*term used VERY loosely.

The DVD compared to CD comment made a good point…

You can buy a DVD for $20 and a CD for $20… but a DVD holds 4.7gigs of video, music, pictures, and etc totaling usually around 2 hours… were as a CD holds 700mb of ok music totaling around 1 hour.

Movies tend to cost more to be made because more resources go into them. writers, actors, directors, musicians, editors, etc… Hundreds of people… Some movies are in the thousands.

A CD is usually The Band of say 5 people and maybe 20 other people….

Yet CDs think they deserve just as much as DVDs?

Not to mention that CD’s have pretty much stayed the same in price even though the cost of making one has dropped.

As I once tried to explain to my father… When you used to buy a CD you’d pay 10$ for the Plastic disc and 5$ for the music because it cost 10$ to make the disc. Now the discs cost pennies yet we still have to pay 10$ for the damn disc…

Prices used to be based on material costs, now its based on greed.

Enough! Enough trying to justify the huge illegal-to-legal lopsidedness of downloading with obfuscated examples about torrent tracker ratios and the ridiculously lame example that it’s easier to download an album you already have than to rip an album you already have.

This article actually doesn’t address the 20:1 ratio and again puts all the blame of falling music sales squarely on the record industry for providing a product no one wants. Actually, EVERYONE wants it and that’s why p2p is so popular! It’s just that they’re just not willing to pay…which makes no sense, because thirty years ago, music was just as shitty as it is today and people paid for it.

you dont pay 5 or 6 bucks to listen to a cd once through with a bunch of heavy breathing morons do you? :)

Format-shifting, the art of moving from one medium to another is on the rise. In the past consumers have moved their collection of music to different formats, usually because of quality improvements and convenience, and paid for the privilege. Now it seems consumers don’t think they should have pay to move their collection of music to their computers and media players, and especially not pay to receive an inferior quality copy of something they already own. It just doesn’t make sense. “Illegally downloading” seems logical. Digital copies of music, which were until recently usually DRM crippled, and are still poor quality in relation to CDs, are simply unattractive.

We never had to pay for any shifting before.

Copy something from radio to tape to cd to computer, etc? When did we ever pay for that? Problem is the opposite, they want us to pay for that now.

All your ignorant ideas about the music industry is clearly based on what you want to believe. Not on actual facts.

Agreed.. I’m continuing the boycott until they’re gone.

Keep spreading the word folks, Boycott these mongrels until they’re working at your Burgerking driver through.

Arrogant bastards like this deserve nothing less.

I see what some of you are getting at by saying this, but it is fair, when considered on a consumer level. We, as consumers, don’t think of production costs, or profits from rental and television deals. We look at how much it costs when sitting in front of us. When a CD costs just as much, and in some cases more, than a movie on DVD, it is easy to see why many consumers buy the DVD over the CD.

The DVD is cheaper than going out to the movies for most. When chain in a box stores sell them at lossleader prices, paying under $20 for a movie to watch on your giant home theater system is a better deal than going out to a movie theater, or buying that CD one may have wanted.

Heck, another great example, is look at concert DVDs. Some bands come out with the DVD and CD version separately. Most often the CD version costs more than the DVD version. That just makes no sense at all.

The recording industry has been facing their first real competiton over the past decade, yet they are too blind to realize that they are not putting out a product that can keep up with the competition. They then turn the blame towards P2P, because it’s an easy scapegoat for their own short-sightedness.

They have to compete with DVD and video games. Video games cost so much these days, but yet somehow still sell. The video game industry depends on the same consumer demographic. Most of these consumers would rather play their games, and with the high cost of games, it leaves them with little money to buy music.

Competition has more to do with the decline in CD sales, as well as the aformentioned fact that most have finished updating their back catalog of music. Hence, lower sales. It’s time the industry stop blaming their fans, and look for a way to win the real battle. The one against DVDs and video games.

I fully sympathize; if I really like an album, I will buy it, but even so I’m aware that only the minority of my support is going toward the people whom I want to support, while the majority of my money goes to those whom I (philosophically at least!) oppose;
kind of like paying off Satan.

This is partly untrue. While pretty much all of the more mainstream stuff is indeed very easy to find, underground music is much harder to find on such sites, in some cases even impossible.[/quote]

There is no way you have personal experience with Oink; you obviously haven’t even read more than two dozen words on it either; go check out former members posts regarding it (including Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails).

It was the single largest collection of perfect quality music on the planet; more so than the net sum of all other music torrent sites (indie and pirate) put together.

You may be referring to public tracker sites such as Piratebay and Mininova, where it IS really hard to find rare or even semi-rare material…

This is partly untrue. While pretty much all of the more mainstream stuff is indeed very easy to find, underground music is much harder to find on such sites, in some cases even impossible.

This is a subjective argument, your personal opinion about manufactured pop does not have anything to do with declining record sales. An editorial like this needs to be backed up with cold hard facts, and this one clearly has very little.