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By: Telenor Wont Block The Pirate Bay | Bootleg Corner

Telenor Wont Block The Pirate Bay | Bootleg Corner — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:12:50 +0000

[...] the Norwegian Minister of Education said recently that the music industry should embrace the Internet instead of fighting it. “All previous [...]

By: overflowlegal.com

overflowlegal.com — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:30:17 +0000

Norwegian Minister Wants to Legalize File-Sharing…

The trial of The Pirate Bay has not gone by unnoticed in Sweden’s neighbor country, Norway. The IFPI has ordered the largest ISP in the country to block the site, while on the other hand Norway’s Minister of Education is critical of the music indus…

By: Ripp

Ripp — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:37:03 +0000

In norway we pay a license to own a TV, so maybe we have to pay a license(tax) to have a internet connection now ? Or to own a PC (its been proposed before…You may watch tv on your PC so…)

By: Ed

Ed — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:13:10 +0000

Companies often already provide the file’s content for free on the public airwaves. But it’s not free. It’s paid for by advertising. Books and videos can be borrowed from the public libraries.

Make something illegal and you can’t control it and you sure as h**l can’t make any money off of it. Henry Ford found that out when he advocated prohibition of alcohol in the US. His taxes were up due to lost alcohol tax revenue and eventually he changed his tune.

Files should be distributed by the companies that are paid for by area and personal preference dependent advertising. They should be inserted before they can be used by a company that targets the audience. The companies producing the products get a revenue from the files legally distributed and everyone benefits. It’s either that or keep it illegal and people will find ways to get around the technical and legal road blocks.

By: [ARS]There's no future in fighting P2P: Norway Education Minister - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:56:41 +0000

[...] to start blocking The Pirate Bay, lest they face legal action from the record labels. As noted by TorrentFreak, the ISPs have been critical of the IFPI’s demands, and now it appears that they have some allies [...]

By: Norwegian Education Minister Wants To Legalize File Sharing; While IFPI Demands Norwegian Pirate Bay Block - Future is Now

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:26:31 +0000

[...] a lawsuit. However, the country’s Minister of Education, Bard Vegar Solhjell, has said that non-commercial file sharing should be legal, and the recording industry needs to learn to adapt: “All previous technology advances have [...]

By: Dd

Dd — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:01:29 +0000

I’m from Norway. And some guy is gonna make drugs Legal, so it may be a free country soon. Dont do drugs…

By: robert.schuppenies.de - weblog » Norwegian Minister Wants to Legalize File-Sharing

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:10:50 +0000

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Tue, 24 Feb 2009 03:46:47 +0000

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By: lator1

lator1 — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:08:48 +0000

The Future!!!

By: Moral Convenience.

Moral Convenience. — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:21:49 +0000

To anyone who pays for the work of others, that they enjoy. Good for you.

If you guys want to create good music for everyone to freely distribute, go for it, but you don’t have the right to make that decision for other people.

In criminal law, theft (also known as stealing or filching) is the illegal taking of another person’s property without that person’s freely-given consent.

Someone who carries out an act of or makes a career of theft is known as a thief.

A criminal who takes property belonging to someone else with the intention of keeping it or selling it.

You do not have the right to decide what someone’s selling should cost. That is their right, if you don’t like it. Don’t buy it.

By: Riposte Graduée : recul de la Nouvelle-Zélande, licence globale pour la Norvège ? | Mind Overflow

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:35:36 +0000

[...] favorable à une légalisation du partage de fichiers entre internautes. De plus, il a également pris position en faveur de The Pirate Bay lors du procès qui se déroule actuellement en Suède. Mais quelle mouche a bien [...]

By: D

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:11:49 +0000

Americans brainwashed to hate socialism incoming in 3.. 2.. 1..

By: The Technology Blog: Norwegian Minister Wants to Legalize FileSharing

The Technology Blog: Norwegian Minister Wants to Legalize FileSharing — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:35:28 +0000

[...] critical of the music industry, and wants to legalize (illegal) file-sharingThe full story is here:http://torrentfreak.com/norwegian-minister-wants-to-legalize-file-sharing-090222/ Posted by Makin at [...]

By: Anthony

Anthony — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:55:35 +0000

way to go!

By: Norvegia: il File Sharing? Dev’essere legale, parola di Ministro - The New Blog Times

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:17:34 +0000

[...] i Deus Ex Machina calati sulla Baia: “quei pazzi di IFPI debbono essere bloccati”, ha fatto sapere a Torrent Freak. Ma ancor più sorprendente è il parere esplicito del Ministro, riportato nel suo [...]

By: freetard

freetard — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:24:58 +0000

“the minister who is a member of the SOCIALIST Left Party…”
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BIG SURPRISE he wants everyone’s hard work to be free.

“It’s not about wanting to take things for free.”
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that’s exactly what it’s about. anyone that tells you different is a hormonal teenager going through the usual and tedious stages of “fight the man!” rebellion. eventually they’ll grow up, get jobs and realize that consuming without compensation is not fair, and distributing something you don’t own is not sharing.

