MovieX Leeches From The BitTorrent Community
Written by Ernesto on December 01, 2007The private BitTorrent tracker Moviex has been setup and configured to leech from public BitTorrent users. Through some clever modifications, their tracker allows non-members to seed to the private tracker, while downloading is forbidden.
Private BitTorrent trackers are supposed to be private and for registered members only. A non-member that downloads a torrent from a private tracker will usually get a tracker connection failure in their BitTorrent client. They will not be able to download or upload any data from that torrent, rendering the torrent useless to them. This is the basis that most private trackers work upon, but not Moviex.
Lately, several people have noticed a sudden rise in torrent files being uploaded to public indexing sites like Newtorrents, Mininova, and The Pirate Bay. These uploaded torrent files contain two announce URLs, one from The Pirate Bay and a moviex.info URL that always has the same passkey present, presumably the passkey for an anonymous user.
http://www.moviex.info:2710/...3c73mdqxj31q/announce
http://vip.tracker.thepiratebay.org/announce
To see a pirate bay tracker URL present in a torrent file is nothing out of the ordinary. So what’s special about the moviex.info URL being present in public torrents? Well, the message you get when trying to connect to the moviex.info tracker if you are not a member might give you a hint.
“Failure: access denied, leeching forbidden, you’re only allowed to seed”
Normally you would get something like: “Failure: unregistered torrent pass.” However, moviex.info allows non-members to seed files, while they are not allowed to download. This is a huge bonus for MovieX and its members. Currently, newtorrents.info provides 1000’s of downloads per day to torrent users and reportedly 50% of the available torrents on that site have the moviex.info tracker URL present, the actual percentage may even be be higher.
It is not unusual for private trackers to upload files to public sites. Most of the time this is done to advertise the tracker, so their community grows. However, we don’t see torrents like this very often, I’m not sure if they do this on purpose, but they are definitely leeching bandwidth from people who only use the public tracker. It’s a pretty nice system if you want your private tracker to gain external seeds along with faster download speeds for your members, It’s however also a very damaging method for any user who is not a member of MovieX.info as they will continually upload pieces of the torrent to users who will give very little if anything at all back.
To see exactly what this tracker configuration does and how it works watch the video below. The video shows two clear examples, one of a non seeded file and one of a seeded file using these rogue torrents, obviously for legal reasons we have renamed the torrents that I used for this demonstration (HQ download).
There is a way to prevent the leeching. If you download a torrent file from a public tracker check the tracker URL’s and remove the moviex.info announce URL if it is present. This will stop you seeding the file on that tracker and in turn not allow members of moviex.info to leech data from you. You could also try blocking their IP Address (206.53.62.206) in your IP filter if you are not a member of the MovieX community.
MovieX have taken the time to code this feature into their tracker and at the moment as far as we can tell they are the only private site exploiting this type of dirty hack to leech from external BitTorrent users. What moviex.info should do is configure their tracker not to allow external users without a passkey to connect to their tracker in any way, instead it would seem they have deliberately setup to leech as much data from the public BitTorrent community as possible and boost their own private community speeds. MovieX deny this is the case and claim these torrents to be no more than simple advertising for the site in an attempt to attract new members?
Update: MovieX is now blocked by PeerGuardian, a simple solution is to download and install the application.
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“Loder uploaded for the specific reason to generate more seeds for moviex which means faster speeds for the moviex community which means they can JUSTIFY their SUBSCRIPTION service.”
Persackly…
(Say it ain’t so, loder. No? Thought not…)
Everyone:
Use the HOST file hack, remove the URL from each torrent file individually, or add moviex to your PG banlist.
We _can_ stop this…
As TorrentMama put it so well on Slyck, we’ll repeat her fine words here:
“Why can’t you get it through your head that file sharers only want to upload to people that they can download from? It’s actually the very principal bittorrent was built upon. BT users, generally, are more than happy to share with the swarm they are in. But they don’t want to have to share with the swarm to keep the public torrent going AND have to lend their bandwidth to exclusive moviex members that they don’t get anything from.
