Comments on: MPAA: Piracy is the outcome of DRM complications http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:21:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: Wacky Geeks » Blog Archive » Yap Episode 31 - Going Pro http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-421647 Wacky Geeks » Blog Archive » Yap Episode 31 - Going Pro Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:01:58 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-421647 [...] MPAA VP finally admits Piracy is the outcome of problems with DRM [...] [...] MPAA VP finally admits Piracy is the outcome of problems with DRM [...]

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]]> By: Paul http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-43732 Paul Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:28:16 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-43732 I have a Chinese video watch. I can't find anywhere to get movies for it. iTunes doesn't work becuas of the fucking DRM and all thge online pay movie downloads also seem to have DRM. So all I can do is use a torrent. But I can't keep my computer on long enough. I'll be leaching off the torrent and it will take a very long time to download the movie (from my knowledge of BitTorrent at least). Time is a luxury I don't have. All I can do is buy a DVD and rip it (which, btw, is illegal). And the DVD prices are insane! So thanks MPAA. What can I do? I have no legal alternative, and even the illegal alternatives don't sem to be that great! This is why I hate the MPAA, the RIAA, and the DMCA! I have a Chinese video watch. I can’t find anywhere to get movies for it. iTunes doesn’t work becuas of the fucking DRM and all thge online pay movie downloads also seem to have DRM. So all I can do is use a torrent. But I can’t keep my computer on long enough. I’ll be leaching off the torrent and it will take a very long time to download the movie (from my knowledge of BitTorrent at least). Time is a luxury I don’t have. All I can do is buy a DVD and rip it (which, btw, is illegal). And the DVD prices are insane! So thanks MPAA. What can I do? I have no legal alternative, and even the illegal alternatives don’t sem to be that great! This is why I hate the MPAA, the RIAA, and the DMCA!

]]> By: A5 « LoookTV http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-23035 A5 « LoookTV Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:21:12 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-23035 [...] Now it is odd to hear an executive of the MPAA comment that DMCA was and is a contributing factor that drives digital film enthusiasts toward piracy, so it is not much of a leap to accept the logic that the DMCA drove digital music fans into P2P respositories and why when given a better experience many people now legitimately buy from iTunes. Brad Hunt of the MPAA admitted as much a month ago or so. [...] [...] Now it is odd to hear an executive of the MPAA comment that DMCA was and is a contributing factor that drives digital film enthusiasts toward piracy, so it is not much of a leap to accept the logic that the DMCA drove digital music fans into P2P respositories and why when given a better experience many people now legitimately buy from iTunes. Brad Hunt of the MPAA admitted as much a month ago or so. [...]

]]> By: MPAA: Piracy is the outcome of DRM complications « All Things News http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-17163 MPAA: Piracy is the outcome of DRM complications « All Things News Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:45:37 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-17163 [...] Straight from TorrentFreak.com: “Last week at the Digital Home Developers Conference Brad Hunt, the MPAA's executive vice president and chief technology officer said that piracy is the inevitable outcome of the music and movie industries' inability to provide a simple, inter-compatible and non-intrusive DRM solution.” [...] [...] Straight from TorrentFreak.com: “Last week at the Digital Home Developers Conference Brad Hunt, the MPAA’s executive vice president and chief technology officer said that piracy is the inevitable outcome of the music and movie industries’ inability to provide a simple, inter-compatible and non-intrusive DRM solution.” [...]

]]> By: gowers http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-16229 gowers Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:26:30 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-16229 Internet purchases have these major problems 1)resitrctions on the media i buy cause "me" problems, so I don't buy 2)Mp3s sold aren't CD quality, they are lossy, so I don't buy 3)Prices for mp3s/acc are at CD quality prices, so i don't buy 4)I get no physical copy to rip covert how i want, so i don't buy 5)No artwork or HQ scans, so i don't buy I then find almost any Physical ripped copy via the internet -No restrictions -Quality is usually 320kps or higher (close to lossless) -Cost me the price of electric, computer and BB access but no purchase costs -No physical copy but i can re-encode to low bitrates with little loss -HQ artwork is usually included and has no restrictions itself if the content can't have drm restricting me, it's impossible to stop me doing what i want to do with it. Being able to do what i want with my media is point 1 and essential. so if the content can't be restricted then you have to control how i share it. I want to share music with friends and move the music i like to think is good. The logical conclusion is that music can't have DRM, we'll always strip it or find better ways of getting non-DRM versions. I think the music and video industry has lost the internet battle and will never win. Internet purchases have these major problems

