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Music Piracy Row Escalates Between Label and Magazine

A London-based music label and a German music magazine are having an escalating high-profile row over two leaked albums. Ninja Tunes have publicly accused Backspin magazine of leaking promos sent to them earlier this month, accusations the magazine aggressively denies. So who leaked what and when? TorrentFreak takes a look.

Leaks of albums on the Internet are hardly a new phenomenon but while most labels suppress their anger, London-based Ninja Tune have taken the opposite approach by naming and shaming the people they believe are responsible.

Ninja Tune, the label founded by DJs Matt Black and Jonathan More (better known as Coldcut), say that after sending watermarked promo CDs to Germany-based Backspin magazine earlier this month, two albums leaked online.


The Ninja Tunes logo

ninja

“It was with considerable disappointment that we learnt in the last week that two records we have been working on have been leaked, despite the use of watermarked CDs,” the label said this week.

“Toddla T’s Watch Me Dance (Ninja Tune) and another upcoming release were both leaked from copies sent to the journalist Benjamin Jager at the offices of Backspin magazine in Germany.”

While Ninja have refrained from naming the second title, TorrentFreak has learned that it is Thundercat’s The Golden Age Of Apocalypse.

Ninja reacted to the leaks by rushing out Toddla T’s album alongside claims that it may not be possible “to make any kind of financial return from commercial release.” Backspin, they add, won’t be getting any more promos “until the situation is resolved.”

That point could be some way off – Backspin are far from happy.

“Since its founding days BACKSPIN Magazine has been renowned for its professional and trustworthy relationship with artists, labels and partners. Therefore, we distance ourselves from allegations made against the magazine and its staff,” the accused Benjamin Jager announced.

Backspin say they are reserving the right to take legal measures to mitigate what they describe as damage to their reputation, but the row hasn’t ended there. Both Ninja Tune and Backspin are arguing over the timelines of when the magazine received the promos and when they appeared on the Internet.

“The first leaks appeared on the net days before we received the CDs in the mail,” Backspin insist. “Further leaks appeared one week after the incident was reported.”

According to Ninja the promos were sent from their German publicist on July 1st and the magazine acknowledged receipt “several days ago” which even by conservative measurement is a period of at least two weeks.

“The first audio leak of the Toddla T album occurred on the 5th July, the second album [Thundercat's The Golden Age Of Apocalypse] leaked on 14th July,” claim Ninja Tune.

Using Scene databases, TorrentFreak discovered that both albums were released by Scene release group hbZ, known online as homeboyZ.


The Scene group behind the Ninja leaks

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However, while Thundercat’s album was indeed leaked on 14th July (at 01:32) it appears that Toddla T’s wasn’t leaked by hbZ until 6th July (at 13:14), a day later than claimed by Ninja.

But according to Ninja Tune, Backspin believe the leaks go back even further.

“Backspin also claim that there was a prior leak of both albums but the link they refer to is a fake, and leads only to a series of online data collection adverts and surveys,” say Ninja, refuting the claim.

So could there be any truth in Backspin’s claim? Quite frankly, it’s extremely difficult to tell. While so-called Scene releases, such as these from homeboyZ, are very well documented, leaks from other sources are much more difficult to pinpoint, unless one is looking for them ‘live’.

However, there is an interesting element to many of homeboyZ’s releases. The vast majority of them are ‘nuked’, which in layman’s terms means that the piracy scene found something wrong with them and disallowed the release. For every ‘nuke’ a reason is given, and for homeboyZ a recurring theme runs through many of their releases, including the two from Ninja.


It might have been ‘nuked’ but the music plays just fine….

ninja

“No.proof.provided” or similar phasing means that a group has made a release without showing, even in rough terms, where the source material came from. In the case of music, scene rules for MP3s 19.1 and 19.2 state the following:

19. Scans/Photos
1. All releases from physical sources must always include proof.

2. Proof means a good quality scan or photo of the physical medium together with the cover or a booklet page so the proof can be identified as the release in question. If the medium or cover/booklet contain anything that may expose your identity, then that part of the image can be blurred or blackened. Additional scans may be added but these DO NOT count as sufficient proof!

Of course, promos tend not to have the full artwork. Ninja refers to the CDs going out with “paper PR sheets accompanying them inside the cardboard sleeves”.

