Comments on: ‘No Evidence’ Anti-Piracy Group Hacked FTP Server

By: Dia

Dia — Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:14:28 +0000

@5 thinks police can’t lie, lol.

By: Sanity_Vocal

Sanity_Vocal — Mon, 28 Jun 2010 03:33:39 +0000

Maybe someone should serv the anti-piracy group one of those Lawyer’s letters pertaining to infringement of copywrite etc for the illegal access to the private site, worded such that the onus to proof of innocence is on the group.

By: jorrrrrma

jorrrrrma — Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:40:08 +0000

More than the hacking/illegal access to the FTP server, what I find more alarming is that they didn’t require any proof of anyone else accessing the server. How do they decide on the ruling if they don’t even know how large the userbase was or if there ever were any users at all?

By: Power2All

Power2All — Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:43:49 +0000

Anyway, how open was the FTP access.
If it was publically known by the group, it’s obvious they could get in easly.
But if the FTP server was very private, and they logged user-activity in their logs that shouldn’t be there, it should be enough to win the case, since IP addresses are legally now in Sweden to use in a court, isn’t it ? xD

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:24:52 +0000

“how can someone have legal access to a illegal ftp server”

This FTP server is not illegal.

Since it is private and password protected accessing this server without authorization is illegal. Plain and simple.

By: Pirate Ponten

Pirate Ponten — Sat, 26 Jun 2010 22:10:31 +0000

Hahahahahaha.

IP-related evidence is only valid when we have the dirt on you, not the other way around!

By: LMAO

LMAO — Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:07:07 +0000

to 38,

how can someone have legal access to a illegal ftp server, hence pay2leech site? ;)

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By: Whatever

Whatever — Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:09:11 +0000

Even if someone who has legally access to the server gave them the username/password without pressure they would still be accessing the server illegally as they never got permission to access it from the owner.

Case in NL some time ago where someone was convicted for accessing a news agency server without permission (NOT hacking as the title seem to suggest):

http://tweakers.net/nieuws/56387/rechter-veroordeelt-hackers-van-gpd-computers.html

(strangely enough, in another case where BREIN got access to a website through an unsatisfied moderator didn’t get BREIN in trouble)

By: opium

opium — Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:28:51 +0000

I would love for this to come up in a future hacking case, the person defending could bring this up as a case where hacking is percieved to be legal as a case law defense :)

By: Blargh

Blargh — Sat, 26 Jun 2010 07:49:37 +0000

Most likely someone at ePhone was active in the pirate community.

By: Chris

Chris — Sat, 26 Jun 2010 05:33:08 +0000

Right, they are so lieing.

http://www.freebie-link.com/

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By: im confused

im confused — Sat, 26 Jun 2010 03:06:10 +0000

So in order to uphold the law, they must first break the law? Such a dilemma. Sounds like another “Do as i say, not as I do” to me..A big downside of the last generation, somehow they were raised into that way of thinking.

By: Viggy Too

Viggy Too — Sat, 26 Jun 2010 02:57:33 +0000

Hell yeah, they know how to cover their tracks LOL

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By: Ninja

Ninja — Sat, 26 Jun 2010 00:48:21 +0000

Oh, I backed up my songs and made them available so I and my family could access them anywhere via the FTP. *presents a few of the originals* MAFIAA loses epically.

K.O. Flawless Victory!

Start a lawsuit against MAFIAA for breaking into my personal FTP. And win.

K.O. FATALITY.

There are things only MAFIAA can do for you. For all the others there are the good comedians. ;D

By: planted

planted — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:45:21 +0000

If they hacked their access to an FTP server, what proves they didn’t plant the evidence themselves??
This is such a flaky case.
There is no ground for a complain if they illegally obtained evidence that could have been planted.

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By: in.cog.nito

in.cog.nito — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:39:02 +0000

SO someone needs to ‘legally’ access their servers. That’s all.

By: Swe

Swe — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:16:32 +0000

Antipiratbyrån did get access to the server by they hired hacker to the work. So it seems legal to Antipiratbyrån get evidences any way they want and also Antipiratbyrån is over the law as all swedish know. Laws don’t apply to Antipiratbyrån and they can do any illegal things and get out of this.

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By: Jay

Jay — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:55:24 +0000

The problem here is the nature of law and lawyers. Lawyers are in it to make money, clear and simple. Because of this, there is a severe lack of lawyers out there that are in it to protect our personal freedoms.

With this kind of hierarchy in place, our personal freedoms can only get tighter and tighter until we’re living in some scary Communist regime where only a certain group of people have all the power to do whatever they want with no consequences (other than getting rich).

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:44:25 +0000

‘No Evidence’ Anti-Piracy Group Hacked FTP Server

What type of crap is that?

The fact they they got this information from a private password protected server is the proof that they broke into the server illegally.

Deu!

Antipiratbyrån is an organization of criminals.

I remember when they have one of their agent illegally planting evidence into one of the Pirate bay server since pirate bay servers never actually contain copyrighted information.

When the government and the justice become the asocial criminals it is time for an insurrection.

