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Megaupload Shutdown Boosted TV and VOD Services

The French government agency responsible for administering the country’s ’3 strikes’ anti-piracy scheme is reporting that online TV and other VOD services have received a boost following the shutdown of Megaupload. According to Hadopi, these authorized outlets enjoyed an average growth of nearly 26% in the weeks immediately after the Hong Kong based site was shuttered.

According to figures released last month by Médiamétrie, Megaupload’s Megavideo was one of France’s most popular Internet video services. In December 2011, Megavideo ranked 9th behind market leaders YouTube and big names such as Daily Motion, Canal + and Vimeo, pulling in nearly 3 million visitors.

But by January 19th it was all over. Megaupload and all its sister companies were closed down in now-infamous raids and its French users – between them viewing nearly 97.5 million videos per month – had to make alternative arrangements.

According to a new report by Hadopi, the French agency tasked with administering the country’s 3 strikes anti-piracy strategy, many of them turned to authorized services.

Hadopi say they used data compiled by Médiamétrie/ Netratings on approximately 50 authorized video platforms. Stats were gathered from 22 free sites (excluding YouTube, Dailymotion and Vimeo), 12 TV ‘catch-up’ services, 12 premium VOD services and 4 other aggregators/portals.

Hadopi says the data, which was collected after Megaupload’s shutdown date of January 19th and ran to the end of the month, shows that overall the VOD, catchup TV and aggregator platforms enjoyed a significant 25.7% growth when compared to the weeks immediately prior to the site’s closure.

When broken down the aggregators and portals enjoyed the biggest uplift in visitors of some 85%, premium VOD second with 35%, followed by TV catchup services with a 25% increase.

The free streaming sites, on the other hand, suffered a 20% reduction in visitors during the same period.

According to reports by Numerama, last month French media outfit Canal + reported a 20% rise in sales on their VOD platform since the closure of Megaupload, with national TV channel TF1 reporting a 40% boost.

However, increases in traffic were not simply restricted to authorized content outlets. As already noted here on TorrentFreak, in the wake of the Megaupload closure many of the site’s competitors such as Rapidshare, Uploaded.to, Depositfiles and Hotfile, also enjoyed surges in traffic.

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But as can be seen from the updated traffic graph above, while the first three hosters appear to have kept a decent proportion of the traffic initially gained, Hotfile’s traffic is already back to pre-January 19th levels. It will be very interesting to see if the short-term fortunes of the sites surveyed by Médiamétrie will show a similar trend to that demonstrated by Hotfile once the panic has subsided, or if they will maintain their new levels.

To get a better idea of the longer term consumer response to the Mega shutdown we will have to wait and see what figures Médiamétrie return for February, March and April. The closure of Mega on January 19th will have undoubtedly prompted a knee jerk reaction by users and flight to other services of all different shapes and sizes, but whether they stay put or move again remains to be seen.

According to the indictment against Megaupload there will now be at least hundreds of millions of dollars to be shared among ‘legitimate’ companies now Kim Dotcom’s company has gone. Whether the coffers of authorized video providers will benefit in line with the traffic increases suggested above is the really big question, and one yet to be answered.

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  • Anonymous

    absolute bollocks! all these arse holes are doing is trying to justify Hadopi, when they know full well it doesn’t work (without doctoring figures, that is). look at previous articles concerning the start of sending out the ’3rd strike’ notifications in France. the same bullshit was used then! they really must think people have short memories and are fucking stupid!

    • Sin3Killer

      Just because previous figures published by hadopi turned out to be skewed in their favor does not mean that this will be true for all figures from then on. All data should be analyzed on its own merit without preconceived bias.

      For my part I am inclined to think that these figures are probably showing a valid trend.

      • Anyone

        of course their numbers are skewed

        they are greedy cunts without any morals

        • PelouzeTF

          Greedy ?

          Even if you took away every pirate outlet online and no media was available unless it was from a legitimate and authorized source, they still aren’t forcing you to buy shit.

        • FinalApokylypse

          @PelouzeTF
          The same could be said about almost all business seeing as its illegal to force anyone to buy a product.. so where are you even going with that argument…? Consumers have the power of choice. The thing is most companies nowadays (entities like MPAA RIAA included) are after as much money as they can make hence why monopolies exist as it creates a huge advantage to reap big profits. The thing is while this is definitely benificial to those entities it actually has negative effects for the rest of society and easily fits into a definition of greed.