1)resitrctions on the media i buy cause “me” problems, so I don’t buy
2)Mp3s sold aren’t CD quality, they are lossy, so I don’t buy
3)Prices for mp3s/acc are at CD quality prices, so i don’t buy
4)I get no physical copy to rip covert how i want, so i don’t buy
5)No artwork or HQ scans, so i don’t buy

I then find almost any Physical ripped copy via the internet

-No restrictions
-Quality is usually 320kps or higher (close to lossless)
-Cost me the price of electric, computer and BB access but no purchase costs
-No physical copy but i can re-encode to low bitrates with little loss
-HQ artwork is usually included and has no restrictions itself

if the content can’t have drm restricting me, it’s impossible to stop me doing what i want to do with it. Being able to do what i want with my media is point 1 and essential.

so if the content can’t be restricted then you have to control how i share it.

I want to share music with friends and move the music i like to think is good.

The logical conclusion is that music can’t have DRM, we’ll always strip it or find better ways of getting non-DRM versions. I think the music and video industry has lost the internet battle and will never win.

]]> By: Piracy is the Outcome of DRM: MPAA « OSS Blog http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15944 Piracy is the Outcome of DRM: MPAA « OSS Blog Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:53:13 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15944 [...] MPAA: Piracy is the outcome of DRM complications at Torrentfreak [...] [...] MPAA: Piracy is the outcome of DRM complications at Torrentfreak [...]

]]> By: kL http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15904 kL Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:13:53 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15904 I *want* to share songs with my friends. I could always lend casette or CD to my friends and I want to do that with digital media. But it seems that forbidding that is the single most important goal of DRM (certainly it doesn't stop professional crackers from posting torrents). I *want* to share songs with my friends. I could always lend casette or CD to my friends and I want to do that with digital media. But it seems that forbidding that is the single most important goal of DRM (certainly it doesn’t stop professional crackers from posting torrents).

]]> By: links for 2006-10-18 at DeStructUred Blog http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15895 links for 2006-10-18 at DeStructUred Blog Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:51:02 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15895 [...] MPAA: Piracy is the outcome of DRM complications at Torrentfreak (tags: bittorrent DRM P2P) Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...] [...] MPAA: Piracy is the outcome of DRM complications at Torrentfreak (tags: bittorrent DRM P2P) Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]

]]> By: Chris Mobius Davies http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15868 Chris Mobius Davies Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:52:18 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15868 Look all anyone has to do to totally defeat DRM is this: NEVER BUY ANY PRODUCT WITH DRM. NEVER BUY ANY MEDIA WITH DRM. AND. INFORM THE SELLER WHY YOU REFUSE TO PURCHASE. Look all anyone has to do to totally defeat DRM is this:

NEVER BUY ANY PRODUCT WITH DRM.
NEVER BUY ANY MEDIA WITH DRM.
AND.
INFORM THE SELLER WHY YOU REFUSE TO PURCHASE.

]]> By: Medialoper » The Daily Loper - October 17, 2006 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15867 Medialoper » The Daily Loper - October 17, 2006 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:48:52 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15867 [...] MPAA: Piracy is the outcome of DRM complicationsLooks like someone in the film industry has figured out that DRM frustrates consumers. Combine this with Disney’s recent acknowledgement that Piracy is a form of competition and you have to wonder if Hollywood may finally be comiing to its senses. [...] [...] MPAA: Piracy is the outcome of DRM complicationsLooks like someone in the film industry has figured out that DRM frustrates consumers. Combine this with Disney’s recent acknowledgement that Piracy is a form of competition and you have to wonder if Hollywood may finally be comiing to its senses. [...]

]]> By: GADGET Blog » MPAA: Piracy is the outcome of DRM complications http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15866 GADGET Blog » MPAA: Piracy is the outcome of DRM complications Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:46:15 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15866 [...] Last week at the Digital Home Developers Conference Brad Hunt, the MPAA’s executive vice president and chief technology officer said that piracy is the inevitable outcome of the music and movie industries’ inability to provide a simple, inter-compatible and non-intrusive DRM solution.read more | digg story Filed under: Gadgets by — TechManager @ 02:46 [...] [...] Last week at the Digital Home Developers Conference Brad Hunt, the MPAA’s executive vice president and chief technology officer said that piracy is the inevitable outcome of the music and movie industries’ inability to provide a simple, inter-compatible and non-intrusive DRM solution.read more | digg story Filed under: Gadgets by — TechManager @ 02:46 [...]

