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MPAA Recruits “Surrogates” to Support Extradition of UK Student

Following on from an MPAA memo that leaked yesterday, TorrentFreak has obtained an even more revealing document which shows that the movie group is experiencing problems finding “allies” to support the extradition of UK student Richard O’Dwyer. According to the “communication plan” the MPAA is recruiting “third party surrogates” to write op-eds and blog posts which back their position.

Yesterday we covered a leaked MPAA memo with talking points on the TVShack case.

The MPAA successfully lobbied the Department of Justice to demand the extradition of the site’s former operator, UK student Richard O’Dwyer. However, in recent months public opinion turned against the authorities, a point now being noted by the mainstream media.

A new MPAA leak (embedded below) shows that this is worrying movie industry bosses. In a “communication plan” the MPAA explains why these talking points are needed and how the group plans to counter the opposition.

“The overall media coverage has been and will continue to be challenging,” the MPAA writes.

They mention the petition of Wikipedia founder jimmy Wales, the Demand Progress campaign, and note that a recent survey showed that 95% of the public does not support the extradition. According to the MPAA, public opinion is skewed because people are being led to believe that TVShack was operating perfectly legal in the UK.

“To counter these assertions, the MPAA and its allies need a coordinated effort to focus more on the criminal activity involved in the operation of TVShack and other similar linking sites,” the MPAA notes.

Interestingly, the movie industry group appears to be having a hard time finding “allies”.

“Ideally, this would be done through third parties – but finding third parties – especially in the United Kingdom – has been very difficult so far, so the MPAA must be prepared to respond to media requests on the issue and set the record straight to counter the misinformation campaign by our opponents.”

As the leaked “talking points” memo revealed yesterday, the MPAA prepared a case background to be handed out to journalists. In addition, the group drafted responses to the “misinformation” that’s being spread by Jimmy Wales and others.

The MPAA further notes that staffers Mike Robinson and Mark Miller are ready to speak about the case in public. However, they also want to recruit “allies and third parties, both in the US and abroad” to help them get the message across.

“We are also working on an oped as well as blogs by third-party surrogates,” they later add.

While the MPAA never admitted to getting surrogates to report for them this is not totally unexpected. We previously spotted a pro-SOPA op-ed by Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff that used phrases that were previously uttered by MPAA people.

The main message these surrogates will be asked to deliver is that Richard O’Dwyer is a criminal. The MPAA continues to point out that an operator of a similar site was recently found guilty in the UK, and will feed this information to journalists.

“We will seek to make sure reporters know about the parallels – and the proof that this kind of copyright theft is illegal in the U.K.,” MPAA notes.

Of course, they don’t mention that the U.K. case they refer to wasn’t about copyright infringement. Neither do they explain why O’Dwyer wasn’t charged with any crimes in the U.K.

To hear the other side of the story TorrentFreak contacted Richard O’Dwyer’s mother Julia, who was baffled by the MPAA’s strategy. According to her, it’s the MPAA who are spreading misinformation.

“It’s rather worrying that the MPAA is behaving in this unnecessarily vindictive way, trying to portray Richard as someone he is not in order to further their own interests,” Julia O’Dwyer says.

“Richard has fully cooperated with the Police at all times and has never told a lie. Lying is something he just won’t do. In contrast the MPAA peddles misinformation about the details of the alleged conduct.”

Among other things she notes that TVShack fully complied with takedown requests, that the site never hosted any copyrighted content and that MPAA member Warner Bros. even asked if their content could be featured on TVShack.

With both sides determined to be heard, the case will continue to make headlines in the coming weeks. The controversial extradition is currently awaiting an appeal to the High Court later this year.

MPAA’s communication strategy is embedded below:

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  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Here’s a copy of my request to my local MP -

    Dear [edited for privacy],

    Please be so kind as to object strongly to our Home Secretary regarding her recent decision to permit the USA’s extradition application of Mr Richard O’Dwyer.

