As far as Newzbin, You are paying for a NZB, and no one has to pay, I've been using Newzbin since they started; but there are plenty of free ones.

Use BT's; P2PlamewaRE, But you lamers might want to know what your talking about before attacking something you know nothing about.

It makes me sick just seeing this thread on this site. 1st and last visit so no need to reply directly to me.

Usenet has been around, as stated by educated individuals above long before any BT / P2P and it will always be here, NZB's or not.

Have and nice day and go fuck yourself.

-goat

I max out my 20mbps connection immediately on usenet. Not once have I had that happen with ANY torrent.

Time is money, and I’d rather have my 10GB hi-def rip in a couple hours than a few days.

;)

Assuming 1 AxxO movie = 700 MB, the average MP3 = 5 MB, and a $200 hard drive increases in capacity every 1.5 years (not unreasonable), then:

5 years (2012) – We’ll have 7 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 9,643 Movies or 1.3 Million songs!!

10 years (2017) – We’ll have 51 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 73,225 movies or 10.3 MILLION songs

15 years (2022) – We’ll have a 389 Terabyte hard drive costing $200, that can store 556,000 Movies!!! or 77.8 Million songs (Is there even that many songs in the history of the world?!?!?)

20 years (2027) – We’ll have a 2956 TERABYTE hard drive, costing $200, that can store 4.2 MILLION MOVIES or 590 MILLION MP3s!

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GAME *UCKING OVER!
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By 2030, we’ll have every movie and song in the world stored on our freakin’ wrist watches!

Usenet users are smart enough to pay in cash and in return they get premium quality reliable service that makes the most effective use of the bandwidth they have available to them

P2P users, like BT users, pay by turning over their upload resources, that they have to pay an ISP for, to a ‘community’. In return they get mediocre quality service and low reliability regarding actually completing downloads.

If you see it on usenet you CAN download it. If you see a torrent for it, you MIGHT be able to download it. Usenet is not susceptible to the seeder deciding to shut down their computer the way torrents are.

Usenet can be used as a download only service without damaging the network. P2P requires risky uploading or your use is demeaning the quality of the network for everybody.

Besides all that how much are usent users really paying? A ticket to a movie theater cost around $10 to $12 these days. To rent a movie is between $3 and $4 or around $20 per month for a ‘plan’. Tv shows from Itunes sell for $2 or $3 a piece.

I typically download 20 or 30 tv shows per month and just as many movies. I pay $15 per month.

I have a buddy that laughed when I paid a hooker $100 for sex. He said I was a loser and he would never pay for sex. He then spent $100 taking a woman to dinner and $60 taking her to a movie after dinner and he burned $20 worth of gas driving around town. He got a good night kiss. 3 more dates and he should be getting that ‘free’ sex.

EVERYBODY pays!!!

Yeah the good O-Day Sites have P2L, but you don’t have to pay use them.

And if you navigate all of the trackers, you can find free leech on nearly everything if you try hard enough.

And it really is free, especially if you pirate your neighbors wireless.

Just keep payin for what you can get for free.

However, if you have even a little bit of sence you know how to use Newzbin in combination with other sites to get the same bunch of files – all Newzbin has done is alread grabbed the file information you need to use….

Or of course, just use other free indexing sites

For downloading? Yes, most definitely. Usenet transfers go in one way only. If you want to upload something, you upload. If you want to download something, you download. Most servers don’t even keep records of what you download, only how much.

“I don’t use nzb’s and never really have. It’s not like there’s much going on in Usenet anymore, there’re only a few dozen active groups, the rest are just spam accumulators. Decent readers can also do their own header searches.”

Usenet search sites are extremely useful because you don’t always know what group something was posted to. I’ve found movies and TV shows posted to some odd groups. They might be in a.b.multimedia, a.b.movies, a.b.movies.divx, a.b.boneless, etc. A good NZB site will find them no matter where they’re posted. I follow a few groups “manually”, but I use Binsearch when I’m looking for something specific.

” I really can’t understand anyone who would use usenet at all.

It’s so weird, and akwardly-setup from the sounds of it, and YOU HAVE TO PAY like $20/month? I’ve already paid for my awesome internet plan, I thought that would be enough to have access to great file-sharing, and it is. Private trackers and good torrent sites are all I need, thanks.”

Recently, I downloaded an older TV series from BT. It was five seasons of 13 half-hour episodes at about 175MB each. It took a week to get the entire thing, 11GB. With a good Usenet account, I can download all seven seasons of an hour long TV show at 22 episodes a season, 360MB an episode, in two days.

As long as you have a good Usenet provider and what you’re downloading was posted by a competent uploader, you never have to worry about getting stuck at 98% or have to post the equivalent of “Please seed!” messages. You also don’t have to worry about what you want only being available from some private source that you need an invite to join.

