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Newzbin Resurrection: Interview With The Mysterious Mr White

As the Newzbin resurrection saga continues, the boss of Team R Dogs has been answering a whole range of questions about the site’s return. More than $40,000 has been invested in the project so far, a coder hired and they aren’t scared of the MPA either. “We’ll just do a Pirate Bay on them,” they say. “We can run faster than them and shapeshift.”

newzbinLast week a group calling themselves Team R Dogs contacted ex-members of Newzbin with a message claiming that they would soon bring back the site.

That news was quickly followed by the revelation from an ex-director of Newzbin that the site’s domain names had been sold to a Seychelles-based company in order to clear debts. A couple of days ago the company, WCIS Limited, told TorrentFreak they did not wish to tell us about their intentions for the domains.

Run by an ex-Newzbin editor, the DeepSharer blog has now managed to secure an interview with Team R Dogs boss Mr White. Here are the main points, plus those from the later Q & A.

After reiterating that they are nothing to do with the original Newzbin staff, Mr White said that since they already had the Newzbin code, bringing the site back after their legal problems was just the opportune thing to do.

At least to begin, the site will be a “straight clone” of the old site, but a redesign is on the agenda. This process could carried out with the help of users who could be asked to vote on the inclusion of new features. There is even talk of adding non-Usenet search features such as BitTorrent and Rapidshare. And the porn will return on Newzxxx too.

As for retention, the aim is to reach at least 400 days as soon as possible and then move to 600+ days within 9 months from launch.

So will ex-users of Newzbin return to the site? Team R Dogs certainly hope so as they say the whole thing is costing a fortune and quite frankly, they need the money.

“I have personally signed cheques for an $22,000 Sun server and 2 x $9,000 Sun servers to help run this site and I expect to sign more. I have hired a fulltime coder on good salary, I am recruiting another expensive geek to keep the site up,” explains Mr White.

Although the site will probably launch for free for a week or two, the site will revert to a pay venue.

“Let me be clear. We have a profit motive in this. We haven’t tried to ‘steal’ from Newzbin1 guys – they got shutdown by the MPA, not by us. The MPA have given us an opportunity to make money. Thanks MPA,” he continues.

“Does this mean we intend to shit on users & ex-Newzbin1 members? Fuck no. We want to provide a good service and take the same profits the Newzbin1 guys did. Yea sure we are using their works to do so but they have abandoned their works and they have SAID so themselves. There is no moral ambiguity here: they have dropped out of the scene and we are replacing them.”

Part of the support for ex-members will be the continuation of any credit they had on the site, although how far back that will go will remain to be seen. For those adding new credit, a 3rd party payment system will be used.

But let’s not forget about the fate of Newzbin at the hands of the MPA – how will Team R Dogs fend off that inevitable attack?

“We’ll just do a Piratebay on them,” they say. “We can run faster than them and shapeshift.”

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  • Mr White

    Very nice article if I say so myself.

  • Anon

    meh well see

  • 555

    Hope they never surrender to the MPAA

  • Anon

    lol ppl pay for things on the internet…

  • Anonymous

    Piratebay becoming a verb.

    Feels good man.

  • Hans pandacunt

    where there is money there are fools that’ll part with it.

  • dfdf

    skeptical very skeptical

  • SomeGuy

    This is obviously a honeypot by the MPAA and the feds.

    Steer clear of Newzbin2 and Team R Dogs, IMO.

  • shinratdr

    > As the Newzbin resurrection sage continues

    Did you mean “saga” or were you trying to make some kind of 4chan reference?

  • neostyles

    “We can run faster than them and shapeshift.”

    Not if they throw you in jail.

  • ThatsGold

    @4 Exactly what i was thinking… Its sort of like the “streisand” effect

  • Thal

    Money will push people to move somewhere else, that will become a place where you have to pay and they will move again.
    I rather having a nicely made website with advertising than a website where I have to pay.

    You pay for your usenet provider, then the usenet website, what’s the next step ?

  • Cordelia

    Haha good luck to them… My guess is these guys all know each other. Did not myself use Newzbin but I love to see MPAA f:d over so I might pay them a visit or even sign up.

  • mpaa

    FCUK – I don’t udnerstand why you leechers won’t just pay for your doggam videos and tunes already!! How many times we gotta jack-boot ya’s till you get it? Stop it with the stealing already!

  • Ryan

    I’m always a bit weary of someone whose response to “What if?” scenarios is “We’ll just xxxxxx”

    Here’s hoping for the best though.

