Mininova Faces Legal Action: Filter or Else
Written by Ernesto on May 19, 2008No torrent site on earth is more popular than Mininova. Surprisingly, however, all the legal pressure seems to have been focused on sites such as The Pirate Bay. Mininova - against all the odds - appears to have stayed under the radar. All that changed today as Mininova is now facing legal action by Dutch anti-piracy agency, BREIN.
BREIN, the Dutch anti-piracy outfit responsible for shuttering or forcing torrent sites such as Demonoid overseas, has announced that it will take BitTorrent-behemoth Mininova to court. BREIN hopes the court will force Mininova to filter its search results, so that all .torrent files which may point to unauthorized content are removed.
Mininova is currently the largest BitTorrent site with over 30 million unique visitors per month. Mininova displays user submitted torrents and carries legitimate premium content from publishers such as CBC. Unlike The Pirate Bay, the site does not have their own BitTorrent tracker.
It transpires that BREIN and Mininova have been secretly trying to reach a mutually beneficial agreement for more than a year now, but when one side believes they are acting within the law and the other side believes the opposite, a legal clash seems inevitable.
Erik Dubbelboer, one of the co-founders of Mininova, told TorrentFreak that Mininova will not cave in to pressure from BREIN. He expects to have more details about the upcoming lawsuit later this week: “We will proceed to court with full confidence. We operate within the law, as we maintain our ‘notice and take down’ policy. That is, we remove search results if a copyright holder asks us to.”
Sites like YouTube operate in a similar manner - if the site receives a demand from a copyright holder that it should take content down, it does so under its DMCA obligations and there is no further action. Mininova doesn’t even host any unauthorized content, only .torrent files, which should make it even less of a target than YouTube. Typically, BREIN doesn’t see it that way.
Tim Kuik, managing director of BREIN, said that Mininova’s business model is based on illegal activity. “A notice and take down procedure is absolutely insufficient for a site that makes use of unauthorized files, structurally and systematically,” he added.
The announced legal action will focus on the question whether Mininova has to filter their search results or not. BREIN wants Mininova to install such a filter, Mininova on the other hand doesn’t want to censor the search results. The outcome of the case is likely to have a huge impact on the future of other BitTorrent sites, and even sites such as Google and YouTube.
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the bittorrent war goes on…
And Ill keep fighting
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All can happen these days in Holland.
All our rights here are already being “filtered” by Balkenende and his STASI … (Hirsch-Balin, Rouvoet, etc.)
@enigmax
the same problem we had yesterday…
Mininova is the best search engine out there. But i would still prefer if they had a proper tracker too
Where can I nominate for “21th centurys worst (or totally fucked up screwed) organizations”?
I have some nominees:
RIAA, MPAA, IFPI, BREIN
Continue the list?
CRIA the canucklap dog of the CRIA,
actra bunch a whiney MPAA actors in canada.
Anyone else….
they really suck, they can shove their courtcase up theirs.
if they win this case they have proven only proven 1 single thing, that the juristic system is freely adjustable to one’s own liking. justice should remain justice and laws should not be changed cause a private organisation wants it. one cannot illegally force their will upon millions of others!!!
MININOVA, SUE THEM BACK AND SUE THEIR ASSES OFF
Awesome news, about time this happened.
Go BREIN Woot woot woot!
Well, no list of patheticness would be complete without our favorite legal firm, the WEB SHERIFF! That dude is so awesome, he even teams with Michael Jackson and Prince. Wicked!
lol. take google to court for linking to files, now that would be epic.
I would like to think that Google have already prepared their case and have allocated some of their funds towards legal fees ready to take out all these cencorship and copyright infringement cases. Once they blow them out the water we’re free.
I can’t believe the ugliness and pretentiousness of these self-centred moronic groups who insist on trying to cripple Internet progress for everyone. How dare they!? Who do they think they are? Search engines can’t be responsible for everything users do. They provide a great service in indexing sites by automated means, nothing more. It is not their responsibility to police and monitor every linked item, nor would it be possible.
If they could manage to filter out everything copyrighted, nothing would be left. Utterly preposterous and unrealistic.
Ultimate defense:
- “Sir, where did the copyright infringement occur?”
– “He downloaded a torrent”
- “Sir, can you watch a torrent?”
– “No”
- “Can you listen to a torrent?”
– “No”
- “Can you read a torrent?”