    His case is well documented in the public domain, but you may familiarise yourself with the basics here -
    https://torrentfreak.com/leaked-mpaa-memo-reveals-tv-shack-press-strategy-120805/

    The grounds of my objection are -
    1.  The allegations made against Mr O’Dwyer are NOT a criminal offence in the UK;

    2. Granting the USA’s application is in breach of our extradition treaty as it is clearly stated the Treaty is NOT to be used for matters of a trivial nature.  Operating a website linking to copyright material is not unlawful in the UK and the issue is also trivial;

    3. The Home Secretary is in error when stating that Mr O’Dwyer would receive a fair trial in the US.  There is currently a media frenzy in which all the major media ‘industries’ have wrongly created over the past 10 years or so a mind-set that breach of copyright via filesharing technologies is, or at least tantamount to, theft.  That is blatantly untrue, unfair and 100% erroneous, however these multi-billion dollar
    corporations can easily afford teams of solicitors to appear in Court on their behalf whereas Mr O’Dwyer is merely a poverty-stricken student.  I see no right to a fair trial under these circumstances whatsoever;
    and,
    4.  Even a UK-based pre-trial assessment using applicable US law would reveal crucial facts pertaining to this case, yet no such hearing has occurred but this inventive, talented and young man is to shipped off to the USA to be made an example of whilst REAL criminals such as rapists of our children are denied extradition by this same Home Secretary on grounds of a risk to his Human Rights being violated!!

    With respect, there’s something deeply wrong in allowing the extradition of Mr O’Dwyer to proceed, and I respectfully request you approach the Home Office on my behalf and put the above points, as well as invite their comments as to why they believe justice will be done, and seen to be done.

    Thank you & sincerely,
     …
    cc  Mrs J. O’Dwyer

    EDIT -
    Tidied up format of copy.
    And Julia O has already emailed me back saying thanks, but to watch out for more developments today!!!

  • mystrdat

    The bad guys must not win this one.

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  • Hilltopsandwichmachine

    The fact is he made $230,000 with a site that was EXCLUSIVELY pirated video links. So NO, google shouldn’t be held to the same account (less than 0.04% pirate links). Fuck this punk kid and the horse he rode in on. 

    Everyone defends odwyer as if he just had a link site…he was making a quarter million bucks and somehow Im supposed to feel bad for him. Fuck odwyer. Fuck rapidshare. Fuck everyone that makes money off pirating. Share, don’t profit.

    • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD

      I want to remind you, Sir, that envy is one of the seven deadly sins.

    • Viking

       Would you be so kind and post a link to proof of this claim about $230,000. And I mean real proof, confirmed by authorities, not just another MAFIAA lie.

    • Anonymous

      It’s not about immoral profit! It’s about citizen of GB being extradited to the USA and sued there by THEIR laws. How they dare those bastards? How they dare those F*CKS to order us? And why our f*cking politicans BOW before them, have they no spine? Where is our dignity?

      !!! WE ARE NOT COLONY OF THE USA !!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/siiix Andras Sz

        this is very true, this is not a murder case or something alike, i find it absurd that countries still 
        extradite people with such questionable accusations to the USA… further more in the USA i doubt he would get a fair trial and punishments are far more cruel then that of most other countries.. the action is either charge him in the UK if there is grounds or tell the US to get lost

    • http://www.facebook.com/ken.bingham Ken Bingham

      So we can assume you are on the MPAA payroll?

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        Surely, they’ll push hard to spread misinformation and it includes blogs. They are worth less than garbage. I hope this backfires. And I hope the backfire is deadly.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ken.bingham Ken Bingham

      So was the ‘f’ words also on your MPAA talking points?

    • Guest

      The money obtained was from advert revenue from the advertising that he had from people advertising their selling product on the site and it is not a criminal offence for anyone to obtain advert revenue from advertising from people advertising their selling product on the site in question. The site did NOT sell movies, The links provided to the movies did NOT sell for money. Linking to a movie has now been ruled as not breaking copyright.

    • Guest
    • Fredrika

      > “The fact is he made $230,000 with a site that was EXCLUSIVELY pirated video links.”

      No, the fact is that he legally made money from a legal site that offered legal links. Nothing of what he did or offered constituted piracy in any way. Legal is the key word here. Do you not understand the concepts of law, and legal vs. piracy?

      > “Fuck this punk kid and the horse he rode in on.”

      Do you have a problem with entrepreneurs that legally make legal money from legal services? Are you jealous?

      • Techanon

        Exactly! That money is considered legal by the GB autorities. Otherwise O’Dweyer would have been charged with money laundering.

      • Water is cool

        Sure, it was legal under UK law. I’m fine about that. I love pirate sites like TVShack. However, it’s morally wrong to be earning from a site dedicated to giving people access to copyrighted content. “Sharing is caring”, it’s a bullshit term pirates use. If sharing is caring, then why make money from it? And then people go on to say “he needs to pay for the servers”, I doubt they’ve setup a server before. If they did, they’d know that hosting a link only website is cheap – even with a lot of traffic as his site did.