        • Anon

          lol @ monopoly. They aren’t shutting anyone down to maintain their monopoly. Why don’t you start producing movies yourself and release them for free? Anyone is free to compete against them. Its a free market. Its not their fault that nobody can compete against them.

          At the end of the day anyone hating on Hollywood has the choice not to buy anything from them. Entertainment is not an essential commodity that one cannot survive without it.

        • FinalApokylypse

          @Anon
          I never said they were shutting anyone down to maintain their monopoly. Thats their continuously failing attempt at controlling the distribution (and therefore money). But if you want proof of monopolistic behavior look no further than the MPAA. They set the rules and guidelines for ratings for movies (at least within the USA). If a movie doesn’t quite reach the requirements for a lower rating (meaning more potential viewers at the box office) then they will give reasons why the film got the rating it got. But that’s only if your company is one of the big names who have money flowing to the MPAA, if your an independant that means you will most likely be told to make cuts, won’t be told which items are causing the rating to be raised etc. It’s unfair especially as the independants need more help than the big names.

          Heres a reference, I particularly recommend the south park links, they’re quite interesting people.

          http://torrentfreak.com/filmmaker-mpaa-is-a-censorship-group-go-torrent-120223/

      • Reader

        You still don’t trust a fox to guard your chickens, no matter how trustworthy it may or may not have been in the past.

      • Anonymous

        ‘All data should be analyzed on its own merit without preconceived bias.’

        that’s all fine and dandy if the figures put out were genuine. up til now, no entertainment industry or any other industry related to them in any way, has put out anything except over bloated lies. there is no difference with these figures than before. total crap!

        • FinalApokylypse

          So just because you believe that they have never had any unbiased data come out before this point you’ve made the assumption that they never will. If they actually came across true data that actually supported their claims don’t you think they would present that data?

          Btw that doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s not skewed data but I would always advise to keep your mind open otherwise you have decided what the outcome is before even reading it whether you know it or not.

          I also think that even if this data was right in its trend it doesn’t really say much for how they are getting people to turn to legitimate services. How/why was megaupload providing a service that a lot of people preferred to the legitimate services. I can tell you it’s not just about money for customers.

      • Anonymous

        Once you lose your integrity, you have nothing left. In this case, I would agree with anon up top. Without integrity, these numbers are meaningless.

      • Sin4Sale

        If the figures are true, they just proved it’s not all about getting things for free like the pro-copyright morons keep insisting. It’s about convenience and availability, just like it has always been. If the best service is free, the mases will use that. If the best service costs money, the masses will use that. Legitimacy is, and always will be, irrelevant. So thank you, Hadopi, for giving us the proof we needed to backup what we’ve been trying to get across to Hollywood for the better part of a decade now.

      • phoque

        “this will be true for all figures from then on”: Once a liar, always a liar. Unless they can prove that those gathering the data now are different from the previous employees. And that the people doing the hiring are also different.

    • Caladol1

      I think incompetent is the word….. not “fucking stupid!”

      • Anonymous

        ‘they really must think people have short memories and are fucking stupid!’

        how would ‘incompetent’ fit in at all?

    • Guest

      Same bullshit, different day.

    • http://nucco.org Fanen A.

      Hasn’t anyone got the balls to analyse bittorrent traffic in the wake of the mega upload shutdown? I suspect that torrents saw a major rise.

  • Anonymous

    I cant imagine why. Hotfile has all the files megaupload had, and there are many others just like them. No big deal. Done-Anon.tk

    • Guest

      Hotfile may have all the files Megaupload had, but that doesn’t matter if the people who were downloading from megaupload don’t choose to go there.

      There are quite a few people I know who would type “[movie name] megaupload” into google whenever they wanted to find something. To many of these people, the closing of megaupload would represent a reason to stop torrenting. Some of them would increase their knowledge and find new places, but some of them would simply go back to the older forms of media.

      Remember, the computer illiterate use torrent services too. It’s not hard, but the lack of general knowledge means that they’re likely to only use one service. There’s also the comfort factor; someone may believe for whatever reason that megaupload files are safe, while other torrent files are risky.

