That in light of the lawsuits I’ve been reading about having been dealt to users DOWNLOADING stupid music files (not even uploading) really makes me violent.

As Americans we can really be a bunch of lazy-a$$ whores sometimes.

Where are we as a nation when the prosecution of citizens who sidestep mandatory support of a weak-a$$, decrepit and obnoxiously greedy business model takes priority over securing our own children’s a$$es against perverted exploitation? And because the former is more lucrative than the latter!

A G0#-damned shame.

If CP were handled with a fraction of the obsessive compulsion OJ or Anna Nicole saw I expect CP wouldn’t even be a problem anymore.

This does of course cast doubt into any cases MD have provided evidence for in the past.

The anti-child porn effort by the NY AG office is reasonable – there are privacy implications, but given that they’re simply downloading files made available on p2p networks, they’re within legal and moral norms, certainly as most people on this forum would see them. I hope their efforts continue, though I doubt they’ll ever have success enough to make any difference to child porn – that needs to be addressed at the root cause of demand.

However, I deeply hope that they sever their relationship with MediaDefender and find a new partner for their effort. MD has demonstrated complete incompetence; aside from the leakage, the content of of their email and conversation displays only the barest grasp on what their actually doing, and the tone makes me want to slap them silly; if I got that from any supposed business professional I was working with I’d pretty much have to do just that.

Certainly the p2p community has little to fear from these nitwits; alas, neither will the child porn community.

Would be cool to have a shot of his home and have his phone number.

In the discussion thread earlier today I recall a mention that some of the IPs for the DoS attack on MDD’s site were traced directly back to MD. That’s certainly a blatant criminal act with no attempt to conceal their guilt. Slyck might’ve been hit for the posters revealing this information.

Can anyone concur?

I have serious doubts that MediaDefender are part of some legitimate CP investigation – and if they are (were) they werent gonna find pedos by uploading fakes of the latest movie torrents.

Sounds more like their original bullshit that miivi was an internal project that should have been passworded … they simply trying to pull a bit more wool over the eyes of anyone left who might actually believe the rhetoric these guys spin.

While MediaFenders business was mostly about capturing and stopping ripped movies and such for rich business men, allot of their work involved in stopping Pedophiles, and for that to happen they need to have a tight case around him with secrecy, nothing can be compromised, With the Defenders exposing all their act and secret communications, every pedophile who was put behind bars based on evidence from Media Defenders can revoke the sentence and drop the charges against him and effectively get out of prison.

It’s always great to play cops and robbers, but I don’t think for the opportunity to download the Simpson’s movie without consequences or paying a dime is a good enough reason to let such mother fuckers loose on the streets. The defenders showed what a great hackers they are, but not responsible.

Cheers
I3D

It sounds like MDD had access to Jay Mairs’s inbox and that is how MDD joined and recorded the conference call.

If the above is true, then the e-mail in question would be this one:

When: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:00 PM-12:00 PM (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada).
Where: Conference Call

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Attendees: Ben Grodsky, Bradley Bartram, Jay Mairs and Michael McCartney
Dial-In: 1-866-866-2244
Participant Code: 3071173#

The long weekend would be labor day weekend. I’m surprised no one pointed this out yet…

unless they regularly crc hash it and store them offsite, which with these guys… how likely? yeah. just go crazy. invalid ips. random corporate blocks as alloted by arin. 172.16, 192.168.. just poison the crap out of it.

People HATE pedo’s so it’s good for their immage.

But they do not realize, that takeing existing kiddy pron offline will make it scarce, which will result in higher prices, and make people rape more children for the money.
If they would REALLY care, they would try and find the producers of the kiddy pron, instead of the people of share it for free.[/quote]

well,they are trying to find the seeders with the ip, if it ain’t all just a ruse to hate p2p people more.
but personally, if i where gonna catch pedo and CP, then i would make that and the anti peer2peer program two separate programs. then the peer2peer people could maybe even help.. we can see how good info finders they are already..

[quote comment="167120"]I think that the “leaked phone call” is fake, since they are useing it for “repairing” the damage done to the name MediaDefender. And their bizz, in general.

It’s just their respons to the leaked mails.[/quote]

that is actually not a bad idea. think about it. this could be a test to see how big the leak is… maybe releasing this one was a bad idea.. because the emails are out,and then it’s “nothing to loose”, right? or again, that can just be me. i do support pedo hunt, but not p2p hunt…

…unless someone from MD sent you that email and you actually believed it, then, HAHAHA ROFL!!!

This is serious crap! The government should not be hiring some moronic group of script kitties to handle their evidence gathering.

“Hmmm… Maybe we should setup PGP and a vpn instead of sending all this stuff in the clear.”

“Nah. They got our email once, but it can’t happen again. Even though we seem to have no idea how it happened, we’re perfectly safe. We have no security holes.”

Unbelievably stupid, and rather frightening. If they’re going to send people to prison for a long time (something which should happen to all pedos, or worse) the least they could do is use a tiny grain of care to maintain data integrity and security.

The best part of that conversation was when MD tried to imply that maybe the leak wasn’t MDs fault, but maybe it happened on the AGs end. Very funny stuff.

IMHO, this event will not seriously damage MDs business, because they are one of a handfull of firms that actually makes a business out of it. They will probably have to explain the egg on their face and their competitiors will likely use it as FUD to win a project here or there. Nevetheless, the train will keep on running, no matter how much you love or hate them.

As far as the pedo stuff, perhaps a new line of business to drive growth, this is capitalism afterall. But because of some of the relationships they must carry in CP world, i don’t see MP as the lead on the evidence and investigation side.

Someone has any informations about that company http://www.evidenzia.de ???

I am the CEO of MediaDefender. We have begun our civil and criminal investigations into the stolen emails from our company. We are meeting with the FBI on monday. Your IP address has been logged. I hope it was worth the thrill.”

Because allegedly having an IP address reveals exactly whodunit, right? I hope they intend to provide evidence of the emails, so the FBI can handcuff them on the spot.

http://jrwr.hopto.org/mediadefender_decoy_upload_statistics.txt

They don’t collect evidence and aren’t involved in prosecution….so WTF?

Sound like bullshit to me…. anyway if the powers REALLY wanted to get the pedos, they could… the same way the get the filesharers… nobody cares about procecuting pedos because they aren’t “stealing” copyrighted material, it’s all just a fucking big smokescreen.