Never once had a fake file from bittorent & i always max my connection out, Maybe you should jump off the likes of TPB & mininova…. :)

Given I am an impatient guy, and I can click- it download max speed, not lose upload speed…

Nzb:

Fast
Organised
Not fake
No virusses
Little risk

Torrent:

Can be slow
Ratios
Fake Files
CAN BE SLOW.

Personal choice, and me… nzb forever.

Torrents i’m just too impatient for.

I say that it is a time to pursue all means to destroy the propaganda regime of those “anti-pirates.”

For we must set up NPO’s for the purpose of advocacy and legal defense. For I had not seen a single NPO for this purpose. The EFF is not for this purpose. They do not care about file-sharing. The Free Software Foundation does not care about people uploading albums, only software. Let us all volunteer our time to help those unfortunate individuals, for their propaganda and persecution has already gone on long enough.

For this purpose, I propose that we start collecting a list of volunteers for the establishment of an organization for the rallying of the cause.

For the anti-pirates cannot be allowed to have a monopoly on saying that we are criminals, any more. We have no voice, but we must, for we must get out to the public that we believe we are good and righteous.

tl;dr fuckwad theory is being demonstrated

It’s so weird, and akwardly-setup from the sounds of it, and YOU HAVE TO PAY like $20/month? I’ve already paid for my awesome internet plan, I thought that would be enough to have access to great file-sharing, and it is. Private trackers and good torrent sites are all I need, thanks.

Where is your God now?

Nothing to see here – just move along, folks…

JT
http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com

Of course the truth, according to the first rule of Usenet, is that Usenet is extremely expensive, 100% leechers – nobody *ever* posts anything, way too complex (it is 25 years old of course), it never works, it smells of fish, and is imaginary anyway. P2P and sneakernet are much much better.

See, it’s all an evil plan.

Newzbin has today received a letter from the Motion Picture Association (MPA).
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Newzbin has today received a letter from the Motion Picture Association (MPA).
Newzbin has today received a letter from the Motion Picture Association (MPA).
Newzbin has today received a letter from the Motion Picture Association (MPA).Newzbin has today received a letter from the Motion Picture Association (MPA).

Look what has happened to the (open) p2p/torrent scene…

Usenet is still used (mostly) only by people who know what they are doing.

I have only seen one or two comments on IRC/websites saying “OH LOL HOW DO I DOWNLOADED FILE FROM THIS?”

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also with usenet we have ssl that works unlike bit torrent which sends unencrypted packets if the clients you connect to dont have ssl enabled

we also get to max out our connections. 2.5mb/s down on my end

http://newzleech.com/ for free usenet seaching nzb creation and also user submitted nzb’s pretty much identicle to what newzbin offers now

enjoy your slow bit torrent with repacked and extracted releases and we will enjoy full speeds, safety and access to pretty much all release’s for only $10/month

EFF is no good, they only care about “copyright abuses.”
FSF is also no good: limited to software.
SFC — what the hell is SFC? Sexual freedom coalition?

“There are plenty of NPO’s in the US alone.”

This is laughable. There is not a single advocacy-legal group in favor of file-sharing as a whole.

The best advice I can give is get legal advice and keep yourselves out of trouble, keep the service alive if you can but don’t end up in jail because of it.

But lets not turn this into a Torrent Vs Usenet debate.

Come play on the Newzbin TF2 server and lets settle the Torrent Vs Usenet argument once and for all

85.158.42.141:27015

FYI, we did exactly that when we mailed them back.

The problem is, you can’t tell a court and a judge to fuck off. That gets
you thrown in jail. If this goes to court, and we lose, would you rather:

a) shut down cos we have no alternative system
b) carry on, in a somewhat reduced capacity, with the alternative system
currently being developed.

Newzbin haters need not answer the question.

not to mention scene releases pop up on usenet minutes after they are pre’d.

but by all means torrent noobs, stay on your ‘awesome private trackers’ for all i care.

Or-r-r…..People that decide to start trackers or NZB sites can grow a damn backbone and just tell the MPAA to fuck off.

I pay my ISP for internet and i get decent usenet access with it. I don’t pay for extra usenet access because I’ve found no reason to.

Btw, NZBs.org has a great indexed list of stuff and a really slick and simple website.

Also, wtf about newzbin being a piad for service? They give 20 days retention for free (which is obviously more than I can use given the relatively poor but sufficient 7 days provided by my isp).

Anyways, point is, you don’t *have* to pay for usenet although I can imagine that 200 days retention would open up a whole world of movies, tv shows and music. Whatever, I get my weekly serial fix which is good enough for me.

I don’t use nzb’s and never really have. It’s not like there’s much going on in Usenet anymore, there’re only a few dozen active groups, the rest are just spam accumulators. Decent readers can also do their own header searches.