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OiNK Database Didn’t ‘Self Destruct’, Wasn’t Encrypted But Users Safe?

Following the raid at OiNK, many of the 180,000 members are very concerned about what’s happening with their details. The rumor: The OiNK database was encrypted and self-destructed. The truth: It wasn’t and it didn’t but ex-users still might be safe. In the meantime, OiNK got fired from his job.

Yesterday, in the wake of the OiNK takedown, we made a report about possible action against Norwegian BitTorrent trackers. In it we revealed that a tipoff suggested that the OiNK database had been equipped with a ‘self-destruct’ mechanism and was also encrypted.

‘OiNK’ himself participated in a short Q&A and the truth is that this is not the case. Here is a rundown of the salient points:

The raid was completely unexpected and came with no warning at all but steps had already been taken to protect the users. Although there was no ‘self-destruct’ or encryption according to OiNK, “the logs we store aren’t enough to incriminate users.” This will come as a huge relief to ex-members of OiNK.

A Cleveland Police spokesman told The Telegraph: “It is too early to tell if we will go after individuals, it all depends on what we find.”

OiNK is accused of conspiracy to defraud and copyright infringements with police questioning OiNK for hours after which he was eventually released. It became apparent that the police had limited technical knowledge which, according to OiNK “made the interview quite amusing.”

OiNK’s father – who was also dragged into this, is fine – although the police took his laptop.

There was an implication that a backup of the site may exist, although this is unconfirmed and there is no news yet that the forums will be restored for the purposes of music discussion. Additionally, it’s unclear if OiNK remains the owner of the OiNK.CD domain.

Sites have been cropping up claiming to collect donations for legal defense but according to OiNK there aren’t any that potential donators should feel comfortable donating to right now.

Certain changes had been made to the OiNK site and IRC channel in recent weeks security-wise and there was a suggestion that this may have been because a raid was expected. OiNK has denied this and confirmed these changes were a coincidence.

In echoes of what happened to Alexander Hanff (admin of the BitTorrent tracker DVDR-Core) Alan Ellis aka OiNK has been fired from his IT Consultant job following the raid but has refused to elaborate on what grounds his employer – Virgin Media in Stockton-on-Tees – chose to dismiss him.

It’s hugely commendable that OiNK has taken the time to come out and give the community timely facts. Alan told The Daily Telegraph: “I haven’t done anything wrong. I don’t believe my website breaks the law. They don’t understand how it works.”

Stay Tuned

Update: Seems like someone involved in the takedown left an administrative message on the OiNK site (thanks for the tips DaanRiver and R10T):

OiNKmsg

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  • Phil

    I can imagine what the interview was like.

    Police: “Is it true you’ve been downloading music on to your website?”

    OiNK: **Chuckles**

  • Anonymous

    Does this mean all private tracker sites dont hold enough user information to incriminate them?!

  • blues

    wow thats good info thanks homie

  • Anonymous

    ‘pedro’: flacinhell in action again

  • Anonymous

    I feel a bit safer now- it’s a bit unnerving knowing someone else is trying to track you down!

    I wish all the best to Oink, I’m sure he will prevail and go on to better things.

  • anon oinker

    since the feds now have access to oink’s paypal account, they can easily go after all the oink doners based on paypal transaction id #s.

    any doners try to close their paypal account yet?

  • system

    [quote comment="195332"]Does this mean all private tracker sites dont hold enough user information to incriminate them?![/quote]
    The evidence sitting in databases and log files is purely circumstantial. It gives figures for how much you *might* have uploaded and downloaded, but is not evidence that you have ever up/downloaded any copyrighted material.

    As to the self destruct and encryption claims, I explained elsewhere (FST) why they were BS. It’s easy enough to see right through those claims if you have even the slightest experience.

  • blues

    since the feds now have access to oink’s paypal account, they can easily go after all the oink doners based on paypal transaction id #s.

    any doners try to close their paypal account yet?

    again they cannot go after paypal accounts those wher DONATIONS

  • patashnik

    OiNk simple was giving the opportunity to share your music with people around the world. thats the main point. why is it illegal? yes maybe some guys are, seeders, but there wasnt anything wrong with laws concerning OiNK.

  • Anonymous

    Why can they use his domain? It is so retarded. I hope there is a inquiry into this. Did they hack it or did the host allow them to change it?

  • blah

    well im glad its safe to say the logs didnt have enough evidence to incriminate the users

  • fdgsdf

    Are oink and tmt 2 different persons?

  • me

    Thanks for giving us an update OiNK, good luck

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="195379"]Why can they use his domain? It is so retarded. I hope there is a inquiry into this. Did they hack it or did the host allow them to change it?[/quote]

    im sure that once they found the servers where he was hosting the site, they took the servers and left some linux box to broadcast the little ifpi message

  • fred

    [quote comment="195345"]since the feds now have access to oink’s paypal account, they can easily go after all the oink doners based on paypal transaction id #s.

    any doners try to close their paypal account yet?[/quote]

    On what grounds?

  • Atomic

    The people that say they know about computers. I can’t believe how much alot of them actually DON’T know. When I read the article hinting at a ‘self destruct’ and database encrypting, I immediately thought ‘ah ha…NO!’

    Although they sound really cool and very useful, there is a high probability that those mechanisms wouldn’t of been in place for obvious reasons.

    The auto self destruct while possibly very sneaky wouldn’t of been used because of the very high possibility that something could of gone wrong and the entire DB would of been lost. For example the ISP could of had unforseen network downtime for a few hours. A piece of hardware could of failed. Simple common things such as this could of easily stopped the server from receiving it’s “do not destroy” messages and would of easily resulted in loss of the entire DB.

    Full DB encryption…You wish…First of all encryption hampers performance and slows things down. This may be ok for a small site, but for the number of users that OiNK had this would of cut severly into their servers’ resources. Secondly for a website that has information that can change and needs to also be retrieved from the database and displayed in a human readable form, means that the data needs to be able to be decrypted. So not only would you be wasting resources encrypting the data, you’d also spend the same amount of time decrypting it. If you did need to decrypt data then you’d need to know what the formula and key is that was used in the first place. The formula or key has to be stored somewhere in a readable manner. Thus making the whole thing useless once the key is found out.

    Some things such as usernames, passwords, or even IPs (for tracking ratio data etc) for indivisual user account can be encrypted using 1 way encryption, as you don’t need to know display these things to a human. The moment information needs to become readable you need to either be able to decrypt it with a known key or not encrypt it in the first place.

