Gee talk about double dipping by the record companies. The original recording would have given the artist pittance and as a CD re-issue would still only give the artist a pittance. Where does thew other $15 bucks go?

1) Whats the point of buying a CD if most of the songs are just fillers. I mean if there are 10 songs on a cd and only 2 are good, that means i have paid $8 of every $10 on garbage just to listen to a few tracks.

2) I could and do purchase individual tracks from online music stores. But you know what, most of the songs are in AAC+ or mp3pro, which are either copy protected or DRM’d to work on a single platform or system. Since i possess a good hifi, i would prefer to purchase the original uncompressed track anyday over AAC crap.

3) Since most tracks are copy protected and time limited, i cannot even back them up. So as a customer my choices are artificially restricted.

4) I own 14 DVDA discs and some SACds. Since i purchased the discs, dont i have a right to at least make one back up copy. The only way to make up a copy is time consuming and annoying to say the least. By the way some of my SACds are scratched and unplayable. Now i have to buy some new ones to replace them. I wouldn’t have to do this if I was allowed to make a legal, albeit copy protected backup.
Now i have to pay double which basically means that i wind up paying $20+ for the same stuff. ANd some of the SACDs are unavailable now!!!

6) Only 2 of every 10 music groups make money. That means that the studio has to amortize the costs of the failures over all groups, even the successful ones. Which actually means that the CD you buy is worth only $2 instead of $10. Factor in the fact that even the best selling albums nowadays have only 2-3 hit songs from an average 10 songs, then the listenable uncomressed stereo songs cost only 60 cents in total or 20 cents each. If i could get the songs i like for 20 cents, i will definitely stop downloading pirated stuff. If the industry really cared for its consumers, then they could price the downloads cheaper. I dont care whether they have DRM or not, so long as they play fine.

Look forward to reasoned out reply.

DLin music doesn’t hurt the band. Most people do go out and buy it if they like it, there are always vinyl sales, and further it is the cheapest form of PR out there allowing bands to attract much greater crowds for next to nothing. Yes there is always the free rider problem but that existed even with radio and cassette tapes. The only reason the labels are so pissed off, is b/c they aren’t getting a cut for doing absolutley nothing (not much different than protection money from the mob.)[/quote]

Exactly. I don’t think people that haven’t tried to release music understand that the “recording industry” is just an obsolete blob of connections with outmoded ideas and concerns. “Intellectual Property” is a laughable concept. If you don’t want somebody to take your ideas or work, don’t show anybody! If it’s good you’ll get credit where credit is due, and some level of exposure too. With that comes monetary gain.

I know the artist is happy for me to just be listening, and if I like the artist enough, I have no problem supporting them. I have a problem having the vast majority of money that would be going to the artist going into the pockets of clueless corporations. Stop defending an exploitative corporate conglomerate, you’re defending greed and bureaucracy, not the artists.

Also, for any Norwegians; the police have their hands full trying to get illegal hookers off Carl Johan…

DLin music doesn’t hurt the band. Most people do go out and buy it if they like it, there are always vinyl sales, and further it is the cheapest form of PR out there allowing bands to attract much greater crowds for next to nothing. Yes there is always the free rider problem but that existed even with radio and cassette tapes. The only reason the labels are so pissed off, is b/c they aren’t getting a cut for doing absolutley nothing (not much different than protection money from the mob.)

Anyone a fan of Marillion?

“In 2001 ‘Anoraknophobia’ saw Marillion take the groundbreaking step of asking fans to pre-order an album 12 months before release. An amazing 12,000 people signed up, helping to finance the recording. The band once again took pre-orders for the 2004 masterpiece ‘Marbles,’ but this time the money was channelled into a campaign fund to promote its launch. When singles ‘Don’t Hurt Yourself’ and ‘You’re Gone’ breached the UK top 20 , the latter making it all the way to number 7 , jaws were dropped right across the music world.”

The writing’s on the wall for the big labels, and has been for a while, they’re just unable to read it!!!

GOD bless all you ‘pirates’ everywhere.

I was all set to buy the new Springsteen the day it came out. As it turned out, the Jammie Thomas verdict came out at that same time and I decided not to buy RIAA cds because of it. After the oink raid the chance of me buying anything but an independent release is zero.

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You have a point. I guess it is time to send the book cops after every person who lends a copy of Patterson’s latest to their friends.

It hurts to hear the truth, doesn’t it? Because you know you’re wrong for stealing.[/quote]

Even if it is stealing I don’t care. If I like their music and they play a show near me I will generally buy a shirt and a CD. That way they get 100% of the profit instead of having to give part of it to the Wal-Marts and the like.

Regardless, I can live with being a thief. Can you live with being a tool?

I used to play in a band, and my sister is recording her first album right now. Neither one of us think any less of pirates, because we know what it’s actually about.

The music industry is accustomed to raking in big bucks, no matter how bad the music actually is. Since people have learned to share quite well (not just making a lousy tape of your friend’s album), the industry has been losing money. Oh, so sorry they can’t afford as much Dom Perignon for Jennifer Lopez or as many limos for their execs. Oh wait, that is still happening!

