MovieX Leeches From The BitTorrent Community
Written by Ernesto on December 01, 2007The private BitTorrent tracker Moviex has been setup and configured to leech from public BitTorrent users. Through some clever modifications, their tracker allows non-members to seed to the private tracker, while downloading is forbidden.
Private BitTorrent trackers are supposed to be private and for registered members only. A non-member that downloads a torrent from a private tracker will usually get a tracker connection failure in their BitTorrent client. They will not be able to download or upload any data from that torrent, rendering the torrent useless to them. This is the basis that most private trackers work upon, but not Moviex.
Lately, several people have noticed a sudden rise in torrent files being uploaded to public indexing sites like Newtorrents, Mininova, and The Pirate Bay. These uploaded torrent files contain two announce URLs, one from The Pirate Bay and a moviex.info URL that always has the same passkey present, presumably the passkey for an anonymous user.
http://www.moviex.info:2710/...3c73mdqxj31q/announce
http://vip.tracker.thepiratebay.org/announce
To see a pirate bay tracker URL present in a torrent file is nothing out of the ordinary. So what’s special about the moviex.info URL being present in public torrents? Well, the message you get when trying to connect to the moviex.info tracker if you are not a member might give you a hint.
“Failure: access denied, leeching forbidden, you’re only allowed to seed”
Normally you would get something like: “Failure: unregistered torrent pass.” However, moviex.info allows non-members to seed files, while they are not allowed to download. This is a huge bonus for MovieX and its members. Currently, newtorrents.info provides 1000’s of downloads per day to torrent users and reportedly 50% of the available torrents on that site have the moviex.info tracker URL present, the actual percentage may even be be higher.
It is not unusual for private trackers to upload files to public sites. Most of the time this is done to advertise the tracker, so their community grows. However, we don’t see torrents like this very often, I’m not sure if they do this on purpose, but they are definitely leeching bandwidth from people who only use the public tracker. It’s a pretty nice system if you want your private tracker to gain external seeds along with faster download speeds for your members, It’s however also a very damaging method for any user who is not a member of MovieX.info as they will continually upload pieces of the torrent to users who will give very little if anything at all back.
To see exactly what this tracker configuration does and how it works watch the video below. The video shows two clear examples, one of a non seeded file and one of a seeded file using these rogue torrents, obviously for legal reasons we have renamed the torrents that I used for this demonstration (HQ download).
There is a way to prevent the leeching. If you download a torrent file from a public tracker check the tracker URL’s and remove the moviex.info announce URL if it is present. This will stop you seeding the file on that tracker and in turn not allow members of moviex.info to leech data from you. You could also try blocking their IP Address (206.53.62.206) in your IP filter if you are not a member of the MovieX community.
MovieX have taken the time to code this feature into their tracker and at the moment as far as we can tell they are the only private site exploiting this type of dirty hack to leech from external BitTorrent users. What moviex.info should do is configure their tracker not to allow external users without a passkey to connect to their tracker in any way, instead it would seem they have deliberately setup to leech as much data from the public BitTorrent community as possible and boost their own private community speeds. MovieX deny this is the case and claim these torrents to be no more than simple advertising for the site in an attempt to attract new members?
Update: MovieX is now blocked by PeerGuardian, a simple solution is to download and install the application.
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“Piratebay is run by retards, used by retards.
Moviex saw an advantage to make torrents faster by taking advantage of retards.
I see no problem with that.”
That is so so true! The people that seed on open trackers are the most stupid I can imagine! Most of the users there cap the upload to 1 KB/s and remove the torrent as soon as they finish downloading. I’ve read more than once comments like this: “How do I play this files? / You extract with winrar and delete them.” or “I set uTorrent to stop when download finishes and didn’t stop. What I do wrong?”. That’s the explanation why torrents die so quickly on public trackers, there are mostly hit and runners. Go to a decent tracker that ask for a seed ratio if you don’t want to be screwed by hit and runners and need some download speed. And don’t forget to seed back what you have downloaded or you will be banned and end up on a lame public tracker again.
