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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always been of the opinion that so long as you make no financial gain from copied music or movie, then there should be no harm. These music and movie industries aren&#039;t half as bothered about you making financial gain from the material (even though that is an inexcusable crime). They are bothered because the downloader isn&#039;t spending his/her money intially on the product by obtaining it in a way that gives all these companies (not the artists) the money they used to gain pre torrent days. They are frustrated, really frustrated.

If it is affecting them so much, why don&#039;t they just ask the torrent sites creators/admin to close down?? Why.....because that is too hard and time consuming, so instead they go after the downloaders themselves. All that does is give an impression of companies who like to bully and intimidate people as opposed to do their jobs and attack the sources of these available files, not the downloaders themselves.

And another thing, if it is supposedly even illegal to make a copy of an existing piece of copyrighted work, why do shops sell blank cd&#039;s, dvd&#039;s, burners and other software used solely for the use of duplicating material. They know it goes on all over the world and yet they never pull the plug on selling those items

Strange isn&#039;t it?? The law, what a joke!! finding real criminals like rapists and murderers and terrorists is just too hard and dangerous a job for you eh? So what do you, go after people for obtaining music and films which in most cases are used for sole use anyway. Yes we shouldn&#039;t be obtaining them this way but theres more serious crimes out there...sheesh!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always been of the opinion that so long as you make no financial gain from copied music or movie, then there should be no harm. These music and movie industries aren&#8217;t half as bothered about you making financial gain from the material (even though that is an inexcusable crime). They are bothered because the downloader isn&#8217;t spending his/her money intially on the product by obtaining it in a way that gives all these companies (not the artists) the money they used to gain pre torrent days. They are frustrated, really frustrated.</p>
<p>If it is affecting them so much, why don&#8217;t they just ask the torrent sites creators/admin to close down?? Why&#8230;..because that is too hard and time consuming, so instead they go after the downloaders themselves. All that does is give an impression of companies who like to bully and intimidate people as opposed to do their jobs and attack the sources of these available files, not the downloaders themselves.</p>
<p>And another thing, if it is supposedly even illegal to make a copy of an existing piece of copyrighted work, why do shops sell blank cd&#8217;s, dvd&#8217;s, burners and other software used solely for the use of duplicating material. They know it goes on all over the world and yet they never pull the plug on selling those items</p>
<p>Strange isn&#8217;t it?? The law, what a joke!! finding real criminals like rapists and murderers and terrorists is just too hard and dangerous a job for you eh? So what do you, go after people for obtaining music and films which in most cases are used for sole use anyway. Yes we shouldn&#8217;t be obtaining them this way but theres more serious crimes out there&#8230;sheesh!!</p>
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		<title>By: Eight news stories 27.11 &#8212; Bruce On Games</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eight news stories 27.11 &#8212; Bruce On Games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Seven Hollywood studios including Paramount, Sony, Twentieth Century Fox, Universal, Warner Bros and... We are going to see a lot more of this if the film, music and gaming industries are going to survive. We are currently experiencing the biggest glut of stealing in the history of mankind and the ISPs are the only people who could possibly reduce it. It&#8217;s not nice to see that the Hollywood studios understand this better than the gaming industry. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Seven Hollywood studios including Paramount, Sony, Twentieth Century Fox, Universal, Warner Bros and&#8230; We are going to see a lot more of this if the film, music and gaming industries are going to survive. We are currently experiencing the biggest glut of stealing in the history of mankind and the ISPs are the only people who could possibly reduce it. It&#8217;s not nice to see that the Hollywood studios understand this better than the gaming industry. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zero</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/movie-studios-join-forces-to-sue-isp-over-bittorrent-081120/#comment-515978</link>
		<dc:creator>Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Total BS, It shouldn&#039;t be the isp&#039;s responsibility to watch over your stupid movies. If you don&#039;t want your crap stolen then protect it better yourselves. Maybe if the movie industry was smart enough to hire good people they could have good copy protection on dvd&#039;s... 

