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		<title>By: nakedgoat</title>
		<link>/mpaa-threatens-worlds-premier-usenet-indexer-080528/#comment-521326</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nakedgoat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I want to say is your not paying for &quot;usenet&quot; per say -- Usenet is a large entity, When paying for Premium Usenet servers;  your paying for speed and anonymity no one is twisting your are to pay for anything 99.1% of ISP&#039;s have free Usenet access, not as many connections, not as fast, no SLL, and very LOW retention.   
 
As far as Newzbin, You are paying for a NZB, and no one has to pay, I&#039;ve been using Newzbin since they started; but there are plenty of free ones. 
 
Use BT&#039;s; P2PlamewaRE, But you lamers might want to know what your talking about before attacking something you know nothing about.   
 
It makes me sick just seeing this thread on this site.  1st and last visit so no need to reply directly to me.     
 
Usenet has been around, as stated by educated individuals above long before any  BT / P2P and it will always be here, NZB&#039;s or not. 
 
Have and nice day and go fuck yourself. 
 
-goat ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I want to say is your not paying for &quot;usenet&quot; per say &#8212; Usenet is a large entity, When paying for Premium Usenet servers;  your paying for speed and anonymity no one is twisting your are to pay for anything 99.1% of ISP&#039;s have free Usenet access, not as many connections, not as fast, no SLL, and very LOW retention.   </p>
<p>As far as Newzbin, You are paying for a NZB, and no one has to pay, I&#039;ve been using Newzbin since they started; but there are plenty of free ones. </p>
<p>Use BT&#039;s; P2PlamewaRE, But you lamers might want to know what your talking about before attacking something you know nothing about.   </p>
<p>It makes me sick just seeing this thread on this site.  1st and last visit so no need to reply directly to me.     </p>
<p>Usenet has been around, as stated by educated individuals above long before any  BT / P2P and it will always be here, NZB&#039;s or not. </p>
<p>Have and nice day and go fuck yourself. </p>
<p>-goat </p>
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		<title>By: The Few, The Proud, The Pirates &#187; MPAA Harassment &#8212; Not Just for Torrents Anymore!</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Few, The Proud, The Pirates &#187; MPAA Harassment &#8212; Not Just for Torrents Anymore!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] getting to work and browsing my favorite sites and blogs, I came across this TorrentFreak article regarding Newzbin, a very popular index host located in the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: flow1800</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: furlonium</title>
		<link>/mpaa-threatens-worlds-premier-usenet-indexer-080528/#comment-432022</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[furlonium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t hate if you can&#039;t afford $15-$25/month, and a few bucks a month for Newzbin&#039;s access.

I max out my 20mbps connection immediately on usenet. Not once have I had that happen with ANY torrent.

Time is money, and I&#039;d rather have my 10GB hi-def rip in a couple hours than a few days.

;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t hate if you can&#8217;t afford $15-$25/month, and a few bucks a month for Newzbin&#8217;s access.</p>
<p>I max out my 20mbps connection immediately on usenet. Not once have I had that happen with ANY torrent.</p>
<p>Time is money, and I&#8217;d rather have my 10GB hi-def rip in a couple hours than a few days.</p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>/mpaa-threatens-worlds-premier-usenet-indexer-080528/#comment-417648</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My feeling is that although the crimes should be addressed, and precautions should be taken, the outright removal of ALL newsgroups seems entirely unfair. There are plenty of newsgroups that are completely legitimate. Microsoft, Apple, Google and even our Government all have newsgroup relations. TO kill this access to information seems a great deal overboard.
FOr me, this was the final straw. TWC was only kept around as my ISP because of Usenet access. Without this, I am leaving. I joined www.newsdemon.com and they&#039;re actually better than any usenet access that Ive had with an ISP, or with any other Usenet provider for that matter. 
Now the mission is to find another ISP that has my interest in mind rather than one that takes advantage of a situation in order  to cut costs on bandwidth. 
D. Linus]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My feeling is that although the crimes should be addressed, and precautions should be taken, the outright removal of ALL newsgroups seems entirely unfair. There are plenty of newsgroups that are completely legitimate. Microsoft, Apple, Google and even our Government all have newsgroup relations. TO kill this access to information seems a great deal overboard.<br />
FOr me, this was the final straw. TWC was only kept around as my ISP because of Usenet access. Without this, I am leaving. I joined <a href="http://www.newsdemon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsdemon.com</a> and they&#8217;re actually better than any usenet access that Ive had with an ISP, or with any other Usenet provider for that matter.<br />
Now the mission is to find another ISP that has my interest in mind rather than one that takes advantage of a situation in order  to cut costs on bandwidth.<br />
D. Linus</p>
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		<title>By: MPAA Threatens World's Premier Usenet Indexer&#160;at IDTorrent Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MPAA Threatens World's Premier Usenet Indexer&#160;at IDTorrent Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: super hero</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 04:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[91: please do remember that we probably won&#039;t be using XviD for video then so your numbers are a little off but you&#039;re right in the bigger picture of things ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>91: please do remember that we probably won&#8217;t be using XviD for video then so your numbers are a little off but you&#8217;re right in the bigger picture of things ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Ponderings For 2008-06-03 &#187; Ponderings Of Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ponderings For 2008-06-03 &#187; Ponderings Of Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Hold strong, NewzBin&#8230; [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Simple Math</title>
		<link>/mpaa-threatens-worlds-premier-usenet-indexer-080528/#comment-406119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simple Math]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 08:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ve already won the piracy war people, it&#039;s just a question of time. 

