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Megaupload Seized Data Case Will Get a Hearing, Court Rules

When the Megaupload file-hosting service was raided and shut down in January this year, it wasn’t just the company and its operators that were punished. Thousands of Megaupload users lost access to their legitimate data and for nearly 10 months have been in a state of limbo. Now, following pressure from one wronged user and his supporters at the EFF, it seems progress is being made . He will get his day in court, a judge has ruled.

In a couple of weeks time it will be exactly 10 months since Megaupload’s servers were raided by U.S. authorities.

Now, and after considerable legal wrangling, it finally appears that the fate of the user data on those machines is set to be decided.

The data, currently sitting inside 1103 servers at Carpathia Hosting in the United States, has been the subject of extended negotiations between Megaupload’s legal team and the Department of Justice and other parties. Megaupload wants its formers users to regain access, but the authorities and the MPAA – who say the machines are filled with pirated movies, TV shows and music – aren’t so keen.

In May, and after initial requests months earlier, Ohio-based business man Kyle Goodwin, a former Megaupload user who lost access to his personal videos, filed a motion with the support of the EFF asking the courts to find a solution for their return of his data and that of other Megaupload users.

Although Judge Liam O’Grady didn’t make a direct decision, he did order the original parties back to the table to negotiate. In July they limped on for a couple of months only to fail again in September. This prompted the EFF to put more pressure on Judge O’Grady.

Now, according to the EFF, things are moving forward at last.

“The Court stated today that it will hold a hearing to find out the details about Mr. Goodwin’s property – where it is, what happened when the government denied him access to it, and whether and how he can get it back,” says EFF attorney Julie Samuels.

Goodwin and the U.S. government have been asked to come up with a format for the hearing, to take place on a currently unscheduled date sometime in the future.

Describing the good news as “long overdue”, Samuels says the hearing will represent another step for innocent users to have their “rightful property” returned.

“We are glad that Mr. Goodwin will finally get to make his case in court and we look forward to helping the judge fashion a procedure to make all of Megaupload’s consumers whole again by granting them access to what is legally theirs,” Samuels concludes.

Megaupload lawyer Ira Rothken, who previously told TorrentFreak that the seizing of all user data by the U.S. government amounted to a violation of due process, says the hearing will give Megaupload the opportunity to call U.S. officials to testify.

“Megaupload will be filing papers with the court to specially intervene,” he told CNET, “considering that it is only the Internet service provider that, under applicable privacy laws, is the only party that can access the data and coordinate return to consumers.”

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  • meowmix

    people should be able to get thier photos and the like back, its the right thing to do.

    • FinalApokylypse

       Not to mention if MegaUpload goes up, even for a few weeks it will have negligible effect on access to content. I would wager 99% of the pirated material on MU is located elsewhere on the internet and easily locatable by the majority of users. That and many would be worried about them monitoring traffic if it went up.

      • FinalApokylypse

        Negligible effect on access to illegal content.*

        It would be great for legal/personal content by comparison.

        • FinalCorrectOkylypse

          Negligible effect on access to LEGAL content.*

          Or is the latest Batman Film ILLEGAL CONTENT ?

        • yello

          cmon mafiaa as if the illegal content on the servers isnt available elsewhere, its not going to personally “save” your industry denying us access for a while

        • RealJustice

          For the content that might be really illegal people from the entertainment industry should be prosecuted and not Megaupload or the users. Is this correct?

          I mean what about the kids having access to the Madonna crap, Lady Gaga shit or some of these  nasty rap garbage lyrics?

          I believe that the corporate executives of the involved companies should be accountable.

        • http://twitter.com/GlindaStamper Glinda Stamper

          @25ad4f0522a996d4f78ad40bdae3c0e3:disqus It’s more legit to pay 40$ than a fine or getting to jail because you felt in a hole full of cops waiting for that...A1Job.notlong.com

      • nick

        Everyone LOGON on a vpn service before using anything from Mega”.

        It will cost you like 40$ a year to buy the peace and not having to worry if any1 is spying on you while gathering essential stuff. It’s more legit to pay 40$ than a fine or getting to jail because you felt in a hole full of cops waiting for that.