By: Jay

Jay — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:02:34 +0000

We’re talking about a company whos ‘front man’ claimed to have police authority and conducted an illegal search of a filesharers appartment (their own damn tape of the whole thing leaked).
Impersonating a police officer, or claiming to have police authority is a very big deal in Sweden, punishable by a (by the countrys standard) hefty jail sentance, the film is out there, it has been reported and yet he still walks free.
If they can get away with THAT i have no doubt they’ll get away clean on this aswell, even if there was solid proof of hacking.

By: J

Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:00:59 +0000

“They send one of yours to sing sing, you send one of theirs to the mourge” – “I told him his name was in the ledger as well…”

It’s ironic how similar this is to Al Capone… only with a sadder ending…

By: Techy

Techy — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:58:13 +0000

I’m with post 23. We should set up some protected honey pot servers with fake ebooks, movies, mp3′s etc and just wait. Then take criminal legal action against them on the grounds of illegal access.

Obviously in the current case the government is pulling a blind eye to the illegal activities of Antipiratbyrån, a sign of corruption if you ask me. Secondly if they are accessing servers illegally how can we possibly know that it wasn’t Antipiratbyrån that put the files there themselves?

By: etc

etc — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:06:49 +0000

Lets make some books/movies/songs, upload them to torrent, insert the MAFIA’s IPs address and obtain a court order and sue their ass for $1.92 million per piece of song/movie/data. This is call proof, great idea!!!

By: Mavi Gozler

Mavi Gozler — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:01:49 +0000

Relieved-of-duty General Stanley McChrystal did not call that idiot Joe Biden “Bite Me” for nothing.

This pinhead makes Dan Quayle look nearly like an intellectual.

By: m3

m3 — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:50:26 +0000

@16 Can it be that they’re actually the registered user? I don’t really understand how that service works, but it wouldn’t be the first time a content company uploads their own stuff in order to “blame” a service provider.

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By: confused_r33der

confused_r33der — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:59:01 +0000

I’m pretty stoked that hacking is considered “legal”

Thanks media

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:23:48 +0000

We can make you a screen shot with an IP address .. that’s proof enough .. right ;)

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By: tightasa

tightasa — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:16:35 +0000

Omission=Admission.If I was not convinced before of corruption………I certainly am now!!!Power equals corruption….Absolute power equals absolute corruption.Our only hope……..Unity and dissent!!!

By: JonathanWilson

JonathanWilson — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:05:06 +0000

I think when this gets further there will be the potential that Antipiratbyrån will fall foul of other legislation such as illegal access/cracking because at some point it will need to prove how it got access to the files to prove the files were there to prove a case to apply to the court for access.

Or they will drop the case if this info is required and they may get prosecuted themselves.

Had the FTP server been open or even insecure/badly locked down, there is still the issue of intent. I have a huge archive of TV programs and manuals and other stuff, all legal and above board that I have on an internal home NAS/server that were I more mobile (such as an iphone, or worked in an IT dept.) I would find access to remotely very important.

Without knowing all the facts, should this case be upheld potentially it would make me, along with thousands of others, a criminal for having internet access to my own legaly owned media!

By: Osno

Osno — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:46:28 +0000

Can it be that they’re actually the registered user? I don’t really understand how that service works, but it wouldn’t be the first time a content company uploads their own stuff in order to “blame” a service provider.

By: TerribleTony

TerribleTony — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:44:59 +0000

Wot no FTP logs?

By: Whatever

Whatever — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:32:04 +0000

@TF, I give up, cant seem to find the wrong word and dont want to spam again in pieces here.

By: Whatever

Whatever — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:24:38 +0000

@TF: I wonder which word is a problem today when trying to comment ?

By: lol

lol — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:21:17 +0000

Welp this is great. If anyone is ever suspected of hacking, we can always rely on this paid off judge to give a green card.

Or mabye it only applies to large media companies like everything else.

By: anonymous

anonymous — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:19:32 +0000

regardless of how the info was obtained, anyone who thought that there would be enough concrete information about a specific crime to be meaningful must be in a different world to the rest of us. there is no way that anything would be admitted and less chance of the ‘right’ questions being asked by the right people at the right time. change hats and ask yourselves what the situation would have been if it was a web site or individual being accused of copyright theft (like TPB guys). there would have been no end to the questions and accusations until an admission was obtained. get the EU court involved. may not give the verdict wanted, but at least all would know where they stand!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:57:11 +0000

It’s not necessarily hacking. Could have been good old fashioned social engineering. Perhaps still they just found someone who knew the password and convinced him to tell them what it is by coercion, threats or just plain money. :)

By: Trelew

Trelew — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:45:13 +0000

“Do as I say not as I do” will always be the rule of law for those in charge, regardless how unfair it will be.

By: BTL

BTL — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:41:02 +0000

Taking a wild guess here:

They got around and PAID for access.
And that’s why you only let people you trust on your machines.

By: James

James — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:36:22 +0000

With the same information, the average Joe would have a ton of police at their door the next day and in court the next week.

But because it’s Antipiratbyrån, the go no further investigation?

This whole system stinks and is pathetic.

By: Peter

Peter — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:29:31 +0000

I agree with MeepMeep. It appears the only option for us people. The system is so damn corrupt it needs a massive revolution to set things straight again.

By: Daniel

Daniel — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:27:29 +0000

Well. Their answer so far have been “an infiltrator”.

So probably they haven’t hacked the site but lied to someone about something (which is perfectly fine in Sweden AFAIK, as long as you not are from the police).