Police Extend OiNK’s Bail Date Once Again
Written by Ernesto on February 04, 2008Three months ago, the popular private BitTorrent tracker OiNK was effectively shut down in a joint effort by Dutch and British law enforcement. Today, the bail date for OiNK admin Alan Ellis has been extended for the second time, until the 6th of May.
OiNK was considered by many to be the best BitTorrent music tracker the world has ever seen. With 180,000 members it was without a doubt one of the most popular private BitTorrent trackers. OiNK hosted hundreds and thousands of torrents and tracked over a million peers, which made it more popular than most public trackers.
Jeremy Banks, Head of the IFPI’s Internet Anti-Piracy Unit described it differently, as he said at the time: “OiNK was central to the illegal distribution of pre-release music online. This was not a case of friends sharing music for pleasure. This was a worldwide network that got hold of music they did not own the rights to and posted it online.”
Among other things, the police claimed that OiNK was a money machine, and that Alan was making hundreds of thousands of pounds. However, everyone knows that OiNK was free to use and this fact was backed up by Trent Reznor, the frontman of Nine Inch Nails: “If OiNK cost anything, I would certainly have paid, but there isn’t the equivalent of that in the retail space right now.”
The IFPI and BPI did not only misinform the police, they also hijacked the OiNK.cd domain and displayed an ominous message indicating an investigation into the site’s users had begun. These propagandistic threats were supposed to scare former OiNK members, and they succeeded in this until OiNK reclaimed the domain.
With today’s extension, the speculation about potential charges continues. At the moment it remains unclear what evidence the police are trying to find, but I assume they have figured out by now that the site is not as evil as the IFPI and BPI wanted them to believe.
To be continued.
Previously: IFPI Forces Danish ISP to Block The Pirate Bay
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140 Responses
They can’t hurt him, no matter what!
i miss oink.cd so much… :( havn’t bought any music since they closed oink! bastards!
It seems pretty clear to me that the constant lack of charges and the fact they’ve extended bail AGAIN points to the police having jack shit on the guy. They’re clutching at straws, they have nothing, he’ll walk.
Damn, I liked OiNK.
I’ve never even set foot in my town’s record stores since they shut OiNK down.
Operating a BitTorrent tracker, linking to files – Illegal.
Invading another country based on proven lies and murdering 1.000.000+ civilians – Legal.
This surely is one hell of a fucked up world…
[quote comment="281278"]I’ve never even set foot in my town’s record stores since they shut OiNK down.[/quote]
why would people think this is the right idea? do you think record stores aren’t constantly targeted just like torrent sites for selling used music?
” Operating a BitTorrent tracker, linking to files – Illegal.
Invading another country based on proven lies and murdering 1.000.000+ civilians – Legal.
This surely is one hell of a fucked up world…”
The second thing isn’t actually legal. Just difficulty to prosecute.
Free the man already. His only crime is making the world a humble place. Pre-releases were banned on Oink.
It’s sounding more like a lack of strong evidence against Mr. Ellis (aka Oinky). Or could be the fact the IFPI and BPI are still stuggling how Oink really works. Or they may be looking for the nonexisting hundreds of thousands of pounds Oinky supposedly made.
To the IFPI and BPI: Oink will be free soon and your lack of evidence will not be stong enough to prosecute Oinky. What a waste of time and money.
The record companies need to use that money to help musicians create better quality music. Then and only then will people start buying. Until then music and entertainment has all the freedom online.
Hang in there Oinky. You are not forgotten. There’s a movement slowly building and plans being developed as of this writing.
Peace and a high five to the music fans. A finger and many explict words to the anti pirates.
“hundreds AND thousands of torrents”? Which is it?
#9
pre-releases were NOT banned on OiNK. some specific pre-releases were banned at times (such as white stripes for example) do to particular pressures.
Pre-releases weren’t banned on OiNK, and I doubt he’d enjoy you calling him “Oinky”. O.o
way to go oink :)
-m3
[quote comment="281297"]“hundreds AND thousands of torrents”? Which is it?[/quote]
Both, obviously. The first presupposes the second…
[quote comment="281315"][quote comment="281297"]“hundreds AND thousands of torrents”? Which is it?[/quote]
Both, obviously. The first presupposes the second…[/quote]
or maybe it’s something to do with multicoloured, sugary cake toppings.
[quote comment="281290"]”
Operating a BitTorrent tracker, linking to files – Illegal.
