By reading your respond you are the dammaged one You need help.

By the way who told you u can get out of your cave ?

the man cultivated an image of persecution, so that damaged, needy, unstable people like you would feed in to it, the only thing he wanted was your worship oh and your cash

GROW UP

wether you like it or not these are people opinions, no one has to convince you…and more so statements of children who where present

@129 you think he personally met everyone who went to his lair?

children who are coached to make false allegations of this nature are easily caught out by trained professionals, any psychologist trained/specializing in the field of abuse will also tell you that victims use particular language and patterns when describing events of abuse, this case (the 1st) the defendant was involved with all these agencies ( i believe its a legal requirement) pre-trial and the case proceeded

how many times, there was REAl proof not insinuations or dubious circumstantial evidence (although there has been years worth of circumstantial evidence)obtained by experts in their fields and was presented in a court of law, which did not come to a conclusion as it was circumvented by a settlement agreement, therefore negating any need for the court to pass judgment and sentence

and before you bleat – show me the money- routine, go look yourself that way no ones imposing their view on you, delicate creature that you seem to be.

you’ll see soon enough as it all creeps out, now the guy’s passed on, with legal treats removed.

i mean so far we’ve had direct quotes from a long time nanny (over a decade with the family) citing that his OWN children where terrified of him, he was emotional distant from them, and thought it was hilarious to regularly pretend he was dead around them – what a guy/role model

Translation:

There was never real evidence against MJ so he walked away and ignored all the others that after the first one did try to milk it for more LoL

Hey Mulder bring us some real proof that we can all agree is incontestable and no one will doubt you any more but relying on “I want to believe in the kids” are just not going to cut it because assumptions, theories and suspicions are not really proof of any wrong doing they are for the most part the fruits from are own bias towards something.

There is Criminal & Civil Courts. Only a DA (ADA,AG,Etc) can bring Criminal charges. A person can bring a Civil case only for $$$$$.

A person would get no warning just a lot of cops breaking down the door. No time to remove evidence. A Celebrity would be told in advance they are coming. Plenty of time to remove evidence.

The standard for arrest,search or other warrants is much higher for a celebrity as judges and others are afraid of what may happen if they are wrong. The huge lawsuits from said celebrity.

The DA’s (ADA,AG,etc) require not “Beyond Reasonable Doubt” but “2,000% Proof”. They will not bring a case unless they have this proof. First, the Big $$$ Lawyers (ie O.J. Case) can find any little “crack” in the evidence and exploit it. Second, Mindless people who think “This great celebrity could not have done that!” are extremely hard to convince. The think this Celebrity who has done so much good “Blah Blah Blah BS” should not have to go to jail. So even if they think s/he did it they will not apply anything serious to the Celeb.

It is easier to get evidence into a Civil case than a Criminal one. Add to that the above that they will not put the Celeb in Jail, but they will dole out a cash award.

Bottom line is people have *No Choices* about Jail time etc. They can only pray that a DA (ADA,AG,Etc) will prosecute the case. In addition if someone is found to be at fault in a Civil trial that can help a Criminal trial. So winning a Civil case before any Criminal case is filed can make it easier for that Criminal case.

People can settle for any number of reasons, they feel the money is enough to make a point to the accused, maybe the case is not that strong, maybe they feel no jury will award anything because of Celeb status, and probably the reason most are settled their attorney said “I will not take this case to court this is the most $$$ we (sic I will) will get” (since they usually get a % of the award, unless it is done pro bono, which is rare). So no attorney no court day! So in the end most people just settle since they have little real options.

At the end of the end of the day people can say He did or did not do it. But all those little kids who are unrelated to each other, who where at neverland at different times and who say the same thing. I don’t believe the lawyers, the parents, the media, but what I do believe is the kids. The more you add up the coincidences the more it becomes less likely to be a fabrication.

just like when the catholic ministers got busted (several yrs ago)there was always a lot of cases not just 1 or 2… if mj committed these crimes there would have been a lot more cases… only 1 or 2 tells me these where money hungry ppl…

&104 you have a warped mind my friend… on all aspects…Mother Teressa was given more meadea from where i stand then Diana ever got in regards to whom they where and what they did…u are a fool to say u are supporting child abuse by buying his music… so now u say his whole family is child abusers as well? because the money no longer goes into jackson hands…

and the RIAA to the Mafia.. im sorry u can not see the relation there… the RIAA preforms as if it is a gov agency when it is nothing more then a company! when a company takes on this characteristic there is something wrong with our gov if it goes unchecked and thus far it has… no one has empowered the RIAA as a law body of the USA yet they have bribed unconstitutional laws into enforcement… even though laws are sometimes written to criminalize a thing for a time does not make everyone a criminal… but in ur eyes bad things only happen to bad ppl? for laws to change to better the individual there must always be some major circumstances happening to remove that power from the rich… such as the the companies that contract the RIAA… they have been rich pigs for too many years… their days are numbered! their whole purpose is obvious they see the threat of the sharing on line not for the loss of sales but for the exact opposite… but to ppl that are not enslaved to them (the contracted companies of the RIAA)!!!

