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		<title>By: damon</title>
		<link>/music-piracy-not-that-bad-industry-says-090118/#comment-527089</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Music piracy is  good promotion for musicians. You can share your music and find new funs, promotion in internet is most important thing for newcomer bands. Also famous bands use it, example:  radiohead offered last album to download for free.  If you are playing good music, your funs will always buy your album, ticket for your concert  or  tshirt. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Music piracy is  good promotion for musicians. You can share your music and find new funs, promotion in internet is most important thing for newcomer bands. Also famous bands use it, example:  radiohead offered last album to download for free.  If you are playing good music, your funs will always buy your album, ticket for your concert  or  tshirt. </p>
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		<title>By: Bobilicious</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bands can&#039;t only gig. It takes time to write an album and it&#039;s hard work. Plus who is paying to have the album recorded? The record labels? If so, and they put in their $500,000 to record and promote it but never see a penny out of record sales what happens? They drop artists cause they&#039;re not profitable, or aren&#039;t profitable enough right away like they used to be. Now the label has to take more risk, they know albums don&#039;t sell so they have to prepare to invest in tours before any real money is being made but now that&#039;s increasing the risk drastically and that&#039;s what brought the 360 deals around (labels are now taking a cut of merch, ticket sales, and all kinds of stuff they never touched before to compensate). The artist is left with even less because of all of it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bands can&#039;t only gig. It takes time to write an album and it&#039;s hard work. Plus who is paying to have the album recorded? The record labels? If so, and they put in their $500,000 to record and promote it but never see a penny out of record sales what happens? They drop artists cause they&#039;re not profitable, or aren&#039;t profitable enough right away like they used to be. Now the label has to take more risk, they know albums don&#039;t sell so they have to prepare to invest in tours before any real money is being made but now that&#039;s increasing the risk drastically and that&#039;s what brought the 360 deals around (labels are now taking a cut of merch, ticket sales, and all kinds of stuff they never touched before to compensate). The artist is left with even less because of all of it. </p>
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		<title>By: Lunasa</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Respect is earned, not given. If you are just going to be a piece of shit and post more RIAA and co. garbage, then you&#039;re just a piece of shit. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respect is earned, not given. If you are just going to be a piece of shit and post more RIAA and co. garbage, then you&#039;re just a piece of shit. </p>
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		<title>By: Mystia</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again, ignorant industry idiots prove that they have no brains, and hold a pretense of being morally superior, when, in fact, they stoop even lower than all other extortionists and scammers. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, ignorant industry idiots prove that they have no brains, and hold a pretense of being morally superior, when, in fact, they stoop even lower than all other extortionists and scammers. </p>
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		<title>By: Marisa</title>
		<link>/music-piracy-not-that-bad-industry-says-090118/#comment-526407</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, good, another stupid RIAA fuckwad. Care to cite any data to show that the more piracy goes on, the less money an artist makes? In fact, you ignorant fuck, if you had any brains, you would know that the more rich artists has more piracy going on. 
You ignorant RIAA fuck. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, good, another stupid RIAA fuckwad. Care to cite any data to show that the more piracy goes on, the less money an artist makes? In fact, you ignorant fuck, if you had any brains, you would know that the more rich artists has more piracy going on.<br />
You ignorant RIAA fuck. </p>
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		<title>By: Roze</title>
		<link>/music-piracy-not-that-bad-industry-says-090118/#comment-526405</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Respectfully - the presumption here is that &#039;bands&#039; and &#039;music&#039; are the same thing - that electronic music, string quartets, composers, and other forms of music that are largely recorded only don&#039;t exist - and that all songwriters must be performers - even the ugly / old ones who can&#039;t sing.&lt;/i&gt; 
If you are intelligent at all, you would know that there was no such assumption. 
 
&lt;i&gt;Equally - a recording can easily sell 2000-10,000 copies worldwide, paying itself off, while 2000 fans is not enough for a band to make a global tour - and it&#039;s sad to say but being good will not find you fame (or even gigs).&lt;/i&gt; 
So you&#039;re saying that tours need to be global? You also miss the fact that recordings do not make much money anyways. 
 
&lt;i&gt;Related question - what size audience do you need to be playing to twice a week to keep yourself on the road, bearing in mind that either you need to drive back to work the next day, or you can only tour in your holiday?&lt;/i&gt; 
About 300 sounds about right. Performances, after all, do not need to be expensive endeavors, and not everyone needs to know the band beforehand, and performances do not need to be lone performances. 
 