  • cdcase

    how are they going to pull a pirate bay all mpaa has to do is cut off the payment vendor

  • cdcase

    how are they going to pull a pirate bay all mpaa has to do is cut off the payment vendor

  • Ted Bundy

    More than $40.000 has been invested my ass.

  • loiuse

    “Part of the support for ex-members will be the continuation of any credit they had on the site …”

    they got the latest database too?

  • Anonymous

    @48 by neostyles

    ” “We can run faster than them and shapeshift.”

    “Not if they throw you in jail.”"

    Good luck with that.

  • Drake

    Hmmm… I could be wrong but this groups seems familiar to me. I used to play an online game and there was a rogue clan called Reservoir Dogs (better known as RD in that game’s community). They were quite notorious and their leader was Mr. Teal. I wonder if there’s a connection. :)

  • Editor

    Smells fishy…

  • m3

    ok to run a website doesn’t cost that much. If they are an indexer (no actual content is stored on server but links) content is on usenet server like torrent content is on bittorrent but a torrent is a link to the files (map) then the stuff about retention is? (As for retention, the aim is to reach at least 400 days as soon as possible and then move to 600+ days within 9 months from launch.) Now if they were a content provider (ie giganews, astraweb) etc and actually hosting the content, then I see where the retention comes in but atm, I don’t understand how they can offer retention for stuff thats not on their servers you can always point to links (I have many torrent files that are not avalable anymore but the “map” goes to the file and tries to download it like it was(only links on their servers from what I gather)Now an index is not that much as in size (depending on how made) as at one time I had the whole pirate bay site (torrent files + comments) on like 30 gigs. Now traffic going to the site is different. If you have 1 million people (example) going to the site, bandwidth may be an issue but you can always change providers/get more bandwidth etc, so the deal about $40,000 and all is questionable. Let me put it this way. I could rip a whole website (all) and repost it on another site (including some bandwidth) for under $100 per year so the $40,000 stuff is very strange. Now I do have to say that this is doing it myself and not hiring someone to do it but if you need to hire someone to do it, it still wouldn’t be that much. Seriously if you invested $40,000 in the project, something is wrong unless you are hosting the content (example uploading .com servers) which then maybe it would be justifiable. Now I did look and they had a client (Release Name: NewsBin.Pro**
    Size: 3.40MB) but upload it to mega/etc and then they don’t host it anymore so no problem with bandwidth there for a program that from what I read is just a searching tool.

    “NewsBin is a multithreaded news robot that automatically downloads and decodes binary posts to Usenet newsgroups. The program will take full advantage of high-bandwidth Internet connections by allowing multiple, simultaneous connections to your news server or servers. NewsBin includes resume capabilities to recover from lost connections. It reassembles multi-part posts across multiple servers and includes a thumbnail view when downloading images. Other features include Internet and Local search, built in RAR file processing, SSL Support, NZB message ID file support, and advanced connection management.

    Um, I can use emule and download like 100 files at a time with no problem (not as fast as newsgroups but still)or if I rent a seedbox I can download/upload 100 files at the same time so I don’t really know why $40,000 is invested for a bot that can automatically crawl and download to an individuals computer but maybe I don’t get it. From what I gather though its like an index (tpb) + a downloader program to search/autograb content but I could be wrong. Will someone with more knowledge fill me in plz as to what/why they invested 40,000 in an index (besides having a already made brand name)(probably already linked to alot already/backlinks)etc. Ok! I’m tired of typing so I will stop here.

  • Harry Muff

    Mr White sounds like a bit of a tit, to be honest

  • Anonymous

    Paying for piracy always has been, and always will be, a laughable notion to me.

    If I may wag my finger those that charge to pirate should be ashamed. Robin Hood did not steal from the rich and sell to the poor!

  • GrX

    @mpaa when you stop with the different prices world wide when you stop with the DRM and removing fairuse rights and giving us back format shifting without having to jump though hoops to make backups of our purchases.

    when you stop with the limited installs when you stop with the mandatory firmware upgrades to play your stupid movies…

    oh, and when you actually start to sell your content that works on devices i own… and here’s the kicker

    when you actually start selling stuff at a fair and reasonable price.

    enough said?? good.

  • jumping ship

    ^^ sheesh start your own blog man.

  • Anonymous

    #4 said it all.. lol

  • dfdf

    when sites are shut down often they open back by the Feds to get a inside look ,
    U people do know that rite

    they do that with big carders forums in the past, they shut the big one down, and do surveillance
    =========

  • pirate bill

    Entertaining stuff…

    I just wonder who will be the one that gets his ears cut off.

