OiNK Down, Norwegian BitTorrent Trackers Next
Written by enigmax on October 24, 2007With the BitTorrent world spinning on its heels after the shock takedown of the huge OiNK tracker, there are now indications that the shutdowns may continue. According to the lawyer who lost against ‘DVD Jon’, next stop is Norway and raids are imminent.
Yesterday, the OiNK BitTorrent tracker was raided and shutdown, not by the MPAA but by real life, bona fide police, working hand in hand with industry association, the IFPI. The war against BitTorrent - usually played out on the civil law arena - has suddenly found itself in the criminal domain. The rules have changed.
With the whole BitTorrent community asking themselves what comes next, a clear indicator has come from a lawyer who works for the industry prosecuting file-sharers:
Norway is next and raids are imminent.
Espen Tøndel is a Norwegian lawyer well known for his legal defeat against ‘DVD Jon‘. He is currently working with the Norwegian branch of the IFPI and MPAA.
Tøndel says the Norwegian police are prepared and ready to carry out raids against Norwegian sites. Everything is in place.
When asked to identify the sites, Tøndel refused to elaborate other than to say that the investigation has been underway for some time and that enough names and evidence has already been gathered to make prosecutions in several cases.
When questioned about the possible fate of Norwegian members of OiNK specifically, nothing further was added other than to stress the close co-operation between British, Dutch and Norwegian police.
Tøndel also speculates on who might be prosecuted if the OiNK database is available to police. His thoughts range from suggesting people who upload and downloaded a lot might be in trouble, right through to ‘random individuals’. Or maybe there is another possibility?
Maybe the police don’t have usable lists.
According to the article, a source has stated that the OiNK membership list was not only encrypted, but also equipped with a ’self-destruct’ type mechanism which relied on a regular signal to continue in ‘OFF’ mode.
Although unconfirmed, this situation would be of some comfort to OiNK’s 180,000 members.
Previously: Why Are The IFPI and BPI Allowed To Hijack OiNK?
Next: P2PKids: Because We Care About Sharing
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[quote comment="194812"][quote comment="194806"]Most people either download stuff they’d never buy, or they buy stuff because they’ve downloaded it. [/quote]
Oh yeah, that famous lie.
So everything you listen to is actually stuff you bought?
What a fucking joke. You thieves will do anything to try and justify your stealing money out of musician’s pockets.[/quote]
Read the first part of my post, fucknose. Everything I listen to is either stuff I bought, or stuff that I wasn’t going to buy. I almost admire your selfless concern for the poor wickle music industry executives, but I really think you ought to piss up a rope.
Record labels aren’t going to die, because they are the ones that help a band tour, record, and promote their band.
Stop lying to yourself. You know you’re not just taking money from the labels, but the musicians too.
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It hurts to hear the truth, doesn’t it? Because you know you’re wrong for stealing.[/quote]
No its just funny you can’t be more original.
ha ha music lover is pissed off. thats funny. thats right keep bitching. nothings going to change the fact that the raid of oink changes nothing in the amount of music being downloaded right know:)
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And lets face it, big record labels are dying and they've resorted suing and alienating their customers, i can't wait till the day they disappear and music will become something to enjoy and not be shoved down our throats[/quote]
What they should be doing is giving a cut of the money they get from lawsuits to the artists who had their songs stolen. That would actually make sense. The labels, however, are simply money grabbing whores.
Music Lover, go shit yourself, please.
Most of the music i download would i probably never buy anyway, so how can they “loose” any money when i wouldn’t buy it in the first place? Those artist i really like i try to support, _IF_ i can, ‘coz most of the music that i want is hard as hell to find here, and expansive to ship from other country’s.
And an other thing, most of the music i’ve bought the last two years would i never had bought if i didn’t downloaded and listen to it first.
So go fuck yourself, piracy helps the small labels and artists. It’s those which i want to support, not the big fat assholes behind IFPI and such, which only create mainstream shit!
Yeah, the world is just full of rich music executives, huh? And they’re the only ones you’re stealing from, right?
Who the fuck do you think you’re kidding?
I got better stuff to do, have fun arguing on a site dedicated to bittorrent sites, i’m sure if you stay long enough you’ll win!
Good luck…
douchebag
[quote comment="194820"]Record labels aren’t going to die, because they are the ones that help a band tour, record, and promote their band.