Assuming 1 AxxO movie = 700 MB, the average MP3 = 5 MB, and a $200 hard drive increases in capacity every 1.5 years (not unreasonable), then:

5 years (2012) - We&#039;ll have 7 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 9,643 Movies or 1.3 Million songs!!

10 years (2017) - We&#039;ll have 51 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 73,225 movies or 10.3 MILLION songs

15 years (2022) - We&#039;ll have a 389 Terabyte hard drive costing $200, that can store 556,000 Movies!!! or 77.8 Million songs (Is there even that many songs in the history of the world?!?!?)

20 years (2027) - We&#039;ll have a 2956 TERABYTE hard drive, costing $200, that can store 4.2 MILLION MOVIES or 590 MILLION MP3s!

==================
GAME *UCKING OVER!
===================

By 2030, we&#039;ll have every movie and song in the world stored on our freakin&#039; wrist watches!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve already won the piracy war people, it&#8217;s just a question of time. </p>
<p>Assuming 1 AxxO movie = 700 MB, the average MP3 = 5 MB, and a $200 hard drive increases in capacity every 1.5 years (not unreasonable), then:</p>
<p>5 years (2012) &#8211; We&#8217;ll have 7 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 9,643 Movies or 1.3 Million songs!!</p>
<p>10 years (2017) &#8211; We&#8217;ll have 51 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 73,225 movies or 10.3 MILLION songs</p>
<p>15 years (2022) &#8211; We&#8217;ll have a 389 Terabyte hard drive costing $200, that can store 556,000 Movies!!! or 77.8 Million songs (Is there even that many songs in the history of the world?!?!?)</p>
<p>20 years (2027) &#8211; We&#8217;ll have a 2956 TERABYTE hard drive, costing $200, that can store 4.2 MILLION MOVIES or 590 MILLION MP3s!</p>
<p>==================<br />
GAME *UCKING OVER!<br />
===================</p>
<p>By 2030, we&#8217;ll have every movie and song in the world stored on our freakin&#8217; wrist watches!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 06:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EVERYBODY pays.

Usenet users are smart enough to pay in cash and in return they get premium quality reliable service that makes the most effective use of the bandwidth they have available to them

P2P users, like BT users, pay by turning over their upload resources, that they have to pay an ISP for, to a &#039;community&#039;. In return they get mediocre quality service and low reliability regarding actually completing downloads.

If you see it on usenet you CAN download it. If you see a torrent for it, you MIGHT be able to download it. Usenet is not susceptible to the seeder deciding to shut down their computer the way torrents are.

Usenet can be used as a download only service without damaging the network. P2P requires risky uploading or your use is demeaning the quality of the network for everybody.

Besides all that how much are usent users really paying? A ticket to a movie theater cost around $10 to $12 these days. To rent a movie is between $3 and $4 or around $20 per month for a &#039;plan&#039;. Tv shows from Itunes sell for $2 or $3 a piece.

I typically download 20 or 30 tv shows per month and just as many movies. I pay $15 per month. 

I have a buddy that laughed when I paid a hooker $100 for sex. He said I was a loser and he would never pay for sex. He then spent $100 taking a woman to dinner and $60 taking her to a movie after dinner and he burned $20 worth of gas driving around town. He got a good night kiss. 3 more dates and he should be getting that &#039;free&#039; sex.

EVERYBODY pays!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EVERYBODY pays.</p>
<p>Usenet users are smart enough to pay in cash and in return they get premium quality reliable service that makes the most effective use of the bandwidth they have available to them</p>
<p>P2P users, like BT users, pay by turning over their upload resources, that they have to pay an ISP for, to a &#8216;community&#8217;. In return they get mediocre quality service and low reliability regarding actually completing downloads.</p>
<p>If you see it on usenet you CAN download it. If you see a torrent for it, you MIGHT be able to download it. Usenet is not susceptible to the seeder deciding to shut down their computer the way torrents are.</p>
<p>Usenet can be used as a download only service without damaging the network. P2P requires risky uploading or your use is demeaning the quality of the network for everybody.</p>
<p>Besides all that how much are usent users really paying? A ticket to a movie theater cost around $10 to $12 these days. To rent a movie is between $3 and $4 or around $20 per month for a &#8216;plan&#8217;. Tv shows from Itunes sell for $2 or $3 a piece.</p>
<p>I typically download 20 or 30 tv shows per month and just as many movies. I pay $15 per month. </p>
<p>I have a buddy that laughed when I paid a hooker $100 for sex. He said I was a loser and he would never pay for sex. He then spent $100 taking a woman to dinner and $60 taking her to a movie after dinner and he burned $20 worth of gas driving around town. He got a good night kiss. 3 more dates and he should be getting that &#8216;free&#8217; sex.</p>
<p>EVERYBODY pays!!!</p>
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