But there are other reasons for not having proof of source, reasons that could add credibility to Backspin’s claims.

Scene groups often stand accused of “stealing” releases from “lesser” groups on P2P networks, private BitTorrent trackers for example. Scene groups sometimes try to hide that they got the material from a public file-sharing source but then they suffer the “No.proof.provided” nuke, just as homeboyZ have.

So, for Backspin’s claims of earlier leaks to have credibility, homeboyZ must have “stolen” the releases from non-Scene sources. That said, TorrentFreak has looked for releases of both albums which pre-date the Scene releases and we can’t find them. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that they don’t exist – the Internet is a very big place.

While Ninja appear to be certain that Backspin are responsible for the leak, making accusations like these in public are very rare, and very risky.

A Scene source told TorrentFreak that they have many ways of gaining access to promo material, including paying off delivery drivers to take copies of CDs and even persuading office cleaners to do the same.

In this instance the presence of a watermark is a bit like a residential IP address. You know where you sent the CD, and you know which household an IP is assigned to. But what happened behind those doors to create the infringement is anyone’s guess. Wifi hacked? CD quietly copied?

Perhaps we’ll never know. Ninja Tunes, it seems, don’t really care.

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  • http://twitter.com/uJonesing Utah Jones

    Nice. How does the MPAA/RIAA expect to control the flow of information on the internet when they can’t even control the flow of their products out of their own office?

    • anon

      Are you a n00b? All the ‘leaks’ you hear about have always and I mean ALWAYS been coming from them. Anyone with even a little bit of a shred of experience in the publishing industries knows this.
      Benn happening since the 70′s

    • anon

      Are you a n00b? All the ‘leaks’ you hear about have always and I mean ALWAYS been coming from them. Anyone with even a little bit of a shred of experience in the publishing industries knows this.
      Benn happening since the 70′s

  • Acce

    Is it possible to delete watermarks? (If you can find them?)

    • Ryzzo

      Anything is possible with the right equipment, knowledge, and time.

      • Fungus

        yes, but does it make this album sound better ?? NO! its an overrated piece of JUNK!
        the story is cool though…

    • omg

      yeah they even invented a word for that : reverse engineering !

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Certainly. A simple conversion or cleanup will show them. A watermark is after all a string of code meant to be visible under the proper circumstances. Which means it more or less has to stand out sufficiently from the rest of the code.

      The simplest way would to simply run a comparison check between a watermarked and nonwatermarked version of a work and spot the differences. After that you already know where to look for the watermark in the next material you convert or clean.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        Wouldn’t they change this watermark on a regular basis? Could you detect such thing without having a non watermarked version?

        • Mike

          They always stand out pointless technology already ways are being found to mitigate them.

  • MAFIAAFire

    Its really quite obvious…
    Since the dates dont match, it means time travel was involved.
    Since time travel is not really possible that means magic was involved.

    Since there is only one place where a CEO claims things work with magic, and he bundles magic with each of your purchases… it means:
    Someone used an Apple product to time travel, get those CDs and… make this paradox.

    Thats why we dont use Apple products when we create our plugins, magic has some unpredictable results.

    Also why we will never create a plugin for Safari.

    :D

    • http://tinyurl.com/niceskirt-srsly w3ts1ut

      Labels will have more luck successfully building a time machine than they will preventing data leaks or file sharing. XD

      • MAFIAAFire

        How can you say that when they are obviously having so much success suing 15 year olds, grannies, the sick, single parents, the elderly, printers and even the dead???!??

        You and I _must_ be wrong.

        /sarcasm

        • http://tinyurl.com/niceskirt-srsly w3ts1ut

          Sad world man, sad world.

          MAFIAA and supporters of current copyright regimes are like spoiled children at a party, blindfolded and swinging bats everywhere trying to get more candy but hitting everyone in the process ;)

        • MAFIAAFire

          Good description, because when we hit them back they are blindfolded and dont know who did it ;)

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      I beg to differ.

      “…that means magic was involved.”

      The proper definition of what is involved is “Smoke and mirrors”. Presented with some obfuscation as a side salad and lightly garnished with flat-out lies.

      :)

  • jUnkiEwiDow

    I dont get this….If the releases are disallowed, why did the music play just fine? What exactly does disallowed mean?

    • Danny

      The scene are a bunch of fags.
      Any reason to nuke and they do, there are far more nukers than releasers!
      They get points for nuking first!