About PeerGuardian: you can put back the moviex tracker on a separate permitted list.
@171 you’re a retard. our auto ban system only comes into play once you have downloaded at least 4 gb’s so yes if your very first download is over 4 gigs. and you wasnt able to manage to upload to match the required .80 ratio - then you are, in fact shit outta luck. you’ll be autobanned. only until* you seed back on that torrent(s) till you get your moviex site ratio back to .80 - then you are auto unbanned. so get your crap straight before you think you know how it works. as most of you here think you know what you’re talking about.
yes in the beginning its hard to keep the required ratio. without the chance of being banned. just being smart about it from the start is all you need. dont download a huge file your first time (duh) stick to active torrents with lots of peers the first couple times, so there are plenty to seed back too.
and once you get a small buffer in your ratio and a handful of gigs under your belt. you’ll be just fine - need me to hold your hand while you cross the street too?
and popular the retard community’s popular belief WE DO NOT BAN because you dont donate, thats just absurd to say. and a flat out LIE. our system auto bans you if your share ratio falls below .80 - nothing more. has nothing to do with donating or not.
because, face the obvious - if you donate, you become a VIP member, hence you are not required to abide by the sites ratios rules (one of the perks) and wouldnt be banned regardless of your ratio.
and as said above - once you get your share ratio back above whats required - then you are auto unbanned. whats so complicated
I agree d_bo, I mean why is it so complicated to understand that you run a business, where you use loder to add torrents at a BT website that would do fine without him in order to make your business run faster, taking tons more than you give, for a profit no less.
I mean what is hard to comprehend about your convoluted site rules and exceptions.
What is SO DIFFICULT to get about the fact that for profit subscription services are what work AGAINST the battle in Internet Rights?
I really don’t see the big deal. I signed up for free at moviex less than a week ago and my ratio is about 64:9. In fact, since this article was posted, my uploads haven’t slowed at all. Though, granted I’ve actually been seeding about twice as much as it reports, I don’t really care and it’s not that difficult to maintain a ratio. So feel free to block, my downloads and uploads ave still been great.
[quote]1 - It’s actually spelt ‘minuscule’ but, hey, that’s just one of those ‘details’ you keep hearing about but failing to research in order to discover what the _actual_ truth of the matter is.[/quote]
I knew it was spelled wrong (firefox underlines it in red), but it didn’t matter. It’s just a slightly misspelled word, you can still manage to figure out what I said, couldn’t you?
[quote]2 - I don’t believe I ever mentioned bluetack. Yet another ‘detail’ sails wildly above your head to the tune of “Captain Pugwash”.[/quote]
Oh, then there’s that other popular blocklist, what’s it called…
:P
you can also reach moviex at http://www.we-hit-and-run.com
MovieX sucks, their staff is queer(obviously seen here), and their fanboi preteens posting here of course suck even more.
Congratulations MovieX, you fail.
You FAIL with the highest fail p2p can offer.
Enjoy your FAIL. Losers.
here how to moviex communty works the video show everting
http://www.filefactory.com/file/4c2c60/
> Truth about moviex & seeding, All facts revealed about our system.
[quote comment="229635"]> Truth about moviex & seeding, All facts revealed about our system.[/quote]
Yeah, and the p2p crowd rushes to see what you have to offer.
MovieX has lost ALL credibility in the public p2p world. Much too late to try and change that.
Your admins and fanboys have skated around the topic at hand for days, on numerous sites, and now you want to offer a video which surely includes the latest changes to the tracker(just made in the past 24hrs) and contains again nothing on the topic which is (was) at hand.
Bullshit, you’re creeps and I wouldn’t believe anything which holds your site as source.
FAIL.
I find it hilarious that the MovieX slurpers that keep posting their inane, drivel-laden responses can do nothing but regurgitate, parrot-fashion, ratio stats & COMPLETELY FAIL to address the SALIENT POINTS of this thread; to whit & for the most part, the true nature of torrenting.
