how would h.264 have to rise up to beat xvid? ones a format, the others an encoder – still, videos encoded to h.264 are usually much better than videos encoded by xvid.[/quote]
pretty obvious where the post was going with this, xvid encodes in a format too. ignoring the obvious is pretty stupid.

xvid uses an implementation of mpeg-4 part2 with some bastardization for being in AVI
H.264 is obviously mpeg-4 part10 (otherwise known as AVC)

the comparison would obviously be between those two “formats”, though of course even if a format is technically superior it does no good if the implementation of it (the encoder) is inferior.

x264 > xvid

you don’t know what u talking about , with normal bitrates Xvid gives better quality than x264.

And who says im not 14 years old? The demographics of this site is that most people ARE teenagers.

The top 10 most downloaded DVDrips on BitTorrent, “The Bank Job” tops the chart for the third week in a row….

iPods, PS3s, Xboxs, and other media player have all accepted .mp4 x264 encoded formats. I’m pretty sure there are loads of DVD players out there that play H.264 format movies, and I’m pretty sure it will become much more popular by the end of the year.

@ Ace Hall

I had the same thoughts but I guess nothing stays round for long, not even dvd players. Change is inevitable.

@ Crandon (no.21)

People over here are trying hard to convince people to check out superior technology before it turns into another betamax, so we’d really appreciate it if you took you’re amazing hilarious and marvelous sense of humor somewhere else, maybe somewhere people may find it funny, like a stoners forum. Seriously, if you enjoy creating flaming fights online you desperately need a life.

delete. repeat.

how would h.264 have to rise up to beat xvid? ones a format, the others an encoder – still, videos encoded to h.264 are usually much better than videos encoded by xvid.

They just movies

I’m #26.

But no, I’m not American – proudly :)

[quote]Didn’t you see how it was all made up? “double layer tri-fixed point deblocking” lol[/quote]

I didn’t even see that, but looking back, that does seem odd :P

Didn’t you see how it was all made up? “double layer tri-fixed point deblocking” lol

That was the stupidest post I have viewed in a long time. Sorry, but it’s true. You understand little, and even worse is that you act like you don’t.

[quote]*Future reference, please people do ur research, its idiots like no. 12 that can cause new and improved technology to fail due to their ignorance.[/quote]

Thank you for explaining it, I did not have the time to explain it myself. I cannot believe the idiocy here.

[quote]@16: Learn to spell. Respect the community and YOU do the research. H.264 is a proprietarytechnology developed by ITU-T Video Coding Experts Group (VCEG) and ISO/IEC Moving Picture Experts Group (MPEG). They are NOT open source and not free as in “libre”. As you probably don’t know, MPEG is one of the most famous of propriety copyright holders, which is why you have to download gstreamer-fluendo or gstreamer-ffmepg when installing linux and gstreamer to play mp3 files. I mean, have you ever used linux?[/quote]

ASP is the video format that xvid encodes to. Of course, it is made by MPEG, too.

And no, this does not fall under copyrights. It falls under patents, I believe.

[quote]Finally, H.264 was released in 2003 and has changed very little, where as the latest version of Xvid (1.1.3) was released in 2007.[/quote]

H.264 is a format, not an encoder. x264 is an encoder for H.264, which I assure you has been updated since 2003 (was it even around then?).

[quote]The only benefit of H.264 is it requires little processing power to decode as it is very sparsely encoded, so can be used to display HD media well. But so can Xvid, and with dual and quad core support coming soon it will become viable.
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Xvid (well, the asp video format, but you don’t understand that anyway) makes files that are much less CPU intensive to decode, because it is far simpler.

“In countries where software patent regulations are upheld, the vendors of products which make use of H.264/AVC are expected to pay patent licensing royalties for the patented technology that their products use.”

“Discussions are often held regarding the legality of free software implementations of codecs like H.264, especially concerning the legal use of GNU LGPL and GPL implementations of H.264 and other patented codecs.”

You say that it is open source because a program converts video into it? Thats ridiculous! LAME converts to mp3, yet mp3 is not open source. Same for OpenOffice.org, pdfReader and more.

As for the apple thing, they are the only people who have decided to use it on a large scale and have an agreement with MPEG to use it. No other major players have chosen H.264 and so Apple can be seen as the only people keeping H.264 alive.