      • Danny is a fag

        Cool story bro

      • Anonymous

        I think they need to adjust their rules for promo CDs. Not much can be shown if no artwork beyond identifying marks.

    • Josh C

      They didn’t prove that they ripped the CDs, therefore, the release was not allowed because it could be “bad” (as in,anything not Scene related)

  • http://www.facebook.com/wiredcivicex Clayton Johnson

    If I were the DJ’s from cold cut I’d be upset too. Cold Cut hasn’t released anything worth a crap since the mid 90′s. They are probably broke. If they can’t prove it was purposely leaked I’d sue the crap out of them for defamation of character.

    I hope these two morons lose their record label due to not being able to fund it. They deserve nothing less. The last CD I actually liked only had 2 songs that I really liked. The rest of it was only ok. Way to suck it up some more cold cut.

    • Nobody

      buddy, nodody care about your opinion. suck it up, you’re gonna be okay

    • http://zombo.com zarathustra

      Check out ‘Let Us Play’ by the fucking amazing ‘Coldcut’ – Ninja Tune’s finest hour.

      WICKED BEATS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/wiredcivicex Clayton Johnson

    If I were the DJ’s from cold cut I’d be upset too. Cold Cut hasn’t released anything worth a crap since the mid 90′s. They are probably broke. If they can’t prove it was purposely leaked I’d sue the crap out of them for defamation of character.

    I hope these two morons lose their record label due to not being able to fund it. They deserve nothing less. The last CD I actually liked only had 2 songs that I really liked. The rest of it was only ok. Way to suck it up some more cold cut.

  • http://www.facebook.com/wiredcivicex Clayton Johnson

    Nuked doesn’t mean disallowed. Just means someone didn’t properly document the release. The music may play fine, but no one can tell if the music is real, or some fake crap someone uploaded.

  • http://www.facebook.com/wiredcivicex Clayton Johnson

    Nuked doesn’t mean disallowed. Just means someone didn’t properly document the release. The music may play fine, but no one can tell if the music is real, or some fake crap someone uploaded.

    • jUnkiEwiDow

      The article says “The vast majority of them are ‘nuked’, which in layman’s terms means that the piracy scene found something wrong with them and disallowed the release” Is that an incorrect statement?

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        Yes and no. It means, like Clayton has it above, that the “release” doesn’t come with the “official” seal of approval. I.e. no one from the scene is willing to stage his online rep on the veracity of the music.

        A bit like saying “Well, we got this in our hands, it’s been distributed, but we’d just like to say we aren’t going out on a limb saying that this is actually the bona fide album it’s presented as…”

        • jUnkiEwiDow

          Thanks for clarifying that for me :)

  • Pride

    Hm. Interesting. Sounds like an issue for the courts. If Ninja Tunes can prove that the magazine leaked, then they should sue. If not, then it’s up to the magazine to decide
    if they want to sue for defamation.

    I don’t think there’s much else to say. We don’t have enough information to say where fault really lies here.

  • StevO

    Ninja Tunes ??? Sounds stupid and probably is. Another failed release of a failed group on a failing label. Even free is a rip-off.

    • Nobody

      on the contrary, success is all Ninja has been about for almost 22 years now… how old are you!?

      • Ven

        It’s just easier for some people to decide music sucks based on the name of the label releasing it.

    • http://zombo.com zarathustra

      Got clue?

      Nah…

  • Mya Thowaway

    Ninja Tune is smart to stop servicing Backspin and others will probably follow. There was clearly a problem with the supply chain for the promos. It now appears that Backspin didn’t protect their materials and that someone untrustworthy got access to their “to listen” pile. This would be much worse than one journalist messing up. And defending themselves by saying it’s “illogical” for journalists to leak the music they’ve been provided is an attempt to cloud the issue. Record leaks generally happen when unauthorized people get access, since they don’t have to worry about destroying their careers. From Backspin’s initial statement, the only followup they’re interested in is baseless litigation threats. If BS actually believed that they were not at fault, they would have expressed a determination to figure out why the leaks had their watermark. Lastly, Ninja Tune did not make any allegations, but simply stated the sequence of events and their very professional and logical response to them. I would’ve considered that the leak happened before BS got the promos if it hadn’t been for their arrogant press statement.