Invading another country based on proven lies and murdering 1.000.000+ civilians – Legal.
This surely is one hell of a fucked up world…”
The second thing isn’t actually legal. Just difficulty to prosecute.[/quote]
How very true. Also the first thing isn’t actually illegal, but greedy corporate bastards still try to prosecute in order to keep their never ending monopolies and milk the customers for all they are worth.
haven’t bought any music since oink went down either. And this is just the start. If things go on like this I’ll make everyone I remotely know to stop buying MAFIAA music until RIAA/ifpi and the other terrorists are history.
[quote comment="281315"][quote comment="281297"]“hundreds AND thousands of torrents”? Which is it?[/quote]
Both, obviously. The first presupposes the second…[/quote]
I think the correct turn of phrase is hundreds OF thousands…
[quote comment="281337"][quote comment="281315"][quote comment="281297"]“hundreds AND thousands of torrents”? Which is it?[/quote]
Both, obviously. The first presupposes the second…[/quote]
I think the correct turn of phrase is hundreds OF thousands…[/quote]
no…its a saying in england. The second guy is correct
Unfortunately i can see him getting found guilty, uk seem a bit crap at this sort of thing…
Fuck the police&Fuck IFPI.
Oink.Oink.Oink.
[quote comment="281309"]Pre-releases weren’t banned on OiNK, and I doubt he’d enjoy you calling him “Oinky”. O.o[/quote]
Certain pre-releases were banned, but not all of them. As for Oink being called Oinky he is used to it. It was a nickname that wasn’t often used, but he didn’t have a problem with it.
meh
I used oink as a sampler – if I liked it I bought it – sorry not bought anything since they went.
Long live Oinky – I dont think the CPS have enough evidence
Lets be honest all we are seeing here is the aftermath of another “fakedown” as I will be calling such events from now on.
The media company half-wits feed the police incorrect (usually dramatic claims )intelligence and look stupid when the charges drop through the floor as they will in this case, remember shareconnector anyone?
Lets hope he sues the BBC and others who called him a pirate/theif when the case does collapse.
boicott
[quote] Unfortunately i can see him getting found guilty, uk seem a bit crap at this sort of thing…[/quote]
Too true m8. Not far of the United States of Red Square.
Can they legally hijack the domain like that? Even if they do consider it a piece of property in the investigation, do they have a right to change the nameservers it points to?
Can he sue for false imprisonment if they don’t bring forth any charges?
He isn’t imprisoned.
OINK was the best.
So if cd- and record sales dropped dramatically sinds 23-10-07 …
… blames yourself, stupid industrycunts.
OINK was by far the best promoting site for music.
[quote comment="281281"]Operating a BitTorrent tracker, linking to files – Illegal.
Invading another country based on proven lies and murdering 1.000.000+ civilians – Legal.
This surely is one hell of a fucked up world…[/quote]
Dude, I shouldn’t even bother responding to you, but that 1 million plus civilian casualties thing is pure, unmitigated bullshit and has been debunked more times than you’ve had hot meals.
OiNK was horrid.
the uppity mods and admins had no right to be as arrogant as they were; all they did was run a site that ripped off the scene.
anything you could get there you could get from any good ftp topsite.
No way dude, you are an idiot.
There were sooo many albums on oink that no scene group had ever released and you certainly couldn’t find on a good topsite. Plus, it’s not very easy to get topsite axx.
epic fail.
OiNK is dead. Long live OiNK! via the Hydra & its offspring: what.cd & wafles.fm
Sporkula, dude that 1 million+ causalities is far from “bullshit” and most certainly has not be “debunked”. See, for instance, http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/11/mea-culpa-mea-maxima-ahhhstickitupyerjacksie/
and
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/01/orb_revises_estimate_of_iraqi.php
Never Forget & Help Support The Cause!
http://www.cafepress.com/neverforgetoink
Thanks – Becky
Just wanted to give a shout-out to Skamaria — you were consistently sharing some of the best stuff. Peace.
Wasn’t the guy’s first name Anton?
Anyway, “Bail Date” that’s when he’s supposed to appear before the court, yes? Who requested the extension, Ellis or the prosecutor?
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is there any hope Oink will ever come back and recognize old users?
I have not found a better place yet. I miss Oink dearly.
OiNK is not gonna come back short of Allan being completely exonerated of all charges, and a ruling saying that OiNK did nothing illegal at all…however the likely outcome of this will be the Govt. finding the site to be illegal and punishment will be the shutdown….