    While private trackers may be harder to join, the moment the “bad” people get in, your only hope is that the private tracker doesn’t keep track of anything. In which case, this usually doesn’t happen because they’re trying to enforce share ratios. A lot of private trackers record not only your share ratio and IP, but each torrent you ever downloaded/uploaded. At the moment the safest private tracker is one that only records your share ratio and nothing else. The next safest private tracker is one that records nothing identifiable, and at the moment I have yet to see this. Doing this also sort of defeats the purpose of being a private tracker, unless you want a private community that doesn’t care about share ratios

  • ScytheNoire

    they should setup servers in areas that are rigged with explosives. any one enters the server room without disarming the explosives, BOOM!

    yes, i am a twisted fuck. but i think it would serve those who break the law right. by break the law, i mean the raiders, not the server hosts.

  • oinker

    just thinking about something… I know they can’t get at me for donating to OiNK, but couldn’t they find out my name, realise that I’ve been using OiNK, come to my house, seize my computers and find out that I have indeed uploaded music illegaly to other people?

    i’m thinking about selling my 2 computers i’ve used to download and get me 2 new ones…

  • Danny

    OiNK,
    You are a god!
    I don’t care what anyone else says,
    You have made me buy more Cds then in the limewire days and before that.
    The users have shown me some great bands that have changed my life, as sad as it sounds, I am so into some many different types of music right now that it as opened up a whole new life for me.
    As sad as it all sounds, its true =P
    In OiNK we trust!

  • emb

    There are short circuits that you can setup in a db. Granted they can only be as good as the programmer/implementer that designed them. Anyone who has coded to a decent degree knows that you can obfuscate to no end to make things more difficult to take apart. Regardless, oink knew this day would come sooner or later and sounds like he had good plans in place. Thanks oink.

  • Mora til Tondel

    “Criminal investigation by IFPI [...]“?? This is usually only done by the police, and only the police, not by an organization representing the artists.

    Investigation should always be done by the (neutral) police, and not by an organization with huge interest in a conviction, who collect evidence based on this and say to the media that the accused is guilty.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="195341"]‘pedro’: flacinhell in action again[/quote]

    Dude…I forgot about that asshole. What a prick. Not surprised he would stoop so low.

  • Ink

    How long will ppl keep asking these stupid questions!?
    This is why p2p has such a bad reputation – a lot of the users know virtually nothing about what they’re doing but still feel so l33t because you joined some site.
    All you idiots (and I’m NOT talking about every member here) do not deserve to get anything for free… just go and buy your crap!!!

    And YES! You will have to burn all your computers cancel all your internet subscriptions and never come back… the net will be a better place without you.

  • Marc

    oinkybank seems to be getting a lot of donations

    looks like oink will be able to afford OJ’s lawyer soon.

    oh wait, he’s dead.

    damn

  • -000-

    [quote comment="195396"]The people that say they know about computers. I can’t believe how much alot of them actually DON’T know. When I read the article hinting at a ‘self destruct’ and database encrypting, I immediately thought ‘ah ha…NO!’

    Although they sound really cool and very useful, there is a high probability that those mechanisms wouldn’t of been in place for obvious reasons.

    The auto self destruct while possibly very sneaky wouldn’t of been used because of the very high possibility that something could of gone wrong and the entire DB would of been lost. For example the ISP could of had unforseen network downtime for a few hours. A piece of hardware could of failed. Simple common things such as this could of easily stopped the server from receiving it’s “do not destroy” messages and would of easily resulted in loss of the entire DB.

    Full DB encryption…You wish…First of all encryption hampers performance and slows things down. This may be ok for a small site, but for the number of users that OiNK had this would of cut severly into their servers’ resources. Secondly for a website that has information that can change and needs to also be retrieved from the database and displayed in a human readable form, means that the data needs to be able to be decrypted. So not only would you be wasting resources encrypting the data, you’d also spend the same amount of time decrypting it. If you did need to decrypt data then you’d need to know what the formula and key is that was used in the first place. The formula or key has to be stored somewhere in a readable manner. Thus making the whole thing useless once the key is found out.

    Some things such as usernames, passwords, or even IPs (for tracking ratio data etc) for indivisual user account can be encrypted using 1 way encryption, as you don’t need to know display these things to a human. The moment information needs to become readable you need to either be able to decrypt it with a known key or not encrypt it in the first place.

    While private trackers may be harder to join, the moment the “bad” people get in, your only hope is that the private tracker doesn’t keep track of anything. In which case, this usually doesn’t happen because they’re trying to enforce share ratios. A lot of private trackers record not only your share ratio and IP, but each torrent you ever downloaded/uploaded. At the moment the safest private tracker is one that only records your share ratio and nothing else. The next safest private tracker is one that records nothing identifiable, and at the moment I have yet to see this. Doing this also sort of defeats the purpose of being a private tracker, unless you want a private community that doesn’t care about share ratios[/quote]

    It wouldn’t be that hard to create encrypted environment for a tracker. Even basic Debian installer offers encrypted LVM partitions and the performance hit is only few per cents of CPU time and if that is a concern you can always create temporary disk in memory and use the critical parts of the database from there and sync periodically to physical disk. Even better option is to buy faster processor because hardware is cheap compared to what you might have to pay once you are caught by the police.

  • newb

    is anyone looking at why the hell it says Pedro ?? the way it is worded quite cearly shows it woudnt be one of their employes or computer experts that message is for… if its related to that shitty site admin that oh dear wtf has come of p2p

  • cheesecake

    This was /not/ flacinhell’s doing: flacinhell actually liked OiNK fine, but actively went against Pedro (due to the fact it was a pay-to-leech site). Not sure I’d put it past Pedro though.

  • Atomic

    [quote comment="195447"]
    It wouldn’t be that hard to create encrypted environment for a tracker. Even basic Debian installer offers encrypted LVM partitions and the performance hit is only few per cents of CPU time and if that is a concern you can always create temporary disk in memory and use the critical parts of the database from there and sync periodically to physical disk. Even better option is to buy faster processor because hardware is cheap compared to what you might have to pay once you are caught by the police.[/quote]

    Encrypted LVMs haven’t been around very long in a stable, easy to setup and easy to use form. And at the moment an encrypted LVM needs to be setup before the installation of a system goes onto that partition. That means starting basicly from scratch. And I don’t think OiNK has had a system rebuild recently.

    As for the Pedro thing. I wouldn’t be jumping to conclusions. Depending where you live in the world, and the type of people you associate with, ‘Pedro’ can have a number of meanings, even when used in the context that it was on that page. It could refer to a number of things from being a person’s actual name to just being a generic reference for a person. People shouldn’t just go jumping to conclusions based on very little to no evidence

  • Anonymous

    FlacInHell….What a joke he is. Don’t agree with him and he will try to hackyou, threaten to turn you into authorities, and fail miserably at all his attempts. People used to be afraid of what he might do as far as getting people busted but after 3 years they now just laugh at him as all he can seem to do is make idle threats that he never backs up. It is kind of amusing to watch him though as it is hard to believe that someone who fails so miserably can be so persistent.