    I think the journalist looks innocent, but Backspin looks guilty. The moral of the story is to never open someone else’s mail…even when they work for you.

    • Ryzzo

      I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the label’s publicist who leaked them and isn’t admitting to it because of how the label over reacted. I wasn’t able to locate the number of units sold of his last album, but Toddla T has by no means a mainstream audience. It would make perfect sense to leak the album to drum up some publicity and expand the market for the release hopefully generating additional sales other than the niche market that would probably still buy it leaked or not.

      • Nobody

        Go home noob, success in business is not in your future!

      • Ven

        Label’s won’t stick their necks out and go to war against music magazines for an artist. Burning bridges to help a single release is not smart business.

        • Josh C

          Never heard of “any publicity is good publicity” :D /sarcasm

  • LEGION Marked Of Kane

    Naah, this is nothing. Here in India, the goverment has started censorship of cyberlockers. Imagine, a whole country without access to many file host.

    Also, the irony is that the blockade is not proper. its implemented in some ISP’s but not in some. Also some hosts are still working while others are not.

  • Anonymous

    “Backspin also claim that there was a prior leak of both albums but the link they refer to is a fake, and leads only to a series of online data collection adverts and surveys,” say Ninja, refuting the claim.

    Is this another case of someone seeing a “100% verified (your search term here) download” link, and actually believing it? Because that’s always hilarious.

    • Busterbrown7077

      I’d bet a few that this is exactly what they saw. Had to explain to me partner the other day that those are fake. You could type any random fuckin word in there and you’d still have at least 4 “sponsored links” saying that they totally have it.

  • mario’s anonymus step cousin

    Time travel,just like in that movie with the guy speaking trough a radio with his future self,but now with a back to the future internet connection sharing mp3s that are not even released yet.I always wondered, if it would really happen,I mean would they even start doing the movie that is already leaked on the internet?

  • Anonymous

    These days if your not pirated you are a nobody. So do they want to be pirated or someone that nobody cares about?

    It seems to me that the first option makes more profit than the second.

    So quit the moaning and try to figure out how to profit from it. Strangely enough such an argument can get people to listen just to see what all the fuss is about. Turning it into a court case would be even more advertising.

    We live in a strange world.

    • jUnkiEwiDow

      No such thing as bad publicity.

      • Anonymous

        Yes you can even begin to wonder if Ninja Tune(s) released these two albums themselves.

        • Ven

          Labels won’t attack music magazines (part of their advertising circle of influence) over it.

    • Nobody

      **Exceeding the expectations of a smaller audience that keeps them coming back day after day as loyal supporters is where the money is at** I know what it’s like to work everyday & do it with passion! Fact is, you get what you pay for & these beats aint for free! That means all the people who didn’t pay are stealing & if there’s one thing we can all agree on it’s hatred for a thief!

      • Anonymous

        Then I recall that Rebecca Black (think Friday) has just released her second song proving you don’t have to be good to be popular. Also being popular is where the money is at when her iTunes sales have been going very well. She keeps this up she may actually make an album.

        I would point out that copying is neither technically nor legally stealing but I am quite sure you would not listen. I would prefer to see it more as promotion or advertising when the people who do enjoy what they discover would still want to buy.

        In this modern world I cannot recommend artists to sell music. They should instead be selling an experience where any album sales income would be a bonus.

        Like who these days have not downloaded a few thousand MP3s?

        • Andrew Foster

          Wow. So just because everyone’s done it. Really. So what do you do for a living?

          Tell me why, in your honest opinion, artists who spend weeks, months and years on their releases drop their pants, bend over, lose any professional entitlement, give away all their labour for free in the hope that someone might throw them a “bonus” for the “experience” they’ve provided?

        • Ven

          I’m going to argue that Rebecca Black, like all artists, is good in her own way. You and I may not like her artistic style, but it still gets defined as art. You place yourself on a very slippery slope when you decide that individuals should be allowed to judge the validity of other people’s works.

          Copying for non-personal use is a violation of the copyright holder’s distribution rights here in the United States. We can argue the validity and constitutionality of such laws all day, but until they are struck down they are the law. And if you want to share your creations with people using sharing as promotion and advertising, you are free to do so.