        My 2 mega cents!

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Easier way would be for MegaUpload to use SSL connections like banking sites do.

      • Rekrul

         Not to mention if MegaUpload goes up, even for a few weeks it will have negligible effect on access to content.

        They’re never going to just put the servers back online for everyone to access. If the court grants access, it will be done through some private network where each user is given a special access code and they will only be able to access the files that they uploaded.

      • lattari

        It’s ridiculous that the authorities are sitting on those servers. All the infringing content that is there is just copies that can be reproduced infinitely by any computer, at no cost and with little time.

    • chronoss chiron

      real reason that won’t happen 
      the people that seized it destroyed it and thus JUST sue and get some tax payers cash for the fbi being idiots

  • Anonymous

    although this decision is long overdue, i have to say i am concerned with what will happen between now and then. the ‘Feds’ cant be trusted at all, so it wouldn’t surprise me to read that for some ‘unknown and inexplicable reasons’ all the data was deleted or the servers were mistakenly put back into business for someone else. the court should now order that all the servers are deemed untouchable until the court decides otherwise

    • chronoss chiron

      thats already happened
      so his lawsuit will get a nice reward ……

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    You need judge to rule to hold court hearing if you want to protect your rights in court. lol, America

  • Gupta

    eztv is down. a raid?

    • The_Strawbear

      Works for me (UK)

    • groovesan

      Works in Finland, eztv has mirror at thepiratebay 

      82.98.86.174 (try inside browser with http protocol)

    • correction

      no it’s up

    • http://techfleece.com/ Richard Gailey

      Also working for me. UK as well.

    • Guest

      Fine for me

  • http://twitter.com/lzr9 lulzer ?????

    thousands? no, millions of victims of the federal terrorists’ crimes.

  • Colin Carr

    Of course the MAFIAA don’t want any data released. It might undermine their story that it’s all, “pirated movies, TV shows and music” if people start saying, “These are my photos of the Grand Canyon, plans for the new garden, letters to Auntie Flo… that I got back from Megaupload” 

    • <3 Kat <3

      yeah it should be a site made “terrorism of innocent people by us government and mafiaa”
      If we did not get our data back, we would have lost all of these. Stop the terrorism by the government and Mafiaa.org . 
      Upload your items you would have lost and show how bad the government/mafiaa is to all those that do not know. We can change the system.

  • pcGnome

    Probably WAY off, but the underlying issue moves me to state:

    There is ONE set of servers quite capable of being a near free, indestructible and permanent record of EVERYONE’s data. A people’s cloud if you will.

    Have you noticed that UseNet retention rates advance at the exact rate of the passage of time? They would increase it exponentially, but they cannot go back and get date before about early September of 2008 as it is the irrevocable dividing line between “expired” and “permanent”.

    Nothing AFTER early September of 2008 will EVER expire. Go ahead, find your most precious bit of data (family albums, financial records, that digital video of your kids play) and simply pay ten bucks and upload a copy of anything you want to a popular newsgroup – and then come back and look at it in a year – in ten years – in a thousand years (well, your kids begatting down through the ages’ heir).

    It will still be there.

    Check it out.

    Sure, there are problems (passworded files are frowned on there – but that hasn’t stopped anybody). Theoretically there are means to remove anything with but a clear intention – but you have to get to everyone’s servers at the same time or propagation will out. I suspect there are private sets of servers all over the place (bet RIAA & MPAA have their very own set). Plus, I don’t think there are anything like industry standards that require kill orders to be as honored as actual posts.

    Rant over, thanks for reading,

    pcG

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      That is the main reason why Usenet was dropped by ISP’s after the whole “Child porn on Usenet” kerfluffle. There was no way to remove SOLELY the child pornography, it was an all or nothing situation.

      • Rekrul

        That
        is the main reason why Usenet was dropped by ISP’s after the whole
        “Child porn on Usenet” kerfluffle. There was no way to remove SOLELY the
        child pornography, it was an all or nothing situation.
        That’s a load of crap. There was nothing stopping the ISPs from dropping just the groups used for child porn. I used to browse the newsgroups daily and I never saw any CP posted to any of the mainstream groups.ISPs wanted to drop the newsgroups because they didn’t want to spend the time and money to provide a decent service. Then, when people stopped using them because the ISP provided news servers sucked, they used it as justification for dropping them completely. Child Porn just makes a handy excuse.

