OiNK Down, Norwegian BitTorrent Trackers Next
Written by enigmax on October 24, 2007With the BitTorrent world spinning on its heels after the shock takedown of the huge OiNK tracker, there are now indications that the shutdowns may continue. According to the lawyer who lost against ‘DVD Jon’, next stop is Norway and raids are imminent.
Yesterday, the OiNK BitTorrent tracker was raided and shutdown, not by the MPAA but by real life, bona fide police, working hand in hand with industry association, the IFPI. The war against BitTorrent - usually played out on the civil law arena - has suddenly found itself in the criminal domain. The rules have changed.
With the whole BitTorrent community asking themselves what comes next, a clear indicator has come from a lawyer who works for the industry prosecuting file-sharers:
Norway is next and raids are imminent.
Espen Tøndel is a Norwegian lawyer well known for his legal defeat against ‘DVD Jon‘. He is currently working with the Norwegian branch of the IFPI and MPAA.
Tøndel says the Norwegian police are prepared and ready to carry out raids against Norwegian sites. Everything is in place.
When asked to identify the sites, Tøndel refused to elaborate other than to say that the investigation has been underway for some time and that enough names and evidence has already been gathered to make prosecutions in several cases.
When questioned about the possible fate of Norwegian members of OiNK specifically, nothing further was added other than to stress the close co-operation between British, Dutch and Norwegian police.
Tøndel also speculates on who might be prosecuted if the OiNK database is available to police. His thoughts range from suggesting people who upload and downloaded a lot might be in trouble, right through to ‘random individuals’. Or maybe there is another possibility?
Maybe the police don’t have usable lists.
According to the article, a source has stated that the OiNK membership list was not only encrypted, but also equipped with a ’self-destruct’ type mechanism which relied on a regular signal to continue in ‘OFF’ mode.
Although unconfirmed, this situation would be of some comfort to OiNK’s 180,000 members.
Previously: Why Are The IFPI and BPI Allowed To Hijack OiNK?
Next: P2PKids: Because We Care About Sharing
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the problems is that we have no law to protect us. Is there new law?
[quote comment="195547"]lmao
now get to the shops and buy music you filthy thieving bastards.
Not thieft ? idiots.
of course it is, you take something without paying, it ealy si that simple, and you nublets think that what your doing is fine lol
wont be that when bubba is packing your ass in when your bunked with him in the local jail lol
Thieving twats, go and buy stuff you fucking pedo`s.[/quote]
fucking idiot…
nothing more
I suppose it is stealing when I read a book that my neighbor lends me, too. Those are copyrighted words, you know.
The music industry is accustomed to raking in big bucks, no matter how bad the music actually is. Since people have learned to share quite well (not just making a lousy tape of your friend’s album), the industry has been losing money. Oh, so sorry they can’t afford as much Dom Perignon for Jennifer Lopez or as many limos for their execs. Oh wait, that is still happening!
Time for the music industry to learn to get lean and mean, just like most other industries in the free world. Cut the crap and give us good quality at a reasonable price and PAY the ARTISTS what they are worth, too. They don’t need all the perks from the industry, when they make plenty to pay for their own shite!
I only buy music from bands that either sell their own music, or run their own record company on the side. All other artists? Fuck them. If they think doing what thousands of teenagers think of as a hobby magically should make them rich, fuck them. You can not expect to make a living as an artist in this day and age, simply because there are so many frikkin’ artists around, not because of piracy. The market is flooded, and creativity is far from limitless. Those who do something different, or those that know how to market themselves, THEY are the ones that are going to make money. If you don’t have what it takes, you don’t deserve jack shit.
I used to play in a band, and my sister is recording her first album right now. Neither one of us think any less of pirates, because we know what it’s actually about.
[quote comment="194817"][quote comment="194811"]come up with something better than scumbag thief, thats 3 times now.
