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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>/no-anti-bittorrent-precedent-achieved-in-canada-080712/#comment-452189</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s like I heard in some video I watched recently, &quot;we can now get $9000 a song rather than $1&quot;. Makes good business sense huh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like I heard in some video I watched recently, &#8220;we can now get $9000 a song rather than $1&#8243;. Makes good business sense huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@33 you make a lot of good points. The propaganda industries call file sharing stealing because they claim it deprives starving artists of income. That theory is shot down when it becomes clear that people would not have bought it even if they couldn&#039;t get it free. I suspect this applies to most all. So these majority are doing no harm. Yet the cartels will then say that it&#039;s still theft. Why is it then? Then they begin their false circuitous logic again, proving their ignorance and insincerity.

Sharing media is no different from what has always been legally and morally acceptable. It&#039;s just that now the cartels feel they can more easily control it, being digital, with their DRM crap and easy litigation threats to garnish their ill-gotten funds]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@33 you make a lot of good points. The propaganda industries call file sharing stealing because they claim it deprives starving artists of income. That theory is shot down when it becomes clear that people would not have bought it even if they couldn&#8217;t get it free. I suspect this applies to most all. So these majority are doing no harm. Yet the cartels will then say that it&#8217;s still theft. Why is it then? Then they begin their false circuitous logic again, proving their ignorance and insincerity.</p>
<p>Sharing media is no different from what has always been legally and morally acceptable. It&#8217;s just that now the cartels feel they can more easily control it, being digital, with their DRM crap and easy litigation threats to garnish their ill-gotten funds</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Justice can never be achieved whilst the greedy legal system favours the wealthy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice can never be achieved whilst the greedy legal system favours the wealthy</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking of false partiality of the Courts, and the Canadian federal government itself  has left the internet unregulated..  at least in part only.. we know that child molesters, child pornography on internet in Canada can be and are often rightfully prosecuted, and that some internet bullies are now being rightfully prosecuted by some provincial human rights commissions, even by some of the courts for slander, abuse  now too.. But not all of the the  human rights, verbal abusers even now  are being adequately dealt with too, nor the internet service providers who lie, are clearly now guilty of being abusive, falsely restrictive, censorship, privacy invasions, guilty false misleading advertising, restrictive business practices, bait and switch approach are not being adequately dealt with  and this is unacceptable, a falsely discriminatory practice  that now still always too and needs to be fully dealt with too.
   
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of false partiality of the Courts, and the Canadian federal government itself  has left the internet unregulated..  at least in part only.. we know that child molesters, child pornography on internet in Canada can be and are often rightfully prosecuted, and that some internet bullies are now being rightfully prosecuted by some provincial human rights commissions, even by some of the courts for slander, abuse  now too.. But not all of the the  human rights, verbal abusers even now  are being adequately dealt with too, nor the internet service providers who lie, are clearly now guilty of being abusive, falsely restrictive, censorship, privacy invasions, guilty false misleading advertising, restrictive business practices, bait and switch approach are not being adequately dealt with  and this is unacceptable, a falsely discriminatory practice  that now still always too and needs to be fully dealt with too.</p>
<p><a href="http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Filesharing Kelolon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ve been taught since childhood that sharing is the right thing to do. Now we&#039;re supposed to teach our children that sharing is ok so long as it doesn&#039;t hurt some corporations bottom line. Thanks in large part to the way most of us have been raised (the lower to middle classes anyways, including myself) I find it very hard to swallow. If infringing so called copyright is pure evil, then why does it feel so right? It&#039;s the same feeling I get knowing I&#039;ve helped someone in need. Because my government has created laws meant to punish those that make a copy of something, and governments are never wrong or to be questioned, that must mean I&#039;m completely wrong to think and feel as I do and should thus be made bankrupt, demonized, and tossed in jail with all the others of my ilk, we murderers and rapists and file sharers. In what world is any of this sane?

One thing that certainly hasn&#039;t changed since the dawn of time is that big money always wins in the end. Why hold a gun to someones head when simply implying as much works just as well, as has been done in this case? Granted, backing down was the right thing to do seeing as the bigger picture is more important to how the future of file sharing unfolds, but that still doesn&#039;t make it right. The MafIAA does exactly the same thing, dropping cases where a precident they don&#039;t want may come about, so it&#039;s nice to see our side playing ball by the same rules.

Money equals power and power equals control, so it&#039;s not surprising that the one thing corporations fear the most is loss of that control. This is what copyright is really about. It could just as easily be about sharing a toothbrush if the industry thought they might be losing money due to that. What is being shared isn&#039;t so important as the fact that it is being shared. How many of us (corporate goons included) buy a book and share it with our spouse, children, parents, friends, etc? How about when we buy or rent a movie, how many of us enjoy watching it with a group of friends and family on our home theaters? Is file sharing really all that different? Clearly the MPAA and RIAA (and their counterparts in other countries) would like us to believe so based on their actions to date, and I&#039;m willing to bet that if they could somehow get a law passed that prevented us from enjoying our home entertainment with others without paying a fee per head, they would. Money and power, greed and control.