        We need a pirate website that doesn’t have ads and doesn’t earn whatsoever. Maybe, at minimal, have a donation button to pay for the server fees. But they shouldn’t take any profit for themselves.

        “Do you have a problem with entrepreneurs that legally make legal money from legal services?” Nope, but I have a problem with people making money from a service which is intended to be used for downloading copyrighted content without purchasing it. If, however, he was the owner of Dropbox, then I’d be happy for him to make money as it’s not a site made for infringment.

        If you try telling me that TVShark wasn’t made for downloading tvshows/movies for free without purchasing it first, then you’re seriously in a world of your own.

        • SethoftheSea

          The site could not operate without making money because of the server costs. As stated before what he did was not a crime in the UK. Morals do not count as laws, until MPAA start creating services that people actually want and require then people can steal as much money from the movie business, as those cunts don’t deserve it! Oh and he made $230K from running a website by himself… what a load of shit!

        • Fredrika

          > “Sure, it was legal under UK law.”

          That’s the only thing relevant, because of a concept called jurisdiction.

          > “However, it’s morally wrong to be earning from a site dedicated to giving people access to copyrighted content.”

          All people might not share your personal and subjective moral regarding what’s immoral.

          > “”Sharing is caring”, it’s a bullshit term pirates use. If sharing is caring, then why make money from it?”

          You’re confusing the actual sharing with the indexing of what’s shared. Those are two different acts. Generally it’s not considered immoral to make money from running an appreciated legal search engine that legally indexes legal non-copyright information, that people have a legal right to download.

          > “We need a pirate website that doesn’t have ads and doesn’t earn whatsoever.”

          Need?

          > “Nope, but I have a problem with people making money from a service which is intended to be used for downloading copyrighted content without purchasing it.”

          That’s not it’s intention. It’s intention is to index legal content.

          > “If you try telling me that TVShark wasn’t made for downloading tvshows/movies for free without purchasing it first, then you’re seriously in a world of your own.”

          Without purchasing first? Either you chose to purchase or you don’t. On the free market you don’t have to purchase something from a seller just because he wants to sell.

        • Anyone

          @87c19a02f2c16b76b234320f2b606747:disqus
          “We need a pirate website that doesn’t have ads and doesn’t earn whatsoever.”

          fine, you pay for it, then

        • Guest

          @87c19a02f2c16b76b234320f2b606747:disqus 

          You’re a MAFIAA troll. Know how I know that?

          Because instead of being outraged that some kid is being extradited to the US despite comitting no crimes and breaking no laws in his home country, you’re talking about the “morality” of putting banner ads on a website. 

          Hint: that’s not the fucking point. 

          How about the morality of what the UK and US are doing? Would you like to talk about that? 

        • Water is cool

          SethoftheSea ->
          please tell me on what evidence you have that would suggest even the slightest that TVShack didn’t earn $230k from a website with a high volume of traffic and with ad banners on the website.
          Fredrika -> “jurisdiction” – Okey, the internet is global and therefore needs to respect all country laws which isn’t viewable in or it should censor itself out of the country if it’s classed as illegal by that countries laws. A server location doesn’t change a thing, the internet is global. Also, the “jurisdiction” of the domain name was the USA because it was .net, sure i think it’s a stupid way to argue with that but it’s the truth, the USA owns .com/.net (and a few more i think) just like the UK owns .co.uk.
          “Generally it’s not considered immoral to make money from running an
          appreciated legal search engine that legally indexes legal non-copyright
          information, that people have a legal right to download.”. It’s not like he was providing a service like Google which is made for general searching. He made a website intended to be used for free movies and tv shows and earned from it.

          “Need?”, no, more like… I’d prefer… I’d like… I want etc.

          “That’s not it’s intention. It’s intention is to index legal content.”, legal under UK law? Yes. Legal under USA law which most of the tvshows/movies were made in? No as he’d be liable for criminal charges & copyright infringment. Actually, in the UK he’d be liable for criminal charges but not copyright infringment as as you have said, it’s legal.

          Anyone ->”fine, you pay for it, then”, I’d gladly make one. Why haven’t I? because TF users make me realise how greedy and close minded people are. I’d not want to provide a service for people like that. The people who make piracy websites are normally motivated in gaining ad revenue.