Time for the music industry to learn to get lean and mean, just like most other industries in the free world. Cut the crap and give us good quality at a reasonable price and PAY the ARTISTS what they are worth, too. They don’t need all the perks from the industry, when they make plenty to pay for their own shite!

now get to the shops and buy music you filthy thieving bastards.

Not thieft ? idiots.

of course it is, you take something without paying, it ealy si that simple, and you nublets think that what your doing is fine lol

wont be that when bubba is packing your ass in when your bunked with him in the local jail lol

Thieving twats, go and buy stuff you fucking pedo`s.[/quote]
fucking idiot…
nothing more

Your ignorance of copyright law isn’t an excuse to be a thief.

“Honest officer, I didn’t know it was illegal to rob this man.”

Good luck with that defense.[/quote]

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps brick & mortar stores and CDs are now a thing of the past? Vinyl gave way to tapes, tapes gave way to CDs, CDs are now giving way to mp3s.

Selling music itself has become a defunct business model. The alternatives for sources of revenue are simple though, and inherently better than selling CDs. Concert tickets, merchandising, and licensing.

Just because we download mp3s, doesn’t mean we can use those mp3s in a commercial production. Moby has said it himself before mp3s were all the rage, he made more money licensing his songs to movies and commercials and TV shows than he did selling CDs. His Porcelain album was almost ENTIRELY licensed to this, that and the other thing.

The problem isn’t people downloading mp3s, the problem are business people who refuse to innovate and refuse to adapt their business model to the current trends.

Musicians can still be millionaires through licensing and merchandising and this does a lot more to promote musicians than forcing consumers to purchase antiquated, inconvenient mediums. And besides, no one needs to be a millionaire to begin with.

I want to make money off of my music, but I’d be happy pulling in a middle class salary. The point is to be able to never worry about bills and focus solely on my art. Millions per year or $50k/year, both amount to the same end result, less stress.

All in all, the idea that we’re thieves is wrong. We’re consumers, and we’re voting with our dollar. The music industry as we know it, it’s current business model, has LOST to technology. The way the industry is set has been the same for most of the 20th century, and now it’s time to change.

Doodoo head! Scumbags!

One more time…

scumbag doodoo head thiefs!

Thank you, I’ll be here till Tuesday!

Im after reading back over loads of this and I swear “music lover” made my brain hurt.. so I have spent 100′s of euro buying Hed Kandi compilations all because I came across one of them online.. thats 100′s of euro that I never would of spent if it wasn’t for P2P..

Also a good friend of mine who we shall call x has his new album coming out soon and he will admit anyday that its thanks to the internet and p2p and my space that he is where he is today. He has no problem with people downloading his music as it fills the venues with audiences that would never have known about him otherwise.

Ignorance, and pretending to be oblivious to the law isn’t a defense.

The fact of the matter is this. People sharing music with each other, wether it’s on a bus, at a party with friends, or over the internet with a bunch of people you’ve never met, only increases the number of people who may become ‘fans’ of a particular group or artist.

A download is not a lost sale. If I hear a song I like, I find out who the band is and see if I like their stuff. If they aren’t part of the RIAA and I like it, I buy the record.

Calling it theft is just incorrect. Physical laws do not apply. I doubt you’d call it theft if I magically made an identical copy of my e36 M3 for you using no resources.

like the great prophet Bob Marley once sung, “You can fool some people some of the time, but you can’t fool all the people all the time”

a conductor can have a different interpretation of a movement..one orchestra playing a piece can have a completely different feel and tone than another group.

They are the same so let shot all of them at the same time.

now get to the shops and buy music you filthy thieving bastards.

Not thieft ? idiots.

of course it is, you take something without paying, it ealy si that simple, and you nublets think that what your doing is fine lol

wont be that when bubba is packing your ass in when your bunked with him in the local jail lol

Thieving twats, go and buy stuff you fucking pedo`s.

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shutting down OiNK is not going to stop the progress of technology. maybe delay it. but as others have said, other programs similar to OiNK are going to be released, probably with more features, including greater security.

sorry if this is redundant, didn’t have time to read and review previous posts : )

“Hahh! You never expect the Tondel inquisition!”

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nHGOl-jfUK0

Stop lying to yourself. You’re stealing from musicians. Scumbags.[/quote]
Of course I am sitting in my parents house. Where else would I be? xP

I am not really lying to myself, you idiot. I know perfectly well what I am doing. And quite frankly your oppion matters very little to me.

In other cases even if they got rid of BitTorrent i a sure you there will be a newer way/s to replace it.

Roughly: “According to a source who spoke to ITavisen, the member lists at Oink were encrypted, and in addition had a self destruct mechanism which deleted [the lists] if they didn`t receive a certain signal within a determined period of time.”

Espen Tondel is just spreading FUD. I almost like the guy. So much talk and big words, and so little action.