Xvid has constantly beaten H.264 on multiple scaling tests; you can deny H.264 does not scale well. It also lacks double layer tri-fixed point deblocking like xvid has.

Finally, H.264 was released in 2003 and has changed very little, where as the latest version of Xvid (1.1.3) was released in 2007.

The only benefit of H.264 is it requires little processing power to decode as it is very sparsely encoded, so can be used to display HD media well. But so can Xvid, and with dual and quad core support coming soon it will become viable.

The community supports Xvid and will not easily go H.264, so there is little point trying to push forward and inferior technology.

P.S. It is bad form to quote your own criticisms – I will the same criticism as last time; “Your lack of understanding amazes me.”

Untraceable looks like ur usual thriller

Horton Hears a Who was good for the kids(not rly a dvd rip tho, just a rly good r5)

Teeth’s plot makes me LOL, think im gonna watch it

Cloverfield was decent

27 Dresses is dangerous, it performs surgery on you while you watch, it replaces all Y chromosomes with another X.

First of all, how can Handbrake be open source and made by apple at the same time? It’s multi platform meaning it is available FOR apple. (and linux and microsoft)

Second of all, have u ever checked out a movie with H264 these days and compared it to Xvid? Cuz if you speak out of experience I’d understand but its obvious you’re speaking out of ignorance. Check out a 1.4gb movie and a H264 700mb then talk.

And there is this amazing thing on Handbrake that is called QUALITY CONTROL. You see, you type numbers or select the quality or select the target file size to choose how big the dvd file is gonna be…you can fit movies for iPods and PSP, why wudn’t it support small file sizes.

The reason its laggy is cuz ur PC under performs, sure it takes longer than Xvid, maybe, im just guessing here, maybe…CUZ IT GIVES BETTER QUALITY?

Lemme help you out a bit, go to wikipedia and research these things: open source, bitrate (changing resolution isn’t as important as bitrate in file sizes), how to type numbers into a GUI, and how to use wikipedia.

Your lack of understanding amazes me.

*Future reference, please people do ur research, its idiots like no. 12 that can cause new and improved technology to fail due to their ignorance.

It’s a codec quite difficult to master, since it has a lot of input parameters, so that’s why you failed horribly using it (well, it certainly isn’t you fault but the default settings of your encoder were obviously bad)

And converting a lossy video (xvid) to another lossy format (H264 can do lossless as well, depending on parameters) is really not a good idea…

H264 is video only, no sound involved in the process. For that you should check AAC.

You can have hardware accelerators for H264, they are coming to the market… (e.g. one included in the ipods).

Last but not least, the most used H264 encoder is x264, another open source project used by almost every ripping software.

So yes, xvid is good, but if used correctly, H264 is by far superior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264

Just set the bitrate at 1000kb/s and u get perfect quality and file sizes like 660mb for a 80 minute movie (without reducing resolution, leaving it at Anamorphic RAR).

LOL HANDBRAKE WAS MADE BY APPLE xD. So apple endorses piracy?

Xvid/Divx changed video for ever, and is widely renowned as being the best video codec on the market. For example, I tried to convert a 768×432 movie (StelThisFilmII) to 640×480 and it changed from 640mb to 924mb. How? The resolution, sound quality and fps were all the same, yet the file ends up massively bigger. If anything H.264 is outdated even though it is newer than xvid. And it’s open source, which places it further ahead than H.246 any day.

Again, I really am shocked at your lack of understanding, it really does amaze me.

@3 I agree, handbreak is really good. Its a free program that works on all platforms. It even includes the source code to compile it into your kernal if you want. Good stuff H264 all the way! :)

Well said, time to move on methinks.

Pathetic.

For famous H264 rippers check out: unisonband (unisonband111 if you’re using demonoid) and my favorite NewArtRiot. You can back up your own DVD collection using handbrake to encode your movies with H264 easily and with amazing quality.

Xvid is outdated, move forward with technology!!!

*Spread the message, makes me sad when I see such high quality movies with such low seeds, at least download one movie or rip one using handbrake and see for yourself*

lol ‘I hacked his wifi’ .. from hundreds of miles away?