&lt;i&gt;And you know, there&#039;s something faintly depressing about this constant clarion call for people to work hard - have we all signed up to the Republican party?&lt;/i&gt; 
If you want to offer artists welfare, then do so, but not through a method (copyright) that does not actually benefit artists at all, and which takes away other people&#039;s rights. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Respectfully &#8211; the presumption here is that &#039;bands&#039; and &#039;music&#039; are the same thing &#8211; that electronic music, string quartets, composers, and other forms of music that are largely recorded only don&#039;t exist &#8211; and that all songwriters must be performers &#8211; even the ugly / old ones who can&#039;t sing.</i><br />
If you are intelligent at all, you would know that there was no such assumption. </p>
<p><i>Equally &#8211; a recording can easily sell 2000-10,000 copies worldwide, paying itself off, while 2000 fans is not enough for a band to make a global tour &#8211; and it&#039;s sad to say but being good will not find you fame (or even gigs).</i><br />
So you&#039;re saying that tours need to be global? You also miss the fact that recordings do not make much money anyways. </p>
<p><i>Related question &#8211; what size audience do you need to be playing to twice a week to keep yourself on the road, bearing in mind that either you need to drive back to work the next day, or you can only tour in your holiday?</i><br />
About 300 sounds about right. Performances, after all, do not need to be expensive endeavors, and not everyone needs to know the band beforehand, and performances do not need to be lone performances. </p>
<p><i>And you know, there&#039;s something faintly depressing about this constant clarion call for people to work hard &#8211; have we all signed up to the Republican party?</i><br />
If you want to offer artists welfare, then do so, but not through a method (copyright) that does not actually benefit artists at all, and which takes away other people&#039;s rights. </p>
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		<title>By: Roze</title>
		<link>/music-piracy-not-that-bad-industry-says-090118/#comment-526400</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;the recording process, marketing, etc&lt;/i&gt; 
Which, of course, cost nothing now. Moreover, marketing is already done by the file-sharing community for free. 
 
&lt;i&gt;I would say that is a major argument in favour of copyright for the small artist, even if they don&#039;t monetarily benefit. &lt;/i&gt; 
If they don&#039;t monetarily benefit, then that is not a major argument in favor of copyright for the small artist at all. 
 
&lt;i&gt;Secondly - no one is taking away your right to copy and distribute CDs - you never had any right to distribute the contents of that CD.&lt;/i&gt; 
It is called property rights. Once one owns a CD, one has the property right to do whatever one wishes with it, and that includes making another copy of it and giving it to somebody else. For example, one one buys a hammer, one has the right to make a replica of the hammer and give the replica to somebody else. This is the right you take away through copyright. 
 
&lt;i&gt;That is what the record label and publisher paid the artist for - usually, but not always, under an exclusive licence, but certainly more than you paid for your CD - in the same way broadcasting rights to a TV show cost a little bit more than the private viewing rights you purchase as a DVD. 
 
Remember, it is these rights that enables the artist to negotiate favourable, or dumb, terms with the company.&lt;/i&gt; 
You mean the right to curtail other people&#039;s rights. As I have stated before, the one who wishes to take rights away from others is the one with the burden of proof and paying a sum of money does not constitute &quot;proof.&quot; 
 
&lt;i&gt;Put another way - the nature of the work that would be created under such a regime would be very different from that created under the &#039;invest in recording / recoup from royalties&#039; model. It is unlikely you would get something like MBV&#039;s Loveless (approx. $400,000 of record company money spent recording) or Joanna Newsome&#039;s &#039;Ys&#039; (Van Dyke Parks, an orchestra and Abbey Road don&#039;t come cheap).&lt;/i&gt; 
Incorrect. See: Nine Inch Nails. 
 