The only &quot;piracy&quot; an isp should have to care about is people stealing their internet service..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Total BS, It shouldn&#8217;t be the isp&#8217;s responsibility to watch over your stupid movies. If you don&#8217;t want your crap stolen then protect it better yourselves. Maybe if the movie industry was smart enough to hire good people they could have good copy protection on dvd&#8217;s&#8230; </p>
<p>The only &#8220;piracy&#8221; an isp should have to care about is people stealing their internet service..</p>
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		<title>By: tvmad</title>
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		<dc:creator>tvmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok now if the movies where not so expensive to go to with kids in soem instanses
and if tv sations stop screwing around with shows
pu them on take them off 
do reruns
kill a show
ten there would not be any piracy
to speak of
some people i know d/ol movies watch it and then if it is good go buy the dvd
but i know some rent it copy it then what is the diffrence
get it for 1.99 overnight 2 hours later it is copied back to teh store the next day
no sorry tv stations are to blame for the crap that they have put themselves in
and the movies listed that they say where downloaded where shit and and they are using this bss to say it was the pirates who caused the failure of the movies
nope movies where shit in the first place</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok now if the movies where not so expensive to go to with kids in soem instanses<br />
and if tv sations stop screwing around with shows<br />
pu them on take them off<br />
do reruns<br />
kill a show<br />
ten there would not be any piracy<br />
to speak of<br />
some people i know d/ol movies watch it and then if it is good go buy the dvd<br />
but i know some rent it copy it then what is the diffrence<br />
get it for 1.99 overnight 2 hours later it is copied back to teh store the next day<br />
no sorry tv stations are to blame for the crap that they have put themselves in<br />
and the movies listed that they say where downloaded where shit and and they are using this bss to say it was the pirates who caused the failure of the movies<br />
nope movies where shit in the first place</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My ISP sent me an email which was from CBS outlining i had downloaded a tv show which was copyrighted material and that they should cut me off,(thanks for alerting me to Media Sentry :) ) but then a line down they said that this particular show&#039;s episode was freely availaible from their website but when you try to watch it ohh sorry your IP address is from austrlaia so it can&#039;t be viewed WTF....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ISP sent me an email which was from CBS outlining i had downloaded a tv show which was copyrighted material and that they should cut me off,(thanks for alerting me to Media Sentry :) ) but then a line down they said that this particular show&#8217;s episode was freely availaible from their website but when you try to watch it ohh sorry your IP address is from austrlaia so it can&#8217;t be viewed WTF&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bimbam</title>
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		<dc:creator>bimbam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t understand them greedy film makers- check http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/?region=uk  how much money they making. And thats only UK.
If u buy anything in the shop u can get refund if u don&#039;t like it- u can&#039;t do that with DVDs or CDs.
Now. Who needs over 2Mb broadband if they don&#039;t share the files?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t understand them greedy film makers- check <a href="http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/?region=uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/?region=uk</a>  how much money they making. And thats only UK.<br />
If u buy anything in the shop u can get refund if u don&#8217;t like it- u can&#8217;t do that with DVDs or CDs.<br />
Now. Who needs over 2Mb broadband if they don&#8217;t share the files?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Demonoid</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/movie-studios-join-forces-to-sue-isp-over-bittorrent-081120/#comment-515499</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Demonoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Sony *CLAP* for finally getting one media type right! What&#039;s that make you like 1 for 80? Paramount, Universal, Fox, and Warner Bros. Produce something worth paying $10 to see and I might go to a movie theater. And lastly Disney, who the fuck cares, even kids think your movies are for helmet wearing R-Tards! The saddest thing is they&#039;re all guilty of  producing absolute shit packed with verbal and visual advertisements. But yet musician, actors, and producers still make record breaking amounts of money! So the way I look at, they should be more than happy making anything let alone the money they&#039;re currently making. GLUTENOUS PIGS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Sony *CLAP* for finally getting one media type right! What&#8217;s that make you like 1 for 80? Paramount, Universal, Fox, and Warner Bros. Produce something worth paying $10 to see and I might go to a movie theater. And lastly Disney, who the fuck cares, even kids think your movies are for helmet wearing R-Tards! The saddest thing is they&#8217;re all guilty of  producing absolute shit packed with verbal and visual advertisements. But yet musician, actors, and producers still make record breaking amounts of money! So the way I look at, they should be more than happy making anything let alone the money they&#8217;re currently making. GLUTENOUS PIGS!</p>
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		<title>By: Krud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s illeagle to obtain things for free if the specific owner says it is. The owners in this case seem to be crowing thier case &amp; all in all it will be the courts who decide. I&#039;m not impressed to see it&#039;s Telstra that y&#039;all yanks have lined up on the choppin&#039; block &amp; this had better not be another Bush-Howard style conviction by psychology.I want to see real proof &amp; not just a pack of cowards playing mind games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s illeagle to obtain things for free if the specific owner says it is. The owners in this case seem to be crowing thier case &amp; all in all it will be the courts who decide. I&#8217;m not impressed to see it&#8217;s Telstra that y&#8217;all yanks have lined up on the choppin&#8217; block &amp; this had better not be another Bush-Howard style conviction by psychology.I want to see real proof &amp; not just a pack of cowards playing mind games.</p>
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		<title>By: JimmyR</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/movie-studios-join-forces-to-sue-isp-over-bittorrent-081120/#comment-515192</link>
		<dc:creator>JimmyR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m about to sue the government entity responsible for building and maintaining roads because other road users are speeding.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Malone is the best chief executive of an ISP the world over. The man is down to earth and on the money with his perception of the industry and consequentially his comments. I listen intently to what he has to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Malone is the best chief executive of an ISP the world over. The man is down to earth and on the money with his perception of the industry and consequentially his comments. I listen intently to what he has to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to nail the geeks-who-want-big-download-quota-and-fast-speed market. They were one of the first to invest in their own DSLAM equipment at the former monopoly Telstra’s exchanges.