        • Rekrul

           Sorry for the lousy formatting. It looked correct in the edit window.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Actually, after further reading…. you are correct. They could have dropped the LS-Models and such groups (found out about them from Wikipedia) and kept Usenet.

          They just didn’t want to go through the minimal trouble of doing that and thereby screwed over all their customers.

          Plus, at the time, they were also getting hit by the “Usenet is a pirate haven!” thing as well.

  • The_Strawbear

    Court to rule:
    If you only have important data stored in one place, you deserve all you get for being a dumb ass.

    • Guest

      If you have your important data stored in one place, you deserve to have it illegally seized by the government?

      That doesn’t sound right. 

      • MWM

        really dude you belive in this system ? in their lies , in freedom , in human rights , in privacy , in laws ? foget about , all are just bullshit to foolish mass people , wake up , you and others have no rights in fact , you and 99% of this world are owned by these greedy riches even im shure you dont know , once you work for the system you are manipulated ,enslaved you become a little part of this system , just your masters foolish you to belive you have “rights” freedom etc
        you have no guarantee for these “rights” , if you want get freedom , rights then fight and take it ,stay away from system as much you can , nobody will respect your rights if you will not fight for that ! stop to be foolished ,stop to belive in laws , in words – becouse anytime you can be abused if your master decide that ,and thet you will see have no rights in reality !

    • Guest

      This makes as much sense as you keeping several HDDs at home, then the government comes and torches your house in case you were storing pirated music on it, and you’re unable to claim anything off them.

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    Perhaps you’ve felt the panic that sets in when you know, even momentarily, that you’re not going to survive.  People say, “It was blinding.  I was too horrified to care.” 

    Most importantly, the act of living through; and, getting past, the actual realization of what’s coming, is the intrinsic and crucial precondition to survival itself.  People look backward on survival, not forward; they reflect; and, only, retrospectively, can they explain what happened. 

    Of course, each one of us is destined to have some experience of this personally; but, historicly, the absolutely worst human experiences of such fear come directly from the functions and dysfunctions of Governments. 

    Two observations and one conclusion: 

    Observation #1: There has never been such a thing as just and fair compensation for the worst excesses of Government.  If you are one of the mothers of La Plaza de Mayo; or, if your family was wiped out under the Kmer Rouge; or, if you are an Argentinian whose brothers were thrown from helicopters into the ocean during La Dictadura; or, if you were tortured for years in Peruvian jails during the Fugimori regime; then, you will never be fairly or justly compensated.  That is why we must proactively prevent the worst excesses of governments:  Because the results are inhuman; and, the resulting damage can never ever be compensated. 

    Observation #2:  The genius of real and functioning Constitutional Democracy is that it is the only form of government that can anticipate and counteract the worst excesses of governments.  Notice; we do not cite here, as excesses of government, perpetual copyright, monopoly power, abusive taxation, or grossly maldistributed national income.  Those are mere symptomes of the unmitigated excesses to come:  The kinds of governmental excesses that make such mass fear normal, become clear only when Democratic governance has become a publicly understood fiction. 

    One Conclusion:  We must see the co-mingling of Corporate and Governmental special interests that gave us PIPA, SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, and TPP,  less for their struggle to keep unearned profits; and, less for the immediate inconveniences they inflict on us.  We must see more clearly that their true menace lies in the many ways they’ve tried to end “popular” sovereignty in our democracies.  Their success, in this regard, is the one true promise that we must expect vastly more, and vastly different, suffering to come. 

    Surviving the knowledge of THAT realization is the first indication that we will survive.  We can NOT look forward to that.  Only retrospectively; looking backward, will we be able to tell that we made it.    

  • ZangZew

    I think its pretty awesome, I for one am sick and tired of the US playing “World Police”.

    GetAnon.tk

  • Small Cog

    For some time now the US Government and its Agencies have started using the “Prove Your Innocence” approach to the law. The exact opposite of what is written in the US Constitution. Many ISP’s use this approach with their bandwidth allocations.