          Guest ->

          “You’re a MAFIAA troll.” Bahaha, pradictable. Always someone says this if someone has an alternate viewpoint on piracy. I’m a pirate myself, I just have different views to you. How does that make me a MAFIAA troll? I guess I should label you as a troll for having the opposite viewpoint to me then so then it’s vice versa? -_-

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

            However, it’s morally wrong to be earning from a site dedicated to giving people access to copyrighted content.

          sounds like more MAFIAA rhetoric, sorry you’re buying into the hype.

          Morality has NOTHING to do with economics. He is sharing links to material at a cost much lower than the market value, that is simple economics, the customer will always seek the lowest price, and if free is available, all the better.

          One might just as easily say it’s immoral to artificially inflate the cost of something that can be infinitely reproduced at a cost so low as to make no difference. But no, morals have nothing to do with any of this.

          In the end, the point of copyright is to increase culture. Richard O’Dwyer, it can be argued, was dispersing said culture much more effectively than the rightsholders, serving the public good.

          Now how can that be immoral?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          All of which is beside the point. He is not guilty of any crime under local law. Indeed, violent criminals do not, generally speaking, suffer extradition this way.

          The problem about using the “moral” argument here is that it is, quite frankly, irrelevant other than to formulate a personal opinion.

          I don’t care much for his business model anymore than I care for Kim Dotcoms. That doesn’t mean I’m willing to allow the law to be bent until it snaps because the next time said law is bent it will be because of non-for-profit sites as well.

          And that is why we have to stand up and defend Dwyer from being extradited on flimsy pretexts. It only places a precedent of making every citizen unsafe.

        • Qwert

          @ac772b48d6728242138b1df18c9716e5:disqus Fredrika -> “jurisdiction” – Okey, the internet is global and therefore needs to respect all country laws which isn’t viewable in or it should censor itself out of the country if it’s classed as illegal by that countries laws. A server location doesn’t change a thing, the internet is global. Also, the “jurisdiction” of the domain name was the USA because it was .net, sure i think it’s a stupid way to argue with that but it’s the truth, the USA owns .com/.net (and a few more i think) just like the UK owns .co.uk.”
          The UK doesn’t own the .co.uk TLD, it’s still owned and governed by a US body. 

    • uJonesing

      Pirated video links? So now links are subject to copyright infringement, are they?

    • Freja

       He provided provided, at no cost to the customer, a service that people wanted.

      Who the hell “LIKED” the above comment by Hilltopsandwichmachine?
      Is this person just an idiot, or actually paid by the mafiaa to troll here?

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Generally speaking, whether a troll is paid or independent, switching the Tor link to provide a fresh ip addy to “like” from is a matter of a few minutes. Which is why some pro-copyright fanatics posting here all have the same number of “likes” – they just switch addy a few times and provide themselves an “army of one” silent applause brigade.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      In other words you think it’s OK for a person to be extradited to a foreign nation when whatever he was doing was in fact fully legal in the country where he resides – while similar extradition requests pertaining to violent crimes are denied outright?

      Thank you for trolling, asshat. Now move along.

    • Baba

      Does it matter how much he made if when he did was not illegal?

      You quoted the money there in dollars so I assume you are American, would it be ok if we extradited you to the uk to face charges of owning a gun? Or would you like to send your wife to the middle east to face charges of showing her face in public?
      Or do you actually think that when you live in the US that you should only need to follow US laws, the same as when you are in the UK you only need to follow UK laws?.

  • Anon99

    The one thing they are not mentioning in all their propaganda is extradition.

    It does not matter if what he did was legal or not in the UK (or the US) when it comes to extradition.  It is not an extraditable offence.

  • Ryz

    I am loving that TorrentFreak has a source inside of the MPAA that fights on our side. These leaks are GOLDEN!

    • Techanon

      Or maybe they forgot to not put up an open front page for their intranets and got cached by google *again*?