Australia’s telco market has not been</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to nail the geeks-who-want-big-download-quota-and-fast-speed market. They were one of the first to invest in their own DSLAM equipment at the former monopoly Telstra’s exchanges.</p>
<p>Australia’s telco market has not been</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know BitTorrent isn&#039;t illegal as it&#039;s a benencoded file. (SHA1 Algorithm)

Any company that tries to sue are going to go after people they cannot get too, Example: Another country, other than the US.

Granted they have tried but ISPs are strict now-in-days and won&#039;t release our information.

Here&#039;s a point of thought of long-time few months ago;

We download Movies.
We download TV Shows.

Providers that complain we do this;

They partner with companies to offer &quot;FREE STREAMING SERVICES&quot;

IMdb: You can watch FREE TV Shows and Movies

YouTube: You can watch FREE TV Shows and Movies. (Soon, not sure if it&#039;s online yet.)

NetFlix and Blockbuster: Offers FREE MOVIE and TV SHOWS watching (From DVDs)

TV Stations: Offer FREE streaming services on their website. (FOX, NBC, ABC, CW Etc...)

They have partners and it&#039;s all &quot;LEGAL&quot;.

When we watch it; We&#039;re using aprox the same amount of bandwidth if we were to download it from BitTorrent.

Only difference is they don&#039;t make money from US getting it from somewhere else.

The fact is, We&#039;re doing stuff illegal when they publicly allow it on their sites and/or partners?

What are we doing so wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know BitTorrent isn&#8217;t illegal as it&#8217;s a benencoded file. (SHA1 Algorithm)</p>
<p>Any company that tries to sue are going to go after people they cannot get too, Example: Another country, other than the US.</p>
<p>Granted they have tried but ISPs are strict now-in-days and won&#8217;t release our information.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a point of thought of long-time few months ago;</p>
<p>We download Movies.<br />
We download TV Shows.</p>
<p>Providers that complain we do this;</p>
<p>They partner with companies to offer &#8220;FREE STREAMING SERVICES&#8221;</p>
<p>IMdb: You can watch FREE TV Shows and Movies</p>
<p>YouTube: You can watch FREE TV Shows and Movies. (Soon, not sure if it&#8217;s online yet.)</p>
<p>NetFlix and Blockbuster: Offers FREE MOVIE and TV SHOWS watching (From DVDs)</p>
<p>TV Stations: Offer FREE streaming services on their website. (FOX, NBC, ABC, CW Etc&#8230;)</p>
<p>They have partners and it&#8217;s all &#8220;LEGAL&#8221;.</p>
<p>When we watch it; We&#8217;re using aprox the same amount of bandwidth if we were to download it from BitTorrent.</p>
<p>Only difference is they don&#8217;t make money from US getting it from somewhere else.</p>
<p>The fact is, We&#8217;re doing stuff illegal when they publicly allow it on their sites and/or partners?</p>
<p>What are we doing so wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aussie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lastly, a fun extract from the Sydney Morning Herald May 26, 2004. Is this chic paranoid or what?