  • Ink

    On the fly encryption has been around since 2.4.something.
    I’m guessing oink knew enough to to use -loop ^^ you are right about the easy lvm setup part though… but we are not talking click’n go here. For someone with only a little knowledge linux encryption on kernel basis has been around longer than oink was.
    I’ve never used it myself on something as big as oink though… but there are better/faster commercial ways to encrypt you stuff – its just a question if you’re willing to pay for it.

    Also OiNK being from the UK he’d have to decrypt his stuff anyway or go to jail for not decrypting it… so it basically comes down to whats less ‘criminal’ the stuff that you encrypted or not decrypting it.

  • wepo

    If an encrypted LVM volume wouldn’t work, the GELI with FreeBSD would. Encrypting harddrives really isn’t that difficult or demanding – the FreeBSD handbook even has a guide to encrypting your swap space.
    If OiNK knew what he was doing, and I personally think he did, then everything’s set up just fine, self-destructing databases or not.

  • Mathias

    [quote comment="195404"]i’m thinking about selling my 2 computers i’ve used to download and get me 2 new ones…[/quote]
    Remove the harddrives and when the police show up you burn them. Put on a steak and ask if they want’t some ^^.

  • Anonymous

    Goddam! the feds are bent. The law can be shaped around you

  • chippie

    OiNK have changed my life. Opening up such many new doors to new music showed me that there are more possibilities in life than just the mainstream one.
    Also; since I joined OiNK, I’ve bought like more than ten albums on lp and cd.
    Before that, I never bought anything else than perhaps “Absolute Music” once in a while.

    I wish OiNK all best, you fucking ROCK! You know you’re right.

  • stigmelk

    Very good article, thanks man.

    “They don’t understand how it works.”
    -I thought the same when OiNK was taken down.

  • Anton

    Hmmm, MTV picked this story up as well: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1572693/20071024/index.jhtml#

    Would have been nicer if MTV was still MusicTelevision, and not Reality-Show-Crap-House….But still it is read rather nice, and not like the BBC report…

  • little_piggy

    how will this affect my ratio?

  • hoodlum

    from irc chat with OiNK:

    [quote]
    smartface> did they actually question you?
    OiNK> of course, for hours
    OiNK> the police had very limited technical knowledge, which made the interview quite amusing actually.
    OiNK> i wasn’t willing to teach them how to use a computer
    OiNK> they actually wanted me to teach them how to set up a website
    OiNK> i just told them to google it.
    [/quote]

  • Hellraiser

    If the powers that be haved figured out a way to attack and dismantle the current torrent-structure and community then its simply a matter of evolving.

    If we end up losing the fight then what’s needed is a new method, approach to P2P that doesn’t require trackers or utilizes them in a different manner. The technology is there its just a matter of revising our thinking.

  • investment oinker

    [quote comment="195435"]oinkybank seems to be getting a lot of donations
    [/quote]

    oinkybank.com has to be a scam. Owner is myspace.com/revolustream …

  • Anonymous

    what’s wrong with a dm-crypt encrypted partition and the db on it? it’s not hard to setup at all.

  • azlan

    surely if they didn’t log IP’s, and diddnt take your name and adress, then it would be totaly safe, as theres nothing else personally identifiable on the system that i can think of

  • evox

    [quote comment="195544"]from irc chat with OiNK:

    [quote]
    smartface> did they actually question you?
    OiNK> of course, for hours
    OiNK> the police had very limited technical knowledge, which made the interview quite amusing actually.
    OiNK> i wasn’t willing to teach them how to use a computer
    OiNK> they actually wanted me to teach them how to set up a website
    OiNK> i just told them to google it.
    [/quote][/quote]

    HAHA hilarious :D

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="195404"]just thinking about something… I know they can’t get at me for donating to OiNK, but couldn’t they find out my name, realise that I’ve been using OiNK, come to my house, seize my computers and find out that I have indeed uploaded music illegaly to other people?

    i’m thinking about selling my 2 computers i’ve used to download and get me 2 new ones…[/quote]

    If you or anyone else is worried about them seizing your shit and checking the hard drives, DBAN boot and Nuke, wipes the hard disk seven times, the govt won’t be able to find your shit guaranteed

  • fskof

    The key things that would leave users in trouble are:

    logging IP addresses

    logging torrents downloaded

    logging torrents uploaded

    As far as I remember, oink did all three of those. They have to log IPs so they can ban cheaters, right? And I’m pretty sure I saw the IP address I was using (my neighbor’s wireless) in my profile (with an “only visible to you” notice, but still recorded in there.)

    They also had a list of torrents you snatched, as well as what you uploaded. I didn’t notice any of the recent changes, so maybe they wiped some of that information from the database? That would be great, if they have your IP but don’t know what you were doing on the site, there’s not much they can get you for. They can’t accuse you of downloading music, since you might just have been downloading fonts, for example. Still illegal, but I don’t think they can get away with, “well, your honor, we don’t know what he was downloading, but we’re pretty sure it was something illegal!” And there was some legally redistributable content on oink, the only restriction was that it couldn’t easily be freely found on the Internet. That means that your 500 GB you downloaded *could* have all been legal.

    I think an important tip for any private tracker would be to allow freely available, legal content, and not log who downloads what (e.g., make Linux distributions available, or something like that.) That way getting a copy of the user database wouldn’t be incriminating.

    But I wouldn’t be surprised here if the police didn’t know what was going on. The media companies told them “people are paying for pre-release music and here’s how to stop it” (either out of malice or ignorance) and the police took the servers and took Allen into custody to investigate. Actually, it would be funny if they intentionally lied to the police and Allen sues them. Maybe I’m just deluding myself, though.

  • OiNK

    I made millions off you losers and the feds got nothing on me. get a life and stop jockin my nuts.

    -OiNK

  • Hunter

    You can put self destruct stuff in any app but I don’t see the point.

    Just don’t log anything that’s all.

    If there is a login the only thing on the server are a bunch of password and user name. That’s all.

    Beside anything can go wrong trigering the self destruct for no reason.

  • Anonymous

    honestly i dont think he should be antagonizing and poking fun, tempting the authorities to “dig deeper” just yet….

  • Mike
  • beef2000

    god bless this site, thanks for keeping me updated.

  • tbh

    Police: ‘We have this HDD it will prove you guilty then you and your users will have a real problem!!!’