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It hurts to hear the truth, doesn’t it? Because you know you’re wrong for stealing.[/quote]
Even if it is stealing I don’t care. If I like their music and they play a show near me I will generally buy a shirt and a CD. That way they get 100% of the profit instead of having to give part of it to the Wal-Marts and the like.
Regardless, I can live with being a thief. Can you live with being a tool?
[quote comment="195710"]I suppose it is stealing when I read a book that my neighbor lends me, too. Those are copyrighted words, you know.
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You have a point. I guess it is time to send the book cops after every person who lends a copy of Patterson’s latest to their friends.
[quote comment="195057"]“British and Dutch police today shut down the world’s biggest source of illegal pre-release chart albums and arrested a 24-year old man in an operation coordinated between Middlesbrough and Amsterdam. ” That’s from BPI’s web site. So, they’re touting that they got the bad-guy pre-releasers. Hmmm. So soon after Springsteen’s big release. I smell Sony busy at work![/quote]
I was all set to buy the new Springsteen the day it came out. As it turned out, the Jammie Thomas verdict came out at that same time and I decided not to buy RIAA cds because of it. After the oink raid the chance of me buying anything but an independent release is zero.
I think there is a big crack down on such websites, anyway if you want all the latest news and reviews related to websites visited http://www.WhichWebsite.com
While I never used OiNK myself, I am sad to see anything that hurts the RIAA/MPAA get taken offline. I have no respect at all for any copyright laws that were bought by some fuckstain
executive with an eye on his profits.
Anyone a fan of Marillion?
“In 2001 ‘Anoraknophobia’ saw Marillion take the groundbreaking step of asking fans to pre-order an album 12 months before release. An amazing 12,000 people signed up, helping to finance the recording. The band once again took pre-orders for the 2004 masterpiece ‘Marbles,’ but this time the money was channelled into a campaign fund to promote its launch. When singles ‘Don’t Hurt Yourself’ and ‘You’re Gone‘ breached the UK top 20 , the latter making it all the way to number 7 , jaws were dropped right across the music world.”
The writing’s on the wall for the big labels, and has been for a while, they’re just unable to read it!!!
GOD bless all you ‘pirates’ everywhere.
Alrigh, just some quick facts to shed light on this. I am a musician (professional.) Labels don’t help with the tour, thats the tour manager, recording is 95% of the time organized by the manager and band and recorded at home studios (unless you are a no talent hack like Britney Spears.) The label does handle the PR, however most money only goes to the likes of artists like J-lo etc. Ask your self when was the last time you saw any PR stuff for a band you like?
DLin music doesn’t hurt the band. Most people do go out and buy it if they like it, there are always vinyl sales, and further it is the cheapest form of PR out there allowing bands to attract much greater crowds for next to nothing. Yes there is always the free rider problem but that existed even with radio and cassette tapes. The only reason the labels are so pissed off, is b/c they aren’t getting a cut for doing absolutley nothing (not much different than protection money from the mob.)
Why, you want to arrest me due to me having used my bandwidth to transfer a lot of bytes to random people around the world? I think not.
Also, for any Norwegians; the police have their hands full trying to get illegal hookers off Carl Johan…
Stealing music? Define this. are my memories of tunes, beats lyrics and songs all stolen then from the rightful owners as well? Maybe the “authorities” will raid your puny brain and charge you for remembering certain copyrighted pieces of media. My digital Computer box is just an extension of the limits placed on our brains by evolution in this intensive information era. As long as no-one is duplicating for bootlegging and stealing $$ from direct consumer sales, then who cares? All this ‘music’ is freely availible anytime via RADIO, SATELLITE, STREAMING INTERNET, TV, tapes, your library, your friends hard copy….etc etc. the artist need to be heard on as many forums as possible and distribute their music to build a fan base. Its not stealing, just sampling. True fans buy the real stuff.