Radar questioned the boss of the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft lobby group, Adrianne Pecotic.

Radar: Video pirates funding terrorism? That&#039;s a big call.

Pecotic: Links between IP [intellectual property] crime and terrorism have been documented by Interpol.

Radar: But how do you know pirates actually fund terrorists?

Pecotic: You have to look at the Interpol report. Piracy attracts people involved in terrorism and organised crime.

Radar: Which terrorists does it fund?

Pecotic: We know of links with Hezbollah and the IRA and other similar terrorist groups.

Radar: Thank you. - Robert Gibson

Pitchy but keen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lastly, a fun extract from the Sydney Morning Herald May 26, 2004. Is this chic paranoid or what?</p>
<p>Radar questioned the boss of the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft lobby group, Adrianne Pecotic.</p>
<p>Radar: Video pirates funding terrorism? That&#8217;s a big call.</p>
<p>Pecotic: Links between IP [intellectual property] crime and terrorism have been documented by Interpol.</p>
<p>Radar: But how do you know pirates actually fund terrorists?</p>
<p>Pecotic: You have to look at the Interpol report. Piracy attracts people involved in terrorism and organised crime.</p>
<p>Radar: Which terrorists does it fund?</p>
<p>Pecotic: We know of links with Hezbollah and the IRA and other similar terrorist groups.</p>
<p>Radar: Thank you. &#8211; Robert Gibson</p>
<p>Pitchy but keen</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aussie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some extracts from Rupert Murdoch&#039;s paper, the Australian.

AUSTRALIA&#039;S biggest film and television companies have ignited a long-simmering war with the internet sector, lodging a lawsuit against Perth-based broadband provider iiNet seeking damages that could run into millions of dollars.

The group, which includes Warner Bros, Sony Pictures, Disney .....  Did you know these companies are Australian??? Come off it, Rupe!!!

The article then fesses up as follows .... 

Twentieth Century Fox, owned by News Corporation, which also owns The Australian, is also party to the action.  AHA!!!!! The plot thickens!!!

So lets review this issue so far. Telstra, the biggest ISP in Australia, also wholesales the new ADSL2+ (20 Mb per second) service to smaller ISPs. So Telstra should be the Prime Target for the film industry law suit.

iinet (http://www.iinet.net.au/) has built a competitive high-speed network offering bundled telephone services for a cheap price, a better deal for consumers, which threatens to cut into Telstra&#039;s monopoly profits. Sol Trujillo, like the US Auto chiefs, has his private jet and is trying to get money from the Aus Government for Broadband expansion.

News Limited, owner of FOX (including that crappy FOXNEWS channel you yanks have to put up with) is also a partner with Telstra in PayTV in Australia, so also has a &quot;triple vested interest&quot; in attacking iinet, the good guys in this saga of greed and corruption from the big end of town. 

The big question for Aussies is &quot;does Prime Minister Kevin Rudd have the balls to take on these monopolists and get the ACCC involved?? 

I hope so. We need to spread these words in the cause of truth and justice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some extracts from Rupert Murdoch&#8217;s paper, the Australian.</p>
<p>AUSTRALIA&#8217;S biggest film and television companies have ignited a long-simmering war with the internet sector, lodging a lawsuit against Perth-based broadband provider iiNet seeking damages that could run into millions of dollars.</p>
<p>The group, which includes Warner Bros, Sony Pictures, Disney &#8230;..  Did you know these companies are Australian??? Come off it, Rupe!!!</p>
<p>The article then fesses up as follows &#8230;. </p>
<p>Twentieth Century Fox, owned by News Corporation, which also owns The Australian, is also party to the action.  AHA!!!!! The plot thickens!!!</p>
<p>So lets review this issue so far. Telstra, the biggest ISP in Australia, also wholesales the new ADSL2+ (20 Mb per second) service to smaller ISPs. So Telstra should be the Prime Target for the film industry law suit.</p>
<p>iinet (<a href="http://www.iinet.net.au/" rel="nofollow">http://www.iinet.net.au/</a>) has built a competitive high-speed network offering bundled telephone services for a cheap price, a better deal for consumers, which threatens to cut into Telstra&#8217;s monopoly profits. Sol Trujillo, like the US Auto chiefs, has his private jet and is trying to get money from the Aus Government for Broadband expansion.</p>
<p>News Limited, owner of FOX (including that crappy FOXNEWS channel you yanks have to put up with) is also a partner with Telstra in PayTV in Australia, so also has a &#8220;triple vested interest&#8221; in attacking iinet, the good guys in this saga of greed and corruption from the big end of town. </p>
<p>The big question for Aussies is &#8220;does Prime Minister Kevin Rudd have the balls to take on these monopolists and get the ACCC involved?? </p>
<p>I hope so. We need to spread these words in the cause of truth and justice!</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aussie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is a very important test case for the internet industry in Australia,&quot; said Peter Coroneos, chief executive of the Internet Industry Association.

