MovieX Leeches From The BitTorrent Community
Written by Ernesto on December 01, 2007The private BitTorrent tracker Moviex has been setup and configured to leech from public BitTorrent users. Through some clever modifications, their tracker allows non-members to seed to the private tracker, while downloading is forbidden.
Private BitTorrent trackers are supposed to be private and for registered members only. A non-member that downloads a torrent from a private tracker will usually get a tracker connection failure in their BitTorrent client. They will not be able to download or upload any data from that torrent, rendering the torrent useless to them. This is the basis that most private trackers work upon, but not Moviex.
Lately, several people have noticed a sudden rise in torrent files being uploaded to public indexing sites like Newtorrents, Mininova, and The Pirate Bay. These uploaded torrent files contain two announce URLs, one from The Pirate Bay and a moviex.info URL that always has the same passkey present, presumably the passkey for an anonymous user.
http://www.moviex.info:2710/...3c73mdqxj31q/announce
http://vip.tracker.thepiratebay.org/announce
To see a pirate bay tracker URL present in a torrent file is nothing out of the ordinary. So what’s special about the moviex.info URL being present in public torrents? Well, the message you get when trying to connect to the moviex.info tracker if you are not a member might give you a hint.
“Failure: access denied, leeching forbidden, you’re only allowed to seed”
Normally you would get something like: “Failure: unregistered torrent pass.” However, moviex.info allows non-members to seed files, while they are not allowed to download. This is a huge bonus for MovieX and its members. Currently, newtorrents.info provides 1000’s of downloads per day to torrent users and reportedly 50% of the available torrents on that site have the moviex.info tracker URL present, the actual percentage may even be be higher.
It is not unusual for private trackers to upload files to public sites. Most of the time this is done to advertise the tracker, so their community grows. However, we don’t see torrents like this very often, I’m not sure if they do this on purpose, but they are definitely leeching bandwidth from people who only use the public tracker. It’s a pretty nice system if you want your private tracker to gain external seeds along with faster download speeds for your members, It’s however also a very damaging method for any user who is not a member of MovieX.info as they will continually upload pieces of the torrent to users who will give very little if anything at all back.
To see exactly what this tracker configuration does and how it works watch the video below. The video shows two clear examples, one of a non seeded file and one of a seeded file using these rogue torrents, obviously for legal reasons we have renamed the torrents that I used for this demonstration (HQ download).
There is a way to prevent the leeching. If you download a torrent file from a public tracker check the tracker URL’s and remove the moviex.info announce URL if it is present. This will stop you seeding the file on that tracker and in turn not allow members of moviex.info to leech data from you. You could also try blocking their IP Address (206.53.62.206) in your IP filter if you are not a member of the MovieX community.
MovieX have taken the time to code this feature into their tracker and at the moment as far as we can tell they are the only private site exploiting this type of dirty hack to leech from external BitTorrent users. What moviex.info should do is configure their tracker not to allow external users without a passkey to connect to their tracker in any way, instead it would seem they have deliberately setup to leech as much data from the public BitTorrent community as possible and boost their own private community speeds. MovieX deny this is the case and claim these torrents to be no more than simple advertising for the site in an attempt to attract new members?
Update: MovieX is now blocked by PeerGuardian, a simple solution is to download and install the application.
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Ernesto has made some good articles but this one is utter crap :(. If moviex is doing something wrong then TPB is for sure aware of it. The fact that TPB does nothing against moviex/loder proves that moviex does nothing wrong. Simple logic, isn’t it?
Well, loder is from Sweden and in very good relations with the Pirate Bay guys. I doubt that if loder would stop uploading to TPB the others will fill the gap entirely. So thank you all the uploaders and f%ck you all the winers.
[quote comment="228876"]Ernesto,
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the bittorrent protocol works. Your client either receives a peer list or it does not. If it does not receive a peer list, then you will not upload anything to their members, either. It’s impossible. If you do receive a peer list, you will upload AND download from their members. The tracker cannot control whether peers upload or download to each other.
The most they could possibly do is only give you IPs of peers who are not currently seeds, but still downloading; That may be what the slyck.com response is referring to, but he doesn’t really make that clear. In any event, you will be downloading pieces from those peers as they receive them, and they will eventually become seeds themselves.
I would describe that as a badly worded error message, but there is no way that it can be described as bandwidth theft.
I’ve never heard of MoviesX, but I think you owe them an apology, because judging by these comments, you’ve got your readers believing that MovieX is “cheating” somehow, when the fact is you are just uninformed.
–p2p
–cheggit admin[/quote]
You’re partially right. The only way this would work is if the movieX members recieved a .torrent file without the TPB tracker, and the movieX tracker only published seeding peers for non-members. That said my suspicion is the movieX .torrent file contains the TPB tracker anyway, thus nullifying the argument.
But I agree with your first comment. Relying on the error messages from the tracker as an informed source shows a fundemental misunderstanding in the protocol.
How to block MovieX.org:
1.) Go to your HOSTS file.