&lt;i&gt;Lastly - as you say, there are plenty of bands who release their work for free. In which case, support them, rather than material produced by a system you disagree with.&lt;/i&gt; 
The ones who release their work for free are already alright, but the MAFIAA, which wishes to impose a police state on the internet and uses FUD extortion and bullying tactics, are not alright. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the recording process, marketing, etc</i><br />
Which, of course, cost nothing now. Moreover, marketing is already done by the file-sharing community for free. </p>
<p><i>I would say that is a major argument in favour of copyright for the small artist, even if they don&#039;t monetarily benefit. </i><br />
If they don&#039;t monetarily benefit, then that is not a major argument in favor of copyright for the small artist at all. </p>
<p><i>Secondly &#8211; no one is taking away your right to copy and distribute CDs &#8211; you never had any right to distribute the contents of that CD.</i><br />
It is called property rights. Once one owns a CD, one has the property right to do whatever one wishes with it, and that includes making another copy of it and giving it to somebody else. For example, one one buys a hammer, one has the right to make a replica of the hammer and give the replica to somebody else. This is the right you take away through copyright. </p>
<p><i>That is what the record label and publisher paid the artist for &#8211; usually, but not always, under an exclusive licence, but certainly more than you paid for your CD &#8211; in the same way broadcasting rights to a TV show cost a little bit more than the private viewing rights you purchase as a DVD. </p>
<p>Remember, it is these rights that enables the artist to negotiate favourable, or dumb, terms with the company.</i><br />
You mean the right to curtail other people&#039;s rights. As I have stated before, the one who wishes to take rights away from others is the one with the burden of proof and paying a sum of money does not constitute &quot;proof.&quot; </p>
<p><i>Put another way &#8211; the nature of the work that would be created under such a regime would be very different from that created under the &#039;invest in recording / recoup from royalties&#039; model. It is unlikely you would get something like MBV&#039;s Loveless (approx. $400,000 of record company money spent recording) or Joanna Newsome&#039;s &#039;Ys&#039; (Van Dyke Parks, an orchestra and Abbey Road don&#039;t come cheap).</i><br />
Incorrect. See: Nine Inch Nails. </p>
<p><i>Lastly &#8211; as you say, there are plenty of bands who release their work for free. In which case, support them, rather than material produced by a system you disagree with.</i><br />
The ones who release their work for free are already alright, but the MAFIAA, which wishes to impose a police state on the internet and uses FUD extortion and bullying tactics, are not alright. </p>
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		<title>By: Roze</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;society has benefited from the ability of authors, songwriters, film directors, cinematographers, illustrators, etc to work on their art full-time, rather than, say, wasting 70% of their time waiting tables&lt;/i&gt; 
 
No reason why they can&#039;t still work on their art full-time, since it is still possible to make money even if people are sharing. See: Nine Inch Nails. (Just in case you were somehow not able to read the previous comment.) 
 
&lt;i&gt;this is an opinion you want to believe, rather than one founded on fact&lt;/i&gt; 
Show how the industry has conscience. They have consistently acted in bullying people with copyright extortion. The fact is that they are a business, and the default is that everything they do is a business practice to make more money, which is not conscience. Thus, you have the burden of proof that they make the effort to track down Black musicians to ensure them royalties, rather than to receive money money money; you have not proved this so far. 
 
&lt;i&gt;someone who believes that not being able to have everything they want for free is affecting their &#039;rights&#039;&lt;/i&gt; 
Implicit there is the fallacious assumption that this is what a file-sharer is. File-sharing, if you know anything, is about sharing, not about &quot;having things for free.&quot; It is about creating multiple copies so that everyone could have it. If we were able to do the same thing for a car (i. e. make copies of cars), then everybody could have a car, no matter how poor they were. 
 
(Note: throughout this post, I have been using the word &quot;art,&quot; but it really does not describe it. The more proper term is &quot;entertainment.&quot;) ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>society has benefited from the ability of authors, songwriters, film directors, cinematographers, illustrators, etc to work on their art full-time, rather than, say, wasting 70% of their time waiting tables</i> </p>
<p>No reason why they can&#039;t still work on their art full-time, since it is still possible to make money even if people are sharing. See: Nine Inch Nails. (Just in case you were somehow not able to read the previous comment.) </p>
<p><i>this is an opinion you want to believe, rather than one founded on fact</i><br />
Show how the industry has conscience. They have consistently acted in bullying people with copyright extortion. The fact is that they are a business, and the default is that everything they do is a business practice to make more money, which is not conscience. Thus, you have the burden of proof that they make the effort to track down Black musicians to ensure them royalties, rather than to receive money money money; you have not proved this so far. </p>
<p><i>someone who believes that not being able to have everything they want for free is affecting their &#039;rights&#039;</i><br />
Implicit there is the fallacious assumption that this is what a file-sharer is. File-sharing, if you know anything, is about sharing, not about &quot;having things for free.&quot; It is about creating multiple copies so that everyone could have it. If we were able to do the same thing for a car (i. e. make copies of cars), then everybody could have a car, no matter how poor they were. </p>
<p>(Note: throughout this post, I have been using the word &quot;art,&quot; but it really does not describe it. The more proper term is &quot;entertainment.&quot;) </p>
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		<title>By: JulesLt</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Respectfully - the presumption here is that &#039;bands&#039; and &#039;music&#039; are the same thing - that electronic music, string quartets, composers, and other forms of music that are largely recorded only don&#039;t exist - and that all songwriters must be performers - even the ugly / old ones who can&#039;t sing.  
  
Equally - a recording can easily sell 2000-10,000 copies worldwide, paying itself off, while 2000 fans is not enough for a band to make a global tour - and it&#039;s sad to say but being good will not find you fame (or even gigs).  
 