Stop lying to yourself. You know you’re not just taking money from the labels, but the musicians too.[/quote]
Hey ass hole… things change, the future is here. People don’t need record labels to do any of thoughs things anymore. The internet is here and its something that WON’T go away. Now people can advertise, setup tours, and anything else they need.
As for taking money from musicians oh please. Who the fuck is going to use 100million dollars in their life time. Personally if we were to destroy the money system and go back to work for what you have, may haps things may change for the better.
[quote]What a fucking joke. You thieves will do anything to try and justify your stealing money out of musician’s pockets.[/quote]
You don’t actually believe that by sharing a pink floyd album that I am going to Roger Waters’ house and taking his money, do you? Are you honestly saying you can’t differentiate between those two actions?
So, let me get this straight here. You say that not buying an album for whatever reason is theft? So, lets say I don’t like rap music, so I don’t buy rap albums. I’m a thief for not buying rap albums now, right? I’m stealing from all those gangster idiots?
[quote]Stop lying to yourself. You know you’re not just taking money from the labels, but the musicians too.[/quote]
You’re saying I’m taking money from a band because I download their music. That’s the most pathetic excuse for a logical argument I’ve ever heard.
I’m not taking money from anyone. All the money that Pink Floyd had before I started downloading their music, they still have now. I’ve taken none of it.
Saying sharing is stealing is like saying a monkey is a cow. It’s not logical, no matter how many times you repeat it.
Music Lover, in the interest of full disclosure, which major label do you work for? Or are you a MediaDefender goonie?
it’s true. I won’t buy an album I haven’t listened to. (because I have before and know what a mistake it can be). And I also like having cindy lauper albums, but I would never in a million years buy one. I only buy albums that are so undeniably good, that they make me want to give the artist money.
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As for taking money from musicians oh please. Who the fuck is going to use 100million dollars in their life time. Personally if we were to destroy the money system and go back to work for what you have, may haps things may change for the better.[/quote]
Spare me your fucking retarded views on society. You haven’t done jackshit in your life to back it up.
Musicians depend on record royalties as well as touring to make money.
You only steal because you think you can get away with it. Now that the law is finally cracking down, there isn’t a soul alive that will feel sorry for your loser ass.
[quote]You only steal because you think you can get away with it.[/quote]
Keep repeating your pathetic little capitalist mantras.
Sharing is not stealing. I’ve taken nothing from the artists you claim I’ve stolen from.
Gredd,
I think hes just some idiot that has nothing better to do with his time then sit on a news forum repeating the same crap just to get peoples fuses lit.
Music Lover obviously is an idiot. I’m a musician and for A FREE scene. I’m not a capitalist and I don’t care about making money.
Music is a hobby and shouldn’t be a commodity.
That’s my opinion.. and it’s right.
If you want to support a band, buy a CD at their show or a T-shirt, or JUST BUY A TICKET TO A SHOW. I’ve spent a lot of money on CD’s over my lifetime, and you know what, I feel like I’m just treated like a petty consumer by multi-billion dollar executives. Fuck ‘em, they don’t deserve my money. I’ll give it directly to the band.
So, in closing… flame bait taken, You’re an ass.
Or a penis, not sure which.
I don’t work for a label and I don’t work for Media Defender. I work in a recording studio here in the US. 90 percent of my work is for smaller labels.
Downloading is killing these small labels. It is drastically hurting the income of the musicians. They no longer can spend all their time on music, but are having to take on menial jobs to pay the rent. This makes it harder for them to tour, as it’s difficult to get time off of work.
You people simply don’t understand the damage being done to music by piracy.
[quote comment="194820"]Record labels aren’t going to die, because they are the ones that help a band tour, record, and promote their band.
Stop lying to yourself. You know you’re not just taking money from the labels, but the musicians too.[/quote]
If you love music so much go donate some money to Britney Spears so she can buy a new 40 million dollar mansion. Crawl back to your RIAA masters and inform them you failed to convince people into buying suck ass music at overinflated prices. The day p2p goes away I hope you will enjoy paying $445.88 for a cd or movie since the cartel can charge people whatever they want without p2p to keep them in line. I also hope you enjoy watching your civil liberties striped away by the RIAA who want you to pay every time you listen to a song you can’t even play a radio at work anymore without getting sued for copyright infringement. Go one back home to the RIAA now little East German wannabe
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As for taking money from musicians oh please. Who the fuck is going to use 100million dollars in their life time. Personally if we were to destroy the money system and go back to work for what you have, may haps things may change for the better.[/quote]
Spare me your fucking retarded views on society. You haven’t done jackshit in your life to back it up.