[quote comment="195808"]Alrigh, just some quick facts to shed light on this. I am a musician (professional.) Labels don’t help with the tour, thats the tour manager, recording is 95% of the time organized by the manager and band and recorded at home studios (unless you are a no talent hack like Britney Spears.) The label does handle the PR, however most money only goes to the likes of artists like J-lo etc. Ask your self when was the last time you saw any PR stuff for a band you like?
DLin music doesn’t hurt the band. Most people do go out and buy it if they like it, there are always vinyl sales, and further it is the cheapest form of PR out there allowing bands to attract much greater crowds for next to nothing. Yes there is always the free rider problem but that existed even with radio and cassette tapes. The only reason the labels are so pissed off, is b/c they aren’t getting a cut for doing absolutley nothing (not much different than protection money from the mob.)[/quote]
Exactly. I don’t think people that haven’t tried to release music understand that the “recording industry” is just an obsolete blob of connections with outmoded ideas and concerns. “Intellectual Property” is a laughable concept. If you don’t want somebody to take your ideas or work, don’t show anybody! If it’s good you’ll get credit where credit is due, and some level of exposure too. With that comes monetary gain.
I know the artist is happy for me to just be listening, and if I like the artist enough, I have no problem supporting them. I have a problem having the vast majority of money that would be going to the artist going into the pockets of clueless corporations. Stop defending an exploitative corporate conglomerate, you’re defending greed and bureaucracy, not the artists.
I work with an independent psytrance label, and let me tell you, piracy HELPS all of our artists get exposed! Which means they get more bookings, which means they get more money. Artists make a hell of a lot more off of gigs than they do CD’s. So download stuff if you weren’t going to buy it in the first place. Please do. Maybe you’ll find something you like :D
Hey stomper, don’t tell the RIAA or similar organisations; if people realized buying CD’s isn’t supporting an artist in the slightest, those guys might end up without a job.
Arctic Monkeys-Sandi Thom ..without tinternet-these artist would probably still serving fries at mchorrids…so sharing music can and does promote the artists to such a stage never before posible…
Dear Music Lover,
Piracy exists in every field for a simple reason. Affordability. Thats why you should read the points below:
1) Whats the point of buying a CD if most of the songs are just fillers. I mean if there are 10 songs on a cd and only 2 are good, that means i have paid $8 of every $10 on garbage just to listen to a few tracks.
2) I could and do purchase individual tracks from online music stores. But you know what, most of the songs are in AAC+ or mp3pro, which are either copy protected or DRM’d to work on a single platform or system. Since i possess a good hifi, i would prefer to purchase the original uncompressed track anyday over AAC crap.
3) Since most tracks are copy protected and time limited, i cannot even back them up. So as a customer my choices are artificially restricted.
4) I own 14 DVDA discs and some SACds. Since i purchased the discs, dont i have a right to at least make one back up copy. The only way to make up a copy is time consuming and annoying to say the least. By the way some of my SACds are scratched and unplayable. Now i have to buy some new ones to replace them. I wouldn’t have to do this if I was allowed to make a legal, albeit copy protected backup.
Now i have to pay double which basically means that i wind up paying $20+ for the same stuff. ANd some of the SACDs are unavailable now!!!
6) Only 2 of every 10 music groups make money. That means that the studio has to amortize the costs of the failures over all groups, even the successful ones. Which actually means that the CD you buy is worth only $2 instead of $10. Factor in the fact that even the best selling albums nowadays have only 2-3 hit songs from an average 10 songs, then the listenable uncomressed stereo songs cost only 60 cents in total or 20 cents each. If i could get the songs i like for 20 cents, i will definitely stop downloading pirated stuff. If the industry really cared for its consumers, then they could price the downloads cheaper. I dont care whether they have DRM or not, so long as they play fine.
Look forward to reasoned out reply.
So I’m infringing copyright by ripping a vinyl album I bought 20 years ago? So I’ve got to pay the big record again if I want a digital copy? That is, a CD.
Gee talk about double dipping by the record companies. The original recording would have given the artist pittance and as a CD re-issue would still only give the artist a pittance. Where does thew other $15 bucks go?
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