– “No, but-”
- “But you brought all of us here for nothing but your own greed without any proof that copyright infringement took place. If thats the case, why isn’t google or yahoo sitting next to us as co-defendents? How about Microsoft”
– “Because they’re search engines”
- “So are we”
– “No you aren’t, you host infringing content!”
- “No sir, we don’t. Do we need to go back over it? We’ve established that you cannot watch a 10kilobyte meta file. Your honor I move for this case to be dismissed without prejudice and the opposing party render all attorney and court fees.”
— “Granted”.
Maybe users could host their own torrents? That’d stuff em up. Or put them on sites or file storage where they can still be searched for, and always available. Is this not possible?
Tiny little torrents. Love ‘em!
@ May 19, 2008 at 13:34 by Anonymous
“Your honor I move for this case to be dismissed without prejudice”
Actually you would ask for dismissal WITH prejudice so the other party can’t bring the same action again once it is dismissed.
Note that IANALBIRNYCLR!
(I am not a lawyer but I read New York Country Lawyer regularily)
Move the server to a far away place! Brein can’t touch y’all outside of Holland or the E.U.!
@13
“If they could manage to filter out everything copyrighted, nothing would be left.”
Uh, yeah. That’s the whole problem with Bittorrent search engines and trackers to begin with. If the majority of search results contained data that was licensed under creative commons, GPL or public domain, or otherwise freely available, no one would have a problem with them.
If the pirate community believes so strongly in what they are doing, and of the benefits of p2p, they should ban copyrighted material from their search results, and use p2p to demonstrate how musicians and film studios who allow their work to be distributed for free benefit from having their work distributed for free. The RIAA, CRIA, etc. can’t bother you then. Let the two ideologies fight it out.
This is how the FSF, GNU and the Linux communities have worked (via GPL), and they are slowly taking over. If Linux was just a mashup of other peoples’ copyrighted code, it would be long dead.
damn, if the anti-piracy terrorists win.. its really bad..
The industry appear to be now increasingly demanding and vocal toward our political governments and anti-piracy groups. It’s all too obvious that they are sharing information and strategies across borders and conspiring to manipulate or bribe our political processes.
Expecting this for a long time.
Youtube hosts a plethora of copyright material and should be taken down prior to any action against torrent sites hosting . torrent files
Effin arbitary, bias bastards
And to think brein actually is the dutch for brains…
“filter search” is useless cause how do you know whether this filename is actually contain the copyrights material .
a mystery to me that why label want to waste money to feed a bunch of fools in BREIN. I wonder what kind of education people in there have .
Absolutely no copyrighted material is on Mininova’s servers. Absolutely no copyrighted material goes through Mininova’s servers. Therefore, they do not infringe on anyone’s copyright.
BREIN Dude, You are Fucked UP :)
You don’t know who you’ve Chosen :P
Really, you are Fucked UP ! ! !
Your reputation will be 0. you will see….
To be continue…
@ Ultimate Defence
GOLD!!!!!
“the site does not have their own BitTorrent tracker.”
I know what Ernesto means, but technically not true…the Content Distribution stuff (featured torrents on front page) is tracked by tracker.mininova.org.
It seems the whole world has gone back to the old tech stifling conservative ways.I thought we had a good run of moving forward and now we go back. Places like Holland and Sweden that were the only places on earth with “Sane” laws are no also going backward. It’s all so stupid and comes down to politicians wanting to get their face in the paper. So instead of doing something that matters for the majority of poor folk they stick their dicks in the middle of something they know nothing about. It only serves to help the 1% minority or the rich. This is why I hate politicians and big government. All fucking liars and con men.
If they have to filter results, so do google.. this is an outrage.
Mininova is no different than Google in terms of being a search engine of content. Mininova happens to receive content only from contributing users, while Google goes and steals it from other web sites.
Google really needs to get sued, win, and then stupid lawsuits would be permanently squashed.
Scott - its not any sort of open tracker. It’s closed, and only for certain types of work, that would not be affected by these claims (directly anyway)
(FWIW, one of our researchers is also one of the torrent moderators there, and he helped write the ‘Understanding Copyright Enforcement‘ piece a week ago, based on a mininova forum post we co-wrote.
Fail
What mininova could do is start filtering stuff from private trackers. Or indicating it more strongly than just a small red gif of the letter P somewhere on the right… like marking the entire row a shade of red or something.
Oh Lordy
I’ll back Mininova all the way, heck, I’ll even donate them money to fight those fu(k3r$
They only talk about shuting down torrent sites, they never talk about RapidShare!!!
Pirate in my heart,
pirate in my soul,
take everything you can
and share it all!!!
