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		<title>By: Tens of millions peers-TorrentFreak &#171; FACT &#8211; Freedom Against Censorship Thailand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tens of millions peers-TorrentFreak &#171; FACT &#8211; Freedom Against Censorship Thailand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brave D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brave D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;The downloading itself is not so much about cost saving. In Australia, BitTorrent is especially popular among those who want to catch up with US television shows that appear months or years later on TV down under. Money is not so much of an issue for them, they simply want to see the latest Lost or Heroes episodes.&#039;&#039;


I think a lot of us feel the same way. Being from the U.K, its always been about seeing shows as soon as possible, until I can buy them on dvd, not about money. The very fact bit torrent works shows the possibilities online. Worrying about licensing issues online is a bit silly, but the way to change this is for content providers to have global licenses instead, then apply per region advertising to each DL country. You&#039;ll find some websites do this when you visit them.

If only Nielsen would track this stuff fairly, and perhaps take online popularity into account, next to regional tv viewing, then maybe less tv shows would be cancelled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;The downloading itself is not so much about cost saving. In Australia, BitTorrent is especially popular among those who want to catch up with US television shows that appear months or years later on TV down under. Money is not so much of an issue for them, they simply want to see the latest Lost or Heroes episodes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think a lot of us feel the same way. Being from the U.K, its always been about seeing shows as soon as possible, until I can buy them on dvd, not about money. The very fact bit torrent works shows the possibilities online. Worrying about licensing issues online is a bit silly, but the way to change this is for content providers to have global licenses instead, then apply per region advertising to each DL country. You&#8217;ll find some websites do this when you visit them.</p>
<p>If only Nielsen would track this stuff fairly, and perhaps take online popularity into account, next to regional tv viewing, then maybe less tv shows would be cancelled.</p>
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		<title>By: Nielsen Hugely Underestimates BitTorrent Traffic &#124; TorrentFreak &#171; FileScoop.Org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nielsen Hugely Underestimates BitTorrent Traffic &#124; TorrentFreak &#171; FileScoop.Org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: booyah</title>
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		<dc:creator>booyah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Aussie here who rarely watches free-to-air TV (except for the occasions where an Aussie-produced show is worth watching) and scoffs at his friends paying for cable yet still can&#039;t get close to the breadth of shows available via P2P...  

lets all take a moment to thank the socially retarded individuals who cap these shows for us!  I hope they&#039;re getting paid somewhere along the line...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Aussie here who rarely watches free-to-air TV (except for the occasions where an Aussie-produced show is worth watching) and scoffs at his friends paying for cable yet still can&#8217;t get close to the breadth of shows available via P2P&#8230;  </p>
<p>lets all take a moment to thank the socially retarded individuals who cap these shows for us!  I hope they&#8217;re getting paid somewhere along the line&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Geek Manual &#187; Link Round-Up: June 3, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Great Geek Manual &#187; Link Round-Up: June 3, 2009</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Rock Band Traffic &#124; Guitar Hero 3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rock Band Traffic &#124; Guitar Hero 3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So, the Australian visitors to Mininova alone are already 600% higher than Nielsen’s estimates of the total traffic to [..]&quot;

Comparing numbers 1,049,000 and 6,268,969 this is wrong. It&#039;s either _500%_ higher than or 600% _of_ Nielsens estimates.

Just FYI. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, the Australian visitors to Mininova alone are already 600% higher than Nielsen’s estimates of the total traffic to [..]&#8221;</p>
<p>Comparing numbers 1,049,000 and 6,268,969 this is wrong. It&#8217;s either _500%_ higher than or 600% _of_ Nielsens estimates.</p>
<p>Just FYI. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I put this in the &#039;No $H1T Sherlock!&#039; catagory. For years I have been going to torrents for my TV shows. Either because:
1 -the show I want to watch does not air in my local (Canada)
2 -They will air it here months later (if not a year - Looking at you BBC), 
3 - I&#039;ve missed it (either I was out, forgot or the network moved it to another time-slot)
4 - I have a life and go out Fridays with Friends. Why put the shows I want to watch on that night? You want them to fail??
5 - I wanted to download the episodes and keep them until the DVD comes out.
6 - Your movie looks like crap and I don&#039;t want to spend $12 (CDN movie price) to find out that surprise it is!! If the movie looks good I will always go with friends and family to watch first.

The networks need to wake up and really see how people are using the internet for their TV fix. Instead of them trying to tell us how we should use it, let us tell them. They must adapt in this new market place, not us. Internet gives us the power not them.

Look at Hulu. They have been screwing people with their own system for viewing the shows online. Why? The people who watch will even sit and watch the commercials at the start. They just want to control the app they watch it with. The people just want to watch their shows. So instead of making people happy, they screw them for control and the thought that they are losing money. 