Related question - what size audience do you need to be playing to twice a week to keep yourself on the road, bearing in mind that either you need to drive back to work the next day, or you can only tour in your holiday? 
  
And you know, there&#039;s something faintly depressing about this constant clarion call for people to work hard - have we all signed up to the Republican party? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respectfully &#8211; the presumption here is that &#039;bands&#039; and &#039;music&#039; are the same thing &#8211; that electronic music, string quartets, composers, and other forms of music that are largely recorded only don&#039;t exist &#8211; and that all songwriters must be performers &#8211; even the ugly / old ones who can&#039;t sing.  </p>
<p>Equally &#8211; a recording can easily sell 2000-10,000 copies worldwide, paying itself off, while 2000 fans is not enough for a band to make a global tour &#8211; and it&#039;s sad to say but being good will not find you fame (or even gigs).  </p>
<p>Related question &#8211; what size audience do you need to be playing to twice a week to keep yourself on the road, bearing in mind that either you need to drive back to work the next day, or you can only tour in your holiday? </p>
<p>And you know, there&#039;s something faintly depressing about this constant clarion call for people to work hard &#8211; have we all signed up to the Republican party? </p>
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		<title>By: JulesLt</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A simple reason that the labels take a large chunk of the money is that they put up a large amount of the investment money to fund the recording process, marketing, etc - i.e. costs and risks which would otherwise be born by the band. 
 
For a small artist - let&#039;s say 2000-5000 sales - that can be pretty significant. Let&#039;s imagine our &#039;album&#039; costs $4000-$10,000 for a couple of weeks in a recording studio. Even if the band actually see no money from the recording, they have also not spent anything recording it. The label takes on most of the risk. 
 
If we push that onto the band, and presuming they can somehow raise $4000, then they&#039;re $4000 down before they even start. I would say that is a major argument in favour of copyright for the small artist, even if they don&#039;t monetarily benefit. 
  
Secondly - no one is taking away your right to copy and distribute CDs - you never had any right to distribute the contents of that CD.  
 
That is what the record label and publisher paid the artist for - usually, but not always, under an exclusive licence, but certainly more than you paid for your CD - in the same way broadcasting rights to a TV show cost a little bit more than the private viewing rights you purchase as a DVD. 
 
Remember, it is these rights that enables the artist to negotiate favourable, or dumb, terms with the company.  
 
Put another way - the nature of the work that would be created under such a regime would be very different from that created under the &#039;invest in recording / recoup from royalties&#039; model. It is unlikely you would get something like MBV&#039;s Loveless (approx. $400,000 of record company money spent recording) or Joanna Newsome&#039;s &#039;Ys&#039; (Van Dyke Parks, an orchestra and Abbey Road don&#039;t come cheap). 
 
Lastly - as you say, there are plenty of bands who release their work for free. In which case, support them, rather than material produced by a system you disagree with. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A simple reason that the labels take a large chunk of the money is that they put up a large amount of the investment money to fund the recording process, marketing, etc &#8211; i.e. costs and risks which would otherwise be born by the band. </p>
<p>For a small artist &#8211; let&#039;s say 2000-5000 sales &#8211; that can be pretty significant. Let&#039;s imagine our &#039;album&#039; costs $4000-$10,000 for a couple of weeks in a recording studio. Even if the band actually see no money from the recording, they have also not spent anything recording it. The label takes on most of the risk. </p>
<p>If we push that onto the band, and presuming they can somehow raise $4000, then they&#039;re $4000 down before they even start. I would say that is a major argument in favour of copyright for the small artist, even if they don&#039;t monetarily benefit. </p>
<p>Secondly &#8211; no one is taking away your right to copy and distribute CDs &#8211; you never had any right to distribute the contents of that CD.  </p>
<p>That is what the record label and publisher paid the artist for &#8211; usually, but not always, under an exclusive licence, but certainly more than you paid for your CD &#8211; in the same way broadcasting rights to a TV show cost a little bit more than the private viewing rights you purchase as a DVD. </p>
<p>Remember, it is these rights that enables the artist to negotiate favourable, or dumb, terms with the company.  </p>
<p>Put another way &#8211; the nature of the work that would be created under such a regime would be very different from that created under the &#039;invest in recording / recoup from royalties&#039; model. It is unlikely you would get something like MBV&#039;s Loveless (approx. $400,000 of record company money spent recording) or Joanna Newsome&#039;s &#039;Ys&#039; (Van Dyke Parks, an orchestra and Abbey Road don&#039;t come cheap). </p>
<p>Lastly &#8211; as you say, there are plenty of bands who release their work for free. In which case, support them, rather than material produced by a system you disagree with. </p>
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