]]> By: Hyper123.net » MPAA: Piracy is the outcome of DRM complications http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15857 Hyper123.net » MPAA: Piracy is the outcome of DRM complications Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:17:53 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15857 [...] read more | digg story [...] [...] read more | digg story [...]

]]> By: picod http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15847 picod Wed, 18 Oct 2006 00:12:05 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15847 Indeed, looks like the MPAA is getting a little smarter, they realize that DRM which frustrates users because it hampers interoperability is not a good thing. Unfortunately... they are still not smart enough. They see DRM is not good, but they are seemingly having unrealistic expectations that it *could* be good, as the following statements indicate: "There is clearly a need for inter-compatible DRM and Hunt seems to see it." "the consumer, if he or she has already purchased licensed material, should certainly be able to transfer that content to any other new or old device." I would say that those statements sound pretty goodm but they are a bit like saying "Their clearly is a need for cars that don't use any energy". We could solve the world energy crisis if only we had cars like that. But as anybody understands, that is a pipe-dream, a fantasy, a wish for something that is clearly impossible. Similarly a "good and interoperable" DRM is a physical impossiblity. The whole purpose of DRM is exactly the oppositive of interoperability: its purpose is to stop you from copying or using the content on "non-authorized" devices. A DRM solution which guarantees interoperability is impossible because if it did indeed allow full interoperability it wouldn't be DRM. The only way out of this mess is not my building "better" DRM, it's by getting rid of DRM completely, since it was a bad idea to begin with. Indeed, looks like the MPAA is getting a little smarter, they realize that DRM which frustrates users because it hampers interoperability is not a good thing.

Unfortunately… they are still not smart enough. They see DRM is not good, but they are seemingly having unrealistic expectations that it *could* be good, as the following statements indicate:

“There is clearly a need for inter-compatible DRM and Hunt seems to see it.”

“the consumer, if he or she has already purchased licensed material, should certainly be able to transfer that content to any other new or old device.”

I would say that those statements sound pretty goodm but they are a bit like saying “Their clearly is a need for cars that don’t use any energy”. We could solve the world energy crisis if only we had cars like that. But as anybody understands, that is a pipe-dream, a fantasy, a wish for something that is clearly impossible.

Similarly a “good and interoperable” DRM is a physical impossiblity. The whole purpose of DRM is exactly the oppositive of interoperability: its purpose is to stop you from copying or using the content on “non-authorized” devices. A DRM solution which guarantees interoperability is impossible because if it did indeed allow full interoperability it wouldn’t be DRM.

The only way out of this mess is not my building “better” DRM, it’s by getting rid of DRM completely, since it was a bad idea to begin with.

]]> By: losealifetime http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15845 losealifetime Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:38:36 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15845 I vote for a battle of the minds. Let the ones who create DRM be outdone by the ones that can break it. It's called inovation by neccesity. It's what gave us RSA encryption. Lets see what the DRM battle can give us and tell the lawmakers to focus on something more important than protecting the investments of the rich. (Who would contribute to their campaign then?) I vote for a battle of the minds. Let the ones who create DRM be outdone by the ones that can break it. It’s called inovation by neccesity. It’s what gave us RSA encryption. Lets see what the DRM battle can give us and tell the lawmakers to focus on something more important than protecting the investments of the rich. (Who would contribute to their campaign then?)

]]> By: Dinges’ Blog http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15833 Dinges’ Blog Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:49:14 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15833 [...] DRM is driving users to piracy. How to kill your startup. Oracle may be working on their own version of Linux. Some company bought 80 MacBooks, they are having to send 10 back due to overheating issues. A “quad” HDTV? Give yourself a heart-attack no matter where you go. Run linux on your PS3. Some pretty good deals on some pretty small pc's. This dude deep-fried his PC! Turn your iPod into a projector. McDonald's is serving up some spam. What a load of BS! [...] [...] DRM is driving users to piracy. How to kill your startup. Oracle may be working on their own version of Linux. Some company bought 80 MacBooks, they are having to send 10 back due to overheating issues. A “quad” HDTV? Give yourself a heart-attack no matter where you go. Run linux on your PS3. Some pretty good deals on some pretty small pc’s. This dude deep-fried his PC! Turn your iPod into a projector. McDonald’s is serving up some spam. What a load of BS! [...]