          I am a composer. I, like many other people, prefer orchestrated works of demonstrated skill over shitty pop shows where people get on stage and do almost everything except perform music like a skilled musician. There is no performance market for us, no way to break into doing shows. I’ve also played in rock bands, and I can tell you now that the money made at performances is drying up. Too many acts, not even venues. Most of the good starter venues around here either charge the band to play, or force the band to toss a cover charge on the show (which kills when you consider that for 5-10 more dollars a person could get tickets to see most big venue shows).

          It’s an extremely narrow view to think that all music can be marketed as a service, and should be done so simply because selling music in a world full of file-sharers is stupid.

          “Like who these days have not downloaded a few thousand MP3s?”

          And several hundred years ago, who didn’t have slaves? It was the cool thing to do. That didn’t make it right, but golly if we didn’t all try and get us some slaves anyway. Eventually the President led a change that was so unpopular the USA experienced more deaths than they had in any other war except WW2.

          If you have a problem with the law, you should be fighting the law not the labels, and not the artists.

    • Ven

      I’m sorry, but in this case I have to disagree. An artist teamed up with a label and went to work executing a business plan, one that included drumming up interest by sending demos to magazines and other venues. This is a deviation from their plan, and these kinds of decisions should be the rights holder’s prerogative to make.

      If they want to control distribution and miss out on all the magical benefits of letting people share their music, that is their call. When someone else makes that decision for them, before they get a chance to share their works with the world, there should be consequences.

  • http://profiles.google.com/statueofmike Michael S

    All Ninja Tunes does is hype and distribute as much music as they can. It’s a stupid business to be in in the first place.

    Conditioning by the label’s marketing is probably the only reason anyone buys these albums. They are bought on impulse, because of a lack of complete information about the product. If the fans of Toddla T and Thundercat actually gave a shit about that music, they’d be paying for merchandise or live shows anyway. A compact disc is merchandise just like a framed LP is merchandise.

    The label is a waste of space. The musicians are a waste of time if they can’t get anywhere without their label.

    • Nobody

      Michael S needs to read up on both the label and the artist. He has no clue what he’s talking about, needs to take his opinion & figure out whether its best to stick it or shove it

    • Disqus

      And how many people will come to see their live act, actually? How many will buy T-shirt or chopping board with built in loop from their newest album? How many times they will play live? It all cost money. What is wrong with artists who wish to publish their work on CD or vinyl only and earn?

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        “What is wrong with artists who wish to publish their work on CD or vinyl only and earn?”

        Lack of realism in the same way a carpenter lacks realism if he intends to charge everyone who sits in a chair he once built. It’s something he can do only for as long as he retains the control over the chair itself. If he’s sold it he no longer has control of who sits in the chair or how many. Even less so if someone copies his design for at-home use.

        To retain control over information the minimum requirement is that you don’t distribute it. Once you do, copies will proliferate with no control possible by any agency.

        This is not to say artists can not sell CD’s. Trent Reznor did exactly that with a record he’d already distributed for free and claimed a million sales in a year. Going down that road means the artist in question needs a rabid fan base with a personal attachment with his fans. Which in turn means the artist will have to tour.

        If you, as an artist, want to sell records then you’ll have to get used to the idea that the record sale is a fall-back option tacked on top of the main revenues. An optional extra which only works if you’re already known and loved.

        • Ven

          So should DRM measures ever be taken to ensure that piracy is no longer practical, you are all for the continued sale of music?

          As for Trent: you hand me 15 Grammys and buy 150 million of my albums, and I would gladly give away music the rest of my life. I could also sell super special editions of my records that cost over $1000 dollars, because I had a sea of fans who have worshiped me for decades. Of course, no up-and-coming artist could ever hope to do the same thing right out of the gate, but it’s not like Trent didn’t do it from the get-go…

          … Oh wait, he was labeled, publicized, distributed, and sold of years before doing his own thing.

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  • Nobody

    Just in, “Coldcut has stepped up to the plate & is forcing results, others soon to follow!”

    I’ve been tuning in since the start of the 20th century, if you don’t like Ninja Tune you’re in the wrong place. The label has been around since 1990 & Coldcut has been making beats since the late 80′s ( primitive digital technology!? ) It’s safe to say that Ninja isn’t going anywhere except forward, bringing with them the best of electronic beats said to be, “The Future of Sound” these guys are ‘ THE ‘ true pioneers!