Brein vs Mininova in court for the first time and last time;
Mininova: You don’t need to see our identification.
Brein: We don’t need to see their identification.
Minanova: These aren’t the torrents your looking for.
Brein: These aren’t the torrents were looking for.
Mininova: Let them go. Move along. Move along.
Brein: Let them go. Move along. Move along.
Mininova: You are Michael Jackson’s secret lover and will go see him in a public bathroom and make out now.
Brein: I’m Michael Jackson’s secret lover and will go see him in a public bathroom and make out now.
@ Belligerent Engine,
how would that help anything relevant to this discussion? private trackers also host only meta files, and are not necessarily copyrighted material.
But, i hope this goes all the way and quickly!, with Mininova as the victor .
if this goes bad and mininova does have to ‘filter’ its searches the site will die and pretty quickly too. also i dont think this type of ruling will affect google/youtube, for one, no one is complaining to the courts about google/youtube (well not anymore)and there business model is not biased on copyright distribution, which is from what i gather, is what BREIN is saying.
tbh im more interested in the TPB case, after all Mininova only searches/trawls proper BT sites. < these guys are the heroes, the trackers and the the seeders,
i just use Torrent Harvester to search public trackers
http://www.download.com/Torrent-Harvester/3000-2196_4-10504489.html
anyway good luck mininova, another pie in the face for copyright enforcement! :P
@19: Even stuff with CC and GPL (and other such licenses) are covered by copyright. So your point on that is mute.
What I would want to see is that all copyrighted works show what license
they are distributed. That would cut down ambigiouty.
I suppose I sound like a broken record, because this is how I feel:
You get paid for doing your job that year - making a Hollywood movie, being a senator, playing hockey, whatever - and that’s it. You don’t keep getting paid for work you did last year. You don’t keep getting paid for work you did 10 years ago. You just do your job, get paid, and go on with life. This whole “royalties” thing is B.S.
So, if all the people involved have already been paid for their work, why keep paying them?
I guess if you were taking some possession of theirs and making it yours, you should do an equal trade, “Here’s $5 for a dvd”; trade is over, everybody is happy. Goods have been exchanged, and there is no net loss of goods.
But in filesharing, you get a file and deprive them of: nothing. You deprive them of the following good, which they no longer have, and you have: _______ . Wait - there IS no net loss !!! They don’t lose anything, and YOU don’t owe them for anything!!!
So, why in HELL is filesharing illegal again? The creators have already been paid, and no goods are being transferred !!!!
BTW, I’m all for paying a content creator for their work (if it is good work and you choose to aquire it); but when they abuse their privilege of giving, justice indicates its completely fair for you to abuse your privilege of taking.
And if they completely abuse their giving privilege (300%-10,000+% overcharge, denial of any legal right to possession for a product you intend to and pay to possess, vicious hatred + legal attacks + financial attacks on any fans who put their money where their mouth is in defying this dinosaur monopoly), I think it is completely fair for the fan to abuse his taking privilege (take what he wants, pay for the best 1% of the material).
To say nothing of freedom. The media in North America has been bought and paid for since more than 20 years ago. The last refuge was the internet, which is fairly actively censored (try downloading a movie via public ftp); the last sub-refuge is the sub-internet: p2p.
Thank God for the pirate bay:
“We’re proud to present a new service - baywords.com. Because of the need of freedom of speech and secure hosting facility of the words being said we could not agree to how people behave towards bloggers.
Many blogs are being shut down for uncomfortable thoughts and ideas. We will not do that. Our goal is to protect freedom of speech and your thoughts. As long as you don’t break any Swedish laws in your blog, we will defend it.”
http://baywords.com/
I think this is far scarier to any and all establishments than filesharing could ever be, but they will both be attacked with the same prejudice.
And thank you community/coders/developers, for doing what the rest of us are technically incapable of: standing up, working hard, defending the masses.
I hear a lot of people going “if mininova has to filter results, so should google”
have you ever stopped to think that would be like a wet dream come true for the MAFIAA terrorists?
because more people use google to find torrents anyway, and most people end up finding mininova BECAUSE of google.
example:
user searches for a movie: (lets give it a fabricated title that would be a hit if it ever came out) “movie RIAA and MPAA sons of whores .torrent”
Results from google point to mininova, TPB (of course) and then all the rest… maybe using the same approach the future of torrent indexing sites is not to any links to the actual torrent but instead display a page that says:
“RIAA and MPAA sons of whores” found on thepiratebay and link directly to the first page of TPB… that way, its just like google… while google even links to specific pages… future torrent sites are taking it one step _behind_ and just linking to the torrent sites index page… once there the user types “RIAA and MPAA sons of whores” into the search field and downloads it from the results…
What do you guys think?