]]> By: Yatti http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15824 Yatti Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:17:08 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15824 Ive been committing piracy along time now and the odd thing is that I diddnt get the sony rootkit think my parents bought a legit cd and they did though... I dont think DRM or TPM any of that crap is nescessary.. If the RIAA\MPAA etc want to stop (what they think in their mind) the theft of their property then they should change their buisness models etc.. Not putting in DRM crap etc trying to slow "pirates" down lol... Pointless.. I guess I could go to that allofmp3.com and start downloading some non drm mp3s but oh wait the riaa\mpaa doesnt want me doing that lol ... Ive been committing piracy along time now and the odd thing is that I diddnt get the sony rootkit think my parents bought a legit cd and they did though… I dont think DRM or TPM any of that crap is nescessary.. If the RIAA\MPAA etc want to stop (what they think in their mind) the theft of their property then they should change their buisness models etc.. Not putting in DRM crap etc trying to slow “pirates” down lol… Pointless..

I guess I could go to that allofmp3.com and start downloading some non drm mp3s but oh wait the riaa\mpaa doesnt want me doing that lol …

]]> By: WiseWeasel http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15815 WiseWeasel Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:06:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15815 No, DRM is not necessary. Piracy rates would be about the same without the DRM in place (sales lost to pirated copies would be made up by increased sales due to lack of user restrictions), and they could be saving all their licensing costs for DRM tech. Users will increasingly demand the ability to rip and convert the media they buy, and the most straightforward method of allowing this is to just forego DRM and release content in open standard formats. That is adding a lot of value to the content, helping to match the value of pirated content already available for free. If you want to compete with free, you have to offer better value. No, DRM is not necessary. Piracy rates would be about the same without the DRM in place (sales lost to pirated copies would be made up by increased sales due to lack of user restrictions), and they could be saving all their licensing costs for DRM tech. Users will increasingly demand the ability to rip and convert the media they buy, and the most straightforward method of allowing this is to just forego DRM and release content in open standard formats. That is adding a lot of value to the content, helping to match the value of pirated content already available for free. If you want to compete with free, you have to offer better value.

]]> By: DRM is like a Speed Bump… on a Highway at Torrentfreak http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15801 DRM is like a Speed Bump… on a Highway at Torrentfreak Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:39:57 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15801 [...] Goldberg is convinced that not the pirates, but the honest customers will be hurt by the mass implementation of DRM. The DRM powered “a la carte download model” is a failure according to Goldberg, it only serves to dissuade consumers from buying music legally and instead keeps unauthorized peer-to-peer services in business. And apparently even the MPAA agrees (a little bit). [...] [...] Goldberg is convinced that not the pirates, but the honest customers will be hurt by the mass implementation of DRM. The DRM powered “a la carte download model” is a failure according to Goldberg, it only serves to dissuade consumers from buying music legally and instead keeps unauthorized peer-to-peer services in business. And apparently even the MPAA agrees (a little bit). [...]

]]> By: Rational Beaver http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15797 Rational Beaver Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:04:09 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-piracy-is-the-outcome-of-drm-complications/#comment-15797 Echoing comments already made here, DRM is not a "necessary evil". It doesn't prevent piracy and it never will. More importantly, the biggest cause of piracy is artificial restrictions on the marketplace (like DVD release dates being months after the theater release and the aforementioned regional restrictions) rather than customer frustration with intercompatibility (though that doesn't help either). That's why black markets exist for any product, not just movies and music. This is basic economics and the fact that the MPAA doesn't understand it is very disturbing. Echoing comments already made here, DRM is not a “necessary evil”. It doesn’t prevent piracy and it never will.

More importantly, the biggest cause of piracy is artificial restrictions on the marketplace (like DVD release dates being months after the theater release and the aforementioned regional restrictions) rather than customer frustration with intercompatibility (though that doesn’t help either). That’s why black markets exist for any product, not just movies and music. This is basic economics and the fact that the MPAA doesn’t understand it is very disturbing.

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