    I hope that the Megauplaod users get to access their data without having to prove it’s non-pirated material.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      It’s impossible to prove that, save if you give them the password/right to look through all your stuff.
      We don’t have to do that when the police recover our property that has been taken from our homes, so why should we have to do that here?

  • Andrew Lee

    My government had absolutely no right to lock people out of their data even if MU was 99.999999999999 percent pirated files. “It was not many people used MU for legitimate purposes.”  In fact Megaupload dealt with piracy a hell of a lot quicker than most sites do.

    It would be a safe bet to say 99.9% of pirated files on Megaupload also exist somewhere else on the web.

    They fucked up and they know it so now all they can do is bring in damage control.. For some reason they have not done this yet so they’re just making it worse on themselves.

    So is the risk of someone getting their hands on a pirated copy of whatever a good enough reason to keep the whole site offline?
    Keep in mind the people pushing for this ONLY DEAL WITH STUFF THAT’S EXTREMELY POPULAR AND IS 100% FOR SURE ON ANOTHER SERVER THAT IS ONLINE RIGHT NOW!!

    The people that might have pirated software only on Megaupload are the very small developers that have not made one fucking peep regarding the shutdown of Megaupload.

    With that said they need to just fuck off already and give people back their shit. The RIAA calls piracy theft when they’re responsible for the U.S. government “my government that should be fucking ashamed of themselves” holding millions of users data HOSTAGE how fucking ironic is that.

    • chronoss chiron

      no more ironic then the church doing so in the dark ages….you see a pattern yet….

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  • ZBOUB!

    FUCK all these shit of American ! Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Barack Obama suck the MPAA, RIAA for grants and to have votes in favor xD LoL But everything they have done is the contrary and has especially reinforced not vote for them ^ ^
    They believe for a second that they can violate the rights of millions of people around the world crossing the pretext of copyright.
    Motherfucker !

    • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

      Yep. Happens all the time. It’s even worse in the medical industry. A company can hold a patent to chemical or even a gene. They may sit on their hands and not work on a treatment. All the while no other company can touch it. 

      • WWW

        RIGHT! BUT just now people wake up and see face of the monster USA, just now they realize big lies , manipulation ,injustice hypocricy, double standards etc Unfortunately it maybe too late , maybe if people will not stand up , fight back and destroy this parasite system (very simillar with fascism -seems USA learn from Natzi and develop system – they dont just kill people in gas chambers , they destroy people after lie and foolish people (to accept restrictions in name of freedom , of rights etc) to work hard for they to make more money – think about medical system care ,about deseases becouse of junk food, GMO foods (Genetically Modified Organisms) ,chemicals food, medical drugs , hidden experiments, high polution , wars , low education level (very good to manipulate much easy) they dont have money to care and save people they have money always just for new weapons and forms to destroy people , people are used like slave robots ,they are good as long they accept all shits , work for system and make money from riches corporations , when people pretend rights and decent life , or are not agree with shits , they become enemies and are eliminated – thats the “amaizing” system -capitalist democracy, in fact new form of fascism which foolish people (to belive they have freedom , they have rights, they have freedom of choice and livin in democracy) to control them much easy to use them as a slaves to make profit

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  • Yo

    FINALLY. 
    This hearing should have happened within a week of the seizures.

  • foff

    I predict nothing is going to happen.  People who have money or other property seized even if no drugs are found have to sometimes fight years to get their property back.  It seems once property is seized judges seem to take the guilty until absolutely proven innocent in complete form of justice.  Once the government seizes something they do everything in the book to avoid returning the property.  I don’t why the government is more concerned with keeping property then the rights of the individual and or owner but they are.  

  • Neotoasty

    Just give the files back. How hard do they have to make it look like?

  • youshaji
  • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

    Here is how I see this going down:

    Judge: “Okay DoJ, you are ordered to give back the data to the Megaupload users”
    DOJ: “Yes your honor, however as a law enforcement body we cannot redistribute copyright protected works. We will need time to remove illicit content.”
    Judge: “Okay, that is reasonable.”
    Doj: “Thank you your honor, due to the size of these drives it will take at least 18 months.”

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