      These results seem possible to me. If someone disproves the data presented, I’ll change my mind, but until then,

      • http://profiles.google.com/orfetheo Orfeas Theofanis

        PEOPLE PEOPLE!
        They’re only talking about Percentage!!
        25% might seem much, but it might also mean that from 1000 people using VoD, there are now 1250 people using it, so no big deal.
        Or by 25% more people using it, they might mean they used it once, not every day.

        You can’t be sure about those statistics anyway, and if they actually mean that 25% more people use VoD on a daily/weekly basis, then no, I don’t believe them either.

  • Pwet

    It also seems that the number of downloads significantly increased on retroshare (encrypted P2P) :

    http://www.nikopik.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/retroshare-monthly.png

    (source in French : http://bit.ly/zWwdxp)

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    You can’t draw any conclusions in the short term other than that Mega closure sparked panic and mess all around. Alternatives will be found given time. I’ll risk that legal services should retain a portion of this initial surge as ppl shift to other sources as they get popular but int he long run Mega ‘illegal’ traffic will find it’s way through.

    And you’d be amazed on how fast ppl find alternatives (which include – !!! – buying the physical media and this is realy harming for whoever because that money won’t be spent with the artists or the MAFIAA).

    • Guest

      filedove.com is a good one

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Those alternatives are sure taking their sweet time coming, Ninja. It’s been three months (almost) now and things are still as bad as they were in early January except for one thing: Fileserve is back and alive again.

      Filesonic still isn’t, which is weird considering that both are supposedly owned by the same company.

      Uploaded.to and the Turbobit brand of filehosts are still doing the ‘no United States’ faggotry that will not protect them from anything if the United States wants to go after them.

  • http://twitter.com/aaronjacques aaron jacques

    you do realize that there is some double counting there, aggregators and portal are going to link to other services.

    That being said 35% of mega upload diverted traffic is people catching up with tv shows.

    In other words using mega upload like a pvr.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Exactly right. I am very sure that a good 50% of downloads on MegaUpload was people downloading things that they had already paid for via a cable TV or satellite TV subscription. Perhaps even as high as 75% there.

  • Telezarz

    Hadopi is a fucking joke !! They base their studies side to side with movies and music groups.
    Yeah, the Megaupload shutdown may have boost the legel services, but it’s not only that, it has move users offshore… and they are all moving there, slowly but surely.

    And the Megaupload shutdown just boost all the other file-hosters, and even more interesting, a lot of new file-hosters have emerged, probably created by little team of web developer/or designer.
    Since Megauplaod died, it’s like it has disintegrated to reappears into an anthill of A LOT of other file-hosters.

  • Yu_Ominae_SSJ19

    they tried to do the samething in spain in the same weekend megaupload was shutdown,they said because of that movie theaters had an 33% increment of movie goes,and everyone knows that is BS big time

  • Ahmede

    hotfile will be dead before july. their removal of legal files killed users confidence

  • the

    stop kony.

    • Blackbeard

      Stop Stop Kony.

    • O’lay Pirate

      Read http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120307144114AAw3T1m and realise how pointless saying that is.

      Idea: Let’s stop Osama
      Result: nothing

      Idea: Let’s stop Gaddafi
      Result: Libya is not worse than ever rape/torture/murder.

      So basicly the only thing good that will come out of it will be giving the charity lots of money so they can enjoy life to the full.

      —-

      While you cry over Kony, I’ll be scared shitless over Iran/Israel starting WW3.

      … Hey, even the police in Africa rape/torture/murder … so like Kony being dead is going to make the slightest bit of difference. Take over the country w/ war will be the only way of sorting out the governments … but far more innocent lives would be lost that way rather than just letting them continue.

      I’m not saying I like what Kony is doing – but thousands of other Kony clones around the world. Someone will just take his place when he has gone.

      • the

        lolumad?

        • O’lay Pirate

          No… actually I’m laughing… laughing at how stupid people can be and will litterly take a 15 second video without doing any research then start spamming the entire internet.

          Actually… yeah… I’m mad. I’m a mad ‘bro’ …

          U jelly bro? U jelly that I have common sense rather than jumping to conclusions about a video which will do more harm that good?