Of course Allan will likely end up with a fine, but I doubt it will be terribly bad. I don’t know anything about law, but these are my speculations.
I would like to point out that the IFPI/BPI/RIAA/MPA all act in the same capacity to intimidate people as much as possible, using scare tactics and corrupt lobbying practices to try to make the world over in their image.
OiNK is one example of these scare tactics being used in a way that creates a void in the music industry. I’m really pretty well of the opinion that when the dust settles, all that will remain is a dead industry and a few independent artists willing to share their own media.
And, to quote the esteemed Mr. Reznor: “Head like a hole, black as your soul, I’d rather die than give you control.”
Keep the support up, OiNKers! This battle’s not over yet!
” This was not a case of friends sharing music for pleasure. This was a worldwide network that got hold of music they did not own the rights to and posted it online.”
What’s the difference?
[quote comment="281341"]
Unfortunately i can see him getting found guilty, uk seem a bit crap at this sort of thing…[/quote]
He isn’t even charged with anything yet so at least he cannot be found guilty until he is charged.
Oink needs to file a complaint with the Independent Police Complaints Commission (http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/). If they are going to charge him they should do so soon, otherwise leave him alone. He needs a good lawyer to turn the tables on the police. He many even be able to sue them for wrongful arrest.
I miss oink. Like others, I didn’t purchase music until previewed on oink. And I found a lot of new sh1t to buy that wasn’t available locally. Since the ‘fakedown’…love this term BTW…I haven’t purchased anything. But I’ve also stopped dl music. I’m done with it. I’m only going to local gigs now to truly support the artits. A big fu to the music industry for your bs practices (both before the internet and now).
[quote comment="281323"][quote comment="281315"][quote comment="281297"]“hundreds AND thousands of torrents”? Which is it?[/quote]
Both, obviously. The first presupposes the second…[/quote]
or maybe it’s something to do with multicoloured, sugary cake toppings.[/quote]
Yum! =]
They’ve obviously extended it because they know they have no evidence. If they have any records of uers whatsoever they may go after them as a last resort.
It’s safe to say that Allan may get off from this, yet OiNK being as big as it was a judge may want to make an example of him.
It’s sad how this world works isn’t it? Everyday someone is killed, raped or robbed and yet the police are wasting their time. Shouldn’t the police be working on cases people care about?
Since when did bittorrent take priority over real crimes?
- Dwayne Charrington.
http://www.dwaynecharrington.com
[quote comment="281499"]OiNK was horrid.
the uppity mods and admins had no right to be as arrogant as they were; all they did was run a site that ripped off the scene.
anything you could get there you could get from any good ftp topsite.[/quote]
Not true at all my friend, I found stuff on there that I’d been looking for for months, and they had great quality ones of it.
[quote comment="281341"][quote comment="281337"][quote comment="281315"][quote comment="281297"]“hundreds AND thousands of torrents”? Which is it?[/quote]
Both, obviously. The first presupposes the second…[/quote]
I think the correct turn of phrase is hundreds OF thousands…[/quote]
no…its a saying in england. The second guy is correct
Unfortunately i can see him getting found guilty, uk seem a bit crap at this sort of thing…[/quote]
Too true! The police & law courts are no longer the arbiters of justice (& haven’t been for a _long_ time…)
All they do now is ensure the corrupt rich maintain their filthy lucre with an iron stranglehold on the status quo.
OiNK – squeeling like a stuffed pig
Like many others on here, I used Oink as a sample house of music that if was worthy, I would later purchase. I discovered so many great bands on there. If it wasn’t for Oink I never would have found Saltillo, Folium and many other triphop/downtempo albums that I have now bought.
Without oink as a consumer safety net, I no longer feel comfortable buying CD’s on a whim or because I like one song.
As stated, the ‘fakedown’ of oink has now limited my CD purchases and anything I do buy now comes directly from ebay /half.com
10/23 is a day that as a music lover I have still never recovered from. Oink was THE greatest torrent site ever created with the greatest music fans ever populating it! Good luck Alan, they’ve got nothing, everyone knows it!
[quote comment="281499"]OiNK was horrid.
….. ……
anything you could get there you could get from any good ftp topsite.[/quote]
I dont think you were a member.
OINK had the greatest collection of vinylrips, collectors items, etc.