  • Reggit

    All this reminds me of the epic fail that is the war on drugs.

    As long as there is demand, there will always be money to be made, take one network down, and another will spring up to take its place…why? Like i say, there is money to be made, and money is one hell of a motivator!

    Now, there are some problems wih illegal drug dealers, unlike say – buying a legal drug like alcohol, dealers wont check id, and the only way to solve disputes in an illegal medium is violence. Drugs, like filesharing, wont go away just because its been declared illegal – infact this is likely to drive potential profit margins up and attract more people to try and make money illegally. Id prefer to get my files and drugs legally, direct from the government…but if they dont want my money, there are plenty of others who do, and im just glad i have to freedom to do what i like – whether thats putting illegal substances into MY body, or downloading illegal files to MY computer.

    When you criminalise something that shouldnt be illegal – you still create real criminals.

    Good luck Newzbin, i hope you make tons of money! …But i also hope the MPAA realise they cannot win this battle, they have to embrace the pirates and new technology to create something better than what already exists—-otherwise, whats the point?

  • ROFL

    @30 nicely said!

    well, perhaps they have there systematic right to be there, charging money for things illegalized, perhpas they’ll also change something by beeing real dealerz kind of, not the robin hood you can’t really grab by means of solicitor..

    gn8

  • inviteforumfag

    ghey

  • still no Netflix in Canada

    I’d be very interested to be able to rent movies for 6-12h for just 1-2$ on Itunes and equivalent.
    Or even better, get a subscription like Netflix but for movies.
    (BTW still no Netflix for Xbox 360 in Canada).
    The fact that Itunes is doing it at 5$ a day for a computer file is a total rip off. There is no physical disc to print, buy, store and maintain. The price should be lowered, but instead they kept the same price than for a physical rentals shop and are trying to maximize their margein.

  • Gavin

    I’ve downloaded suff from newsgroups, and I’ve seen this Group with there name on the files quite a few times.

  • m3

    @26, I am going to do that so thanks for the encouragement

  • Ire

    It is piratebay crew who is charge of new newzbin.

  • tracert

    freak is once again pissing in the pool by fronting criminal software pirates as filesharers

    nobody gives a fuk about newzbinz, let them rot in jail

    freak should stop the pretence that they are pro-filesharing. all this pro-criminal blogging is sick

  • mister_playboy

    They are spending $40K on hardware from a now-defunct vendor (Sun)? I’m not too confident of their gameplan…

  • Fugasmic

    I was very disappointed when I seen the kind of profits NB1 were making. At the time I was under the general belief that they were recouping costs, so even if NB1 had of made a comeback I wouldn’t have used them anymore than I will use NB2. So quite frankly I couldn’t give a flying f**k whether they are back or not or who runs it.

  • ali3nx

    sounds like an mafiaa attempt to fool lots of users into using a mafiaa owned website for the purpose of collecting data on users to sue people…

  • lol

    Its like a world without terrorist US u can attack or wipe out a country but they are all over the world even on your own soil….its a war that will go on for decades….a war against everyone that disagree’s with you, Im against terrorist’s but just using that as a example

  • Heli

    Simply allow Netflix/Amazon/Blockbuster to stream new releases in HD and I’m done filesharing. That wont happen though. They are afraid they will miss a dollar or two if they allow that to happen. Also, why does it cost more to download and burn my own DVD from Blockbuster than it does to buy the retail DVD. Mafiaa figure it out already.

  • Doink

    A pay site. Fail

    LOL

  • john john

    tf please let my comment be posted as its very informational (Your response is awaiting moderation.) just said

  • ccc

    what an idiot

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  • TardSPNAKer

    23 “m3″

    You’re clueless regarding Usenet. I’m happy that tits like you know less than little about it – keep on using your eMule, you e-assclown.

    HTH

  • Pirate & Proud

    I would never pay to use a service like this. The whole point of sharing is the fact it is free.

    A vpn is a much better option because not only does it provide you with the cover from the maffia but it also keeps the wathcers from watching.

  • VuzeBloat

    nzbs.org + binsearch.info is all i need!

  • Gargamel

    At least you c0cksuckers admit up front your b!tches profiting from filesharing.

    Cant wait to see you fall.