R.I.P the King Of Pop you live forever.

119 Jun 27, 2009 at 21:24 by me2

@ 117 ***yawn*** play with the words all you want,my points stand, care to do some reading on court transcripts, and proffessional evidence gathering on the case, i believe the only thing you have achieved is underlining the need for birth control

You will believe in what you want to believe and that is your right, but until you can prove it without a doubt with hard evidence of any wrong doing you just can’t go and be assertive of his guilt or anyone else for that matter. Do it in another fashion let room for other explanation or face the very real possibility of being made a fool in public.

What you remind me is something that happens everyday all around the world, people loose things and are certain that somebody did it and accuse that person of doing something wrong only to discover the missing item in somewhere else they put it in and forgot about it.

That is why I want to see proof before saying anything and that is why without a smoking gun I have very strong reservations about this type of comments that state a suspicion or theory as true facts and have no evidence to back it up.

Agree or disagree, its up to you, but its over anyway (even with the courts etc) and he’s gone now. Deal with it or cry about it (your choice).

RIP, MJ

Peace

http://www.p2pfinder.com/torrents/Michael-Jackson.html

Incredible life an work

@56. You say MJ didn’t do anything to contribute to music, how myopic and laced in bs you are. I’ll enlighten you.

Before MJ, there was no one who could both, compose, sing and dance to his own music, (apart from James Brown). MJ established the music video as a powerful thing, to push music into peoples minds with Thriller. Before Thriller, no one bothered to put so much effort and creativity into a music video, and this is why its held as a benchmark that transform how we think about music. There’d probably be no more MTV and other music channels without him.

His amazing dancing is celebrated and influences many artists, who before could just sing, but not dance for shit. Through choreographers who have learned his dance techniques over the years, a singer that can’t dance, can now incorporate the two together, making a better performance for the people if they choose to do so. Thus, dance choreography is a big part of music like never before. Look at Usher, JT as examples, even if you don’t like them.

Before MJ, no other artist had managed to meld so many different styles of music into his work either. He did, motown, soul, pop, rock, dance etc. The only other person who comes this close is Madonna, who in similarity to MJ and Prince, also pioneered the concept of artistic reinvention of ones self.

As for the alledged peado stuff, I don’t believe he did anything wrong inappropriate, but the way society works, in a global media laced world more aware of paedophiles, is to mistrust, judge and condemn, and an accusation is enough. If there was conclusive evidence to suggest him of such abuse, beyond a reasonable doubt, and also baring the kind of unique person MJ was (lets face it, he was uniquely weird, among anyone on the planet), then I’d believe it. MJ was stupid and in his child like way learned the hard way, and was forver trapped in ‘the hedgehogs dilemma.’ Like a new kid at school, he wants to make friends, but has been burned before many times, so is reluctant. When he achieved any friendships, his loneliness more than likely painted him in a very desperate, negative light.

Famous child molesters like Gary Glitter are ofcourse, without a doubt, just that. GG possessed a huge collection of child porn, something 99% of paedos usually have. MJ had some porn (most adults do at some point in their lives) but none of it was kiddie porn (go and check if you must). MJ even had some bizarre granny porn, which was quite funny at the time, but no kid stuff. GG once he was convicted and served time, went back to his paedo ways afterwards. No sign of such behaviour from MJ, as he learned a valuable lesson. Be careful who you trust, even kids and their parents.

As for MJ, I think he ended up in the trap many of us fear in life, which is being lonely, on a mountain of his success and money. These things mean little or nothing, if you don’t have anyone to share them with. I guess its a good thing he had some kids to continue his legacy, no matter the bizarrely they were conceived.

The positive aspects of MJs demise are that, those who might not have listened to all of his music will possibly now do so. Hey, I’m 31 and even I haven’t heard all of it, as not all of it has been cut onto albums. Investingating his early work, is a real bit of time traveling fun.

Lastly, I feel the truth will come out about the allegations, and hopefully clear his name in everyone’s mind for good. Those who are enjoying his money, are now more inclined to speak out (unless applied conditions stop them). Again to us well/better rounded adults, a huge pay off may have seemed like an admition of guilty, but MJ was not a well rounded adult like us and never has been. In his fragile state and forever childlike mindset, it might have seemed like a good idea. But in a post OJ world, it again looked bad, that those with money get away with everything.