Cheers!
http://www.ezee.se/
BREIN, go, get a BRAIN!
I realise they have to be seen to be doing something and the **AA cannot simply let it lie, but surely they must realise that this is a losing battle, they simply cannot win.
The one thing I have noticed is that there are still a lot of big places, Mini, TPB, etc, for the plebs, but there are a lot more specialist closed shops, running SSL trackers for us seasoned pro torrenters. “The tighter you squeeze your grip, the more etc” well you know the rest of the quote!
The distribution cost of electronic media is zero.
Mininova helps users to find this media.
If the dutch courts want to stop the electronic distribution of media they should un-invent the internet.
Otherwise they can’t win especially with open source java friend to friend anonymous p2p file sharing sites growing in number e.g. Dargens http://www.Dargens.com .
This one has been a long time coming. The cozy arrangement that Mininova has had with BREIN has seen BREIN chasing off most of their competitors. Now they have at last turned on Mininova.
They claim they are just indexers, yet they have active moderation and encourage uploading of torrent links.
Mininova’s past arrogance has left them at risk, shame, but it was inevitable.
Go Mininova!
Show those scumbags what the torrent world is made of!
@19 - Uh and 13 - C Urchin
as we have already established, torrent files are not copyrighted, therefore torrent sites need not “ban copyrighted material from their search results”, since there is no copyrighted material to ban.
OMG i hope they never die Mininova is the best torrent website in the world. I can’t believe this is happening they should start asking for donations to their website. Pray
http://www.mininova.org/tor/1379457
–Robb Topolski
isohunt >>>>>>>>> mininova in my book, less moderation and user comments but a lot of more hits
> “If the pirate community believes so strongly in what they are doing, and of the benefits of p2p, they should ban copyrighted material from their search results, and use p2p to demonstrate how musicians and film studios who allow their work to be distributed for free benefit from having their work distributed for free. The RIAA, CRIA, etc. can’t bother you then. Let the two ideologies fight it out.”
We like to share. Copyright is in the way of sharing, so we don’t recognize copyright.
@Dave: That’s true, but as long as we’re discussing Mininova… and besides, the elitism of private sites gives me teh hives.
their domain is registered at godaddy. case closed.
I laugh at these people…really. Date and software will ALWAYS be cracked and distributed. If no one way, then another.
Some 1337 haxzor should hack the database of “brain”.
@42
With most jobs, you are paid when your job is complete. In the music work, it just doesn’t work that way. You are paid nothing for your recordings, unless you can sell copies of them. The “if I build a bridge, I don’t get paid when someone drives across it” is a very silly (and very common) argument. If you are hired to build something or do something, that is a work-for-hire. Apples and Oranges.
Copyrights allow for a system where a work that took a great deal of time and effort can be sold for a small amount of money to a large amount of people.
Without copyright, musicians would depend on the Wealthy Patron system where musicians write songs made-to-order for rich people. Of course, this essentially eliminates freedom from music, because musicians will have to write music to appease their Patron.
I’m no accounting guru, but if BREIN is a private association, would it not be possible to do a hostile takeover and destroy the company ? Buy it outright, and kill it.
I don’t know the facts, and I certainly don’t mean to offend the good Dutch people, but how big can BREIN possibly be ? Surely a coordinated effort by the major trackers and search engines could amass enough funds to acquire and annihilate BREIN, which has been so far the most annoying and treacherous enemy of BitTorrent. No American association comes close to BREIN’s disruptive activities and overt ties with corrupt officials. No, not even the RIAA/MPAA.
Leave mininova alone! its the best site, in the spirit of bittorrent, far better than the piratebay
http://www.painfullback.com/
I think Brein could not have found seeds for his torrent download. Thats why the team got angry with mininova……:)
I think Brein would not have found seeds for its torrents. Thats why the team got angry with mininova ha ha……:)I think these guys(BREIN) dont have any other job other than hindering the best sites….
Latest news:
BREIN sees legal action to dig out Benjamin’s Franklin remains and sue him for discovering electricity “Without electricity [they: BREIN, MPAA say] there would be no piracy”
copyright!s finished.