And don’t hand me that bullshit again that they are getting something because a generous moviex uploader put the torrent on a public site and seeds it for a while. There is nothing generous about that action.
He’s initally giving something, but to what end? It’s not about sharing, it’s about increasing moviex’s profile and it’s about increasing it’s members downloading speed at the expense of the public tracker users. People don’t like that. this shouldn’t be a hard concept to grasp.”
To RAMA, gusty66 and all the other movieX.info defenders and believers:
Something in your declaration and claims seem to be profoundly screwed up!
EITHER
the bittorrent protocol would give you (moviex) no control about who’s leeching from whom - THEN YOU CANNOT pay premium subscriptions and advertise faster uploads for vips.
OR
you can prohibit and manipulate connections between peers with your tracker and then your are exploiting public seeders to add seeding to your members while not giving anything back at all.
Either way arround it looks like you are cheating anyway:
Either you betray your paying customers by taking money for proclaimed benefits you cannot provide - or you abuse the community to make money from a high performance download service that actually the NON-movieX-member free p2p-community is providing (that seed to your members without getting anything back!)
And that’s probably the only reason why you care about uploading to big public trackers: Not because you care about the community - but simply because the more publicly sharing peers you can exploit, the more money you can make with your alleged premium service that is acctually provided by the NON-MEMBERS hooked from public sites.
Either way arround your moviex.info-site and all your proclaimed public seeding attitude looks like serving just a single purpose:
MAKING MONEY FROM SUBSCRIBERS.
Either you cannot offer special service or you sell service that is actually provided by the free nonmoviex community.
EITHER WAY YOU ARE SCAMMERS TO RIP OFF OTHERS!!!
And for your “you can subscribe and stay for free” attitude:
If your members actually leech from public peers but cannot seed back you definetly employ another mean disguised scheme that either forces your members to subscribe an PAY or get kicked out sooner or later since the non-paying members will never ever be able to seed back to your closed community remotely what bandwidth they leech from the peers of public tracker sites.
Looks like another well thought scam to trick people into paying for moviex betrayal of the global 2p2-community.
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just a final note: peerguardian has listed and is blocking your tracker as “p2p-abusers” - and they definetly did right with that and make the point.
And to all newbies: use peerguardian http://phoenixlabs.org/ and get rid of anti-p2p companies, MPAA, RIAA and those cheaters of moviex.info!
My client does not seed a single byte to those cheaters and keeps the free community alive!
Just like it should be ;)
[quote comment="229348"]
Please, instead of running your mouths off, SIGN UP for moviex.
Ernesto, Please, for the sake of your “community” shut the fuck up.
[/quote]
Unbelievable Idiot!
you bitch about TPB - You pride yourself in exploiting others … and than you ask them to sign up to the movieX wankers and demand Ernesto to shut up about revealing the scam you try to profit from for “the sake of [the] community”?!?
The only retard to see here is yourself!!!
Your statement perfectly shows who to expect from joining moviex - people who try to rip off others in any way they can….
Another good reason never to join and never to pay a cent to such a “community of suckers”
Guess what, my peerguardian blocks you!!!
And Hurray to Ernesto for adressing this issue …
this issue has been discussed with the author
u will see all your comments go down the shit hole
moviex does not profit from its members
just curious…. sigh. .. It’s not a scam.
I’m Sorry. It Has To Be Said.
Ready??
This is going to sting
THE PIRATEBAY SUCKS ASS!!! STOP FUCKING USING IT THE LAST THING PIRACY NEEDS TO BE IS MAINSTREAM YOU SCREAMING MOUTHBREATHING FUCKHEADS!
Ahem.
And Ernesto Didn’t reveal shit.
If PB users got their heads out of there asses and learned how bittorrent clients worked, they would see.