Also even though in Canada we ALSO carry the main US stations (ABC, CBC, NBC and FOX) Hulu will not allow canadians to watch. Why? We still buy the same products that your commercials advertise for, I could watch the show on my local FREE network who also carries the show. But no. Its all a power trip.

So until the networks and hollywood smarten up. I will be getting torrents of my TV shows. 

Sadly, the shows that people torrent (Sarah Conner, Stargates, Arrested Development, Chuck and many others) still rely on neilson to get their ratings. Therefore they have low raitings and get cancelled. Great shows, plenty of fans wanting to watch, but a system where the people in charge have no clue what the real world does to see their programs.

It would be funny if it wasn&#039;t so sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I put this in the &#8216;No $H1T Sherlock!&#8217; catagory. For years I have been going to torrents for my TV shows. Either because:<br />
1 -the show I want to watch does not air in my local (Canada)<br />
2 -They will air it here months later (if not a year &#8211; Looking at you BBC),<br />
3 &#8211; I&#8217;ve missed it (either I was out, forgot or the network moved it to another time-slot)<br />
4 &#8211; I have a life and go out Fridays with Friends. Why put the shows I want to watch on that night? You want them to fail??<br />
5 &#8211; I wanted to download the episodes and keep them until the DVD comes out.<br />
6 &#8211; Your movie looks like crap and I don&#8217;t want to spend $12 (CDN movie price) to find out that surprise it is!! If the movie looks good I will always go with friends and family to watch first.</p>
<p>The networks need to wake up and really see how people are using the internet for their TV fix. Instead of them trying to tell us how we should use it, let us tell them. They must adapt in this new market place, not us. Internet gives us the power not them.</p>
<p>Look at Hulu. They have been screwing people with their own system for viewing the shows online. Why? The people who watch will even sit and watch the commercials at the start. They just want to control the app they watch it with. The people just want to watch their shows. So instead of making people happy, they screw them for control and the thought that they are losing money. </p>
<p>Also even though in Canada we ALSO carry the main US stations (ABC, CBC, NBC and FOX) Hulu will not allow canadians to watch. Why? We still buy the same products that your commercials advertise for, I could watch the show on my local FREE network who also carries the show. But no. Its all a power trip.</p>
<p>So until the networks and hollywood smarten up. I will be getting torrents of my TV shows. </p>
<p>Sadly, the shows that people torrent (Sarah Conner, Stargates, Arrested Development, Chuck and many others) still rely on neilson to get their ratings. Therefore they have low raitings and get cancelled. Great shows, plenty of fans wanting to watch, but a system where the people in charge have no clue what the real world does to see their programs.</p>
<p>It would be funny if it wasn&#8217;t so sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@33:

To a degree I guess you are right maybe it gets bad, but once it does people will find a way that will suit them and their needs. Society is a complex system and dynamic it&#039;s nothing like the entertainment industry, look at the example of the software industry they battle piracy in the 80&#039;s too and were successful to a point and it was getting harder and harder to have illegal software then something amazing happened &lt;b&gt;people got together&lt;/b&gt; to develop stuff that they didn&#039;t have the money to pay for it and one guy showed how to use the law to protect the freedoms of the people(Thank you Stallman) and a kid(Thank you Torvalds) living with his parents working alone impacted the OS market 10 years latter this things were born out of necessity to restore balance in the system, which benefited not only society but business everywhere and I believe that the same thing will happen with arts and that is why I don&#039;t concern myself very much. People will start doing things on their own and create new models. It&#039;s great that the industry go postal on society and make fantastic claims that no one can prove because people get tired and start making things for themselves, and this is the turning point when people start making their on things and turning their backs to those who hurt them. It will happen if the industry continue just wait and see.</description>
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<p>To a degree I guess you are right maybe it gets bad, but once it does people will find a way that will suit them and their needs. Society is a complex system and dynamic it&#8217;s nothing like the entertainment industry, look at the example of the software industry they battle piracy in the 80&#8217;s too and were successful to a point and it was getting harder and harder to have illegal software then something amazing happened <b>people got together</b> to develop stuff that they didn&#8217;t have the money to pay for it and one guy showed how to use the law to protect the freedoms of the people(Thank you Stallman) and a kid(Thank you Torvalds) living with his parents working alone impacted the OS market 10 years latter this things were born out of necessity to restore balance in the system, which benefited not only society but business everywhere and I believe that the same thing will happen with arts and that is why I don&#8217;t concern myself very much. People will start doing things on their own and create new models. It&#8217;s great that the industry go postal on society and make fantastic claims that no one can prove because people get tired and start making things for themselves, and this is the turning point when people start making their on things and turning their backs to those who hurt them. It will happen if the industry continue just wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: johny</title>
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		<dc:creator>johny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unique visitors # should be lower than total visitors as total visitors can be duplicated (ie same person twice). Unique is more accurate and has to be smaller that total visitors. Ur numbers are out of whack.</description>
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		<title>By: Nielsen Hugely Underestimates BitTorrent Traffic &#124; World Boxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nielsen Hugely Underestimates BitTorrent Traffic &#124; World Boxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is not so much of an issue for them, they simply want to see the latest Lost or Heroes episodes.   you can know more from torrentfreak.com You might also like…Skype, Now the Largest Long-distance Phone CompanyISP Speeds Up Customers’ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jack Seavers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Seavers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say that is a MAJOR under estimate!