:::sharez::: is the way now(s)
thanI3rs
c)t[]rr3nt s!t3s
Why dont they focus on going after the murderers in in Sudan who kill innocent in Darfur!
heh: Without copyright, musicians would depend on the Wealthy Patron system where musicians write songs made-to-order for rich people. Of course, this essentially eliminates freedom from music, because musicians will have to write music to appease their Patron.
Copyright was abolished at the dawn of the filesahring era. We already live in a world without it.
So where’s this Wealthy Patron system of yours? When was freedom eliminated from music? Darn, I must have missed it.
Oh… Wait, I know. You’re spouting bullshit, because here we are about a decade after the demise of copyright, and musicians are still making money the same way they’ve always been. As it turns out, all they have to do is put a price-tag on their fucking music and people will buy it(and pay to see it live).
Except now, a growing number of musicians are savvy enough to cut themselves loose from the MAFIAA parasites sucking the life out of them, and take content distribution into their own hands. But that’s really neither here nor there.
My point is this; go take your RAH-RAH-RAH copyright cocksucking elsewhere, Mr. Cheerleader.
First off torrent files contain 0 copyrighted info. I am so sick of retarded groups that do not even know what the hell they are talking about crying bloody murder over their theoritcal dollars. The site does no run any trackers as such has 0 power to remove the torrents from anything other then there index site which is pretty much up to the users.
Sorry AHOLES but a torrent file contains 0 copyrighted data except maybe a title. And you can’t bitch about indexing sites until you make google which has more links to torrents then any other site on the web stop linking to torrent files. Which is most likely impossible since google bots are constantly searching the net for any and all data.
What we need is a giant anonymous distributed file system with parity where we can dump all our precious files onto without knowing each others IP address.
I thought the dutch were all about Freedom and stuff, looks like Russia is more free than the west now.
Irony!
Heh, the Netherlands is going to shit. *Moves to Sweden*
You want a stolen car? Well, you can find one here, here, here, and here. Let me show you the way.
AKA - dude_where’s_my_Car.Torrent
They prove this, and our P2P days are done
Quote - ” You want a stolen car? Well, you can find one here, here, here, and here. Let me show you the way.
AKA - dude_where’s_my_Car.Torrent
They prove this, and our P2P days are done. ”
Sharing/copying is miles apart from stealing… We don take away the stuff physically away frm em… I guess the Judges of p2p lawsuits must be educated enough to understand that part…
@19 “If the pirate community believes so strongly in what they are doing, and of the benefits of p2p, they should ban copyrighted material from their search results” & #49
Post 49 claimed that it can’t be done. I say, why would they want to anyway? They do believe in what they’re doing, and any takedown policy is only to cover themselves legally, not because they want to do so. I’m sure they feel that sharing copyrighted works are fine, as do 99.9% of sharers.
It’s only those married to the cartels who are paranoid about “loss” of potential profits, and then there’s those hoping for financial gain through litigation.
That might be ok if it were to be used for a good cause, except that most of those sued have little or no money, but it adds up. It’s hard to sue the rich, as they can defend themselves, and now that it’s better understood legally, may be impossible.
BREIN: Fuck you.
@65 “Copyright was abolished at the dawn of the filesahring era. We already live in a world without it.”
It has always been possible to make copies of copyrighted works at no cost to the creator. Nothing has fundamentally changed.
@72 “Except now, a growing number of musicians are savvy enough to cut themselves loose from the MAFIAA parasites sucking the life out of them”
Cutting themselves off from the RIAA does not mean that musicians don’t want to be paid for their recorded music. You incorrectly assume that independent musicians mostly support piracy, when this is not the case.
Correct up to a point. A torrent file doesn’t contain copyrighted material, but is does link to the location of where such material is stored and forms an intrinsic part of the process. It is called “facilitation, which is unlawful.
Mininova itself facilitates this process because, unlike Google, they allow people to upload their own torrent files. Furthermore, Mininova (again unlike Google) moderate the process, thus it is not a passive, automated process.
Yes, I’m a lawyer!
“Tim Kuik, managing director of BREIN, said that Mininova’s business model is based on illegal activity.”
Maybe BREIN should sue all the plice forces as there ‘business model’ is based one illegal activity one might say. What about gambling? maybe they should start hammering all the gambling sites becos thats illegal in some places too.
Its such tenuis link for them to say anything like Mininova’s business model is based on “illegal activity”. 100% total joke. A judge with any sense will shootdown BREIN in a court of law.
Why are you enjoying yourself and having fun? Go back to work!
But what about the pursuit of happiness?
Speak into the microphone!
heh: It has always been possible to make copies of copyrighted works at no cost to the creator. Nothing has fundamentally changed.