I think it would have been more of a tragedy, had MJ dies in jail, had things gone badly.

The lot of child actors/stars rarely ends up well, and MJ was another casualty. Broken family, too much money and not enough sense are classic traits. Feel free to google child stars and where they are now. The temptations of success and its trappings usually take them down dark paths, where many do not escape, kudos to those that do.

The moral of this story, is for parents of stars to not be such assholes. We need only look at Brittany Spears to see what can happen to a star, if the media wolves are allowed to get their bites, in the wake of family n’friend fallout. With stable supporting, non asshole parents or parent, those that young seeds stand the chance of florishing against the odds. Recent examples, you can look around to see.

So, a word to the wise. If you plan on making your child a star, be prepared, don’t be an asshole, listen to your kids as well as advising them, and don’t forget to be a parent. A dangerous world of drugs, booze and fake friends are waiting to exploit them. Sure, the power obtained through fame can corrupt, to a degree of splitting a family (as happened with MJ and others), but education can help here, by learning from the experiences of those that have success then fall from grace, to drugs etc.

Evidence against MJ, now, I’d like to hear/see. Now he’s dead, don’t you think those that have alledgedly been done wrong, would step forward and use such proof? They won’t because they don’t have anything tangible, and if they do have any, they are just as guilty as MJ, for witholding it and taking any payment over such allegations. They might as well rent their kids out for abuse, yet no one ever mentions this. Out of sight more than MJ, I guess.

Truth is humans are greedy. If offered life changing money, all of us here would back down too, and if you wouldn’t you are indeed a saint. Most of us will never experience such options, for an easier life, so its easy to say you wouldn’t take the cash.

I wonder what Jordy Chandler is thinking right now, as he sips champagne? Not much I bet, except a twinge of guilt maybe. Can’t wait til he gets interviewed.

Whatever happens, even if some still think of MJ as guilty, IMO, he earned his spurs over 45 years of hard work (stars these days don’t last that long), despite his broken personal life. He gave a lot and took very little for himself. Few of us, will live to achieve what he did in our lifetimes.

In death, I forgive him for all his crazy, stupid bs, because the good by far outweighs the bad.

MJ and Gary Glitter, are poles, neigh galaxies apart in talent and crazy personal life bs.

Now, I wonder if I can actually get some MJ albums still. Everywhere is selling out, I think. Might have to torrent some.

100 Jun 27, 2009 at 13:20 by me

@95 what are you sniffing?

first was a question not an accusation.

I’m not responsible for your bad punctuation saying otherwise.

and the following based on Factual reports of his behaviour with minors, such as pyjama parties, sleeping in the same bed as an minor (unrelated), showing pornography to a minor, plying or enciting a minor to drink alcohol, exposing his genitalia to a minor – do u wish me to go on?

Really did you saw the evidence? was you there? anybody have physical evidence and the “right” context for that evidence?
Because if you don’t the only thing you are is somebody that jump to conclusions based in flimsy allegations and you probably will swear that it is true even don’t have one piece of hard proof of what you say and that says a lot about your character. Resuming you are part of the problem being an EMO guy who looses the rational part off his brain when talking about things he identify with it…oops! I hope you were not molested as a child.

with his vast wealth/power he has access to the best atorneys, do you think for one moment was he innocent they would have not have forced a conclusion in court?

If I give you an answer to that question the only thing I would have done is jump to a conclusion to which I have no way of knowing for certain.

thus leaving their clients character unflawed and yes, a more profitable one for him and other companies to exploit, any other outcome was career and financial suicide, no doubt in my mind this was explained to him, but he still chose to settle.

Again you conclude something for what you have no way of knowing the reasons behind. Because you can’t imagine any other outcome or reason it doesn’t mean it does not have a different reason there are other possiblities that are in the realm of the possible but you seem inclined to ignore all possibilities except one why?

Could he not be:

- Just tired of all the bad attention?.

- be afraid of a hostile environment?

How could you possibly know what went through his mind? was you there in court? did you get a sense of the climate? Have you been living with the guy and know how he thinks?

I don’t and I will not pretend to understand people. One thing that I do know is people do dumb things for dumb reasons all the time and it doesn’t matter who you are.

he displayed well documented predatory pedophile behaviour, and dont give me the crap he was childlike – again he would have many ‘advisors’ telling him that this was not advisable behaviour towards or with children, and he continued to perpetrate these actions, ultimately ending up with another law action against him involving another minor

Care to prove that to us please. I’m not in the habit of believing people solely on their word there are people who just lie you know.

had he no wealth there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind he would be doing time for child molestation

That maybe or could have gone the other way to because much of what you cited as proof was circumstantial evidence that do not point to criminal behavior maybe inappropriate but not criminal and all the “alleged facts” like touching as far as I know it were never proved.