    • guest

      Lol, perhaps they forgot to put the plug back in the drain, after they were finished rendering the animals they took deviant sexual liberties with

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  • Anonymous

    as usual, the entertainment industries are basing all on the same things their industries are based on, ie, make believe, fantasy and smoke and mirrors. they know full well, just as the Feds know in the Mega case, that they have made serious mistakes here. the public are definitely NOT on their side and the consequences could be pretty severe if this case is pursued. they have no evidence of a crime being committed in the UK, the ‘other site’ they mention was convicted for different ‘offenses’ so there is no comparison, making money from advertising is not a crime anyway, and even if there were something illegal in what O’Dwyer had done, it is not a criminal offense and certainly not one to be extradited for. that ‘privilege was supposed to be reserved for serious crimes like terrorism and murder, not file sharing and definitely not for linking to material that was on other sites. if the situation were reversed, would the US allow someone to be extradited to the UK? not on your fucking life!!

  • henta

    According to her, it’s
    Is it just me or do you see tits :P

  • Booyaa

    Well the crazy thing is this is how it is happening with everything. Not just copyrighted stuff, but wars and bank schemes as well… The system is fucked. They who have to money make the rules and you make rules for others but exceptions for yourself…. Just take em all down

  • Anonymous

    MPAA Recruits “Trolls” to Support Extradition of UK Student

    FTFY.

  • temmseee

    Youve got to admit, thats kinda scary when you think about it.
    Ano-Web.tk

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    MPAA thinks its fundamental problem lies in bad news management.
     
    Worse news is coming its way. 
     
    Six Billion People are NOT that Stupid.  They really can tell the difference between rainwater and what the MPAA is sending down their backs.   
     
    While the MPAA tortures its logic to position Richard O’dwyer as a criminal, Federal Judge Richard Posner eviscerates their presumptions that embedded links to Stream-able video files on other Third-party computers can be the basis of a finding of Copyright infringement either against the linking site or visiting viewers; proving once again that there are few things more dangereous to the tortured logic of a threatened Monopolist than a Federeral Court that hasn’t been bought.   
     
    Worse, bad news is global for the MPAA:  They need to get a Paris refund on all the Money they gave Sarkozy…….Like all else suggested by the MPAA as good social policy, the HADDOPPI law (France’s three strikes regime) is looking ugglier with time…..The Hollande Administration wants no part of it…..they hear it going tic tock tic tock tic tock tic toc…..
     
    and, how about that mighty piece of Intellectual heavy lifting with which the American DOJ bought the MPAA’s program against MegaUpload?………
     
    Looked good then before the cameras…..
     
    Looks ugly now after some public srutiny……
     
    Will stink like a bathtub full of week old dog vomit when it hits the Americaqn Appellatte Courts……
     
      

  • Anyone

    it’s kinda good news that they have a hard time finding people to spread their lies

    it means the tide has turned

  • Jimmy

    As suspected, It is totally disgusting that MPAA/RIAA have Astroturf and public sway camps. These organizations are the biggest threat to humanity that exists today – more so than any terrorist group. It’s like they have become a out of control autonomous organism – whose only goal no matter what (destroying peoples lives, censorship of the internet e.t.c.) is to make more and more and more money. They already have what is effectively global wide monopoly on “Music/Film” – both directly and indirectly via Licenses. And have already mastered the art of Hollywood Accounting and Political Lobbying to further there own goals. I’m wondering where we will be in 10 years time – will I get extradited to Gitmo’ because I haven’t bought enough corperated music? (no I’m not kidding – the way things are going this looks to be a possibility).

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  • jesuschrist

    Weird no Nejtillpirater in this thread. Nejtillpirater they’re talking about you, you surrogate MAFIAA troll.

    • Water is cool

      He isn’t a MAFIAA troll just for having different views.

      MAFIAA labels you as “pirates” and you label people who have different opinions to you as “MAFIAA trolls”. It’s pathetic. Stop labelling people, it’s freedom of speech and with freedom of speech comes the right to think for yourselves.

      Just because I or Nejtillpirater have different views, doesn’t make us a MAFIAA troll. I’m here for a discussion, not to ‘troll’, if I wanted to troll, I’d go to 4chan.

      • jesuschrist

         Yes it does, if I’m a pirate and you’re a troll, pirates smite trolls it’s what they do.

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

         Think it’s pretty clear you’re a troll, and that’s not for having contrary viewpoints. I’ve disagreed with posters here for years and never been labelled a troll. The MAFIAA part is just presumption. Some people troll just for the fun of it, I think it’s possible that’s true with you, but it wouldn’t surprise me to find a high number of posters here that are on Hollywood payroll, considering the content.

      • Guest

         The only different view proven to be real is the MAFIA view. Therefore it is easy to find the Troll surrogate and their paid for opinion such as you.

        And Oh by the way Stop using several ID and defending your own post.You are ridiculous!

