*term used VERY loosely.

The DVD compared to CD comment made a good point…

You can buy a DVD for $20 and a CD for $20… but a DVD holds 4.7gigs of video, music, pictures, and etc totaling usually around 2 hours… were as a CD holds 700mb of ok music totaling around 1 hour.

Movies tend to cost more to be made because more resources go into them. writers, actors, directors, musicians, editors, etc… Hundreds of people… Some movies are in the thousands.

A CD is usually The Band of say 5 people and maybe 20 other people….

Yet CDs think they deserve just as much as DVDs?

Not to mention that CD’s have pretty much stayed the same in price even though the cost of making one has dropped.

As I once tried to explain to my father… When you used to buy a CD you’d pay 10$ for the Plastic disc and 5$ for the music because it cost 10$ to make the disc. Now the discs cost pennies yet we still have to pay 10$ for the damn disc…

Prices used to be based on material costs, now its based on greed.

Enough! Enough trying to justify the huge illegal-to-legal lopsidedness of downloading with obfuscated examples about torrent tracker ratios and the ridiculously lame example that it’s easier to download an album you already have than to rip an album you already have.

This article actually doesn’t address the 20:1 ratio and again puts all the blame of falling music sales squarely on the record industry for providing a product no one wants. Actually, EVERYONE wants it and that’s why p2p is so popular! It’s just that they’re just not willing to pay…which makes no sense, because thirty years ago, music was just as shitty as it is today and people paid for it.

you dont pay 5 or 6 bucks to listen to a cd once through with a bunch of heavy breathing morons do you? :)

Format-shifting, the art of moving from one medium to another is on the rise. In the past consumers have moved their collection of music to different formats, usually because of quality improvements and convenience, and paid for the privilege. Now it seems consumers don’t think they should have pay to move their collection of music to their computers and media players, and especially not pay to receive an inferior quality copy of something they already own. It just doesn’t make sense. “Illegally downloading” seems logical. Digital copies of music, which were until recently usually DRM crippled, and are still poor quality in relation to CDs, are simply unattractive.

We never had to pay for any shifting before.

Copy something from radio to tape to cd to computer, etc? When did we ever pay for that? Problem is the opposite, they want us to pay for that now.

All your ignorant ideas about the music industry is clearly based on what you want to believe. Not on actual facts.

Agreed.. I’m continuing the boycott until they’re gone.

Keep spreading the word folks, Boycott these mongrels until they’re working at your Burgerking driver through.

Arrogant bastards like this deserve nothing less.

I see what some of you are getting at by saying this, but it is fair, when considered on a consumer level. We, as consumers, don’t think of production costs, or profits from rental and television deals. We look at how much it costs when sitting in front of us. When a CD costs just as much, and in some cases more, than a movie on DVD, it is easy to see why many consumers buy the DVD over the CD.

The DVD is cheaper than going out to the movies for most. When chain in a box stores sell them at lossleader prices, paying under $20 for a movie to watch on your giant home theater system is a better deal than going out to a movie theater, or buying that CD one may have wanted.

Heck, another great example, is look at concert DVDs. Some bands come out with the DVD and CD version separately. Most often the CD version costs more than the DVD version. That just makes no sense at all.

The recording industry has been facing their first real competiton over the past decade, yet they are too blind to realize that they are not putting out a product that can keep up with the competition. They then turn the blame towards P2P, because it’s an easy scapegoat for their own short-sightedness.

They have to compete with DVD and video games. Video games cost so much these days, but yet somehow still sell. The video game industry depends on the same consumer demographic. Most of these consumers would rather play their games, and with the high cost of games, it leaves them with little money to buy music.

Competition has more to do with the decline in CD sales, as well as the aformentioned fact that most have finished updating their back catalog of music. Hence, lower sales. It’s time the industry stop blaming their fans, and look for a way to win the real battle. The one against DVDs and video games.

I fully sympathize; if I really like an album, I will buy it, but even so I’m aware that only the minority of my support is going toward the people whom I want to support, while the majority of my money goes to those whom I (philosophically at least!) oppose;
kind of like paying off Satan.

This is partly untrue. While pretty much all of the more mainstream stuff is indeed very easy to find, underground music is much harder to find on such sites, in some cases even impossible.[/quote]

There is no way you have personal experience with Oink; you obviously haven’t even read more than two dozen words on it either; go check out former members posts regarding it (including Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails).

It was the single largest collection of perfect quality music on the planet; more so than the net sum of all other music torrent sites (indie and pirate) put together.

You may be referring to public tracker sites such as Piratebay and Mininova, where it IS really hard to find rare or even semi-rare material…

This is partly untrue. While pretty much all of the more mainstream stuff is indeed very easy to find, underground music is much harder to find on such sites, in some cases even impossible.

This is a subjective argument, your personal opinion about manufactured pop does not have anything to do with declining record sales. An editorial like this needs to be backed up with cold hard facts, and this one clearly has very little.