A. When you right click an active torrent it says the active trackers it is connected to.
Holy shit. WTF is moviex? OMG SECRET SCAM HAX!!! Use your heads idiots.
B. There is a “message” or “alert” ticker somewhere in your client. This display gives you messages on what your client is doing.
Ernesto didn’t reveal anything. He merely inserted his hand in your collective anus’ and pulled your heads out. Quit thinking it’s a scam. You sound like a dumbass defending a public site.
I’m sorry, 3rd post in a row but I have to vent.
Everyone on this board, Torrentfreak Admin included: We have all missed the point anyways.
We are fighting and bitching over something that isn’t ours in the first place, and NO I don’t mean copyright holders, I mean rippers and the scene.
Now I’m sure many people can agree that 95% of material comes from the scene. None of this was intended for torrent sites in the first place. So why are we bitching over something we really have no right to share in the first place?
Be happy with what you have. PB is getting the short end of the stick on this deal. Boo-fucking-hoo. Your public. The watered down runny shit of the piracy community. What the hell do you expect?
Private is admittedly not much better, but we are better enough that we can tell you to shut the fuck up, respect the material that you are lucky to get.
My 9 year old sister downloads from the piratebay and ISOHUNT. I honestly feel I need to start talking to you people on the same level I do as her.
[quote comment="229366"]As TorrentMama put it so well on Slyck, we’ll repeat her fine words here:
“Why can’t you get it through your head that file sharers only want to upload to people that they can download from? It’s actually the very principal bittorrent was built upon. BT users, generally, are more than happy to share with the swarm they are in. But they don’t want to have to share with the swarm to keep the public torrent going AND have to lend their bandwidth to exclusive moviex members that they don’t get anything from.
And don’t hand me that bullshit again that they are getting something because a generous moviex uploader put the torrent on a public site and seeds it for a while. There is nothing generous about that action.
He’s initally giving something, but to what end? It’s not about sharing, it’s about increasing moviex’s profile and it’s about increasing it’s members downloading speed at the expense of the public tracker users. People don’t like that. this shouldn’t be a hard concept to grasp.”[/quote]
Good point there. I’m sorry.
you lame comments are useless
what proof do you have that i am profiting, have i been on a holiday? NO
NO proof, dont talk
230 thousand member yes,
how many are active? do u know? NO U DONT
lol @ u get banned for 1:1 ratio?
where did u get this garbarge from? the ratio requirement is 0.80
dont talk trash without knowing the facts
Who won actually?
The tracker is changed and now open.
Go fuck yourself.
And thanks again Ernesto.
An update would be nice.
[quote comment="229420"]you lame comments are useless
what proof do you have that i am profiting, have i been on a holiday? NO
NO proof, dont talk
230 thousand member yes,
how many are active? do u know? NO U DONT
lol @ u get banned for 1:1 ratio?
where did u get this garbarge from? the ratio requirement is 0.80
dont talk trash without knowing the facts[/quote]
I won’t reply to a comment written like it was typed by a dyslexic monkey on acid.
[quote comment="229348"]Piratebay is run by retards, used by retards and other mindless rantings.[/quote]
You are what’s wrong with pirating. Instead of sharing files for what they are, you’re determined to polarize things and turn it into some moral battle.
Guess who cares about the fact that you slight TPB?
Not the thousands of users on TPB everyday. Not the admins of MovieX. You think they care what some newb like yourself thinks about their site? Rama is too busy sniffing glue to care, and the others are far too busy counting the cash flow.
In essence, your opinion is meaningless and your actions contribute nothing to the BT community or the Internet Rights effort, which most poster on this thread actually contribute to.
You my friend, are an angry elitist who manages to be excruciatingly worthless
[quote comment="229394"]
We are fighting and bitching over something that isn’t ours in the first place, and NO I don’t mean copyright holders, I mean rippers and the scene.