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        No, “Nejtillpirater” is not a MAFIAA troll. He is a very well known Swedish Ifpi troll.

        That he may not be paid for the “labor of love” he’s performed spamming swedish blogs for three years with wordwalls doesn’t make him less of a troll. Just a very sad one.

        And the reason we are calling him a troll is because when someone spends three years using every cheap rhetoric trick in the book – to the point of contradicting his own previous statements on nearly every thread where he comments – then you can demonstrably prove that the argumentation he performs is not honest.

        The dictionary definition of someone engaging in persistent dishonest argumentation is, in fact, “troll”. The difference between that behaviour and stating an opinion is quite clearly delineated.

  • JordanKratz

    The MAFIAA is getting to much power in many World Governments due to their Big Money.They also seem to think most people are dumb but they are so wrong.
    More people wake up and see them for what they are each day.More people join in and Boycott them.More people spend less money each year on MAFIAA Material.That is a good thing.The Dinosaur needs to be driven extinct.The Dinosaur needs to be hacked and cracked and then have all their dirty laundry released to the World.The World needs to see just what they have been up to in the shadows.
    The MAFIAA are the biggest crooks.Their darkest corners shall be illuminated with the light of truth.

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    Typical of the MAFIAA, they are acting more and more like thugs. 95% of the public is against this bullshit but yet they will insist and spread more lies. I’m disgusted. I’m driving as many as I can away from buying from these rotten pieces of shit.

  • http://www.postlinearity.com gregorylent

    Buggy whip makers, unite!

  • Mwhahaha

    BTW it’s piss poor that the demonoid article has nearly 500 comments and this doesn’t even have 50.

    Demonoid, the site’s down. For now. 

    This poor guys being sent to a foreign jail for posting urls.

    Nice to know where most people’s priorities are. 

  • Zenamez

    Utter scumbags. But then again it IS the MPAA. Below humankind, they are their own twisted race of assholes who get pleasure out of other people’s misery and pain.

    Hope this extradition doesn’t go through and stays that way. 

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        “twisted race of assholes who get pleasure out of other people’s misery and pain.”

      sounds like an interesting fetish film. Anal, I’d imagine.

  • tim
    • anon

       and email your MP, get them to file an opposition with the Home Secretary

  • MPAA ARE THIEVES

    My opinion is that the MPAA are a bunch of liars and cuntheads. I hope this opinion adds to the damaging public opinion of the MPAA.

  • MpaaIsFools

    “ According to the MPAA, public opinion is skewed because people are being led to believe that TVShack was operating perfectly legal in the UK.” 

    this was the last concern in my opinion stupid mpaa …. you are sooo off the track i cant even believe it … in my opinion YOU ARE the thief that need to be stopped…. fools…. go back chasing ben laden friends i liked it better …. 

  • GeorgeDWarren

    This punk profited from other people’s hard work and they didnt receive any compensation (i’m talking about the rippers, encoders, runners, hosters). If he did it for free, or as an NPO i might have forgiven him, but the fact that he made money from this, is morally reprehensible. Now he is f*cked, no matter which way you look at it, at the end of this ordeal he will either be in jail or in debt and probably both.
    The fundamental, core value of the ‘scene’ filesharing is that no one should profit, thats why we hate torrent sites too, especially those that charge for invites and will gladly DDOS them to hell and back and sites like demonoid, which thank god is off the map forever, rake in tons of money from ‘donations’ that they need to support the site, they rake in far far more and give nothing back.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      @GeorgeDWarren:disqus 

      I’m sorry, but aside from the irrelevant diatribe regarding what you personally think of mr. Dwyer the only thing I see emerging from your comment is that you are very cool with people being extradited despite the fact that they aren’t being criminals under any local or national law.

      When the same extradition for, say, a rapist, would meet with extreme difficulties.

      That tells us more about you than it tells us about demonoid and tvshack.

      • GeorgeDWarren

        i doubt you and there rest of these jokers are smarter than the entire UK judicial system. if there was no real case for his extradition, none of this would be happening. I’m pretty sure the US has made some valid points, or it would never have gotten this far.
        do you also believe in aliens and the illuminati controlling the world??
        you all sound insane.

        • anon

           no the US haven’t made valid points,they were paid as all of our corrupt politicians were. I have spoke to my MP who said they agree its unfair and they will challenge the Home Secretary on it for her to justify.