          Brb, going to piss in my shit. Wait… what? who said that! oh… that was me.

          Sorry I didn’t mean to say that…. my backspace button is broken so I can’t delete it… meh.

  • stopping by

    Not surprising — the numbers pretty much match the increase in iTunes sales after HADOPI.

    But great news, nevertheless. And an interesting glimpse into the Post Pirate Era.

    • Goosmoo

      “post pirate era”? really?

      lolol

      Guess again. ;)

  • pisstit

    I MISS MU

  • Mwhahaha

    This claim is based on 12 days of data? Hmph. I can’t get too excited over that.

    I think what most people want, over all is one service which can provide them with whatever they want to watch for that week and can then keep. We don’t want 18 different subscriptions to encompass different channels and countries. We don’t want to have the film restricted to our PC’s and we want to watch it again later on. If one platform could give me all that for a reasonable sum a month I would happy sign up to it.

    Instead, as these services run atm, I’m forced to watch at the PC. Then if I want to keep the film/show I’m forced to go buy a DVD later on, despite already having paid once for whatever it is, and no single portal offers a full range of what I’d like to see.

    I think a platform with adverts plus a small subscription charge and say a10gb monthly amount would see astronomical profits and leave everyone terribly happy. You’d also have the first ep of any new show not taking up your allowance to encourage people to get into it. You could even distribute via torrents, with say a gb increase in allowance for people who distributed.

    I think this would benefit slow burning shows, as with a worldwide potential audience, they’d not show lousy viewing figures like they do just in one country.
    (Ok, so I’m still not over Firefly being cancelled.)

    I never mind paying for something I enjoy, what I dislike is being wallet raped when I know the money isn’t really getting to the people who make these things. I also dislike paying for packages on TV when I only want to watch 2 shows out of all that are available. But what irks me most is paying for something twice.

    I saw the Muppets at the cinema the other day, ok, so we went on the cheap day, but that was still about £12 for 2 people to watch a film once. Now if I want the DVD, as it was very, very good, I will have to go and spend another £12 or so, despite having already rewarded them for making it. How much does it cost to print and ship a DVD? £2? £3?

    If, when buying a DVD we’re paying, not for the thing itself, but for the licence to watch it, then haven’t I already paid for that? Same with upgrading media. Buy a video, buy a dvd, buy a bluray. Buy the 3d re-dickered version (yes Mr Lucas, I’m looking at you here). How many times do they want people to pay for the licence to watch what is essentially the same 2 hours of film?

    I think we need worldwide licenses for shows online, and we need the studios to realise that the sheer scale of people paying a small amount all round the world would make them very happy. All this would also get rid of the filler dross which clutters up most channels and reward the best shows that most people watched.

  • gollu

    Cause Mega got mega takedown then I got mega extra money to buy some megaidiot software and megastupid videos, I think that is maga fa´rside of my of my Normal life and pirating behaviors (just pirating ME3 from customer spying origin).

    Well If they really shut down all ” Free” sites then it´s goood to get out and got real life.

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  • Anonymous

    It took the closure of Megavideo to make people switch to legal alternatives? Legal alternatives get content immediately, have content all in one place and many are free for TV shows. How piss poor does your service have to be that you have to get other services that are already at a disadvantage closed down to get any customers.

    • Anyone

      piracy is a service issue

      • PelouzeTF

        Service issue ? so how come many sharing services link to material that’s been widely available for up to 30 years ?

        • Fredrika

          > “Service issue ? so how come many sharing services link to material that’s been widely available for up to 30 years ?”

          Because it’s not offered online elsewhere, with global availability, on a service that offers a wide variety of consumer friendly formats, for a prize that reasonably corresponds to the available assortment, a service that all users can use regardless of platform and Internet availability when playing the media, regardless of country of residence and possible payment options.

          A limited number of countries in the world offers a few authorized online services, with an extremely limited assortment of titles, ridiculously prized, with a number of artificial consumer hostile limitations regarding formats and platforms. The level of service from those jokes of a retailer comes no where near what piracy and current technology actually offers.

          Do you really not understand what service means from a consumer or customer perspective?

        • PelouzeTF

          Even if a service had all those options, there would be another list of reasons that some people would trot out as to why it’s not good enough.