Windows XP / Vista = C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS\ETC
Windows XP = C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS\ETC
Windows 2K = C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS\ETC
Win 98/ME = C:\WINDOWS
2.) Open up your HOSTS file and add MovieX.org to your HOSTS file.
3.) Save.
Add “www.moviex.info 127.0.0.1″ instead of MovieX.org to your HOSTS file.
They should take a bath.
What? Content pirates taking something for nothing? SAY IT AIN’T SO!
Now THAT is delicious irony.
You moviex members are idiots. The whole point of this is that your moviex community is taking without giving. So what “loder” uploaded the torrent first. That’s like saying I paid to get into Disneyland, therefore, I get to bring my 100 friends who didn’t pay the fee to also ride the rides. Loder uploaded for the specific reason to generate more seeds for moviex which means faster speeds for the moviex community which means they can JUSTIFY their SUBSCRIPTION service.
[quote]Ernesto has made some good articles but this one is utter crap :(. If moviex is doing something wrong then TPB is for sure aware of it. The fact that TPB does nothing against moviex/loder proves that moviex does nothing wrong. Simple logic, isn’t it?[/quote]
That’s not logic…
What do you expect TPB to do?
We’re all pirates, not thieves.
In the whole Pirates trilogy, have you ever seen any of the characters pay for anything? NO.
Same thing for BT, Trackers, and anything related to BT. Its made to be free of charge.
The only thing a BT user pays for is their bandwidth, so it ticks people off when someone is exploiting something they pay for and make a profit from it.
Through your complaints what you all want to see is MovieX become a public tracker…simple as that…this is the only system that allows us to share externally and yet keep it fair for us…
Wrong, either go public or stay strictly private. The public doesn’t need you to share jack shit. You make it seem as if your the sole source for scene releases and that the entire BT community would die without you. All moviex is doing is raping public upload bandwidth for being one source out of possible thousands.
torrents on moviex are free and fast to download. Did I mention they are free? Maybe I should say it again FREE. I didn’t notice the ‘R’ removed from Free at any place on moviex. So I am sure they are free.
The VIP donations cover the cost of direct downloads that are not torrent files. Note the wording NOT TORRENT FILES. You don’t have to become a VIP or donate for anything to access the torrent files. You donate of your own free will (and noone on moviex has a gun to your head at any time) ONLY if you want Direct Downloads to get whatever you want even faster than the moviex torrent community can give you. People dont have to join the moviex community if they dont want to. It’s a choice you make of your own accord and lots of people made the choice to join and are quite happy being there (I know this by looking at the amount of people logged onto Moviex at any given time).
People are not banned for not paying for direct downloads its a choice given to members who would like faster downloads than torrents. You will get banned from downloading for not seeding back up to .80 after a 4 gig download and the ban only lasts for as long as your ratio is below .80, you could get banned for breaking rules that are their to protect our community but this is a rare occurence.
Oh and Admins don’t get paid to help out. I know this because I am an admin on Moviex.
As for the leeching that people here are complaining about I believe that to be a leecher you have to download and not seed back but if you cant download in the first place there is nothing to give back. Which is your complaint right? So It would appear to me that someone must be seeding in the first place for anyone to get anything and that person is ‘Loder’and in return for his seeding to the torrenting community outside of Moviex and using his own server for all the New Releases he quickly gets to you, what he gets is to advertises his own site. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
Its a win win situation for everyone.
You get new releases fast and he gets some recognition for his work.
lol reading this made me laugh at how some people can say alot of shit without knowing anything about what they are talking about
1 ive had a membership with moviex for a long time and my ratio is always between 2 and 3 and i havent ever paid a cent and never had any admins tell me i had to
2 i cant see how ANYBODY that isnt a leecher or had a membership to a private site before could get banned after they had only just signed up the .80 ratio rule doesnt kick in till you have downloaded 4 gig and if your ratio hadnt updated you can always contact a mod and get that fixed up its not the sites fault that you dont care about your ratio
3 the whole tracker thing is bullshit when you download the torrent from moviex it inculdes the TPB tracker aswell so we are all downloading and uploading to everyone cept moviex members have there ratio counted for the moviex tracker and a faster download and tpb users see a message from moviex to get more members to get them a faster download aswell theres no stealing about it
4 moviex is prob the only private site that always have the doors open for new members and dont try to act like they are better than everyone else the only thing they ask is that you keep a good ratio and honestly thats not 2 much 2 ask is it?
“Loder uploaded for the specific reason to generate more seeds for moviex which means faster speeds for the moviex community which means they can JUSTIFY their SUBSCRIPTION service.”
Persackly…
(Say it ain’t so, loder. No? Thought not…)
Everyone:
Use the HOST file hack, remove the URL from each torrent file individually, or add moviex to your PG banlist.
We _can_ stop this…
As TorrentMama put it so well on Slyck, I’ll repeat her fine words here:
“Why can’t you get it through your head that file sharers only want to upload to people that they can download from? It’s actually the very principal bittorrent was built upon. BT users, generally, are more than happy to share with the swarm they are in. But they don’t want to have to share with the swarm to keep the public torrent going AND have to lend their bandwidth to exclusive moviex members that they don’t get anything from.