I used to actually buy CD’s to “contribute” to artists that I like. Not anymore. The music industry can thank the RIAA for that. And there have been times that I did want to buy albums but I specifically withheld from that because of RIAA faggotry.

Hopefully someone will have the b@lls to copyright the message of the lyrics in general. This would stop the infinite repeats of unintelligent songs.

People pay for quality. That goes for music/lyrics/talent not just the encode. Similar to why companies are willing to shell out the cash to buy a German-made machine and not get a cheaper but inferior American/Chinese one.

We don’t pay for crap, only governments do that.

Well, we might not pay for so-so quality DLs but its not nice to flame the guys who share what they’ve got for free.

There is no honor in doing something illegal unless your trying to show these governments/companies that there current model is garbage. Once they wake up and change it to say the service mentioned for $5-$10 a month, I see no point in jumping through hoops.

http://www.last.fm/music/Skankin%27+With+Steve%21
http://www.last.fm/music/And+I+Quote

Last.FM it is!

So someone tell me how I could possibly make a living off of music in this day and age? It’s great that the common-guy is speculating and there are people blogging about this, but the industry is in ruins and I can’t see a way I could make some scratch in the music industry. Studios are shutting down all around me.

And gather voluntary payments from the fans via Karmafan.com!

Piracy will never go away.

Here’s what happens if they charge a 2.50/mo fee. Three people go to the site and pay their money. One of the three releases his download to the masses a la torrent, soulseek etc. And people like me will be there. And so it goes. The huge paradigm shift that has to happen is that artists and musicians have to leave the big label system as it is the problem here, not filesharers. Artists have to learn to produce and record themselves. This provides the artist ALL the leverage they would ever need for the entirety of their careers.

But being lazy and allowing/requiring the labels to do all your work for you, well that’ll be just stupid. They couldn’t find their weenises in the bath.

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Now have a good day and seed like hell. :)[/quote]

and buy tons of blanks from companies whose qualities will last ten times longer than those cheap heaps we are forced to pay thirty bucks for in the store.

Now have a good day and seed like hell. :)

They are obviously misrepresenting statistics as well as making most of them up.
Just think of a basic credibility criteria: vested interest, to lie.

They obviously are not credible.
Their pirated track numbers have been estimated by monkeys pressing random numbers.

Oh, and the funniest thing… they talked about how dangerous it might be to download pirated files, since they’d be full of spyware.
I see the opposite, ROFL. All those rootkits from these idiots and shit :D
I’ve never seen a file with spyware or shit inside a music album.

Check this out: “The record industry is careering towards meltdown. A good thing too, says Simon Napier-Bell, after 40 years of working with its most notorious moguls.”

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,,2241544,00.html

Its an article in the British paperabout this guy who started in the British independent industry in the 1960′s, before the Beatles, and has known almost every president of the Big Four (Brit and Am) since then; some of the best quotes:

“Artists were never the product; the product was discs – 10 cents’ worth of vinyl selling for $10 – 10,000 per cent profit – the highest mark-up in all of retail marketing.”

“Recently, the Wall Street Journal investigated the industry and concluded that ‘for all the 21st-century glitz that surrounds it, the popular music business is distinctly medieval in character: the last form of indentured servitude.’”

“In 1966 I came into a business that was alive with excitement and optimism. I was one of a select group – the young managers, like Brian Epstein, Andrew Loog Oldham and Kit Lambert – who had taken over the UK’s new pop groups – the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Who, the Kinks, the Yardbirds, the Animals. We young managers were on fire. We hustled, and we were free.
…Despite enormous differences between us, we found one thing in common. We all saw our principal job as going to war with the record company.”

“None of these companies had been set up first and foremost for music; they made records for extra profit. It was a wonderful trick they’d learnt. They bought vinyl cheaply; added a label, a song and a sleeve and sold it expensively.”

This is pure gold!!!
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,,2241544,00.html

Ths question is easy: Die of course! Deu!

The last december sale were 21% down from laat year. No business can stand that. EMI already laid off over 2k people in January and SOny/BMG, Vivendi Universal Time Warner are going to do the same soon.

EMI is droping the IFPI because they can not aford them and they are contemplating ever to drop the RIAA CRIAA and so forth too or to merge all of them into a smaller international organization. If this hapen it is doubful that this organization with a lot of less mean will be able to afford their grandiose psychopatic scheme of suing their best customers and corruplting our governements.

It is time for those that got riped off by the RIAA to band together in a class action lawsuit to recover your money. Soon the money will be gone. Of course you can try to sue the executives of the RIAA or the executives of what will be left of the music companies. Some of them like Sony and Time Warner possess also a movie division still doing ok. You could go after that too. Sony also have an electronic division not doing to well because of the criminal and anticonsumer activity of the music division though.

Meanwhile:

CONTINUE THE BOYCOTT!

This is the “coup de Grace” in progress as I write this!

Because if that is true!!!