A lot of them ripped in FLAC or in V0. Not the lame (:-)) V2 and 4 sure not with the terrible tagging of the scenekiddies.
Kill the underscores.
The only good thing about the demise of OiNK is how I was accepted into the open arms of its successors. While not quite what OiNK was, I have still received more music in the last few months than I would ever predict.
[quote comment="281511"]Never Forget & Help Support The Cause!
http://www.cafepress.com/neverforgetoink
Thanks – Becky[/quote]
That is just downright lame. Who gets the money? Fucking parasites.
[quote comment="281341"][quote comment="281337"][quote comment="281315"][quote comment="281297"]“hundreds AND thousands of torrents”? Which is it?[/quote]
Both, obviously. The first presupposes the second…[/quote]
I think the correct turn of phrase is hundreds OF thousands…[/quote]
no…its a saying in england. The second guy is correct
Unfortunately i can see him getting found guilty, uk seem a bit crap at this sort of thing…[/quote]
You English and your creating illogical sayings. Why would you want to presuppose? Just get to the bloody point. ;)
And by the way it’s ‘uk seems a bit crappy this kind of thing’
And by the way it’s ‘uk seems a bit crappy at this kind of thing’
Oink was the one stop shop for anything music. Wanted an unreleased album in FLAC there you go, wanted it in V0 it was there along with 1 or 2 other formats. It was a great place to be. It was better than any scene any friendly sharing site ever. It truly made me sad when i was awoken with the bad news.
@55 – No one does.
Riddle me this.. if oink’s assets are frozen and he needs money for attorney fees, why doesn’t he sell the tracker source and/or rights to oink.cd? This package is worth thousands.
Rather than relying on donations and the like, he could be self-sufficient and do himself some good. There’s no law, criminal or civil, for selling source code — so it would be prime bidding material for eBay.
Just thinking outside the box, I guess…
[quote comment="281499"]OiNK was horrid.
the uppity mods and admins had no right to be as arrogant as they were; all they did was run a site that ripped off the scene.
anything you could get there you could get from any good ftp topsite.[/quote]
agree, fuck oink!
LMAO, every one that doesn’t like Oink is obviously NOT a music lover, or only listens to the current billboards.
@ 61, Shall I send you a list of albums you don’t have at your top sites?
Poor Alan :(
Firstly, go away you stupid little scene children, your tiny brains and thick skulls cannot comprehend what OiNK was all about. If you hate Bittorrent so much, why do you use this site? Go away.
It’s quite amusing how the antics of the IFPI and BPI have backfired so spectacularly, as opposed to scaring music sharers off and destroying a popular torrent site, they have suceeded in making the community as determined and resilient as ever.
I guess we owe the IFPI and the BPI for causing new torrent sites to spring up, for giving torrent site ops the confidence to pursue legal battles against retched organisations such as theirs, and for opening the eyes of open minded labels and artists to the fact that Bittorrent is the way forward. For this, thank you!
Oh yeah, and good luck Alan, not that you need it, you know how incompetent the authorities are with regards to this matter.
Love you oink! Good Luck Alan!
[quote comment="281957"]And by the way it’s ‘uk seems a bit crappy this kind of thing’[/quote]
Not at all. The word ‘crap’ can be a noun, verb, _or_ adjective.
i.e. Your grasp of the english language is rather crap. =]
[quote comment="281957"]You English and your creating illogical sayings. Why would you want to presuppose? Just get to the bloody point. ;)[/quote]
OK. Your composition is almost as bad as your grammar. To the point enough?
HTH HAND kthxbai =]
[quote comment="281505"]No way dude, you are an idiot.
There were sooo many albums on oink that no scene group had ever released and you certainly couldn’t find on a good topsite. Plus, it’s not very easy to get topsite axx.
epic fail.[/quote]
You tool. OPP has user rips on it… do scene topsites? I dont think so. Hence, fail. I have ripped and uploaded albums elsewhere that no scene site has ever got it’s hands on.
[quote] OiNK was horrid.
the uppity mods and admins had no right to be as arrogant as they were; all they did was run a site that ripped off the scene.
anything you could get there you could get from any good ftp topsite.
[/quote]
Completely incorrect. There were many albums that came to oink before anyone from the “scene” knew they existed. Oink was well known for having rippers with connections, and even artists uploading pre-releases and such. The “scene” had nothing on oink.