Now I’m sure many people can agree that 95% of material comes from the scene. None of this was intended for torrent sites in the first place. So why are we bitching over something we really have no right to share in the first place?[/quote]
You do understand that thanks to torrentsites a lot more rippers and uploaders has come fourth and the 95% actually are approximately +-70% where +-50% are duplicated torrents.
And if the Scene stop releasing we’ll still see new torrents etc. A reason there are not so many releasers on torrent is that there already are more than tousands from the Scene. So if the scene goes away we’ll see a downfall of torrents in 2-5 weeks and then it’s almost back to normal again, thanks to new releasers.
GTFO, if you can’t generalizate and see a “What-If” perspective.
“Looks like the PG2 has updated their blocklist to include moviex”
If that’s true, that’s another reason to steer clear of PeerGuardian and BlueTack. What’s next? Banning an IP address because it hosts a blog they don’t like? The only good ban ever from them, was when they banned their own range.
Yep, the guys running MovieX are cunts, thanks for giving their IP so that we can ban it.
*sigh*
ppl dont see that moviex is a business (with the goal of generating profit). they wont admit that of course!!
all bt sites are a business (with h33t as an exception.. i think.. who knows).
its not unusual for business to exploit anything for their own benefit. moviex just happens to have its strategy busted lol.
[quote]Please, instead of running your mouths off, SIGN UP for moviex. IT’S FUCKING FREE. And when you realize: “Holy fuck, I can keep a ratio on this site! Holy fuck, I have an actual download speed. Holy fuck, It’s actually organized!” You too can piss on PB as I do. It’s old, It’s broken, It’s not the fucking future. Let it go and move on to better things for fuck sakes.[/quote]
I’d rather not sign up to a site of leechers like moviex.
Anyone can sign up. Here’s what its costs to stay. If you do not pay, they will ban you on your first d/l.
“”Subscription Packages”” SOLD PER MOVIEX
1 Month Access ( $6.00 )
3 Months Access ( $12.00, Save $6 )
5 Months Access ( $15.00, Save $15 )
7 Months Access ( $25.00, Save $17 )
9 Months Access ( $35.00, Save $19 )
12 Months Access ( $42.00, Save $30 )
24 Months Access ( $60.00, Save $84 )
Enjoy.
[quote comment="229495"]“Looks like the PG2 has updated their blocklist to include moviex”
If that’s true, that’s another reason to steer clear of PeerGuardian and BlueTack. What’s next? Banning an IP address because it hosts a blog they don’t like? The only good ban ever from them, was when they banned their own range.[/quote]
Cool, just keep on _not_ using PG. Post back when the MPAA wankers have forced your ISP to terminate your service.
What a douche…
[quote comment="229504"]*sigh*
ppl dont see that moviex is a business (with the goal of generating profit). they wont admit that of course!!
all bt sites are a business (with h33t as an exception.. i think.. who knows).
its not unusual for business to exploit anything for their own benefit. moviex just happens to have its strategy busted lol.[/quote]
*sigh*
No matter what you may have ASSumed, not all BT sites are designed to generate capital. You’ve also punctured your own bubble quite nicely with the following drivel: “.. i think.. who knows”.
Also, ‘ppl’ _do_ see “that MovieX is a business” - that’s what all the fuss is all about FFS!
MovieX.info is a great site.
[quote]Cool, just keep on _not_ using PG. Post back when the MPAA wankers have forced your ISP to terminate your service.[/quote]
Don’t pretend to know what you don’t.
The bluetack lists are very bad. They hardly help at all and do far more harm then the miniscule good they do.
1 - It’s actually spelt ‘minuscule’ but, hey, that’s just one of those ‘details’ you keep hearing about but failing to research in order to discover what the _actual_ truth of the matter is.
2 - I don’t believe I ever mentioned bluetack. Yet another ‘detail’ sails wildly above your head to the tune of “Captain Pugwash”.
“Doodle-oo-doo-doo-doodle-doodle-doodle-do…”
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