    OiNK: ‘Sir, this is a CPU :o ‘

  • john

    [quote comment="195566"][quote comment="195544"]from irc chat with OiNK:

    [quote]
    smartface> did they actually question you?
    OiNK> of course, for hours
    OiNK> the police had very limited technical knowledge, which made the interview quite amusing actually.
    OiNK> i wasn’t willing to teach them how to use a computer
    OiNK> they actually wanted me to teach them how to set up a website
    OiNK> i just told them to google it.
    [/quote][/quote]

    HAHA hilarious :D[/quote]

    Erm, this is a common interrogation trick. Interrogator plays dumb, interrogant becomes cocky, starts talking more freely, tries to tout his prowess. Do you really think they really wanted to know how to set up a website from this guy? It was a roundabout way of questioning designed to look innocuous. (Maybe they were trying to figure out what resources he used to setup Oink or an admission that he did set up Oink).

    Never answer questions without a lawyer.

  • me

    lol at tbh’s comment

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="195592"]If your looking for alternatives to Oink, try;

    http://blog.buttermouth.com/2006/10/undiscovered-ways-to-get-free-music.html/quote

    Yeah, but thats for listening, I want it for my own, and I don’t want to pay.

  • Becky
  • Disgruntled

    Fuck the Police.

  • Anonymous
  • Randy
  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="195583"]The key things that would leave users in trouble are:

    logging IP addresses

    logging torrents downloaded

    logging torrents uploaded

    As far as I remember, oink did all three of those. They have to log IPs so they can ban cheaters, right? And I’m pretty sure I saw the IP address I was using (my neighbor’s wireless) in my profile (with an “only visible to you” notice, but still recorded in there.)

    They also had a list of torrents you snatched, as well as what you uploaded.[/quote]

    Actually, just because it displays the IP you are logged in from doesn’t indicate it’s being stored. In fact, Paine himself indicated that they didn’t log IPs for snatches in his blog. (http://tehpaine.blogspot.com/) Check the quote below.

    [quote=Paine]A few people have asked me if we logged the IP you snatched things from. The answer is no, we did not log snatch IPs.[/quote]

    So, yeah.

  • Anonymous

    but folks who just snatched didnt stay around due to ratio bans. anyone carrying a acceptable ratio surely got logged no?

  • Anonymous

    yes, of course. How else could it work?

  • Anonymous

    i just don’t understand how oink and the other mods are claiming that their servers didn’t hold enough info to incriminate users.

  • fdgsdf

    [quote comment="195643"]uh-oh:

    http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2202030/uk-government-plans-file/quote
    actually, I support chasing those who gain profits from selling pirated stuff
    but sharing music for free (like it was on oink) is ok for me

  • joey

    He is totally right, he made a website that allows to search music (like Google) and if you want to download you can. He doesn`t force you to download and if you download you get the files from other users not from him. Basically he made a free searching website that can use everybody who has an invite.

    The law sucks, I don`t know what they assume, nobody will buy as many albums as they download it, a lot of musician say that it is good to download music because a lot more people will know new bands, go their concerts etc.. and maybe they don`t buy their records because it`s so freaking expensive \ and the music companies (labels) get the most of the album`s prize, so this sucks too.

    There is no solotion… but this website was totally legal and amyba the members were breaking the law but not the founder.

    The police are stupid… we didn`t have to pay anything and didn`t have to upload pre-release stuff, they should check what they investigating….

  • scepter

    misses oink,
    our torrent world collapsed,

    where is the good old music now,
    with all those music lovers,

    please say, “Here I am”

    ;-)

  • hoodlum

    http://www.scenemusic.eu
    by sceners.. for sceners

  • deap

    all this paranoia just before Halloween oooohhhhhh…LOLOLOLOL i loved OiNK but ive not laughed so hard at so many roaches running from the light in my life. don’t download and keep things you never plan on paying for if your THAT worried. its simple as that. Every time you see a police man in your neighborhood your going to have ulcers worrying if they are coming for you!!!

  • balabla

    [quote]OiNK has been fired from his IT Consultant job following the raid but has refused to elaborate on what grounds his employer – Virgin Media in Stockton-on-Tees – chose to dismiss him.[/quote]

    F*ck Virgin Media & Richard Branson corporate cocksucker

  • Anonymous

    Is there any hope that in the future OINK will be back under another name and it will recognized the old users?

    My life is shattered now. I’ll miss OINK dearly. It was so nice to get everything you wanted so fast.

    Oh man, I feel someone took my ice cream! :-(

  • scepter

    not only took my ice cream, also took my wine, my food, my pleasure
    ;-

  • limmey

    Yej kinda sucks that they are down..like yu said they will return…

    http://galacticcentral.org/

  • Anonymous

    Can they really go after everyone?
    Or think they’ll just go after Power Users?

  • joey 5

    PLEASE EVERYONE ERAD THE BLOG IT ANSWERS ALL YOUR QUESTIONS

    http://tehpaine.blogspot.com/

  • Anonymouss

    Well, think about it.. for the most part.. what did OiNK have?
    It wasn’t a gold mine of RIAA music downloaders or anything like that.
    Most of the music was either on extremely obscure limbs of the Big Four or not part of it at all.

    If they do try and press charges against users, I hope they have fun trying to sort through the masses of what they can sue on and what they can’t.

  • vrtgo1

    With OiNK, every day was like Christmas, which makes Mr. OiNK something like a pink digital Santa Claus.

    Give ‘em the good fight, Mr. OiNK!

  • devkinetic

    Is it just me, or does it seem that this whole thing is being done very unprofessional?

    All I’ve have seen are lies and distorted facts release by the parties involved with this action.

    I think rads and shutdowns are going to be increasing in the follow year in an attempt to scare the sites down, but all they can do is (try to) scare us. Well at least now I have a topic for my term paper…

    Sock it to ‘em OiNK!

  • Spanky69

    @ post 73, are you very mistaken. There’s not a lot you couldn’t find on OiNK. Was a great resource for software, and documents too.

  • Anonymouss

    Yeah, i’m aware of what was on oink, but the general populace of the coined audiophiles and “elite” generally earned their bandwidth off releases and whatnot from independently done albums and even open source programs.

    This isn’t to say people used it for that stuff as well because there was a hefty program collection as well.

    But for the most part, programs are usually deterred from being even cared about in cases like this i’d assume because its the music industry that is always involved in raids and cases.

    I still agree that its most likely a scare tactic as there’s not much they’re going to find in regards to infringement on the property they’re looking for in question.
    “These aren’t the droids you’re looking for.”