No…. i think you’ll find its lame.
i miss Oink please come back soon we all miss this great site and we all wait huge back
#6 STFU
Anyway oink was awesome
Everyone should turn back to vinyl and start buying that music medium – since the only ones that will prosper are the real american heroes – the local record store owners.
I’m no legal expert but from what I do know they don’t usually extend your bail if they have lack of evidence. It’s usually the exact opposite, they extend it if they have evidence you might be a flight risk or whatever.
In a case like this bail doesn’t have much to do with anything about being charged with crimes or not. They don’t need to keep in jail to charge him, they can let him go and still charge him with a crime way down the road.
Sounds to me like the have some type of evidence he is a flight risk or something along those lines. Keep in mind they have to convince a judge why they want to extend bail and no judge is going to extend bail without a good reason.
Anyway in summary i think it’s the opposite of what some of you may think. Sounds to me like they do have evidence, hence the reason they were allowed to extend the bail.
Best music and apps tracker in the world I had invite and game them to mates and they loved me for it.
its pissed me off when reports that u had to pay a monthly fee that was total rubbish I donated £10 and it was money well gifted.
hope everthing goes well for Oink and it “staff”
Cheers
PBoy
You all know that nothing like this will ever stop ripping/copying/sharing world. There has been so many busts and shut downs and it surely will happen randomly in the future.
But all in all these agencies and labels, etc.. are powerless in their effort to “combat piracy” All they do is waste money doing this and the sharing world is ALWAYS a few steps ahead as a whole, ever since the “copy” function was created on a computer the sharing has begun, and it will never end. Groups of pppl numbering in what? 100s at the most? Create these “clever” little “copyguard” scemes to protect their media, but you have to realize there will then be thousands or more ppl accross the globe working to break it, do we succeed!! of course! always!
The people will do what the people want to do… and there are MILLIONS and MILLIONS who download everyday without any remorse. I can guarantee that piracy of all forms will continue to grow exponentially along with the internet itself.
It all comes simply comes down to adaptation of the industries to what the people want, if they continue they will fail miserably, plain and simple and we will still prevail
There is still a very strong community out there that made up Oink, and most of these people have their libraries that made up oink on their computers, so even that is not totally gone and there are plenty of other high quality sites that you will find it, only now a lot of ppl are anger and have no reason to not upload!
Keep doing all you do online! long live Oink and his awesome model!
So what is the new UltraMegaSuperOk
Oink????? there has got to be something out there…..
Usually I would be more upset at those against Oink…but a “meh” response is all the more upsetting. Have an opinion. How can you be indifferent about the consequences or lack thereof about the said events? They do and will impact you.It is your responsibility to dictate what occurs in your life and more importantly how you react to what occurs and a “meh” attitude will not only forbid your interpretation of progress but also hinder it by promoting oposing views.
oink is gay
It’s really a shame to see such a good
site like OiNK go down like that…we all know that justice will prevail and we will get our music back! You got our support here in the US! (Except the RIAA, those fuckers)
OiNK was horrid.
“the uppity mods and admins had no right to be as arrogant as they were; all they did was run a site that ripped off the scene.
anything you could get there you could get from any good ftp topsite”.
what utter bollocks,ive been a professional dj for 15 years and i found music on oink that i was after for literally years,methinks the people that slag off oink were the wankers that got chucked off or couldnt get and account.peace
and another thing,maybe if record companies didnt scam people 16,17 quid for albums that are sometimes 20 years old then maybe people wouldnt download,its fucking obscene the money these people make eg.metallica “master of puppets” 1986,the costly sum of £16.99 at my local cd shop for a 22 year old album.long live oink,there was NO equal.peace
Damn i miss OiNK! Hope alan wins the trial and soon. and then relaunch the site again. Donate something if you can afford it. We owe it to him.
[quote comment="281561"]” This was not a case of friends sharing music for pleasure. This was a worldwide network that got hold of music they did not own the rights to and posted it online.”
What’s the difference?[/quote]
[quote comment="281561"]” This was not a case of friends sharing music for pleasure. This was a worldwide network that got hold of music they did not own the rights to and posted it online.”
What’s the difference?[/quote]
No one expected 180,000 of us to be friends?