RT
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say that is a MAJOR under estimate!</p>
<p>RT<br />
privacy-tools.echoz.com</p>
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		<title>By: katell</title>
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		<dc:creator>katell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: armstrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The downloading itself is not so much about cost saving. In Australia, BitTorrent is especially popular among those who want to catch up with US television shows that appear months or years later on TV down under. Money is not so much of an issue for them, they simply want to see the latest Lost or Heroes episodes.

THIS IS VERY TRUE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The downloading itself is not so much about cost saving. In Australia, BitTorrent is especially popular among those who want to catch up with US television shows that appear months or years later on TV down under. Money is not so much of an issue for them, they simply want to see the latest Lost or Heroes episodes.</p>
<p>THIS IS VERY TRUE</p>
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		<title>By: Wozza</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/nielsen-hugely-underestimates-bittorrent-traffic-090531/#comment-565602</link>
		<dc:creator>Wozza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lmfao @ 37 poking 36

Short, sweet, funny - I like it XD</description>
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<p>Short, sweet, funny &#8211; I like it XD</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe it&#039;s the gb used just to download the pages (not the torrents) ;)</description>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that is just for the Au, where they are one of the worst places in the world for allowable Gb per month in their plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that is just for the Au, where they are one of the worst places in the world for allowable Gb per month in their plans.</p>
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		<title>By: Usama Bin Laden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Usama Bin Laden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the Big Mac :)</description>
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		<title>By: iShare</title>
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		<dc:creator>iShare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@27

&quot;Just ask why do people from every coutry move here for a better life.&quot;
XD
If I wanted to go the better life I would move to a place like Sweden or Japan. The only upside to America is your gun laws. Still, awesome internets + hot chicks &gt; guns.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Just ask why do people from every coutry move here for a better life.&#8221;<br />
XD<br />
If I wanted to go the better life I would move to a place like Sweden or Japan. The only upside to America is your gun laws. Still, awesome internets + hot chicks &gt; guns.</p>
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		<title>By: Snakekilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snakekilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote by Anonymous,
&quot;Besides I think the article is being ironic with the claims that the entertaiment industry makes about the end of civilization as we know it LoL&quot;

Well our generation right now relays on entertainment as the primary source of escape and stress reliever. Now if that industry crashes, or lets just say all illegal bit torrent downloading is 100% banned and anyone who does uses will get easily tracked and sentenced 10 years. So people would stop because the internet is being monitored by governments and with highly elite tracking software. So lets say that happened, meaning people will ether pay for content more, or just have a lot less entertainment in their life. So those people who cannot afford any paid entertainment content, they would just get hobbies like reading which i consider a much cheaper source of entertainment, or exercising, or who knows some crazies wont be smart enough to replace mainstream paid entertainment [tv, movies, video games, music, which can be very expensive] to look into other ways for entertainment and start going postal of having no way in escaping reality for a short time in a day to relieve stress. All types of crimes would go up, [educated guess of 10%-15%].</description>
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&#8220;Besides I think the article is being ironic with the claims that the entertaiment industry makes about the end of civilization as we know it LoL&#8221;</p>
<p>Well our generation right now relays on entertainment as the primary source of escape and stress reliever. Now if that industry crashes, or lets just say all illegal bit torrent downloading is 100% banned and anyone who does uses will get easily tracked and sentenced 10 years. So people would stop because the internet is being monitored by governments and with highly elite tracking software. So lets say that happened, meaning people will ether pay for content more, or just have a lot less entertainment in their life. So those people who cannot afford any paid entertainment content, they would just get hobbies like reading which i consider a much cheaper source of entertainment, or exercising, or who knows some crazies wont be smart enough to replace mainstream paid entertainment [tv, movies, video games, music, which can be very expensive] to look into other ways for entertainment and start going postal of having no way in escaping reality for a short time in a day to relieve stress. All types of crimes would go up, [educated guess of 10%-15%].</p>
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