  • yeah ok then

    could be a trap to catch everyone also mr whites attitude tells me hes a glory hunter off othere peoples work by trying to make money of other peoples work i wouldent trust this site with your ip or money and i hope you go to jail for being so cocky .if any of you have any sence id stay well clear you could be getting wached connecting to there server paying for cds or paying them whats the differance theres sites thatl give you it all for free

  • Brandon

    A pay site!!! Ha ha ha. Kinda like I have never paid for pussy. Do you think I am going to pay for it now…

  • dncholas

    I’ve been following this story or saga for some time and the entire thing just doesn’t make sense. How do you hack and take a site that is being shutdown and then reopen? Why would you spend $40k+ to do so? If you stole their site why would anyone trust you? If you are hackers then how do you expect anyone to give you their credit card info? If I was a mythbuster I’d say it’s the original owners pretending to be hacked to keep the site going and avoid future prosecution but the alternative and/or claim of that is not a good one.

  • Whatever

    #16 has the most important comment.

    The TPB trick doesn’t work on pay sites as the MAFIAA will go after the money trail and threaten the 3rd party payment system.

    Remember Allofmp3 (hope i remember name right) where VISA stopped transactions to a then LEGAL site in Russia.

    It would be much more usefull for the new crew to explain how they will prevent the MAFIAA from interfering with their payments.

    @offtopic “paying for movies suggestions”…
    It is still a lot in advance for something you don’t know if you’ll like it. In comparison in an unrelated item, it turns out that from a 30+ analog channels for around 15 euros subscription, only 1 EURO! is for the actual content cost. Ofcourse there are commercials but the gap between 30×24 hours TV and 1-2$ for one movie is still huge.

  • Steve

    “Since they didn’t say they would opensource the code I chatted to a couple of mates and we talked about running a site ourselves.”

    Are they Aussies?

  • DogsNOballs

    THIS IS BULLLSHIT thank you.

  • DogsNOballs

    Opening and releasing the code is the ONLY way people are gonna trust this site.

  • Kane

    Good luck team.

  • Uh

    Hey guys, you do know Newzbin was a pay site BEFORE too, right?

  • 2True

    “Although the site will probably launch for free for a week or two, the site will revert to a pay venue.”

    Did I just read that you have to PAY to download things from there?

    It’s gonna fail big times imo.

  • MAFIAA

    lawyers happy

    governments happy

    those unable to do a piratebay unhappy

    those able to do a piratebay unhappy

    MAFIAA happy?

  • Wyse man

    #52 Everyone pays for pussy. Just because you don’t exchange money before or after doesn’t mean you don’t pay!

    On topic, I think that the site will be a money maker like the first one.

  • s

    Pirating intellectual property for profit is a problem with me.

  • qwerty

    Pirating intellectual property for profit is a problem with me

    x2

  • yeah ok then

    by Ire
    It is piratebay crew who is charge of new newzbin

    and how do tou know that you little fibber

  • yeah ok then

    by Wyse man you are a sad little man with a comment like that bet you dont have a woman the only way you can get anything is paying a skin head with bitch t-ts to play the part for you sorry but men like you should get rocks threw at you sicko

  • Ire

    Seychelles-based company owns piratebay and new2bin. 1+1=2.

  • BIOS

    This is awfully cocky of them. Should be a fun and interesting ride though :D

  • Antonymous Cowherd

    Why ‘steal’ music when there’s so much FOS & CC available?

    I think the real threat to the industry is the free music/artist movement. And movies seem to be heading in this direction too. Anyone seen ‘Star Wreck: ITP’?

    Along with the free unrestricted distribution of bit-torrent, this truely poses a great threat to their business model.

    There are plenty of sites out there, but I will only post three here:
    http://scene.org
    http://www.ocremix.org
    http://www.wreckamovie.com

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  • steve

    anyone notice that there newzbin rss feeds are being updated yet the site is still down? very odd…

  • steve

    and newzbin is back online!!!!!!! yes!!!!!

  • Bastuvistan

    Yeah. The Newzbin Greasemonkey Script was also updated:

    http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/38054

  • thejasman

    this would be a whole lot more believable if that guy’s quotes didnt make him sound like a typical scene douchebag.

    doesnt sound like a guy that cuts big checks.

  • taktix

    #23 retention for the indexer is due to the time it takes to index the titles and timestamps of usenet articles. Groups in alt.binaries.* can each contain over 100,000,000 posts. Storing just the titles alone requires TBs of storage, and quite a bit of horsepower to process. There are things you can do to reduce storage requirements, but its still a lot of data.

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