Personally I think ripping at 320 kbps (aac to top THAT off) is worth the price of a CD. While OiNK may have been great for previewing songs, get real, songs can be previewed in YouTube AMVs. And as far as rarities go which can’t be found on YouTube, even if the CD sucks, I’ll buy it for the rarity aspect (However none of my rarities suck :D). So while OiNK going away may be saddening, I think all of you who just used OiNK to preview music are forgetting that there are other ways to preview music before buying.
they aren’t going to find anything but a text file.
torrents will single-handedly bring down the recording industry and put music in the hands of it’s creators
[quote comment="285294"]oink is gay[/quote]
Wow, and how long did it take you to come up with and educated comment such as that? ? If you think OiNK was gay/horrid/(insert derogatory comment here) you probably: 1) Had your account closed because you never read the RULES or 2) You never even got an account, so you are pissed off you never got to experience the music nirvana the users of OiNK enjoyed.
10/23…..
oink was great. As far as the “uppity” critique is concerned, some of us like quality. I never minded the restrictions a bit.
One thing I can say, it was easy to get an account there. The gates were open a long time and people were given a chance to show they were good members.
The same can’t be said for waffles or whatcd.
They are far more “elitist” then oink ever was.
I liked OiNK, I never had a problem w/ the staff, I don’t really care for a revival of
OiNK anymore (thanks to What and Waffles) But I care more about Alan, hope he gets out soon and gets his life back on track :)
i wonder if he’ll open up oink after he gets out….lol that would be great
ok,is super
holy shit i loved oink
OiNK wasn’t just another tracker, it was really an archive to preserve music. You could find any artist, any album. It didn’t matter if the CD had never been released, only released to friends, or 50 copies were ever made, it was always there. It was so much more than any record shop or any online music store.
OiNK was simply the best.
well oink was awesome that is very true, but there werent all the albums, that is just nonsense to say that, i couldn’t find many albums which i was looking for, but i found also many that i was looking for :)
oink was pretty damn good. Does oink need money?
[quote comment="281341"][quote comment="281337"][quote comment="281315"][quote comment="281297"]“hundreds AND thousands of torrents”? Which is it?[/quote]
Both, obviously. The first presupposes the second…[/quote]
I think the correct turn of phrase is hundreds OF thousands…[/quote]
no…its a saying in england. The second guy is correct
Unfortunately i can see him getting found guilty, uk seem a bit crap at this sort of thing…[/quote]
No. It’s not a saying in England. The term IS “hundreds of thousands” even in England. “Hundreds and thousands” are a cake topping.
It’s sorta ironic, Cops going after a site called oink.
Like pigs vs pigs, weirrdd.
Bad pig vs Good pig
(p.s. I kinda don’t like calling cops pigs, just thought it was weeeeeeiirrdd)
“Hundreds and thousands” are a cake topping…… I like cake….and turtles.
[quote comment="281499"]OiNK was horrid.
the uppity mods and admins had no right to be as arrogant as they were; all they did was run a site that ripped off the scene.
anything you could get there you could get from any good ftp topsite.[/quote]
You are retarded
Good luck Alan.
Miss OiNK like mad it was everything a torrent site should be…
In my experience the longer the Bail process continues the WEAKER the case. The Police ALWAYS charge at the EARLIEST opportunity. They are under constant pressure regarding ‘targets’ and ‘resources’ to get ‘results’ within the SHORTEST period of time in relation to when the original arrest was made.
My finger’s are crossed for you O. Not that I believe you will need any luck.
All the respect in the world for Oink. I miss it, It opened me to music I never would have heard, and it made me part of an amazing community. Good luck and thank you for everything.
coppers always try to bust the most popular ‘pirates’ to set an example … but this time they screwed it big time.since they couldn’t to nothing to oinky till now , they won’t be able to do anything further.this is just police pressure and abuse.
they have or not proof … what’s proof anyway? he put pre-released albums on the tracker? no. then ? for hosting the tracker? well the policy was clear that stuff you upload you upload at your OWN “user” risk. where’s the illegality then ????
[quote comment="298539"]“Hundreds and thousands” are a cake topping…… I like cake….and turtles.[/quote]
the cake is a liar
Like many others here I used Oink as a way to sample music freely and always purchased the music if i liked to listen to it. I have not bought a single CD since Oink died either…
I listened to OiNK.cd it was the best radio station ever!
