i will support you by downloading many torrents

Everything is about money, and until these dumb tossers can make their living from closing torrent sites they will push it hard, just like spammers.

There are spammers who do spam for living, so whats wrong with that? Let’s make whatever court crap order about 500.000 EURO, how can normal ppl expect that any private person has this amount to pay it back? They can’t they just simply going to jail the person and look for the next vic, to ruin his life.

This is where the humanity goes, with the growing number of population, everyone needs to keep a job, but there are not as much jobs as much people. Some restriction, mass genocide would make the world better, but just don’t believe me and suffer, fucking idiots.

PS: Thanks for TeH register deleting my comments, exactly this is what I would talk about, _USELESS PEOPLE_ like the admins there, that’s what we have so many of

wrong

facilitation is not unlawful, look at the prevalence of hardware and systems capable of copying, every home and school has them

this case can swing both ways depending upon the Judicial background in Nederland. however, the risks to BREIN are extremely high. if they lose the case they set a potential European precedent for indexers

the problem for BREIN is that filtering content has not been used in the USA or anywhere as a legal argument because filtering is considered inoperable technically and on an information level impossible

why would BREIN bring such a high risk case? i have a couple of ideas:

- their pay masters are growing impatient with lack of progress towards closure and they have run out of tactical options with Mininova. BREIN’s MAFIAA bosses in America are undoubtedly frustrated and must have turned on the pressure for the poor guys at BREIN to act in such a clearly bizarre way

- they have their sights on the next anti-p2p business model in an effort to secure their continued funding from the USA. the IFPI is attempting to force European ISP’s to send warnings to customers whom the IFPI has spied are sharing their copyright content. the way they see it working is agencies spy on the networks and tell the ISP’s about their evil customers. someone, somewhere, has sold Hollywood the idea of a technical solution to identifying the legal content of file transfers by bittorrent. this involves mass logging of trackers, verification of each individual file, and linking to a massive db containing all copyright owner details. unless they take a shortcut

economically, the digital content that is being shared is not worth proper effective DRM. so how can it be worth filtering? they have refused protection at source … they are expecting mininova to carry the cost? that is the most extreme form of filtering and that is not going to happen

Wrong.

Before the filesharing boom, it would have been an epic feat to share music with just 100 people, and you’d have to pocket the cost of buying 100 blank tapes. But these days, you can share music with tens of millions of people at zero cost to yourself, and the effort it requires is simply fucking trivial.

The scale of distribution has become so wide and far-reaching that the entire concept of copyright is no longer valid. It may still exist on paper, but in the real world, copyright is dead and buried. And it has been for quite some time.

So, I’m just waiting with baited breath for that Wealthy Patron system of yours to materialize and for musical freedom to be squelched.

But so far, approximately 10 years have passed, and there are still no signs of your predictions coming true.

Cutting themselves off from the RIAA does not mean that musicians don’t want to be paid for their recorded music.

No shit. Cutting themselves off from the RIAA means that musicians DO want to be paid for their recorded music, or at least, don’t want to be robbed by the cartels. However, as the last 10 odd years have demonstrated, the death of copyright has not proved itself an obstacle towards musicians getting payed for their work.

If your doom-and-gloom theory held any merit, it would have come true a very long time ago.

Maybe BREIN should sue all the plice forces as there ‘business model’ is based one illegal activity one might say. What about gambling? maybe they should start hammering all the gambling sites becos thats illegal in some places too.

Its such tenuis link for them to say anything like Mininova’s business model is based on “illegal activity”. 100% total joke. A judge with any sense will shootdown BREIN in a court of law.

Mininova itself facilitates this process because, unlike Google, they allow people to upload their own torrent files. Furthermore, Mininova (again unlike Google) moderate the process, thus it is not a passive, automated process.

Yes, I’m a lawyer!

It has always been possible to make copies of copyrighted works at no cost to the creator. Nothing has fundamentally changed.

@72 “Except now, a growing number of musicians are savvy enough to cut themselves loose from the MAFIAA parasites sucking the life out of them”

Cutting themselves off from the RIAA does not mean that musicians don’t want to be paid for their recorded music. You incorrectly assume that independent musicians mostly support piracy, when this is not the case.

Post 49 claimed that it can’t be done. I say, why would they want to anyway? They do believe in what they’re doing, and any takedown policy is only to cover themselves legally, not because they want to do so. I’m sure they feel that sharing copyrighted works are fine, as do 99.9% of sharers.

It’s only those married to the cartels who are paranoid about “loss” of potential profits, and then there’s those hoping for financial gain through litigation.

That might be ok if it were to be used for a good cause, except that most of those sued have little or no money, but it adds up. It’s hard to sue the rich, as they can defend themselves, and now that it’s better understood legally, may be impossible.

Sharing/copying is miles apart from stealing… We don take away the stuff physically away frm em… I guess the Judges of p2p lawsuits must be educated enough to understand that part…

AKA – dude_where’s_my_Car.Torrent

They prove this, and our P2P days are done

Sorry AHOLES but a torrent file contains 0 copyrighted data except maybe a title. And you can’t bitch about indexing sites until you make google which has more links to torrents then any other site on the web stop linking to torrent files. Which is most likely impossible since google bots are constantly searching the net for any and all data.

Copyright was abolished at the dawn of the filesahring era. We already live in a world without it.

So where’s this Wealthy Patron system of yours? When was freedom eliminated from music? Darn, I must have missed it.

Oh… Wait, I know. You’re spouting bullshit, because here we are about a decade after the demise of copyright, and musicians are still making money the same way they’ve always been. As it turns out, all they have to do is put a price-tag on their fucking music and people will buy it(and pay to see it live).

Except now, a growing number of musicians are savvy enough to cut themselves loose from the MAFIAA parasites sucking the life out of them, and take content distribution into their own hands. But that’s really neither here nor there.

My point is this; go take your RAH-RAH-RAH copyright cocksucking elsewhere, Mr. Cheerleader.

http://www.painfullback.com/

I don’t know the facts, and I certainly don’t mean to offend the good Dutch people, but how big can BREIN possibly be ? Surely a coordinated effort by the major trackers and search engines could amass enough funds to acquire and annihilate BREIN, which has been so far the most annoying and treacherous enemy of BitTorrent. No American association comes close to BREIN’s disruptive activities and overt ties with corrupt officials. No, not even the RIAA/MPAA.

With most jobs, you are paid when your job is complete. In the music work, it just doesn’t work that way. You are paid nothing for your recordings, unless you can sell copies of them. The “if I build a bridge, I don’t get paid when someone drives across it” is a very silly (and very common) argument. If you are hired to build something or do something, that is a work-for-hire. Apples and Oranges.

Copyrights allow for a system where a work that took a great deal of time and effort can be sold for a small amount of money to a large amount of people.

Without copyright, musicians would depend on the Wealthy Patron system where musicians write songs made-to-order for rich people. Of course, this essentially eliminates freedom from music, because musicians will have to write music to appease their Patron.

Some 1337 haxzor should hack the database of “brain”.

We like to share. Copyright is in the way of sharing, so we don’t recognize copyright.