By: Anonor

Anonor — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:55:50 +0000

Whoa, first off, this is clearly not about politicians, nor some of you seeing this as something bad, conspiracism. This is about the way media companies are forcing people to comply to its requirements, which is NOT working.

By: Lernziel

Lernziel — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:25:08 +0000

Evolutionsgeschichte der Feinde der Musikindustrie…

Grandioses Startseitenbild der aktuellen Piratebay-SeiteOriginal auf PirateBay
Dazu passt der aktuelle Kommentar des Norwegischen Bildungsministers Solhjell:
The music industry should embrace the Internet instead of fighting it, according to the mini…

By: .~.

.~. — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:44:58 +0000

adapt or die ftw, ack ack.

and it’s “or”, not “xor”, fwiw.

.~.

By: Italia-Norvegia 0-1 -- Diritto 2.0

Italia-Norvegia 0-1 -- Diritto 2.0 — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:23:22 +0000

[...] radio e il Web quella dei libri, così il p2p non comporterà la fine della musica. Per questo, secondo il Ministro Solhjell l’industria discografica dovrebbe trovare un sistema in grado di conciliare le esigenze dei [...]

By: SableSlayer

SableSlayer — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:01:06 +0000

Although I don’t agree with his Socialistic political views, I like the direction hes heading in regards to file sharing.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:48:41 +0000

GREAT NORWAY!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:07:44 +0000

nooooo your doing it wrong.

its RIP OR DIE, not adapt or die

By: GLARFACE

GLARFACE — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:59:32 +0000

It really makes no difference what he said, the guy’s a politician ( and looking at the photo above he appears to be a twat! ) I’m surprised he isn’t holding a baby in one arm and a placard in the other either banning or advocating the latest popular dislike or want of the Nowegian people. I bet he does the ‘Dad dance’ at family gatherings ‘coz he’s ‘real cool man.’
The truth is Politicians prefer to deal with history, tradition. pomp, ceremony, with a side order of deceit, corruption and general sleeze with self serving adulation and an arogance that beggars belief. (Or rather that’s the way it works in the U.K. and the european commission or as in the case of Peter Scandalson both) With no acceptance or remorse for the havoc they’ve caused and with even less personal accountability for such, or to be honest any accountability whatsoever or so our policeforce and the crown prosecution service have informed us. These fuckwits are seemingly surprised and indeed shocked when reality rears it’s ugly head:- cash for honours illegal donations expense fiddling Credit crunch, illegal wars etc’ Wanker Blair alongside Gordon Gump and that band of inept arsewipes now running Britain are as equal of blame for the monetry losses here as any of the inbred morons running our banks but at least the banks didn’t engage us in illegal conflict.

BUT WE THE PEOPLE ARE TO BLAME AS WE FECKIN ELECTED THEM.
WHAT A SORRY BUNCH OF C%NTS WE REALLY ARE.

TOO STUPID TO FEEL ANGRY.

By: the G man

the G man — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:38:59 +0000

hell yea norway lets go change or die iraa

By: Ministro norueguês quer implementar licença global para legalizar P2P | Remixtures

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:29:06 +0000

[...] Educação e Investigação Bård Vegar Solhjell. De modo a recompensar os artistas, ele pretende propor um sistema de financiamento do tipo licença [...]

By: yemd@waffles.fm

yemd@waffles.fm — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:22:37 +0000

Proud to be an active participant in the destruction of the IFPI and global capitalism.

By: Derrik Pardrey

Derrik Pardrey — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:09:28 +0000

Wow i wish the uk had someone like this in government.

By: Danish Dude

Danish Dude — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:50:50 +0000

There are NO laws saying that the entertainment industry cannot make a deal with a partner and thereby offering their music in the way this politician does. His proposition is basicaly just air.

In Denmark the largest ISP offers its costumers to download music for free in 192 kb/s. They made deals with record companies en masse – without stupid politicians interfering.

By: GeNioS

GeNioS — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:45:35 +0000

This once again proves that there is only one thing Sweden has that Norway does not…..Good Neighbors ;-)

By: Playboyman

Playboyman — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:08:28 +0000

Why can’t there be more Politicians like him ?

By: Ticker

Ticker — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:39:19 +0000

Anything released for public belongs to the public.
Thats how i view this issue.

By: norwegianGuy

norwegianGuy — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:01:05 +0000

Lot of posts here say that other parties are positive to file sharing as well… Well, if so many politicians and parties are pro fs, then why the hell isn’t it legal in Norway? I know; they are politicians. They lie their hearts out just to get your votes. They’re just words that have never been spoken as soon as the election is over.

By: Freedom Fighter

Freedom Fighter — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:42:17 +0000

@69

It’s not about wanting to take things for free.

It’s about the dinosaurs dictating culture and empowering the rich over the poor.

By: Jan

Jan — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:39:50 +0000

@69
it’s already free, just needs a tape recorder and a radio.