[quote comment="296916"][quote comment="281341"][quote comment="281337"][quote comment="281315"][quote comment="281297"]“hundreds AND thousands of torrents”? Which is it?[/quote]
Both, obviously. The first presupposes the second…[/quote]
I think the correct turn of phrase is hundreds OF thousands…[/quote]
no…its a saying in england. The second guy is correct
Unfortunately i can see him getting found guilty, uk seem a bit crap at this sort of thing…[/quote]
No. It’s not a saying in England. The term IS “hundreds of thousands” even in England. “Hundreds and thousands” are a cake topping.[/quote]
Yes, “hundreds and thousands” IS a saying in England. It might not make sense, but people do say it. I have heard it often. It is also the name of a cake/ice cream topping.
Bye OiNK, I loved you mate
You know, to see all these thousands, possibly millions of members and users of torrents, and we cannot freely use this great networking and future of networking through out the world, that the government themselves built, makes no sense to me. This world is our world. Just because some asshole has found a new way to make a new law to make themselves and the government money fucking over other people for there genius does not mean any of this will stop. We will not stop, this is to huge for them to stop. Like when they made alcohol illegal. Didn’t last for to long did it? Why is it some recently made up corporation of maybe a few hundred people or less from some nowhere place take away something important from millions of people. Music feeds our souls and provides us with fulfillment of other aspects of our lives may lack. The only person that I can think of is Hitler and Nazi Germany, that had tried to take away human rights from other people. In the end what happened to Hitler? And what happened to Hitlers new found world? It crumbled, the same thing that is happening to the record industry because we are fed up with all the corporate bullshit music we are given and told to like or forced to listen to on the radio. I am sick of these companies cranking out these shit ass bands that all sound the same, or even steal exact harmonies from other bands. There is no future in music in these corporations. There is no intelligence in these corporations. I believe we will fight to the end for what we truly believe in and that is the freedom of choice. And in the end we will win. Where there is a will there is a way. Theoretically you would think we could pass a legality to allow torrent sites, because there are so many users. Instead these corporations have found a way to make more money, which I am sure are owned by the record companies, and in turn they work with the government, because the government can make a new law and make more money for itself in turn taking away our freedom without us giving consent. Why don’t we have a law that we can vote on for in congress?? Why hasn’t there been a law that we can pass like this yet? I think it’s about time we have all had enough of this bullshit and stand up for what we really want. We are all independents and have the freedom of choice to subject ourselves to so long as it is not in doing harm to anyone else, less they be harming us to begin with. Which is exactly what these record companies have done, they have robbed us of our music, our riches, this is not about money anymore, this is about creativity, art and passion, the essence of music. Without us the artists where would these corporations be? And when we find a way to become self sufficient businesses of our own, you Mr. Big Shot Record Company will be out of business, because you lack the creative talent the artist does, all you know how to do is rob us of our freedom.
I was a very loyal PU+ Of OiNK. I miss OiNK. I think tactics like the above delivered the message they were after. However, They’ve failed to realize the force that drove the website and it’s users. OiNK will never die, nor will the ideals behind the site. Enjoy the new sites, there’s more to come.
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China murdering Tibetan monks….international silence!!
China arming the Janjaweed in Darfur to kill Africans…..international silence!!
China now the #1 polluter in the world….international silence!
OINK?….international condemnation!!
Whoever said oink was rippin off the scene is a idiot.
Unfortunately I never found out about oink until after its closure hit the headlines. however, I’d like it to be known that I have a HUGE collection of music, some legit, some pirated. Howevever, 90% of it is 15+ years old. Why? Modern music sucks balls in my opinion. Selling the same rehashed shit for the highest profit possible has taken over any attempt to produce something new and interesting, hence why I haven’t bought an album for the last 3 years.
UK Law is an arse. We have known terrorist preachers on our shores claiming all sorts of benefits. We have eastern European gangsters living on the state while still trading in the slave trade.
For this very reason, if Alan has got a half decent lawyer, then they will trounce the charges levelled at him, because it is his rights that are being threatened.
In a communist society, we would share everything, and in a capitalist society, we charge for everything.
The modern world must be a mix of both extremes, otherwise we will all stagnate. History is replete with examples of criminal activities that changed the way we are today. The biggest is the slave trade, which has done more to eradicate racism than any other measure. Some of our most prominent members of society had ancestors who were slave. Where would those prominent people be today, if it wasn’t for the trade.
Bittorrent is no different. It is a medium that effectively allows us to share large volumes of media. In the future, the industry WILL embrace such technology, or they will fade into oblivion.
What Alan Ellis and countless others are doing is to show the world that there are better ways to deliver the goods than the industry would have us believe.