They love to call file sharing &quot;stealing&quot;, but regardless of whether you agree or not, it clearly is anything but. You have to actually lose something physical for it to qualify as being stolen. Duplication is the proper word and the only one that applies. To argue otherwise is to show that you are unable to grasp the simplest of gifts bestowed upon the human race; logical reasoning. Anything else is just wishful thinking, either because they want it to be true, or because they fear it. I guess it probably shouldn&#039;t come as a surprise that those with lots of money tend to see the world through rose colored glasses. Anyone whom has read Wizard&#039;s First Rule will understand where I&#039;m coming from, and if not then I&#039;d be happy to lend you all a copy. ;-)

Here is another line Terry Goodkind fans will be familiar with. &quot;Focus on the solution, not the problem.&quot; The fact is that there are a number of good solutions just waiting to be implemented, ones in which both sides should be able to agree upon. The sad fact however is that the entertainment industry seems completely unwilling to compromise in any area. Again this probably shouldn&#039;t be a surprise I suppose, as most humans seem to have a very difficult time separating logical thought from illogical emotions. I know many on our side would be more than happy to do exactly that provided such solutions implemented were fair and just. I&#039;ve lost count of how many times I&#039;ve read people commenting that they have no trouble with paying a reasonable monthly fee, for example, on their internet bill, allowing them to download without fear of prosecution. I believe solutions like this, and many others, can potentially earn the entertainment industry far more money than they ever have in the past. One can&#039;t help but wonder why they constantly refuse to consider all the great possibilities available, unless you look back on my earlier comment and it truly isn&#039;t about money (which all signs show they have plenty of), but rather control. That and the fact that at this point just about any solution other than the one they&#039;ve adopted (mass suing your customers, yeah that makes good business sense) would mean admitting they were wrong about file sharing all along. As long as you have greedy rich (and likely spoiled) folks at the top being obstinate and making all the decisions, nothing is likely to change for the better any time soon, and we will continue hearing sad stories such as this one for as long as the internet exists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been taught since childhood that sharing is the right thing to do. Now we&#8217;re supposed to teach our children that sharing is ok so long as it doesn&#8217;t hurt some corporations bottom line. Thanks in large part to the way most of us have been raised (the lower to middle classes anyways, including myself) I find it very hard to swallow. If infringing so called copyright is pure evil, then why does it feel so right? It&#8217;s the same feeling I get knowing I&#8217;ve helped someone in need. Because my government has created laws meant to punish those that make a copy of something, and governments are never wrong or to be questioned, that must mean I&#8217;m completely wrong to think and feel as I do and should thus be made bankrupt, demonized, and tossed in jail with all the others of my ilk, we murderers and rapists and file sharers. In what world is any of this sane?</p>
<p>One thing that certainly hasn&#8217;t changed since the dawn of time is that big money always wins in the end. Why hold a gun to someones head when simply implying as much works just as well, as has been done in this case? Granted, backing down was the right thing to do seeing as the bigger picture is more important to how the future of file sharing unfolds, but that still doesn&#8217;t make it right. The MafIAA does exactly the same thing, dropping cases where a precident they don&#8217;t want may come about, so it&#8217;s nice to see our side playing ball by the same rules.</p>
<p>Money equals power and power equals control, so it&#8217;s not surprising that the one thing corporations fear the most is loss of that control. This is what copyright is really about. It could just as easily be about sharing a toothbrush if the industry thought they might be losing money due to that. What is being shared isn&#8217;t so important as the fact that it is being shared. How many of us (corporate goons included) buy a book and share it with our spouse, children, parents, friends, etc? How about when we buy or rent a movie, how many of us enjoy watching it with a group of friends and family on our home theaters? Is file sharing really all that different? Clearly the MPAA and RIAA (and their counterparts in other countries) would like us to believe so based on their actions to date, and I&#8217;m willing to bet that if they could somehow get a law passed that prevented us from enjoying our home entertainment with others without paying a fee per head, they would. Money and power, greed and control.</p>
<p>They love to call file sharing &#8220;stealing&#8221;, but regardless of whether you agree or not, it clearly is anything but. You have to actually lose something physical for it to qualify as being stolen. Duplication is the proper word and the only one that applies. To argue otherwise is to show that you are unable to grasp the simplest of gifts bestowed upon the human race; logical reasoning. Anything else is just wishful thinking, either because they want it to be true, or because they fear it. I guess it probably shouldn&#8217;t come as a surprise that those with lots of money tend to see the world through rose colored glasses. Anyone whom has read Wizard&#8217;s First Rule will understand where I&#8217;m coming from, and if not then I&#8217;d be happy to lend you all a copy. ;-)</p>
<p>Here is another line Terry Goodkind fans will be familiar with. &#8220;Focus on the solution, not the problem.&#8221; The fact is that there are a number of good solutions just waiting to be implemented, ones in which both sides should be able to agree upon. The sad fact however is that the entertainment industry seems completely unwilling to compromise in any area. Again this probably shouldn&#8217;t be a surprise I suppose, as most humans seem to have a very difficult time separating logical thought from illogical emotions. I know many on our side would be more than happy to do exactly that provided such solutions implemented were fair and just. I&#8217;ve lost count of how many times I&#8217;ve read people commenting that they have no trouble with paying a reasonable monthly fee, for example, on their internet bill, allowing them to download without fear of prosecution. I believe solutions like this, and many others, can potentially earn the entertainment industry far more money than they ever have in the past. One can&#8217;t help but wonder why they constantly refuse to consider all the great possibilities available, unless you look back on my earlier comment and it truly isn&#8217;t about money (which all signs show they have plenty of), but rather control. That and the fact that at this point just about any solution other than the one they&#8217;ve adopted (mass suing your customers, yeah that makes good business sense) would mean admitting they were wrong about file sharing all along. As long as you have greedy rich (and likely spoiled) folks at the top being obstinate and making all the decisions, nothing is likely to change for the better any time soon, and we will continue hearing sad stories such as this one for as long as the internet exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. M</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have even recently heard from  major label regarding our sharing site (ultimatesharing.com) that they now allow us to post their material.  It turns out, they admitted to us, that file sharing actually helps their bottom line - and the only reason the big companies try to stop it is for anti-trust reasons (so the little guy&#039;s artists and movies can&#039;t break the public consciousness) - there are no significant monetary losses to the companies :D! In fact, most companies gain advertising benefit from sharing I&#039;ve been told.