Musicians depend on record royalties as well as touring to make money.
You only steal because you think you can get away with it. Now that the law is finally cracking down, there isn’t a soul alive that will feel sorry for your loser ass.[/quote]
Ahh but that is were you are wrong…
1. its called diplomatic immunity.
2. They couldn’t catch a cold even if they were put in a germ infected room.
3. Its idiots like you that make me very angery and force me to take 2 valums instead of 1 so that I don’t track you down and eat your beating heart in front of you while you watch. :-)
oh as for not having done anything in my life to back myself up… hmm lets see… to what you know by looking up my name like the last group of idiots did will get you nothing as my alias that I use to post my projects is never the same.
Beware of the unknown.
:-)
[quote comment="194854"]I don’t work for a label and I don’t work for Media Defender. I work in a recording studio here in the US. 90 percent of my work is for smaller labels.
Downloading is killing these small labels. It is drastically hurting the income of the musicians. They no longer can spend all their time on music, but are having to take on menial jobs to pay the rent. This makes it harder for them to tour, as it’s difficult to get time off of work.
You people simply don’t understand the damage being done to music by piracy.[/quote]
you`re one dumb fuck, mediadefender fuck
[quote]You people simply don’t understand the damage being done to music by piracy.[/quote]
Could sharing hurt the music industry? You might be able to make a good argument for that, or a good argument against.
However, just because something might hurt an industry doesn’t make it theft. Summer hurts the ski industry, is that theft? Should it be illegal? Bad music hurts the music industry more then piracy could. Is bad music theft? Should it be illegal?
I’ve made my point. What you’re doing is wrong, and you know it. Don’t expect anyone to defend you when you get busted.
[quote comment="194859"][quote comment="194845"][quote comment="194835"]
As for taking money from musicians oh please. Who the fuck is going to use 100million dollars in their life time. Personally if we were to destroy the money system and go back to work for what you have, may haps things may change for the better.[/quote]
Spare me your fucking retarded views on society. You haven’t done jackshit in your life to back it up.
Musicians depend on record royalties as well as touring to make money.
You only steal because you think you can get away with it. Now that the law is finally cracking down, there isn’t a soul alive that will feel sorry for your loser ass.[/quote]
Ahh but that is were you are wrong…
1. its called diplomatic immunity.
2. They couldn’t catch a cold even if they were put in a germ infected room.
3. Its idiots like you that make me very angery and force me to take 2 valums instead of 1 so that I don’t track you down and eat your beating heart in front of you while you watch. :-)
oh as for not having done anything in my life to back myself up… hmm lets see… to what you know by looking up my name like the last group of idiots did will get you nothing as my alias that I use to post my projects is never the same.
Beware of the unknown.
:-)[/quote]WoW you admit you are on drugs. Someone please ban this nut already for making threats.
Last I heard idiot music is an art. Its people like you that support musicians whose only concern is money is what is wrong with this industry. If you want to make terrible music with no passion just in hopes of getting rich then go and work at wal mart for minimum wage you are a loser and a poor excuse of a musician. You shame all true musicains.
Music Lover I highly doubt youve contributed to society either.
First of all you saying that people who steal music would have bought it if they couldnt steal it is flawed, you cant say either way if they would have or not, some would, some would not have, but the fact is that a download is not a lost sale. We dont get to play the “what if” game with dollars, only “what is”.
Do you work for a record company? Thats who profits on cd sales, look at groups like The Who, who got ROYALY screwed by their record deal, so if I buy a cd I’m helping them? Hell no, Im helping the fat cat who screwed them.
Record companies are dying, more and more groups are seeing the hypocrisy of the businessmen, and going with independant labels or releasing music themselves through the internet.
You think I dont support musicians because I dont support the companies that leech of the talent? You think I dont respect what they do because I fail to see the point in dropping 15 dollars on a crappy cd? When I buy music, I never spend more than 10 dollars,period. You can go to target or walmart or whatever and find the music there, but I dont ever buy cds at those places, because its all big label stuff. I buy cds when I see people preform live, and I hope people like Muse and Buckethead come preform where I live so I can give THEM the money and not the talentless fatty who makes his living off of them.
Yes … I am on drugs prescribed to me by my doctor due to stress and nerve issues.
Don’t worry about the threat… its the internet… for now… :-)
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