    We’ve all heard this before…

    “It would make perfect sense to leak the album to drum up some publicity and expand the market for the release hopefully generating additional sales other than the niche market that would probably still buy it leaked or not.”

    This statement just pisses me right off… **Exceeding the expectations of a smaller audience that keeps them coming back day after day as loyal supporters is where the money is at** I know what it’s like to work everyday & do it with passion! Fact is, you get what you pay for & these beats aint for free! That means all the people who didn’t pay are stealing & if there’s one thing we can all agree on it’s hatred for a thief!

    Let’s get to the point, ‘break it down’ shall we? Ninja Tune said…

    “The audio leaked was without doubt that contained on the CD mailed to Benjamin Jager, and that disc was undoubtedly in the Backspin offices prior to the leak.”

    !~BAM CASE CLOSED~!

    Ninja Tune is doing the honest thing by protecting the rights entitled to the label / artists & other producers ‘ ARE ‘ taking notes! The Masters of Zen have been raising the bar since day one so not to worry my fellow fans, rest assured they’ll be hosting your next big party!

    **When Ninja Tune called for the early release of Toddla T’s Watch Me Dance I happily bought it in a hurry & shortly after listening ‘encouraged my friends to do the same.’ We’re glad we did, especially after reading about this web of shit!**

  • Nobody

    Just in, “Coldcut has stepped up to the plate & is forcing results, others soon to follow!”

    I’ve been tuning in since the start of the 20th century, if you don’t like Ninja Tune you’re in the wrong place. The label has been around since 1990 & Coldcut has been making beats since the late 80′s ( primitive digital technology!? ) It’s safe to say that Ninja isn’t going anywhere except forward, bringing with them the best of electronic beats said to be, “The Future of Sound” these guys are ‘ THE ‘ true pioneers!

    We’ve all heard this before…

    “It would make perfect sense to leak the album to drum up some publicity and expand the market for the release hopefully generating additional sales other than the niche market that would probably still buy it leaked or not.”

    This statement just pisses me right off… **Exceeding the expectations of a smaller audience that keeps them coming back day after day as loyal supporters is where the money is at** I know what it’s like to work everyday & do it with passion! Fact is, you get what you pay for & these beats aint for free! That means all the people who didn’t pay are stealing & if there’s one thing we can all agree on it’s hatred for a thief!

    Let’s get to the point, ‘break it down’ shall we? Ninja Tune said…

    “The audio leaked was without doubt that contained on the CD mailed to Benjamin Jager, and that disc was undoubtedly in the Backspin offices prior to the leak.”

    !~BAM CASE CLOSED~!

    Ninja Tune is doing the honest thing by protecting the rights entitled to the label / artists & other producers ‘ ARE ‘ taking notes! The Masters of Zen have been raising the bar since day one so not to worry my fellow fans, rest assured they’ll be hosting your next big party!

    **When Ninja Tune called for the early release of Toddla T’s Watch Me Dance I happily bought it in a hurry & shortly after listening ‘encouraged my friends to do the same.’ We’re glad we did, especially after reading about this web of shit!**

    • anoniii

      Blatant advertisement, and shill. Wont be trying nor buying your bullshit, good sir.

      • Nobody

        no bullshit included only facts & a fan, fool.

    • Anonymous

      “The audio leaked was without doubt that contained on the CD mailed to Benjamin Jager, and that disc was undoubtedly in the Backspin offices prior to the leak.”

      !~BAM CASE CLOSED~!

      I would call that tunnel vision. The most likely explanation is not the only explanation.

      Who had these promo CDs….

      1. Ninja Tune themselves
      2. The Postal Service
      3. Backspin Magazine
      4. Any 3rd party who handled them there.

      So where is the BAM? What Ninja Tune should do is to contact other record labels and to find out if any of their albums leaked while at Backspin. Statistical evidence is a whole lot better than “you did it. no I did not” disputes.

      • Nobody

        did you even read the quote? take an english class, then let your balls drop 8O

        • Donotreply

          ‘did you even read the quote?’

          Until proven in a court room the quote in question is only an allegation.

          ‘take an english class, then let your balls drop 8O ‘

          Take an English class, then let your balls drop.

          Fixed that for you.