    =P

    at #75, hah i think you’re right, i might use this for a research paper or the likes when the time comes around. =D

  • anon

    I am extremely curious to know EXACTLY what was in those logs, but I have a feeling oink isnt allowed to talk about it and I doubt the euro authorities will share.

    I dont care if its only 10 gajillion cute pictures, I dont want the RIAA to have it.

  • Becky

    Oink.me.uk / Oink.cd
    Oinks Pink Palace
    Memorial Gear:

    http://www.cafepress.com/neverforgetoink

  • Anonymous

    can I ask about email address that you supply to sites such as oink.

    I would imagine this would be saved also would it not?

    A small point but I would hate to think the police have my email address

  • noob.

    blackhats will always win.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="195814"]can I ask about the email address that you supply to sites such as oink.

    A small point but I would hate to think the police have my email address[/quote]

  • Anonymous

    I agree all our emails are at the oink somewhere. I hope they were destroyed as well

  • Anonymous

    i was stupid enough to use a gmail account using my real name, I’m feeling really stupid and would probably make someone’s job really easy to prosecute me.

    But I’m hating all the attention this has brought to the community, also I don’t like the fact the ‘authorities’ haven’t giving a clear message to their course of action.

    apart from raiding the admin’s home and post that really badly designed page on the site

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="195827"]i was stupid enough to use a gmail account using my real name, I’m feeling really stupid and would probably make someone’s job really easy to prosecute me.

    But I’m hating all the attention this has brought to the community, also I don’t like the fact the ‘authorities’ haven’t giving a clear message to their course of action, apart from raiding the admin’s home and posting that really badly designed page on the site[/quote]

  • Renfru

    You crumbums! Just say that “Oink users should be scared that they will get sued” ..because right now the anti-piracy organizations aren’t looking to actually sue anyone, they just want people to get the impression that they shouldn’t pirate because they risk being sued. So let them use their scare tactics in this way.

    BUT INSTEAD you’re telling people to not be scared and this will really anger the anti-piracy organizations because they’ll feel as if people aren’t affected by the takedown of Oink and then they’ll probably actually create examples of out of those people. That’s just how scared and paranoid the industry has become..

  • Jim Bob

    What the fuck is Oink?

  • Anony

    Its a site full of cute piggys and bunnies and girly things

  • h33t

    Pedro Pete is everywhere it seems

  • Anonymous

    I love it how people portray Oink as a legal music sharing site.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="195687"]He is totally right, he made a website that allows to search music (like Google) and if you want to download you can. He doesn`t force you to download and if you download you get the files from other users not from him. Basically he made a free searching website that can use everybody who has an invite.

    The law sucks, I don`t know what they assume, nobody will buy as many albums as they download it, a lot of musician say that it is good to download music because a lot more people will know new bands, go their concerts etc.. and maybe they don`t buy their records because it`s so freaking expensive \ and the music companies (labels) get the most of the album`s prize, so this sucks too.

    There is no solotion… but this website was totally legal and amyba the members were breaking the law but not the founder.

    The police are stupid… we didn`t have to pay anything and didn`t have to upload pre-release stuff, they should check what they investigating….[/quote]

    Of course more people would download than buy it because it’s FREE you idiot!

  • Anonymous

    Don’t even think about cross-referencing Oink to that of a search engine. A search engine contains information that pertains only to what you search. In fact, it catalogs everything it can get its hands on but Oink clearly provide links to get illegal materials only. Get a life!

  • %

    [quote]Don’t even think about cross-referencing Oink to that of a search engine. A search engine contains information that pertains only to what you search.[/quote]

    So a sites legality is based on how accurate the search results are? That’s the oddest thing I’ve heard in… Quite a while.

  • Anonymous

    Well, this is enough for me to stop torrenting for a long while. Besides, there’s no other site anywhere near as complete as oink was.

  • hoodlum
  • Anonymous

    Very refreshing to know we’re safe from those bastards, even if they probably wouldn’t go after anyone anyways.

    I am curious as to how exactly there isn’t enough to incriminate us, yet still keep track of ratios and whatnot.

  • So users might be tracked?

    Damn, glad I didn’t join oink!

    To quote the Simpsons:

    Ha ha!
    (Sorry about that old chap)

  • Ink

    @Renfru
    I doubt that but it is a possibility. Never the less we’ve got to fight and you fight standing not lying down or bending over… copyright must change I seriously doubt we will lose this battle.
    P2P is changing the world, right now is our chance… you can’t undo what has already happened.
    We want freedom, freedom to decide what we pay for and nothing less.

  • joey

    Anonymous you are a jerk…. I just told my opinion if you don`t like don`t say anything, you don`t have comment everything, you not as important.

    Anyway I just say that free music download not the solution, maybe if we would pay a dollar or two for an album it would be great, I`m sure the labels would have much more income like now, cos it`s not a huge money so almost everybody would buy it.

    And myspace is a really god opportunity to get to know bands and stuff….

  • joey 5

    sorry for the bad english i`m from Hungary :D

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="195914"]Very refreshing to know we’re safe from those bastards, even if they probably wouldn’t go after anyone anyways.

    I am curious as to how exactly there isn’t enough to incriminate us, yet still keep track of ratios and whatnot.[/quote]

    thats what i want to know.

  • ACoolie

    Confirming that this was posted by some sort of IFPI or police agent, the message on Oink was generated with.. Microsoft Word.

  • Anonymous

    same happend to elitetorrents.org.. It was quite a another big site which was taken down by the FBI. It was in a period while i was playing GTA:VC. So about 2-3 years ago.
    That page also was made from Word (or maybe Frontpage)

  • Anonymous

    apparently Cary Sherman was just on CNN saying that they planned to file ‘several thousand’ lawsuits and that they were planning “shock and awe” against users

  • l’m scared to click

    oh what a mess this is !

    l think l only need to worry if you
    uploaded an EB or sum shiz!

    kB (kilobyte)
    MB (megabyte)
    GB (gigabyte)
    TB (terabyte)
    PB (petabyte)
    EB (exabyte)
    ZB (zettabyte)
    YB (yottabyte)

    l really don’t kno but l think even if you uploaded a 3mb mp3 or a wav
    then its the same az a GB ! l think l am confuzed or ?

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="195987"]apparently Cary Sherman was just on CNN saying that they planned to file ‘several thousand’ lawsuits and that they were planning “shock and awe” against users[/quote]

    Party’s over, entitlement bitches!

  • ywgflyer

    [quote comment="195987"]apparently Cary Sherman was just on CNN saying that they planned to file ‘several thousand’ lawsuits and that they were planning “shock and awe” against users[/quote]

    …proof? clip?

    I’m assuming this applies to US users only…?

  • Anonymous

    Stop posting bs theres no proof of them posting anything anywhere. I just checked CNN/Google News. Stop trying to scare people.