Modern industry is based on scams and fraud. Take a cleaning solution. When it first appears on the shelves, it does exactly what it is supposed to, yet over the years it degrades until the manufacturer releases a ‘NEW AND IMPROVED’ formula, which is probably the original formula in the original strength.
Our world is one big scam, with the money bigwigs thinking of all sorts of ways to extract our hard earnt cash from our wallets. We are even encouraged to buy on credit, being led to believe that we are not wholesome if we don’t.
The complacency of the industry is now proving it’s downfall. Information is far more accessible. In the old days, if your boss told you to do something, you did, but you can now check on the internet to see if he is breaking a law. That is the power of information.
Sharing is caring. I often lend CDs to friends so that they can sample my own taste in music, yet even this simple action is a crime. If I lent someone my lawnmower, it is not a crime, yet lend them music or videa, and it is.
It is blatantly apparent that the copyright laws are woefully out of date with the people. Laws are for the people, not to be used against them. If the masses want to share, a small minority cannot stop them. If they do, then this is the precursor for a revolution.
After all, who wants to start paying for the air that they breath? We already pay private companies for our water…
I didn’t get music off of OiNK to “sample” it, I got it to listen to it. If I want to give money to the artist(s) (in most cases if they are good, I do), I go to concerts. Many of the artists I’ve come to love would’ve remained unknown to me if not for sites like OiNK.
Is oink ever going to come back as used to be?
I miss them so much!
All torrent networks are networks of thieves who don’t respect private property and personal efforts to make something. I’m spending my money and my time making something valuable but you are taking it just for nothing and crying all over the cyberspace that your rights are violated!! Are you nuts,people?? Please go and make something similar to what you are stealing, and give it for free, and i would understand that you are a fair user of collective mind and effort, but most of you are just leechers, and not contributors neither to society not to even yourself!!!
oink was the best thing to happen to music since invention of the drum. i dont even know where to buy the music i used to find on oink.
Quality music isnt made with money, personally i hate the idea of people just imagining what people like and make after that. stupid pop that dont have any real hearts except for the idea of wealth and arrogance. real music comes from the heart and is given free. i dont share music with others cause i want them to look up at me, or that i would get such a grand piece in return. its a cry out of how lovely this is and my heart is filled with joy while im able to share this with someone i dont know.
all music should be free, and people could be happy with the people that wants to support them for their work. they should not be bound with greed or laws or goverments that want to destroy the little freedom people have on earth(information). they will never stop it, the whole struggle is stupid. putting up propaganda, and making some good places look bad.
its also proven that sharing networks make people increase their interests in music and recreation, so they buy more music. i would say to this goverment with forgiveness: i dont care what u do, but please stop listening to the stupidity of false hope like reasoning.
So many people, almost like a country of its own. the rulers of this world should listen and see the choices of their people. this freedom is what good leaders should support. obviously its the whole idea of democrazy?
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The communist idea “take what you need-give what you can” so far proved itself useless in reality.Most people are just leechers in life and don’t appreciate anything,unless they’ve paid for it.
When you downloading the music, have you ever asked the person who wrote it(or to whom it belongs) for the permission to download it?
Please, try and make your own song, go to the studio and create your own CD with that precious song, count the time and effort and money you’ve put in it,and ONLY at that moment you may appreciate the hard work of others…. until that, the Government has no alternative as to shut down sites like oink….
what pissed me off was when I found out how OinK was scaming the members. Remember there was always that lame little tally in the corner that said something like $330 donated towards our goal of $500 or some such shit?
It came out in the newspapers that he was taking in tens of thousands per month! They weren’t scraping up enough money to buy a used server! They were shopping for new toys.
I didn’t know OiNK existed until I bought an iPod and decided to go get some good, new music.
About two days after my investment was made, OiNK was shut down.
R.I.P. OiNK, I didn’t know you, but I can tell by your enormous support base that you were a fantastic website and sharing database.
i love how the pigs of the land bust a little bit of filesharing when theres child porn rings, and massive drug cartels, everywhere ruining society. Oh well, as long as the hollywood jews get there money all is well.
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[quote comment="330450"]what pissed me off was when I found out how OinK was scaming the members. Remember there was always that lame little tally in the corner that said something like $330 donated towards our goal of $500 or some such shit?
It came out in the newspapers that he was taking in tens of thousands per month!
They weren’t scraping up enough money to buy a used server! They were shopping for new toys.[/quote]
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