This isn&#039;t a VICTORY for ANYBODY!  The labels are ultimately losing.  The big guys that are trying to stop rising new stars are ultiamtely falling and their actions are a last grasp of fear for a dying corrupt regime.


BTW, At ultimatesharing.com, members aggregate and post useful download links from pirate bay, rapidshare, megaupload, anywhere we can find it! Please give it a visit, download, and SHARE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have even recently heard from  major label regarding our sharing site (ultimatesharing.com) that they now allow us to post their material.  It turns out, they admitted to us, that file sharing actually helps their bottom line &#8211; and the only reason the big companies try to stop it is for anti-trust reasons (so the little guy&#8217;s artists and movies can&#8217;t break the public consciousness) &#8211; there are no significant monetary losses to the companies :D! In fact, most companies gain advertising benefit from sharing I&#8217;ve been told.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a VICTORY for ANYBODY!  The labels are ultimately losing.  The big guys that are trying to stop rising new stars are ultiamtely falling and their actions are a last grasp of fear for a dying corrupt regime.</p>
<p>BTW, At ultimatesharing.com, members aggregate and post useful download links from pirate bay, rapidshare, megaupload, anywhere we can find it! Please give it a visit, download, and SHARE.</p>
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		<title>By: zom</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can you invest in a laywer without 
needing one?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you invest in a laywer without<br />
needing one?</p>
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		<title>By: Webguylive.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They can&#039;t shut down torrents. If one goes down today, ten more will rise. It&#039;s just the power of the net.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can&#8217;t shut down torrents. If one goes down today, ten more will rise. It&#8217;s just the power of the net.</p>
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		<title>By: zom</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#28 Jul 13, 2008 at 09:22 by enigmax

Thank you for that..

He&#039;s distracting me from watching the ???? from putting their toothpaste back in the tube.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28 Jul 13, 2008 at 09:22 by enigmax</p>
<p>Thank you for that..</p>
<p>He&#8217;s distracting me from watching the ???? from putting their toothpaste back in the tube.</p>
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		<title>By: enigmax</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Izumi-sensei

Oss :)

Please stop hijacking every comment section on TF with your own agenda. If you must, use the P2PFreak forum to raise awareness but you have to stop taking the discussion off topic.

When people start turning against your publicity methods, that should be a sign to try another approach :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Izumi-sensei</p>
<p>Oss :)</p>
<p>Please stop hijacking every comment section on TF with your own agenda. If you must, use the P2PFreak forum to raise awareness but you have to stop taking the discussion off topic.</p>
<p>When people start turning against your publicity methods, that should be a sign to try another approach :)</p>
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