For a quick recap, simply scan a couple of the posts numbered 68, 76, 103, 107, 140, 142 & 151 (while 62 makes a related point in a coarser fashion, it is telling nonetheless).
There’s plenty of meat here, yet - oddly enough - none of the REAL ISSUES discussed therein have been tackled by MovieX’s fanbois.
I don’t blame them, though. There IS nothing they can say save that they incriminate themselves - or at least their usurer supervisors; desperate to keep a rein on their golden goose.
Will you worshippers of Mammon ever realise that once money is involved, then principles & integrity are invariably sacrificed - for ever. Honestly? I fucking doubt it…
Dance on, spankards.
dont talk bullshit the video is a real how to system works and and the show the archives 100% wrong some people dont understand becuse the system frist tim in the world test in moviex and the show why access denied, leeching forbidden, you’re only allowed to seed”
the becume if we get online leech the some people hack passkey ever system the system very new the programed by moviex and letter people know the. we talk to TPB and we coming to we get online tracker the week for test if people hack the passkey and crash the system now the moviex tracker was online 24H and we get 34hack server and the hack coming from leech so the to complete fucking up moviex system and we cant mor upload any torrent if the system complete done all system allread hack system ratio over UL: -9223021633907433299 bytes DL: -9222997313715361660 bytes Ratio:Inf.
we is very sorry for we not allow leech the becuse the hacke is some stupid do it we cant do everting about it we get many tracker hack. white new news we back we try rigth now white poerful to fix the problem
[quote comment="229648"]dont talk bullshit the video is a real how to system works and and the show the archives 100% wrong some people dont understand becuse the system frist tim in the world test in moviex and the show why access denied, leeching forbidden, you’re only allowed to seed”
the becume if we get online leech the some people hack passkey ever system the system very new the programed by moviex and letter people know the. we talk to TPB and we coming to we get online tracker the week for test if people hack the passkey and crash the system now the moviex tracker was online 24H and we get 34hack server and the hack coming from leech so the to complete fucking up moviex system and we cant mor upload any torrent if the system complete done all system allread hack system ratio over UL: -9223021633907433299 bytes DL: -9222997313715361660 bytes Ratio:Inf.
we is very sorry for we not allow leech the becuse the hacke is some stupid do it we cant do everting about it we get many tracker hack. white new news we back we try rigth now white poerful to fix the problem[/quote]
I’m letting my 8-year old daughter read this. It’s the most potent message against crack misuse I’ve ever seen!
“I’m scared, Daddy! What does it mean?!”
“I don’t know, Darling. But as long as you don’t smoke crack, you’ll never spout such brain-damaged gobbledegook”
system works on
private
public
frist time some system work both on
private
public
and can became
private
public
seeder and leech stats together and the torrent live several month and both
private
public
user can complete the download and get external speed together
the system “Failure: access denied, leeching forbidden, you’re only allowed to seed”
but on moviex tracker and tpb tracker the same stats people can download from tpb. people never ask ok if moviex tracker forbidden, leeching how can i.m download the torrent from a public?. answar is becuse we get speed to public from our broadband to public user to complete download,,, we part our broadband to private and
public user we can stop to upload to public and can hold us like other private site … after the week we test our tracker online wee se if our server hold left….. otherwise we stop upload our torrent to public and hold us like other private site.
Loder,
1 - You’re raping your customers.
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How? By getting them to PAY for the privilege of downloading pirated data. The WHOLE POINT of BitTorrent is that it’s FREE!
2 - You’re stealing bandwidth:
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Wuh? That’s right. From TPB users - for no good reason other than to increase the download speed of your private members’ club, at everyone else’s expense. They (The TPB leeches) DO NOT CARE who uploaded the file initially. You really want us to believe that if you didn’t upload it, nobody else would (or could)? COME OFF IT, FOR FUCKS SAKE!
3 - it’s so FUCKING SIMPLE!
4 - STOP PRETENDING YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT’S BEING SAID.