&quot;It will test the effect of the safe harbour provisions that were introduced with the US free trade agreement, which provides immunity for ISPs in certain circumstances such as transmission, hosting, caching and referencing activities.&quot;

Coroneos said the IIA board will shortly convene to develop a response on the legal action against iiNet.

But while the movie industry has now stepped up its aggression, the music industry has yet to take legal action against any internet providers over the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is a very important test case for the internet industry in Australia,&#8221; said Peter Coroneos, chief executive of the Internet Industry Association.</p>
<p>&#8220;It will test the effect of the safe harbour provisions that were introduced with the US free trade agreement, which provides immunity for ISPs in certain circumstances such as transmission, hosting, caching and referencing activities.&#8221;</p>
<p>Coroneos said the IIA board will shortly convene to develop a response on the legal action against iiNet.</p>
<p>But while the movie industry has now stepped up its aggression, the music industry has yet to take legal action against any internet providers over the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/movie-studios-join-forces-to-sue-isp-over-bittorrent-081120/#comment-515054</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>read this article on Parallel Importation ( http://www.austlii.edu.au/
au/journals/DTLJ/2003/3.html) 

and particularly para 27.Australia is a relatively small and isolated market, which is attractive because it has a high income per capita. It is also a net importer of copyright material.[43] Parallel importers benefit consumers as they increase the availability of genuine articles at a cheaper price. A free competitive market equates the cost of producing goods with the price an individual consumer is prepared to pay. This maximises the society’s use of resources. As intellectual property rights restrict this they cause market failure, the cost of which consumers bear.&quot;

