OiNK Down, Norwegian BitTorrent Trackers Next
Written by enigmax on October 24, 2007With the BitTorrent world spinning on its heels after the shock takedown of the huge OiNK tracker, there are now indications that the shutdowns may continue. According to the lawyer who lost against ‘DVD Jon’, next stop is Norway and raids are imminent.
Yesterday, the OiNK BitTorrent tracker was raided and shutdown, not by the MPAA but by real life, bona fide police, working hand in hand with industry association, the IFPI. The war against BitTorrent - usually played out on the civil law arena - has suddenly found itself in the criminal domain. The rules have changed.
With the whole BitTorrent community asking themselves what comes next, a clear indicator has come from a lawyer who works for the industry prosecuting file-sharers:
Norway is next and raids are imminent.
Espen Tøndel is a Norwegian lawyer well known for his legal defeat against ‘DVD Jon‘. He is currently working with the Norwegian branch of the IFPI and MPAA.
Tøndel says the Norwegian police are prepared and ready to carry out raids against Norwegian sites. Everything is in place.
When asked to identify the sites, Tøndel refused to elaborate other than to say that the investigation has been underway for some time and that enough names and evidence has already been gathered to make prosecutions in several cases.
When questioned about the possible fate of Norwegian members of OiNK specifically, nothing further was added other than to stress the close co-operation between British, Dutch and Norwegian police.
Tøndel also speculates on who might be prosecuted if the OiNK database is available to police. His thoughts range from suggesting people who upload and downloaded a lot might be in trouble, right through to ‘random individuals’. Or maybe there is another possibility?
Maybe the police don’t have usable lists.
According to the article, a source has stated that the OiNK membership list was not only encrypted, but also equipped with a ’self-destruct’ type mechanism which relied on a regular signal to continue in ‘OFF’ mode.
Although unconfirmed, this situation would be of some comfort to OiNK’s 180,000 members.
Previously: Why Are The IFPI and BPI Allowed To Hijack OiNK?
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please, isn’t there some way for you people ranting about corporations to actually protest something real? To hurt the true bad corporations, ones that are ruining our world, rather than ones putting out music?
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I følge kilde som har tipset ITavisen var medlemslistene hos Oink i utgangspunktet kryptert, og i tillegg utstyrt med en selvdestruksjonsmekanisme som gjorde at de ble slettet dersom de ikke innen en viss tid mottok et bestemt signal.”
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According to a source , the membership list on OiNK was encrypted, and in addition equipped with a self destruct mechanism that would destroy the list if it didn’t receive a regular signal”
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I følge kilde som har tipset ITavisen var medlemslistene hos Oink i utgangspunktet kryptert, og i tillegg utstyrt med en selvdestruksjonsmekanisme som gjorde at de ble slettet dersom de ikke innen en viss tid mottok et bestemt signal.”
Roughly: “According to a source who spoke to ITavisen, the member lists at Oink were encrypted, and in addition had a self destruct mechanism which deleted [the lists] if they didn`t receive a certain signal within a determined period of time.”
Espen Tøndel is just spreading FUD. I almost like the guy. So much talk and big words, and so little action.
[quote comment="194765"]Yeah, you like pretending you’re an anarchist while you sit in your parents house.
Stop lying to yourself. You’re stealing from musicians. Scumbags.[/quote]
Of course I am sitting in my parents house. Where else would I be? xP
I am not really lying to myself, you idiot. I know perfectly well what I am doing. And quite frankly your oppion matters very little to me.
In other cases even if they got rid of BitTorrent i a sure you there will be a newer way/s to replace it.
[quote comment="195201"]meh. it’s over. But it was fun for awhile. And I definitely had more money for kickass coffee this year. ;)[/quote]
It’s not yet over,
Thou I agree with you I too had more money to waste on wasteful but necessary school crap.
Ok got you guys, I was kidding.
as “MrLeone” said in the norwegian discussion to the original article:
“Hahh! You never expect the Tøndel inquisition!”
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nHGOl-jfUK0
it seems as if the recording industry is doomed anyway. professional recording equipment is more readily available to the common musician, not needing anyone else to get them known, assuming that the internet is one of the better ways to get your name out there these days.
shutting down OiNK is not going to stop the progress of technology. maybe delay it. but as others have said, other programs similar to OiNK are going to be released, probably with more features, including greater security.
sorry if this is redundant, didn’t have time to read and review previous posts : )
Damn.. I hate that lawyer. Had a great time when the news said he lost again our beloved DVD Jon. Perhaps consider moving to Sweden now?
lmao
now get to the shops and buy music you filthy thieving bastards.