Wrong.
Before the filesharing boom, it would have been an epic feat to share music with just 100 people, and you’d have to pocket the cost of buying 100 blank tapes. But these days, you can share music with tens of millions of people at zero cost to yourself, and the effort it requires is simply fucking trivial.
The scale of distribution has become so wide and far-reaching that the entire concept of copyright is no longer valid. It may still exist on paper, but in the real world, copyright is dead and buried. And it has been for quite some time.
So, I’m just waiting with baited breath for that Wealthy Patron system of yours to materialize and for musical freedom to be squelched.
But so far, approximately 10 years have passed, and there are still no signs of your predictions coming true.
Cutting themselves off from the RIAA does not mean that musicians don’t want to be paid for their recorded music.
No shit. Cutting themselves off from the RIAA means that musicians DO want to be paid for their recorded music, or at least, don’t want to be robbed by the cartels. However, as the last 10 odd years have demonstrated, the death of copyright has not proved itself an obstacle towards musicians getting payed for their work.
If your doom-and-gloom theory held any merit, it would have come true a very long time ago.
whatever, eventually we will win and the governments will lose. Just like the war against marijuana.
Wouldn’t it be great that if every trivial law suit that failed, and was deemed to contain bullying tactics or intimidation techniques then an automatic judgement of 500,000 bucks would automatically and immediately without delay be paid to the original defendant. That would put an end to this BS.
[i][b]Julius: Correct up to a point. A torrent file doesn’t contain copyrighted material, but is does link to the location of where such material is stored and forms an intrinsic part of the process. It is called “facilitation, which is unlawful.[/b][/i]
wrong
facilitation is not unlawful, look at the prevalence of hardware and systems capable of copying, every home and school has them
this case can swing both ways depending upon the Judicial background in Nederland. however, the risks to BREIN are extremely high. if they lose the case they set a potential European precedent for indexers
the problem for BREIN is that filtering content has not been used in the USA or anywhere as a legal argument because filtering is considered inoperable technically and on an information level impossible
why would BREIN bring such a high risk case? i have a couple of ideas:
- their pay masters are growing impatient with lack of progress towards closure and they have run out of tactical options with Mininova. BREIN’s MAFIAA bosses in America are undoubtedly frustrated and must have turned on the pressure for the poor guys at BREIN to act in such a clearly bizarre way
- they have their sights on the next anti-p2p business model in an effort to secure their continued funding from the USA. the IFPI is attempting to force European ISP’s to send warnings to customers whom the IFPI has spied are sharing their copyright content. the way they see it working is agencies spy on the networks and tell the ISP’s about their evil customers. someone, somewhere, has sold Hollywood the idea of a technical solution to identifying the legal content of file transfers by bittorrent. this involves mass logging of trackers, verification of each individual file, and linking to a massive db containing all copyright owner details. unless they take a shortcut
economically, the digital content that is being shared is not worth proper effective DRM. so how can it be worth filtering? they have refused protection at source … they are expecting mininova to carry the cost? that is the most extreme form of filtering and that is not going to happen
Mininova is the bomb!
These antiprivacy organisations RIA etc. are not better than criminals, this is what they try to do for the living, so pathetic. I bet this organisation builds up from dumb loosers, who failed in life, but they have to do something for living. Still better than eating from the dumpster and sleeping on the streets.
Everything is about money, and until these dumb tossers can make their living from closing torrent sites they will push it hard, just like spammers.
There are spammers who do spam for living, so whats wrong with that? Let’s make whatever court crap order about 500.000 EURO, how can normal ppl expect that any private person has this amount to pay it back? They can’t they just simply going to jail the person and look for the next vic, to ruin his life.
This is where the humanity goes, with the growing number of population, everyone needs to keep a job, but there are not as much jobs as much people. Some restriction, mass genocide would make the world better, but just don’t believe me and suffer, fucking idiots.
PS: Thanks for TeH register deleting my comments, exactly this is what I would talk about, _USELESS PEOPLE_ like the admins there, that’s what we have so many of
good luck mininova :)
i will support you by downloading many torrents
Longlive the forrent!
i got banned form becasue i added laods of illegall torrents to ti like movies and piarated version of vista!
now i know why!!
basically many of these anti-piracy groups are no admins on eveyr single private/public torrent sites!
and are now slowly damagin the site so it shuts down!
i have seen it happen i owned a site and it got shut down within 2 weeks!
and had over 2000 memebrs!!!
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