  • Anonymous

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

    Don’t break the law! What dumbass doesn’t know that by now????

  • Anonymous

    I’m not going to get all stressed out without a document from a well known newspaper or media outlet.

    And if this is true, why hasn’t oink himself been charged with anything?

  • Anonymous

    Even I could setup a torrent site…grab everyone’s ip addresses and fill a database with gigabytes of downloads…

    Not sure what a database proves..seems like they would have to have something else…which they probably could get from a cooperative isp.

  • Anonymous

    your an idiot.[quote comment="195997"]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

    Don’t break the law! What dumbass doesn’t know that by now????[/quote]

    moron

  • Anonymous

    EAD

  • Anonymous

    You guys are so dramatic, I don’t know if you have been to the United States lately, but let me fill you in. First off we’re fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the entire state of California is on fire. We’re on the brink of war with Iran, and Russia has decided that it wants to team up with them.

    The United States has better fucking things to do than beg the UK for logs from a torrent site that will probably all get thrown out in court. Not to mention how are they going to go handle “thousands” of law suits are you kidding me?

  • Anonymous

    yeah never mind, I posted that and it was a hoax

  • Anonymous

    Dunno…it seems that satelite companies in the US just did this a few years ago..

    I believe it was in Florida but I can’t remember the exact amount of people that were taken to court and fined.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="196009"]You guys are so dramatic, I don’t know if you have been to the United States lately, but let me fill you in. First off we’re fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the entire state of California is on fire. We’re on the brink of war with Iran, and Russia has decided that it wants to team up with them.

    The United States has better fucking things to do than beg the UK for logs from a torrent site that will probably all get thrown out in court. Not to mention how are they going to go handle “thousands” of law suits are you kidding me?[/quote]

    yeah, let’s all go rob some banks! Nobody’s watching, right???

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="196010"]yeah never mind, I posted that and it was a hoax[/quote]

    I posted it, and it’s true. I saw it myself.

  • Anonymous

    CNN is just California burning, and the site has nothing so yeah.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="196020"]CNN is just California burning, and the site has nothing so yeah.[/quote]

    It was on before Anderson Cooper’s show.

  • anon

    I just searched through the show transcripts, and cary sherman does not seem to have made an appearance tonight unless he was actually on anderson.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="196028"]I just searched through the show transcripts, and cary sherman does not seem to have made an appearance tonight unless he was actually on anderson.[/quote]

    dude, quit lying. There is no transcript for shit that happened an hour ago.

  • Anonymous

    Well I just went to CNN’s site to see if there were transcripts and there are, so yep nothing about this. Keep lying please.

  • Anonymous

    LOL. There’s NO TRANSCRIPT for CNN Headline News, you fucking retard.

  • Pants

    Well, Anderson Cooper isn’t on Headline News, so I guess there wouldn’t have to be transcripts for HLN now would there?

  • Anonymous

    oh for christ’s sake

    here’s the hoax’s origin:

    http://forums.hipinion.com/viewtopic.php?t=197356

  • P2P4Ever

    [quote comment="196035"]LOL. There’s NO TRANSCRIPT for CNN Headline News, you fucking retard.[/quote]

    I think you are mistaken as to who the retard is here…….

  • Anonymous

    knock this hoax shit off assholes.

  • Raymond.CC

    Even Google PR for Oink has dropped to “0″.

  • Devout Demonoider

    [quote comment="196009"]You guys are so dramatic, I don’t know if you have been to the United States lately, but let me fill you in. First off we’re fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the entire state of California is on fire. We’re on the brink of war with Iran, and Russia has decided that it wants to team up with them.

    The United States has better fucking things to do than beg the UK for logs from a torrent site that will probably all get thrown out in court. Not to mention how are they going to go handle “thousands” of law suits are you kidding me?[/quote]

  • ChaoticOrder

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRaVhG-Mb_0&NR=1

    Straight from the source, Oink did not log Ips with what you DLed

  • An0num0s

    [quote comment="195586"]I made millions off you losers and the feds got nothing on me. get a life and stop jockin my nuts.

    -OiNK[/quote]

    As much as I would love to say this guy isn’t OiNK just some idiot… Sadly, OiNK really is an asshole and a very good chance this really is a comment from him.

    Ohhh OiNK say cheeeese!

  • mxpayn1

    [quote comment="195354"]since the feds now have access to oink’s paypal account, they can easily go after all the oink doners based on paypal transaction id #s.

    any doners try to close their paypal account yet?

    again they cannot go after paypal accounts those wher DONATIONS[/quote]

    Did you just answer your own question or something? They cant go after people who donated to him if all the evidence they have is that person uploading and downloading material. Since theres no way to prove the material was copyrighted, it means everyone is safe regardless.

  • NEONE

    Fuck it…..

    somebody has to mirror all those torrents…

    alt.bin.oink NEONE?

    its gonna happen

  • NEONE

    LONG LIVE

    alt.bin.oink

  • Sanktum

    The telegraph article. . .

    Oink founder: We’re just like Google.

    and linked, on the right hand side of that same page. . .

    Militants use Google Earth to find targets.

    Someone should call the police.

  • Random CornEater From The Streets

    [quote comment="195656"][quote comment="195583"]The key things that would leave users in trouble are:

    logging IP addresses

    logging torrents downloaded

    logging torrents uploaded

    As far as I remember, oink did all three of those. They have to log IPs so they can ban cheaters, right? And I’m pretty sure I saw the IP address I was using (my neighbor’s wireless) in my profile (with an “only visible to you” notice, but still recorded in there.)

    They also had a list of torrents you snatched, as well as what you uploaded.[/quote]

    Actually, just because it displays the IP you are logged in from doesn’t indicate it’s being stored. In fact, Paine himself indicated that they didn’t log IPs for snatches in his blog. (http://tehpaine.blogspot.com/) Check the quote below.

    [quote=Paine]A few people have asked me if we logged the IP you snatched things from. The answer is no, we did not log snatch IPs.[/quote]

    So, yeah.[/quote]
    Wouldn’t that be entrapment?

  • Anonymous

    Ask your lawyer.

  • Infinity

    Oink, Demonoid, Isohunt, damn. Looks like torrents are going down. Who’s next?

  • Anonymous

    Fuk that, musicians already make too much money. Have you seen what ticket prices are now? Who the fuk do these guys think they are? They travel around for free and party with models. Plus any one can record a good album now at home on there computer. Im not feeling sorry for them.

  • pundit

    [quote comment="196182"]Oink, Demonoid, Isohunt, damn. Looks like torrents are going down. Who’s next?[/quote]

    Torrents this month/year. Something new, soon. This can’t be stopped.