    • Twa Brigs

      The questions no one is asking are these:

      * Why is Ninja Tunes pressing CDs?
      * Why is Ninja Tunes sending CDs to ‘journalists’ writing in magazines?
      * Why is Ninja Tunes still doing the PR / advance physical promo game that has been going for generations?
      * Why is Ninja Tunes Ninja Tunes label even running at all?

      This is the 21st century boys; the age of releasing promos, old style record labels, music journalists, ‘advance copies’ and all that other garbage is totally over.

      Ninja Tunes is a dinosaur media operation, simulating the buggy whip music industry business model, parroting their nonsense about copyright. They obviously have no imagination, no software skills, no insight and are intellectually, morally and technically unprepared for the glorious future we now find ourselves in.

      • Hayden

        Hmmm I think your point is ridiculous. Ninja Tune is probably one of the most succesful and profitable independent music labels in the UK, maybe even the world.

        They produce cutting edge really good music, all their artists are down to earth and nice guys, they treat their interns well and provide jobs for them unlike many indepents who will have an intern work for almost a year unpaid and then give a job to one of their friends instead.

        The idea that know one services physical demos anymore is soooo stupid! Everyone services physical demos as well as digital demos. Why do you think in the BBC every two desks they have massive recycle bins for CD’s?

        Not doing physical demos = no plays on radio = no artist exposure.

        Cheers.

        • Ven

          IIRC Disney is the most successful independent music label in the world.

          Most people just assume it’s one of the puppet masters.

      • Nobody

        i could take the time to answer each of your dumb questions, fact is none of them are relevant. Go home

      • http://zombo.com zarathustra

        D’oh!

        /facepalm

    • Josh C

      The only thing a leak will do is make people either want to buy the CD (if they wouldn’t have before) or not want to go anywhere near anything release by Ninja Tunes.

    • gae

      You think a leak does not generate extra publicity? I had never heard of ninja or any of these artists until today, but thanks to a leak now I have!

      I don’t know what their music sounds like yet but if I wanted to find out there is a good chance I will prefer to download the leak than pay money for something I may not enjoy.
      But then who knows, if I like the stuff I would certainly consider buying in the future. If I do not enjoy then none of us have gained or lost anything.
      Of course if I became a fan but still refused to pay anything then that would make me an asshole.

      • Nobody

        a.) I don’t believe you.
        b.) It’s possible to listen before you buy @ the website
        c.) You’re an asshole ~`;D

      • Nobody

        a.) I don’t believe you.
        b.) It’s possible to listen before you buy @ the website
        c.) You’re an asshole ~`;D

  • Maremie

    http://www.itworld.com/software/185075/u2s-manager-proclaims-end-free-downloads

    fuck you u2. your band sucks ass and no its not theft so suck it.

  • http://www.twitter.com/Spartz Bas Grasmayer

    It’s not Ninja… It’s Ninja Tune ;-)

  • http://www.twitter.com/Spartz Bas Grasmayer

    It’s not Ninja… It’s Ninja Tune ;-)

  • Disqus

    Ninja Tune under ‘protection’ of RIAA or MAFIAA? Underground just stopped to be underground

  • Loki

    The World has come to a leak…

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  • Anonymous

    OK thats actually kinda crazy when you think about it. Wow.

    http://www.net-privacy.us.tc

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  • Cabbagehead

    hey ninja kids, what time is it?
    stop that crazy thing…..

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  • Ninjafake

    Ninja Tune, a label who appear hypocrites when you look at some of their releases they put out AND sell on their web site, releases that blatantly infringe copyright e.g.:
    http://www.discogs.com/Various-No-Rights-Given-Or-Implied-The-Original-Samplers/release/8222

  • Notunes

    Yeah, Ninja Tune released ad also sell this DVD, full of radio shows, illegal to sell, right? Hypocrites!!

  • Notunes

    Sorry, forgot link: http://bit.ly/fcAZ2h

  • Mike

    This is probably deliberate they are loosing money badly going bankrupt and got the idea about the porno guys getting their stuff shared so they can make from legal action over the actual product.

    • Illiterate Ameritard

      Is that the opposite of ‘tightening’ their money?

      Illiterate Ameritard…

  • Bosshog

    i’d say there’s a whole lot of unceared samples in coldcut’s tracks…

    ninja tune is a top notch label and for it to run for over twenty years is an achievement in itself but i’m surprised they’re reacting to a leak like this.
    they know the score as well as anyone else.
    leaks are always gonna happen.

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