          “it’s $5 a month, thats too expensive – they don’t have ever single piece of media know to man, I’m not paying !” etc etc.

          Could it just be that some people think they are entitled to their entertainment free ?

        • Fredrika

          > “Even if a service had all those options, there would be another list of reasons that some people would trot out as to why it’s not good enough.”

          I’m not interested in your guesses on issues you clearly know nothing about, which you demonstrated when you asked a question to which the answer was self explanatory.

          However, in reality, the fully legal site AllOfMP3, it’s later followers, the late ZML.com, and similar sites, have indeed proven that when you offer exactly what i described, customers will come in masses. Not one online retailer that has been authorized by the monopoly holders offer that, so why do you make such ludicrous claims when they haven’t even tried, and those who did try succeeded?

          > “”it’s $5 a month, thats too expensive – they don’t have ever single piece of media know to man, I’m not paying !” etc etc.”

          You seem confused. In reality it’s completely ok to reject a retailer for whatever reason you see fit. What you pay for when you visit a retailer offering the service of providing transference of information that your computer can use to manufacture copies, it’s a service of comfort you pay for. There has always been people that don’t see any point in paying for comfort, that would rather save the money in a true capitalistic manner, when the offered comfort service almost as easily can be achieved by other means, such as filesharing.

          If you believe the primary goal for an entrepreneur is going over a fabricated list of reasons for why some people on this planet might not buy your particular product, believing that they should out of principle, you are a worthless entrepreneur with delusions of grandeur. Focus on offering a product that meet the minimum criteria of your competition first, see how many customer’s that gets you, before you focus on completely irrelevant aspects of non-customers reasoning.

          > “Could it just be that some people think they are entitled to their entertainment free ?”

          Many different forms of entertainment is free. Among others, the act of in your own home enjoying intellectual works through your own physical property, that you own. Obviously people feel entitled to their own property.

          Secondly, for the last 150 years the norm in society has been free non-profit access to culture on a commercial scale, without any regards to opinions of creators or copyright holders, and without them being privileged with any compensation from such access. That’s nothing new or strange, so that’s a given that the same norm has found it way in to the filesharing community. There’s no proven reason for why it should be any other way.

          What is strange is that some weak entrepreneurs refuse to man up and operate on the free market, instead demanding the privilege to parasite on peoples property, through a legislative monopoly. That’s a rather disgusting fascistic free mentality, that people’s private property should be parasitized on to benefit an entrepreneur.

        • Pwet

          Plus, lots of MU users were paying the MU services, so that is not a question of money. As Fredrika said, people are ready to pay for a good service.

        • Guest

          Many people try to find rare material but the only way is to download it.

  • al

    HADOPI has no credibility. I wouldn’t believe them if they said the earth was round.

  • Gae

    And presumably the graph goes the opposite way if you used it to display french internet users ability to watch what they wanted to watch.

  • IzTATru

    hope not!

  • Goest

    i’m not surprised with the result. it’s just a bump that won’t change the real trend.

    the thing is that french people have a quite a poor knowledge of economics (so they are easy to get manipulated with ideas such as “copying is stilling”. A lot of french people strongly believe that).

    They are also used to have a pretty low level of service, compared with, say, the US or other western countries.

    So to round it up, they are used to get screwed in the a*s by the govts and business, and are quite obediant with that.

  • Robert

    use ipodah.net (hadopi backwards, skru them)

  • Wyrm

    Hotfile has another problem that could explain its downward trend: it’s under heavy fire by MPAA / RIAA in a trial (where it also replied by showing the abuse of DMCA request from Universal). This does not inspire much confidence in its future, so many people might feel great “giving” their files to a service that might disappear anytime.

  • http://twitter.com/arron62 arron

    sales of Hemorrhoid cream went through the roof too
    is that related to megaupload closing down?

    how about interest rates, mortgage rates, loan rates?

    • Blah

      Correlation doesn’t imply causation.

      • Skoolingu

         There are ways to tease causation out of correlation.  When these ways are used appropriately, you actually do get a true causal answer.  And statistically illiterate morons like you still come around throwing out “correlation is not causation” as if it somehow invalidates the study.

        You have no idea how stupid you sound right now by throwing that sentence out like it’s a magic wand against arguments you don’t like. 