    Tip your waiters and waitresses. Support financially music you enjoy. Don’t forget to floss.

    And let a bloated entertainment as lesiure industry hang itself by on its petard.

  • James

    “…musicians already make too much money. Have you seen what ticket prices are now? Who the fuk do these guys think they are? They travel around for free and party with models.”

    Don’t hate on the musicians so much. While the musicians you know about may seem to be living the good life, the majority are hardly traveling around for free and partying with models. It only looks that way because that’s the fantasy they are selling. And if they’re stuck with a major label, they may be famous but it’s likely that they are NOT rich.

  • Luke

    Lol, loves these guys who overreact.

  • Sheesh

    Atomic: Could HAVE, might HAVE, would HAVE, not OF. You seem literate enough, except for that annoying trait.

  • xD

    [quote comment="195345"]since the feds now have access to oink’s paypal account, they can easily go after all the oink doners based on paypal transaction id #s.

    any doners try to close their paypal account yet?[/quote]

    Simply donating to a site dosnt mean you downloaded music illegaly ;)

  • moo32

    [quote comment="196212"]Fuk that, musicians already make too much money. Have you seen what ticket prices are now? Who the fuk do these guys think they are? They travel around for free and party with models. Plus any one can record a good album now at home on there computer. Im not feeling sorry for them.[/quote]

    Musicians may be able to create their own recordings, but todays “popular” artists wouldn’t have a freakin clue.

    They are nothing but an image sold to the masses. They can’t write their own music, play their own instruments, many can’t even sing live and have to lip sync.

  • Grendel

    … And this is exactly why you don’t use private trackers. Hell, this is partly why the principle of keeping a tracker private is wrong to begin with. I tried to warn people against this in the past. Guess everyone has to learn the hard way.

  • peter

    [quote comment="195404"]i’m thinking about selling my 2 computers i’ve used to download and get me 2 new ones…[/quote]

    wtf! what difference would that make?

  • Anonymous

    Might as well remove the update. The page has since dissapeared.

  • encrypto

    If Oink had been using Truecrypt and an OTFE volume under linux, he could have been using the volume-within-a-volume method. Meaning, the moment the server was shut down the database would be encrypted/destroyed. The hidden volume would mean that even if he were forced to give his password to avoid going to jail under the UK’s laws, it could have opened up a volume that appeared to be the database but that had been jerry rigged to have false data or appear corrupted when the real database was inside the secondary unknown volume.

    I know it seems a bit long winded but there’s no reason it wouldnt work,especially considering on a database server you don’t exactly expect to reboot the machine frequently :)

    As for the comment that OTFE would be too slow for a database this is complete and utter nonsense. The performance hit is in the 1-5% region.

    People who run other torrent sites should think about this. You can encrypt the entire computer volume and thus remove all local evidence of your involvement.

  • MP

    “The raid was completely unexpected and came with no warning at all”

    What magic kingdom did he live in? Such a large, high quality site with frequent prereleases was sure to attract the attention of the industry and police.

  • OiNK.ms
  • Somebody

    I WANT to feel unnerved about this, but the facts are really making it difficult for me.

    1. I live in America, so I’m not TOO worried about the Dutch Police coming after me.

    2. Even though my account donated, it was a friend of mine that donated on my behalf so that I could give him an invite (yeah, it broke the rules….sue me). So they’d go after him before me =p.

    3. I’m one of 180k+ users, not to mention I only DL’d like 6 gigs of old content. I would be low on their priority list.

    All I have to worry about now is uploading my old Oink stuff to BOink.

  • Anonymous

    A knowledgeable Admin (BMTV) said:

    “Hate to rain on the feelgood parade, but a couple of points.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GoodOmens View Post
    An interesting tibit dug up on torrentfreak:

    a source has stated that the OiNK membership list was not only encrypted, but also equipped with a ‘self-destruct’ type mechanism which relied on a regular signal to continue in ‘OFF’ mode.

    Should be comforting to all the users^^
    That source doesn’t know too much about encryption.
    If the entire table was encrypted, the server would need a copy of the decryption key (in public/private keypair encryption) or another method for decrypting the contents in order to operate. A webserver cannot perform magic and call up details without decrypting. The police have the server which means they have the decryption key/method and it’ll take no time to get the plain text.

    The self wiping database may be true, and may not be. The problem with requiring a regular ‘signal’ comes when there are problems on either end that result in the signal not arriving. Leaseweb have had their share of problems lately, with something like 50-60% packet loss in one of their datacenters. The loss of signal would cause a downtime and loss of some stats as the site would have to be rolled back to a backup database. If that has never happened, it’s unlikely to be true.

    Even if it is true, you have to consider data forensic methodology. When dealing with HDDs for evidentiary purposes, you never work on the HDD in the original machine. You never even boot from that HDD.
    What the police teams will be doing is taking a copy of that drive before they do anything, then browsing the files with the drive attached as a non-booting slave. No cron jobs will run to wipe the database, no code will be running awaiting the ‘signal’, and all MySQL databases are copyable as files.
    All they have to do is copy all the files from that HDD to a clean MySQL install and they can read everything at will.

    The only thing that could save the data from being examined is if the users table was stored in a HEAP table (stored in memory). Even then, some data may have been written to disk as the table expands outside of memory allocation or is operated on with large join operations that would exceed available memory. In either case, data may be recoverable from disk.
    It’s unlikely the users table was stored only in memory though, as it means all data is lost on a power down or reset. Tables could be recovered from backups, but as the police have those anyway it kind of defeats the purpose of having it in memory only.”

  • Azazel

    Also from BMTV-Admin:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ……. View Post
    “For the record, from Paine’s blog:
    Edit 2: This is an important one — Your passwords do NOT need to be changed, they were stored as salted MD5 hashes. All the authorities have is the hashes. The only way they can get the original passwords is via brute force. The chances of that are slim to none if you followed standard good password practice.”

    A:
    Only if you follow good password procedure. If your password is kitten, it’s likely to be broken in under 30 seconds.
    The problem occurs because although password hashes are salted with a ‘secret’ key, the secret is stored alongside the hash. The MD5 hash of [secret]password[secret] is no harder to break in brute force than the MD5 of password, when you know what [secret] is. Because MD5 hashes are so quickly generated, if you used any regular word for your password a good dictionary attack will find it in seconds.

    The thing that should give people hope is that nothing found on the server can in anyway be used in a real case against any members. It is impossible to say whether a user with certain stats listed in the database shared even one copyright file, or that they uploaded the amount listed in the database.
    They may have filenames from the snatched table, but without having the exact file that was shared, the name of a file is not enough. I could share a file called starwars that was actually midget clown porn. Without a copy of that file, nobody can say it definately was or wasn’t starwars that was shared.

