer goes to the police because some crackhead owes him money. Its just stupid shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Informed is 100% Correct</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-204173</link>
		<dc:creator>Informed is 100% Correct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MPAA (US Based and focussed) and the MPA (US Based, but Internationally focussed) are Trade Associations, which, although the 6 major Hollywood studios make up the membership, are wholly separate legal entities from those studios.  Each entity, trade association and studios, are entitled to act independently to pursue means of anti-piracy, HOWEVER one major exception is that Trade Associations are not allowed by US law to engage in &quot;interdictions&quot; the very kind of services MD sells.  Sure every Hollywood studio and most major record labels (RIAA members) contract  with firms, including MD, to conduct interdictions, but the trade associations as separate entities, and by their legal nature are strictly prohibited to do likewise by US anti-trust law.

You might see them as one monolith or as a cartel perhaps, but US law sees them differently.  I cannot comment on Swedish Law.  Nonetheless, what is the real penalty that   Universal and the like could face if found in violation of Swedish Law.  If it&#039;s just a fine and some embarrassment, perhaps that was part of the risk assessment made by these &#039;evil&#039; capitalists.  So, ultimately they see the result as just the cost of doing business.

By the way, Capitalism is about opportunity.  Power is about ego.  Abuse is abuse.  And Idealism has nothing to do with Reality.  Thank God everyone is entitled to an opinion...and I&#039;ll take capitalism anytime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MPAA (US Based and focussed) and the MPA (US Based, but Internationally focussed) are Trade Associations, which, although the 6 major Hollywood studios make up the membership, are wholly separate legal entities from those studios.  Each entity, trade association and studios, are entitled to act independently to pursue means of anti-piracy, HOWEVER one major exception is that Trade Associations are not allowed by US law to engage in &#8220;interdictions&#8221; the very kind of services MD sells.  Sure every Hollywood studio and most major record labels (RIAA members) contract  with firms, including MD, to conduct interdictions, but the trade associations as separate entities, and by their legal nature are strictly prohibited to do likewise by US anti-trust law.</p>
<p>You might see them as one monolith or as a cartel perhaps, but US law sees them differently.  I cannot comment on Swedish Law.  Nonetheless, what is the real penalty that   Universal and the like could face if found in violation of Swedish Law.  If it&#8217;s just a fine and some embarrassment, perhaps that was part of the risk assessment made by these &#8216;evil&#8217; capitalists.  So, ultimately they see the result as just the cost of doing business.</p>
<p>By the way, Capitalism is about opportunity.  Power is about ego.  Abuse is abuse.  And Idealism has nothing to do with Reality.  Thank God everyone is entitled to an opinion&#8230;and I&#8217;ll take capitalism anytime.</p>
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		<title>By: Dekut.com</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-203813</link>
		<dc:creator>Dekut.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;MediaDefender Emails Disprove MPAA Claims...&lt;/strong&gt;

Last Month The Pirate Bay filed complaints against some of the key players in the entertainment industry for corrupting and sabotaging their BitTorrent tracker. The MPAA has now responded to these claims and deny that they worked with MediaDefender....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>MediaDefender Emails Disprove MPAA Claims&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Last Month The Pirate Bay filed complaints against some of the key players in the entertainment industry for corrupting and sabotaging their BitTorrent tracker. The MPAA has now responded to these claims and deny that they worked with MediaDefender&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: none</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-203488</link>
		<dc:creator>none</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two wrongs just don&#039;t make a right.</description>
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		<title>By: Zoness</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-203437</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it&#039;s important that we keep an eye on this story, we need to get the whole p2p community involved eventually. The Pirate Bay can&#039;t carry all of the weight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#8217;s important that we keep an eye on this story, we need to get the whole p2p community involved eventually. The Pirate Bay can&#8217;t carry all of the weight!</p>
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		<title>By: Quinn DuPont</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-203436</link>
		<dc:creator>Quinn DuPont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is actually a lot going on here, much more than first meets the eye.  It isn&#039;t just that the MD were engaging in immoral and illegal behaviour, they are functioning within  a capitalist logic, and as such not doing anything unusual or unprecedented.  The problem with the analysis so far of the MD leak is that it operates within the capitalist logic, and thus explaining the existence of an MD is difficult and problematic.  Capitalism is about power, and MD was merely exerting this.  If anyone is interested I am currently working on a full interrogation of the leaked texts and a subsequent analysis, implicitly providing a critique of capitalism.  It isn&#039;t finished yet, but come December you may want to check out http://iqdupont.com/essays/ .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is actually a lot going on here, much more than first meets the eye.  It isn&#8217;t just that the MD were engaging in immoral and illegal behaviour, they are functioning within  a capitalist logic, and as such not doing anything unusual or unprecedented.  The problem with the analysis so far of the MD leak is that it operates within the capitalist logic, and thus explaining the existence of an MD is difficult and problematic.  Capitalism is about power, and MD was merely exerting this.  If anyone is interested I am currently working on a full interrogation of the leaked texts and a subsequent analysis, implicitly providing a critique of capitalism.  It isn&#8217;t finished yet, but come December you may want to check out <a href="http://iqdupont.com/essays/" rel="nofollow">http://iqdupont.com/essays/</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Angelina Mina</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-203395</link>
		<dc:creator>Angelina Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers Torrentfreak, whatever is going on is going on smooth like Chivas

Angelina Mina
http://www.happy-funtime.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Torrentfreak, whatever is going on is going on smooth like Chivas</p>
<p>Angelina Mina<br />
<a href="http://www.happy-funtime.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.happy-funtime.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Belligerent Engine</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-disprove-mpaa-claims-071104/#comment-203378</link>
		<dc:creator>Belligerent Engine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;203264&quot;]whats are the laws for evidence in sweden? iirc in america leaked emails can&#039;t be used as evidence because their easily faked. Would they be able to get copies from media defender during discovery or something[/quote]
In Sweden, anything that has come up can be used as evidence outside some very particular circumstances where it cannot. This is called &quot;free evidence gathering&quot;.

If the accused parties wish to argue that the e-mails aren&#039;t genuine, then can certainly do so in court. This sort of argumentation doesn&#039;t have a good history however, considering the &quot;evidence machine&quot; case and all.

(Oh, and the very particular circumstances I mentioned above? Those basically can&#039;t ever apply to you unless you&#039;re a cop, a doctor or a lawyer. The latter two have x-to-client privilege, and the first is an official of the state.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="203264"]whats are the laws for evidence in sweden? iirc in america leaked emails can&#8217;t be used as evidence because their easily faked. Would they be able to get copies from media defender during discovery or something[/quote]<br />
In Sweden, anything that has come up can be used as evidence outside some very particular circumstances where it cannot. This is called &#8220;free evidence gathering&#8221;.</p>
<p>If the accused parties wish to argue that the e-mails aren&#8217;t genuine, then can certainly do so in court. This sort of argumentation doesn&#8217;t have a good history however, considering the &#8220;evidence machine&#8221; case and all.</p>
<p>(Oh, and the very particular circumstances I mentioned above? Those basically can&#8217;t ever apply to you unless you&#8217;re a cop, a doctor or a lawyer. The latter two have x-to-client privilege, and the first is an official of the state.)</p>
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