5 - Eat the peanuts outta my shit, you money-grubbing queefer…
we not stealing bandwidth:
you are real Stupid the 100% wrong s archive we you dont thinks why newtorrents and TPB block our TRacker for the now how our system work we have send everting to torrentfreak how our system works and the bullshit archive not be torrentfreak just wait 2-3 day you see on torrentfreak if we stealing bandwidth or not
add a rule into the firewall blocking the upload of data. Simple and easy.
Must spread this post cause this can harm most users that don’t want to pay to access movieX.
in time, has moviex protected the bitorrent comunnity against the CRIA and things like this?
[quote comment="229676"]we not stealing bandwidth:
you are real Stupid the 100% wrong s archive we you dont thinks why newtorrents and TPB block our TRacker for the now how our system work we have send everting to torrentfreak how our system works and the bullshit archive not be torrentfreak just wait 2-3 day you see on torrentfreak if we stealing bandwidth or not[/quote]
1 - You completely ignored my point #1
2 - Simply stop merging the trackers & all this crap will fall away. Although, to be honest, it’s a bit of a ‘locked the stable door after the horse has bolted’ situation. IOW, you’ve already ‘blotted your copybook’.
The damage is done…
PG now shows:
moviex.info|p2p abusers
at IP Address: 206.53.62.64
& now my client shows “socket error” for their tracker.
WooHoo!
Seems like this story has made MovieX to allow people using public trackers to leech from the community.Yes! Now the tracker is working like a public tracker.
I don’t use moviex, and I rarely use TPB. In fact, I don’t download movies often and mostly use BitTorrent for music/apps. I started reading all this because… well, I have a lot of time on my hands and this is all turning out to be very amusing.
So as a previously impartial third party, I have to say: it seems like the anti-MovieX people are winning the battle here. There are very few coherent arguments coming from the MovieX front. The few well-composed responses are saddled with childish fits.
MovieX… hire more intelligent mouthpieces.
Where’s this misconception coming from that you have to pay to use moviex and download torrents?
The VIP status doesn’t give you access to any extra torrents not found on the free pages, just access to direct downloads. All the torrents can be downloaded for free after you sign up. As for the “moviex are a bunch of leechers” mentality, I’m willing to bet I seed a hell of a lot more than most people here as my ratio for most things hit about 38-50 per torrent. And it isn’t that difficult to keep a .8 ratio on moviex, I’ve only been on a few days and I’m alrady at 6 point something after two full dvdrs from there. Granted, though, the first message you get says you have to keep a 1:1 ratio, I have seen people with less still on, so I’m assuming it’s .8 for the ban. Plus, this site does a wayyyy better job than demonoid at keeping track of the ratios. Even though I can’t say my seeding report was that accurate, it was definitely pretty close.
The BitTorrent protocol already has measures in effect against this sort of thing. If you are connected to 20 other peers and 10 of them won’t upload to you then after a while you will stop uploading to them.
The protocol is generous because otherwise someone without any of the file to upload would never be able to download but unless you do give back, clients will automatically shun you.
If MovieX really are stealing people’s bandwidth without giving back, they won’t be able to seal much.
On the other hand, comments on other forums from the owners of MovieX seem to suggest that anyone who is not a member gets assigned a single member account that has now been restricted due to leeching. Essentially, we’re systematically stealing bandwidth from them, and they got sick of it. Until the balance is restored, the rest of the world can only upload.
Good observation lol. That’s exactly what I do because if I make that speed higher, some hit and runner make take advantage of it before I have time to react.
Also, I really don’t like public private sites, because their speeds are slow and they have a lot of hit and runners. Lately, I’ve been trying to seed back what I took because I learned that from semi-private trackers. I prefer semi-private trackers because they are organised and have good enough speeds. Their only problem I see, are the VIP hit and runners. But I can’t help that.
Also, I think that Pirate bay sucks dick, because it’s so fucking unorganised, there are lot of fake torrents and little seeders. I almost never used TPB. fuck them
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