By: Ack

Ack — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:36:06 +0000

Yea great guys how would you like it if you worked in an industry where people think that it is their right to take what you did/produced for free

By: Jan

Jan — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:33:18 +0000

if enough people would buy shares in lets say universal you can get a voting majority and stop this bullshit.
don’t know how much their market capitalization is, but that could be a shortcut. just need to get millions of people participate.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:29:16 +0000

#60
“My favourite party also supports filesharing”
Proof or go away.

By: prffsrhlm

prffsrhlm — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:20:32 +0000

Could you imagine what it would look like if downloading music became legal? Just think how many people would start downloading all they want over night. It would be mayhem.

No wait. Actually it wouldnt be that different, because everyone I know who support it allready do and everyone I know who dont support it is a bunch of idiots. Well, maybe not idiots, just uninformed.

But lets hope this one goes through.

By: :o

:o — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:19:04 +0000

Wow, finally a politician with a working brain. I’ll move to Norway just to vote him… just kidding, but I hope Norwegians will. :D

By: micele’s weblog » Die Piraten von Schweden II

micele’s weblog » Die Piraten von Schweden II — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:23:04 +0000

[...] hinaus hat fefe ein schönes Zitat vom norwegischen Bildungsminister gefunden, was ein wenig hoffen lässt, dass es zumindest ein paar [...]

By: Dario Salvelli’s Blog » Blog Archive » Legalizzalo (il peer to peer)!

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:07:32 +0000

[...] Solhjell, un ministro Norvegese del Socialist Left Party (SV) ha lanciato sul suo blog l’idea di legalizzare il file sharing cercando di combinare gli interessi degli utenti e degli artisti (cita l’esempio di Spotify): SV [...]

By: Freedom Fighter

Freedom Fighter — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:21:45 +0000

#45, #54

The adaptation is easy, the music industry should just have to realise that their digital services suck and why they suck.

1. Formats and Quality
If you buy music online, you get it in a lossy proprietary format, usually with some sort of DRM pollution. You can’t play it on a regular PMP and it hurts your ears when you can.

Needless to say that this sucks.

Why isn’t the industry selling music in a lossless, open, and widely supported format, like FLAC? There’s hardly any added cost (in fact, it would be cheaper), and everyone has enough bandwidth to get some.

Ironically, some label I heard of tried to sell transcodes as if they were lossless, so I’m affraid we’d see a lot of that..

2. Cost
An album download now costs something in the area of € 10,-, which is a lot of money for something that’s not physical and had no added reproduction costs (as opposed to CD’s for instance).

Something in the area of € 2,50 per album would tempt me into spending more money in total than now, while there is no additional cost to the music industry. In short, with lower prices, they’d sell more music to more people and thus make more money.

3. Hassle
Being a non-American, it’s a huge hassle trying to actually buy music online. The payment methods suck, the downloads are slow, the catalogs are very limited and you’re stuck in some bloated application half the time.

Make it fast and easy with a proper website and payment methods people actually use in real life and outside of America.

It’s not that hard. The problem is that the music industry wants full control, so they can maximize profits with the least possible effort. Of course this would sting them, who would have expected otherwise?

Also, note that it’s the dinosaur companies that take the frontline in this fight, since their radio and magazine plugging tactics no longer work in present times. The smaller, indepentend companies actually understand the Internet and have made very good use of it.

By: George

George — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:14:51 +0000

“SV will explore the possibility of legalizing non-commercial file-sharing of music performed by private persons, in combination with a licensing solution for payment to the licensees,”

Ie me playing my guitar for non commercial reasons, AND I will have to pay?
F That.

It is easy:
Copyright: 1-2 years
Patents: Abolish

Have a nice day

By: Freedom Fighter

Freedom Fighter — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:00:42 +0000

#56

This may be the case for some people who only use public trackers. On private trackers, you see that people who actually love music gather around there. I may have downloaded around 9000 albums so far, but the last year alone, I spent around € 2000,- on music (Vinyl, CD, Concert, Festival) alone.

So there you go with your claim.

By: Freedom Fighter

Freedom Fighter — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:57:54 +0000

Spotify has terrible quality.

Who wants to pay for music in crappy lossless formats when the filesharing community is sharing immaculate FLACs?

By: Oslofyr

Oslofyr — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:34:53 +0000

Too bad he’s from SV, as I would never give my vote to the Socialist Left party (I’m norwegian).

However, Venstre (meaning ‘Left’, who for some reason is on the ‘Right’ in norwegian politics) is the liberal party – and is approximately the same size as SV. They also support file sharing. :-)

.. so, here’s hoping for a larger Venstre (“Left”) and hoping that the “Borgerlige” (the “right” side, which Venstre (“left”) is party of) wins the next election!

But this is the single case where I agree with a guy from SV (Socialist Left).

(Hope I confused a lot of people now)

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:27:28 +0000

There are plenty of ways to find music and “try it out” before you buy it that are legal, and don’t involve downloading entire albums for free, that you may or may not delete after you’ve “tried them.”

Every person I’ve associated with who takes that mindset and preaches those values… rarely ends up buying the shit they claim to be “trying out”, instead they just “try it out” indefinitely.

You know what you do.

And you do it because you don’t want to have to pay for the things you enjoy.

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