          No more licking America’s arse, people voted tories because they were sick of labour sucking bush’s balls and asking how high every time he said jump. OUr government needs to grow a backbone and tell the USA to fuck off.

        • Guest

          A judicial system that extradites file sharers but not convicted sex offenders?

          Your standards of who is “smart” and who is a “joker” are warped, to say the least. Most of the UK is against the extradition – would you be saying that most of the UK are criminals, then?

    • Julia Odwyer

       Actually he did pay those people you refer to – hence the conspiracy charge

      • GeorgeDWarren

        what rubbish are you talking about?

    • Seth Leonard

      Your comment reeks of Grey’s law. It’s just too ignorant and presented as hate-bait to not be written by a troll. 

      • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD

        I checked the other comments in his profile: seems like an angry kid to me. There are some attempts to be witty, but his words are so poisonous, they hardly  provoke a smile. Friendly humor (including self-deprecation kind)  is a precondition to taking a virtual person seriously, no matter how oxymoronic it sounds.

    • anon

       MPAA/RIAA employee right there!

  • fukdisqus

    death to america

  • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

    Can the MAFIAA sink any lower?

  • Colin Carr

     Sad to say, I think they are still in shallow water…

  • Anomnomymous

    Guys, a member of British government has been linked here.  Maybe we should stop with the rhetoric based debates and focus on the fact that none of us want O’Dwyer going to the USA, whether what he did was legal or not.  
    It’s not his country, don’t send him there.

    • anon

       send an email of rejection to your MP and get them to present it to Home Secretary.

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    Anyone who writes an article like this should be REQUIRED to give out whether they are being paid by an organization to write the article in question, so that people know whether to take the article seriously or not like they would one written by someone who has no ‘money’ in the equation.

    • anon

       They are obviously writing the article for torrentfreak. Perhaps all commenters should disclose if they are on the MPAA or RIAA payroll?

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  • unusedcrayon

    Good to see the MPAA taking advice from China.

  • Heystoopidone

    Ah, the paid 30 pieces of silver, Merchants of Doubt, propaganda writers strike again, to deliberate create guilt, where there is none and undermine the unfortunate victim’s basic integrity , who created no real crime in the eyes of the law.

    Most interesting, it is the very same psycho babble war of complete nonsense. One that was waged by the venal and corrupt Tobacco Industry for the past fifty years until the law caught up to them for criminal tax evasion, amongst the long list of crimes they are still perpetuating, even to this very day. 

    It is, almost identical to that which is being currently waged, by the very few brainwashed slaves of Anthony Watts/Marc Morano/Heartland Institute at the behest of the Koch Bros, on all climate research scientists, publishing the inconvenient truth. world wide.  

    Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn’t. Mark Twain ”

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  • Cdeva

    I’d like to see other countries, say China, start to uniformly extradite Americans.  Then lets see whether America’s opinion on international extradition (especially over-and-above the extradition agreements as its copyright goons seem to be doing) changes.

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  • http://twitter.com/rmspostcomments Richard M Stallman

    Even the term “copyright theft” is a distortion and a falsehood.What could it mean to “steal” a copyright? You’d have to find someway to take the copyright away by force and gain possession of it.As far as I know, there is no way to do that. It might be possibleto gain possession of a copyright by fraud, but fraud is not the sameas theft.
     

  • http://twitter.com/dartigen Dartigen

    This needs to go on, not only to teach the MPAA to start respecting international law (no, huge amounts of money do not allow you to ignore jurisdiction or due process of law) but also to remind the US that US laws apply on US soil only, and nowhere else. I think American forgets sometimes that some countries have different laws and that’s just the way things are and if you don’t like it well bad luck.

    (And seriously, if what this kid was doing is illegal, then they need to arrest everyone who works on Youtube – or heck, the entire staff of Google. Google’s search engine does the exact same thing – indexing content – and there’s more copyright violation on Youtube in an hour than on that kid’s entire website.
    Oh, wait, that’s right, Google has a ridiculous yearly profit and a legal team to get the case laughed out of court. Ever notice how the MAFIAA never take on the rich?
    This isn’t about prosecuting a copyright violator, this is flat-out bullying. That’s the only reason O’Dwyer’s the target – he can’t defend himself.)

  • http://www.foliobay.com/ Madie

    According to the “communication plan” the MPAA is recruiting “third
    party surrogates” to write op-eds and blog posts which back their
    position.

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