    All the talk of hunting down members is just BS on the part of the record industry, and they know it.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="195380"]well im glad its safe to say the logs didnt have enough evidence to incriminate the users[/quote]
    What is that based on? What evidence is there to suggest there isn’t enough to base this on? I mean is the guy a lawyer? Let’s get real about this!

  • aza

    Private site IMHO sucks. The user are selfish and only want to do 1:1
    So in short their trading byte for byte. That’s not how p2p should work
    If most of you didn’t join site like this public site would be a lot better
    I don’t blame oink for being like that I blame people for being such a sheep and let the few abuse them with BS ratio. Most user don’t have decent upload speed, to maintain a ratio is torture or abusive. Plz do us all a favor and go public!
    You get a lot more people to leech and sleep a lot better at night knowing that you are anonymous.
    oink is not just maintaining ratio they are nazi!

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="196163"][quote comment="195656"][quote comment="195583"]The key things that would leave users in trouble are:

    logging IP addresses

    logging torrents downloaded

    logging torrents uploaded

    As far as I remember, oink did all three of those. They have to log IPs so they can ban cheaters, right? And I’m pretty sure I saw the IP address I was using (my neighbor’s wireless) in my profile (with an “only visible to you” notice, but still recorded in there.)

    They also had a list of torrents you snatched, as well as what you uploaded.[/quote]

    Actually, just because it displays the IP you are logged in from doesn’t indicate it’s being stored. In fact, Paine himself indicated that they didn’t log IPs for snatches in his blog. (http://tehpaine.blogspot.com/) Check the quote below.

    [quote=Paine]A few people have asked me if we logged the IP you snatched things from. The answer is no, we did not log snatch IPs.[/quote]

    So, yeah.[/quote]
    Wouldn’t that be entrapment?[/quote]
    It says so in the blog, wow it must be true!

    I mean thse people are honest enough to do something they know is legally extremely risky *irresective of how noble people might find it). These guys were engaged in illegal activity and you are just going to trust something they could have easily said to cover their own backsides.

    I for one would like a damn site more evidence than just ‘trust us, we’re professionals’.

    Yeah, professionals who got stalked and caught with their pants down.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="196584"]All the talk of hunting down members is just BS on the part of the record industry, and they know it.[/quote]

    really.

    well i’m convinced!

    Must be very easy to assuage your fears by portraying the authorities as the villains of the piece and therefore dull witted morons.

    Unfortuantely police computer teams aren’t stupid.

  • ThisISIT

    Well i’m done with torrents. I stumbled upon oink by accident some time ago and actually bought lots of the music i downloaded and went to shows of the new bands i discovered. All this madness isnt worth it. I found emusic.com which looks pretty good so when i feel like downloading music i can use that…save me from having to leave the house to buy music all the time!

    Seems unfair that all oinkers could potentially get lumped in the same category of pirates trying to take down the industry which isnt the case at all.

    Thanks to oink i’ve bought way more albums, discovered way more bands, went to way more shows and spread the word about all these new bands to friends than i ever would have without it.

    It’s a shame they don’t take the oink model and make it a legit site. That’s all we really need.

  • Ink

    ThisISIT so you basically chicken out on the best thing you ever discovered, gz to that.

    In a few decades you’ll be like todays old war guys who actually wet their pants but brag about how heroic they were when they were young and in war… you’ll be Grandpa Simpson (not that I think war is heroic).

    Todays copyright laws are outdated and not fit for an internet-world bending over like a girl won’t help changing that.

  • Ah

    [quote comment="196611"]Private site IMHO sucks. The user are selfish and only want to do 1:1
    So in short their trading byte for byte. That’s not how p2p should work
    If most of you didn’t join site like this public site would be a lot better
    I don’t blame oink for being like that I blame people for being such a sheep and let the few abuse them with BS ratio. Most user don’t have decent upload speed, to maintain a ratio is torture or abusive. Plz do us all a favor and go public!
    You get a lot more people to leech and sleep a lot better at night knowing that you are anonymous.
    oink is not just maintaining ratio they are nazi![/quote]

    I bet 90% of ex oink users would not use a public “oink”

    so then what? No good content and public “oink” is shit just like every other public tracker

  • WinBSF

    In the weeks and days leading up to the close of the site I would notice at approx 1am Pacific time the site would stop for 10-15mins while the system was “backed up”. the message also suggested the user grab a cup of coffee. Must mean it was what 8am in England. sounded right to me. I saw this happening a couple of times so I know he backed something up.

  • annoyed

    silly people, it doesn’t matter what was in those logs. it could be your fucking social security number and the authorities wouldn’t be able to touch you.

    there was this thing called cheating that oink and the mods spent plenty of time trying to prevent. to do this you have to adjust what your client tells the tracker. in other words there is no proof that these logs contain accurate information. they could easily be tampered with by oink himself or the users. for example, i’ve saw a guy in the forums one time that had a ratio of 10000.00 in a matter of minutes of being on the site. he was obviously kicked off, but there is no proof that this type of thing did not take place regularly.

    now quit fucking crying. jeez

  • Anonymous

    Regardless of any records Oink may have kept, unless these authorities have tapped into a torrent you are seeding and have actually gotten a pirated file from you, how can they prove that you are indeed trafficking in illegal sharing? Anybody can name a torrent anything they want, and then rename a legal file as something illegal to fool you. Fake files are rampant anyway so just because a torrent and file are name “Bourne Ultimatum” doesn’t mean that is the real file you will end up with–so how can they get you for illegal files if they never were able to hook up to your computer and get the real file? A log listing the names of user uploaded files means nothing without the actual file that they can prove is illegal to go with it (and referenced/gotten from your IP).

  • Meskarune

    This whole thing has just made me what to pirate more and stick it to those guys. I’ve been using http://www.nch.com.au/soundtap/index_b.html?ref=google&ref2=mstb to record streaming radio and up load songs/albums.

  • Nubs!

    You will all burn in hell for stealing anyway so why get stressed out if you get slapped with a 100k lawsuit.. Satan will drill your ass for alot more! LOL!

  • TehPAINE

    The official OiNKS Pink Palace SHIRT!

    http://www.cafepress.com/oppluvvpigg

  • VivaGardner

    Nubs! Yeah, cause hell exists…….

  • VivaGardner

    You’re a moron aza. You obviously have limited private BT experience. OiNK was fucking easy to maintain ratio.

  • anon

    Alan Ellis was fired from his job due to some of the site code being found on a work machine/laptop. As such the police raided his work place.

    Genuine source :)

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