        If you want to improve you game, explain why the correlation that was shown may not be causal. 

        If you don’t believe the data, that’s fine. 

        On the other hand, if the data are real, it’s hard to explain why these services which receive such a fast and large spike right after the Megaupload shutdown (12 days following).  If something else caused it, it would have to be awfully coincidental.

        Perhaps you could mention that you’d like to see what the trend in traffic for these legal services looked like in the days before hte shutdown, to see if this increase is merely a continuation of a prior growth trend or if it represents a discrete increase just following the shutdown.

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  • Goosmoo

    I’m not buying it. hahaha I made a funny.

    I think this is just propaganda. As for me, the only change since MU went down is my newsgroup usage skyrocketed.

  • tonyj

    “Megaupload Shutdown Boosted TV and VOD Services”

    Really!? You don’t think it’s due to sun spots or a recovering economy?

  • tonyj

    So now Hadopi, the French agency, has become the propaganda arm of the so called “Legitimate Media” business.

    • MadAsASnake

      Become? Always were.

  • Anonymous

    Another illusion to justify that their take down was worthy….Yet they don’t know if other services had a boost in traffic. They’re simply idiots. Those users who were never customers and used megavideo would never be customers anyway – they’ll just go to pirate bay and sort it out.

  • foff

    What I can say is that after watching all shows in high definition sans commercials I really am not a fan of Hulu or any online service that streams shows in crappy resolution with commercials. If I could not find a download source I might try an online service in a pinch but I would never stay. I will say online netflix works well for kids because quality is not important and they can watch stuff anytime over and over again and saves me the trouble of downloading it. But I am not impressed with netflix for an adult audience. I watch a broad range of stuff from action movies to manga something which no online service will ever offer due to the greed of the copyright holders so we will have to download to full fill our desires for the foreseeable future.

  • Zig

    Percentage data is meaningless without the actual numbers that those percentages represent. But then that’s the point isn’t it?

    If there has been an 85% increase in traffic to premium VOD sites, but there were previously only 12 users per month, then you’re looking at an additional 10.2 visitors per month. Woooooo, massive growth (/sarcasm).

    However, if a site like YouTube (which has been conveniently left out of the presented results) sees an 85% increase in traffic in the same time and YouTube has 120 million users per month, then that means they’ve now got an additional 102 million users per month. Genuinely massive growth.

    So without full data, it’s just another bullshit spin story.

    • Zig

      (btw: before anyone points out that YouTube actually has visitors per month, I wasn’t citing actual numbers, I was using obvious extremes to demonstrate the preposterous nature of simply citing percentages without the actual numerical data to back that up)

  • Blf

    “…reported a 20% rise in sales on their VOD platform since the closure of Megaupload”

    Where is the rest of the 80%?

    • Anyone

      on TPB

  • Fredthefaillord

    Idiots on MU hadn’t heard of the pirate bay…

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Yeah, we did…. it’s just that MegaUpload offered CONSISTENTLY better download speeds than torrents.

      Since the faggotry of “We are going to limit free downloads to X speed to piss off pirates!” started, I’ve pretty much gone back to torrents which are now FASTER than download services.

  • ndmushroom

    Did those HADOPI genii realize that Allostreaming also shut down a few days before MU was taken offline? For some strange reason I have a feeling that the disappearance of a popular french streaming site might have more to do with the rise in other streaming sites than the MU case.

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  • LikeDudeWtf

    right … i can see by the answers i don’t really need to explain this but anyone who is even remotely familiar with ‘the scene’ will know that this is utter bollocks and pro-paganda Hadopi-side. Taking down one channel like megaupload leaves what? a few thousand others? How this could lead to a direct increase of as much as 26% is pretty much unbelievable and very improbable so they have probably been very creative in their interpretaion of the numbers. It is and will remain a sad fact that the majority of people just swallow this kind of shit without thinking so i guess it’s up to the rest of us to keep them well-informed, at least the ones who’d listen. I don’t know if there’s even one tenth of ‘the people’ worth fighting for, if you’re down, most of them would just kick you a little deeper in the mud and howl with the rest of the hyenas at the moon so as not to stand out and get noticed. Sad, but true

  • VeryTired

    Way to prove that these idiots were right about piracy cutting into media profits. -.-’ Morons.

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