Not thieft ? idiots.
of course it is, you take something without paying, it ealy si that simple, and you nublets think that what your doing is fine lol
wont be that when bubba is packing your ass in when your bunked with him in the local jail lol
Thieving twats, go and buy stuff you fucking pedo`s.
Espen Tøndel: Someone shoot this pig please!
maybe i should get into shoplifting my music at least then i have less fines to pay lol
“To hurt the true bad corporations, ones that are ruining our world, rather than ones putting out music?”
They are the same so let shot all of them at the same time.
“yes, work was done, but creativity was not. Creativity is what needs to be paid for in the music industry, as any art industry.”
a conductor can have a different interpretation of a movement..one orchestra playing a piece can have a completely different feel and tone than another group.
you can take one of us down, but you can’t take us all down at once!
like the great prophet Bob Marley once sung, “You can fool some people some of the time, but you can’t fool all the people all the time”
This thread is great.
The fact of the matter is this. People sharing music with each other, wether it’s on a bus, at a party with friends, or over the internet with a bunch of people you’ve never met, only increases the number of people who may become ‘fans’ of a particular group or artist.
A download is not a lost sale. If I hear a song I like, I find out who the band is and see if I like their stuff. If they aren’t part of the RIAA and I like it, I buy the record.
Calling it theft is just incorrect. Physical laws do not apply. I doubt you’d call it theft if I magically made an identical copy of my e36 M3 for you using no resources.
Intellectual property, retard.
Ignorance, and pretending to be oblivious to the law isn’t a defense.
So yesterday somebody said a certain TV torrent is next?? did we ever find out what the f*#k he was on about?
Im after reading back over loads of this and I swear “music lover” made my brain hurt.. so I have spent 100’s of euro buying Hed Kandi compilations all because I came across one of them online.. thats 100’s of euro that I never would of spent if it wasn’t for P2P..
Also a good friend of mine who we shall call x has his new album coming out soon and he will admit anyday that its thanks to the internet and p2p and my space that he is where he is today. He has no problem with people downloading his music as it fills the venues with audiences that would never have known about him otherwise.
TorrentFreak: Although the selfdestruction thing could be true, I wouldn’t rely much on ITavisen.no. They write some crap sometimes (a few days ago they wrote that libble.com was the new site that all OiNK users were moving to, but when I check it they don’t have that many members…)
You guys are all scumbag, thief doodoo heads.
Doodoo head! Scumbags!
One more time…
scumbag doodoo head thiefs!
Thank you, I’ll be here till Tuesday!
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I’m still waiting for the capitalist logic behind saying sharing is stealing.[/quote]
Your ignorance of copyright law isn’t an excuse to be a thief.
“Honest officer, I didn’t know it was illegal to rob this man.”
Good luck with that defense.[/quote]
Did it ever occur to you that perhaps brick & mortar stores and CDs are now a thing of the past? Vinyl gave way to tapes, tapes gave way to CDs, CDs are now giving way to mp3s.
Selling music itself has become a defunct business model. The alternatives for sources of revenue are simple though, and inherently better than selling CDs. Concert tickets, merchandising, and licensing.
Just because we download mp3s, doesn’t mean we can use those mp3s in a commercial production. Moby has said it himself before mp3s were all the rage, he made more money licensing his songs to movies and commercials and TV shows than he did selling CDs. His Porcelain album was almost ENTIRELY licensed to this, that and the other thing.
The problem isn’t people downloading mp3s, the problem are business people who refuse to innovate and refuse to adapt their business model to the current trends.
Musicians can still be millionaires through licensing and merchandising and this does a lot more to promote musicians than forcing consumers to purchase antiquated, inconvenient mediums. And besides, no one needs to be a millionaire to begin with.
I want to make money off of my music, but I’d be happy pulling in a middle class salary. The point is to be able to never worry about bills and focus solely on my art. Millions per year or $50k/year, both amount to the same end result, less stress.
All in all, the idea that we’re thieves is wrong. We’re consumers, and we’re voting with our dollar. The music industry as we know it, it’s current business model, has LOST to technology. The way the industry is set has been the same for most of the 20th century, and now it’s time to change.
fuck that lawyer. i hope his dick shrivels up and falls off. scumbag.
the dutch ECD is a government company thats serves the rights of commercial companies, it is not an authority that followes individual persons.
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