Aussies currently pay more for DVDs than US consumers because the Australian government often bends over to US lobbyists. But it is coming to an end. iinet should subpeona all correspondence between telstra and Fox and use it in a case to the ACCC (www.accc.gov.au), our anti-trust equivalent. Torrenters, spread these messages to millions by adding them to torrent download pages. We have the combined might to beat these turkeys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read this article on Parallel Importation ( <a href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/" rel="nofollow">http://www.austlii.edu.au/</a><br />
au/journals/DTLJ/2003/3.html) </p>
<p>and particularly para 27.Australia is a relatively small and isolated market, which is attractive because it has a high income per capita. It is also a net importer of copyright material.[43] Parallel importers benefit consumers as they increase the availability of genuine articles at a cheaper price. A free competitive market equates the cost of producing goods with the price an individual consumer is prepared to pay. This maximises the society’s use of resources. As intellectual property rights restrict this they cause market failure, the cost of which consumers bear.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aussies currently pay more for DVDs than US consumers because the Australian government often bends over to US lobbyists. But it is coming to an end. iinet should subpeona all correspondence between telstra and Fox and use it in a case to the ACCC (www.accc.gov.au), our anti-trust equivalent. Torrenters, spread these messages to millions by adding them to torrent download pages. We have the combined might to beat these turkeys!</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aussie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australians laughed the other day when US Auto Execs crying poor and seeking handouts arrived by jet and were slam-dunked by Brad Sherman. The same should apply to Studio heads who fail to drop the price of product to people  willing to get a direct feed. These turkeys are too thick to realise that they cannot stop the internet, and can make more money direct selling at 2 buck a copy than trying to hold onto the past. It&#039;s a wonder they moved from VHS to DVDs!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australians laughed the other day when US Auto Execs crying poor and seeking handouts arrived by jet and were slam-dunked by Brad Sherman. The same should apply to Studio heads who fail to drop the price of product to people  willing to get a direct feed. These turkeys are too thick to realise that they cannot stop the internet, and can make more money direct selling at 2 buck a copy than trying to hold onto the past. It&#8217;s a wonder they moved from VHS to DVDs!!</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/movie-studios-join-forces-to-sue-isp-over-bittorrent-081120/#comment-515046</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australia&#039;s biggest ISP (Telstra Bigpond)is run by a Yank, Sol Trujillo, who should have been the studios&#039; first target. However, he has deals for distribution of Studio content so they have conspired to not touch him. google his name and you see he gets paid $16 million a year, despite his share price tanking. But Guess what? If iinet is broken by the INVADERS he will try to pick up the market share! The Headline should read BIG STUDIOS ATTACKING SMALL ISP TO BENEFIT TELSTRA. Run this to your Antitrust people, with the news that it threatens the USFTA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australia&#8217;s biggest ISP (Telstra Bigpond)is run by a Yank, Sol Trujillo, who should have been the studios&#8217; first target. However, he has deals for distribution of Studio content so they have conspired to not touch him. google his name and you see he gets paid $16 million a year, despite his share price tanking. But Guess what? If iinet is broken by the INVADERS he will try to pick up the market share! The Headline should read BIG STUDIOS ATTACKING SMALL ISP TO BENEFIT TELSTRA. Run this to your Antitrust people, with the news that it threatens the USFTA.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/movie-studios-join-forces-to-sue-isp-over-bittorrent-081120/#comment-515043</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facts:
1. All ISPs in Australia offer 1.5 M speeds under ADSL2 (See www.Bigpond.com.au)and the Australian Government has a policy to make these speeds available to more than 90% of the nation (http://www.dbcde.gov.au/).
2. The Australai /US Free Trade Agreement was stuck for a long time on copyright issues, with the US Farm Trade lobbies affected. The deal was done by the ex Australian Prime Minister, John Howard and George Bush, who both pandered to the &quot;big end of town&quot; including the studio heads.
3. Torrent lovers should bombard their media and politicians with the news that the StudionBosses will threaten the FTA&#039;s future (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/26/1067103267228.html)
google the words USFTA copyright threatens and see how big this deal could be.
4. Create a page or picture, say a caricuture of a studio boss porking someone or something, copyright it in Australia by adding a the c symbol with the word copyright Australia &quot;all rights reserved&quot; flash it around the networks, including people from sony etc. then  send the message to the new government that Bush&#039;s shonky trade deal will unravel and hurt farmers, auto workers and US Auto subsidiaries in Australia, who were just given Billion Dollar Lifelines from Australian Taxpayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facts:<br />
1. All ISPs in Australia offer 1.5 M speeds under ADSL2 (See <a href="http://www.Bigpond.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.Bigpond.com.au</a>)and the Australian Government has a policy to make these speeds available to more than 90% of the nation (<a href="http://www.dbcde.gov.au/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.dbcde.gov.au/)</a>.<br />
2. The Australai /US Free Trade Agreement was stuck for a long time on copyright issues, with the US Farm Trade lobbies affected. The deal was done by the ex Australian Prime Minister, John Howard and George Bush, who both pandered to the &#8220;big end of town&#8221; including the studio heads.<br />
3. Torrent lovers should bombard their media and politicians with the news that the StudionBosses will threaten the FTA&#8217;s future (<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/26/1067103267228.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/26/1067103267228.html</a>)<br />
google the words USFTA copyright threatens and see how big this deal could be.<br />
4. Create a page or picture, say a caricuture of a studio boss porking someone or something, copyright it in Australia by adding a the c symbol with the word copyright Australia &#8220;all rights reserved&#8221; flash it around the networks, including people from sony etc. then  send the message to the new government that Bush&#8217;s shonky trade deal will unravel and hurt farmers, auto workers and US Auto subsidiaries in Australia, who were just given Billion Dollar Lifelines from Australian Taxpayers.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to my email (#35):

Thank you for your email.

With regards to your query, it is advisable that according to our Customer Relation Agreement we do not give out our customers information.

We only give the information to the police upon request if there is a criminal investigation.

For any additional enquiries please contact us on our support number 13 22 58 or reply to this email.

Kind Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to my email (#35):</p>
<p>Thank you for your email.</p>
<p>With regards to your query, it is advisable that according to our Customer Relation Agreement we do not give out our customers information.</p>
<p>We only give the information to the police upon request if there is a criminal investigation.</p>
<p>For any additional enquiries please contact us on our support number 13 22 58 or reply to this email.</p>
<p>Kind Regards</p>
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