The kid could be lying and we will never know as we will never know why a father of a molested child would settle for money instead of jail time.

Wow revolution should definitely try to get the “most fcked in the @ss award”.

WHAT?? O.O

Has MJ ever been convicted? If not, he’s innocent. And

allegations are assertions without proof

(source wiki)

thats what courts of law are for ..right? like the one he dodged…

all the perverts that have been convicted of this horrible crime this year, where you there? No but they were still convicted none the less…on evidence, something that was brought to his trial by the relevant authorities.
once the settlement was agreed by both parties, the case was dropped – IRRESPECTIVE of the FACTS in evidence

have you actually seen the volume of alegations against this man over many many years (not just the high profile ones seen in the media)

and all involve highly dubious (at best) relationships/behaviour with/towards children

there is no doubt that this mans socialization was bad (no pun intended) and to that extent a have pity towards him, but his actions were concious choices on his part and imo can in no way resemble normal social behaviour towards minors from an adult

What Michael Jackson did for Pop Music:

1. The style and quality of the “Billie Jean” video forced white racist ran MTV networks to accept
the fact that Black Artist were viable commodities, and could bring in revenue more so than the re-runs of Billy Idol and Led Zepplin they played day in and day out.

2. Michael Jackson’s superstar concert tours
( Thriller tour, and Victory tour) showed that
Black Artists could and do sell out hugely
large venue, and his showmanship
in his concerts meant that other Artists
had to take it to the next level,
in competing with the pyrotechnics, the
dancers, the set production, etc.

RIP Michael Jackson the King of Pop who
changed the landscape of Popular music
in these ways and more. Respect due.

now go back to stealing his works and
get off your soapboxes people…..

I mean, there was so much going on around this case that’s the truth was lost from the start.

I can’t belieive all this hype about a dead child molester and child abuser that gets away with his crimes with money he made out of children. Farah Fawsett-Majors died but she gets only a passing mention.

The same thing happened with Lady Diane Spencer (adulterer) and Mother Teresa (Greatest saviour of namkind), Mother Teresa only got a passing mention as well.

When Gary Glitter dies will they praise him as a great humanitarian etc, When really he was a pervert.

If you buy Micheal Jackson products you buy into Child abuse and molestation may be even organised child prostitution rings, Who knows?

A similar thing that was reported regarding Piracy, that buying pirate dvds is paying into the Mafia and organised crime.

Hmmm. I wonder whether they will burn or bury, Burning would no doubt produce too many toxins and burying, he’d have to be bio-degradable.

Too many Hypocritical people in this world!!!!

New Best selling books
Crippen’s Guide to Good Food.
Mansons’ Guide to Kidnapping and Murder.
Fred West’s Guide to Patios.
Micheal Jackson’s Guide to Child rearing.

Sorry about being so Glib But just because someone has money it does not mean he is a god…..

you will never in ur life see more popular and unpopular ppl a like morn this mans death…no one… u can add up all the ppl u know personally and none of them will receive a measure of respect the likes of what jackson will receive..this man has earned and will get!!!
no one mans life has affected the whole world as he has save Christ alone…not even elvis…

if u think his death affects millions ur wrong… he will get sympathy from over a billion + ppl around the world! the likes mankind has never seen… they are already reaching out… a lot of internet sites crashed just from the traffic of the news…

;-)

We will always love u mike

first was a question not an accusation.

and the following based on Factual reports of his behaviour with minors, such as pyjama parties, sleeping in the same bed as an minor (unrelated), showing pornography to a minor, plying or enciting a minor to drink alcohol, exposing his genitalia to a minor – do u wish me to go on?

with his vast wealth/power he has access to the best atorneys, do you think for one moment was he innocent they would have not have forced a conclusion in court?

thus leaving their clients character unflawed and yes, a more profitable one for him and other companies to exploit, any other outcome was career and financial suicide, no doubt in my mind this was explained to him, but he still chose to settle.

he displayed well documented predatory pedophile behaviour, and dont give me the crap he was childlike – again he would have many ‘advisors’ telling him that this was not advisable behaviour towards or with children, and he continued to perpetrate these actions, ultimately ending up with another law action against him involving another minor

had he no wealth there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind he would be doing time for child molestation

do you honestly think by looking at someone and their actions you can tell if they are a molester?

You started so well and then you go on, an accused a men of doing something based on his behavior LoL

and he shirked it, why, because he was GUILTY

Well maybe he settled because feel it’s better to send an innocent man to jail than to put a child at risk, people are not reasonable we you talk about kids, people seems to loose the rational part of their brains is like it ceases to function LoL

Here an example of kiddy porn paranoia:

http://techdirt.com/articles/20090625/1851225365.shtml