And don’t hand me that bullshit again that they are getting something because a generous moviex uploader put the torrent on a public site and seeds it for a while. There is nothing generous about that action.
He’s initally giving something, but to what end? It’s not about sharing, it’s about increasing moviex’s profile and it’s about increasing it’s members downloading speed at the expense of the public tracker users. People don’t like that. this shouldn’t be a hard concept to grasp.”
yvonne: Did you watch the vid in the article? Once someone on the private tracker finshes their download they are then converted into a seeder for moviex members who until this point in time and with the exception of loder haven’t contributed anything to the swarm. That is what everyone has problem with. I can tell you now that moviex will get will far more bandwidth in return from the public then any amount loder contributed on his leet connection. Which is ironic considering moviex uses ratios to protect itself from deadbeat leechers. Prevent public tracker seeders from ever connecting to exclusive moviex leechers and this public relation beatdown goes away. If this means loder stops uploaidng to PB, I’m perfectly fine with that solution. Either make it a two street or just go away.
To block moviex leechers:
Add 206.53.62.206 to your ipfilter.dat file
Or add 127.0.0.1 http://www.moviex.info to your host file
Now you never have manually delete moviex tracker data. Either one of the above two methods will do it for you. Peerguardian may add moviex to their block lists.
I was told by a source that MovieX was changing IP to counter this block amongst other reasons now.
Ernesto, can you plz follow up with this?
This needs to be stopped. I myself have submitted the site and its numerous ’subscription packages’ to many different authority figures.
MovieX WILL GO DOWN.
first of all
they aren’t subscription packages
which retard gave you this idea?
its a donation board… why don’t u go have a look properly
making such dumb comments shows how low your IQ really is
yeah sure while your reporting, go report pirate bay, torrentlecch, infact go report every single torrent site which have donation boards and adverts..
if loder stops uploading to pirate bay, you will see the inpact
Piratebay is run by retards, used by retards.
Moviex saw an advantage to make torrents faster by taking advantage of retards.
I see no problem with that.
If you use PB. You are an idiot.
If you think PB is revolutionizing the way people pirate, You are an idiot.
If you think that they will change copyright law, You are an Idiot.
Bittorrent is a slow and crappy way to download anyway, but if your going to do it, go private, or semi-private with open registrations.
Moviex has never asked me for money ONCE, and I have NEVER been below 1-1 for ratio, If you are on this board complaining about it being a pay site, and unfairly taking money, You are no better then the cops who busted OiNK up.
Moviex gets scene releases much faster then the piratebay, and in proper format as well, I might add. I detect a hint of jealousy in these posts, Probably because of the fact PB gets nothing but run-offs from other sites. Similar to Limewire or KaZZA.
The Piratebay is nothing more then a dump of poorly seeded, Mismatched, Unorganized, pathetic excuse for a torrent site, Which, actually I will admit, I help make it that way. On the rare occasion PB has something older that I can’t find, Or one of my private sites is down, I will download a torrent, and never seed it back. Fuck PB. I am proud to say I have never seeded a torrent on PB back to LESS than half. You don’t deserve my speed.
Please, instead of running your mouths off, SIGN UP for moviex. IT’S FUCKING FREE. And when you realize: “Holy fuck, I can keep a ratio on this site! Holy fuck, I have an actual download speed. Holy fuck, It’s actually organized!” You too can piss on PB as I do. It’s old, It’s broken, It’s not the fucking future. Let it go and move on to better things for fuck sakes.
You can pay money for VIP direct downloads, but I see no need to, I can download a new scene released movie in half an hour, with no problems, the same file on PB would take me at LEAST 6.
Protip: Nothing makes you seem like more of a retard than using Piratebay and bitching when someone takes advantage of you.
Ernesto, Please, for the sake of your “community” shut the fuck up.
PS. Thank you Piratebay for making my download speeds that much faster. Keep waving your flags.
PPS. anakata, Suck my dick.
yeah yeah yeah whatever…
thief!!
moviex = leechers that need public tracker to buff up their speeds.
its nothing to do with money and all to do with you raping public tracker sites for their bandwidth to raise your own cos you are scum sucking wankers
“private sites suck” obviously likes slow downloads and people capping their upload ratio to 1kbs.
Ok lets look at the last comment.
“moviex = leechers that need public tracker to buff up their speeds.
its nothing to do with money and all to do with you raping public tracker sites for their bandwidth to raise your own cos you are scum sucking wankers”
Ok valid argument lets dissect it shall we?
“moviex = leechers that need public tracker to buff up their speeds.”
**Answer** NO! Look at any private site Oink (rip :P) underground-gamer kraytracker, etc. It is not hard to maintain speed due to ratio restrictions…..Retard.
“its nothing to do with money and all to do with you raping public tracker sites for their bandwidth to raise your own”
***ANSWER*** Ever think you deserve it? Shit runs down hill. It all comes from the SCENE. The SCENE hates me (private sites) So I hate you (public sites) go ahead and hate Limewire or something….Retard.
“cos you are scum sucking wankers”
***Answer*** Yes, Yes, I am. Britfag.
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