Wow. Imagine that. Did the IDIOT forget about the new law that allows the Swedish government to do just that? She’s making it sound like spying on customers and infringing on their privacy would never happen in Sweden.

Hello?

The fact is SIX AND A HALF MILLION people do it here!?!

How the hell are they going to be able to put that many people through the Court system!?! It’ll take decades at least!

I don’t rip music or movies, might help myself to a few TV shows and radio shows, but never commercial music.

Nah, you run torrent traffic you’re gonna get a letter, that’s all it will consist of! Well lets start pulling down Linux distros non-stop and see what they come up with!!!

Besides, UK isnt even 100mbps yet (even London which is the capital). It isnt much of a big loss to the seeding community…but nonetheless, still a loss

Besides, what about people who download via direct HTTP methods such as Rapidshare and Megaupload? Those websites are not first and foremost illegal file sharing websites, but are frequently abused for this purpose. Will uses of theses sites get penalized also?

I don’t think the government is propping up a failing industry. Artists still manage to make multi millions, so why should they need even more cash just because they’re struggling to pay for their fourth house?

This is the new Great Britian!!

Hopefully the EU will do the right thing and stop the 3 strikes rule as a first step.

I thought the US was bad with the RIAA/MPAA, but man, the UK seems to be turning into a corporate controlled police state.

Someone,anyone, SORT IT OUT FOR F SAKE
It really is becoming ridiculous now.
not just regarding this article but every other area in politics.

roads,cameras,cctv,drinking,smoking,workplaces,
everything is a fkin joke here.

god where are the brains gone !

someone PLEASE get some COMMONSENSE
BACK HERE ,WE TRULY NEED IT.

Solution? Kill your neighbor.

Since not going to be easy to preview, will have to take the safe step of not buying any more CD’s

Luckily am in a small ISP :)

And it can easily be used to discuss principles and means of action.

In the UK downloading is 100% legal.

Only uploading or ‘sharing’ supposedly violates UK copyright law under the dubious ‘makeing available’ accusation.

Only uploading.

So it is 100% legal to download anything copyright just as it ok to buy a dodgy dvd or borrow a book from a friend.

As the current ‘more valuable than freedom’ Major Label crap is already available worldwide no-one
need upload or share.

Leech access only – that is what the UK gov is promoting.”

What your saying bob is sort of true DOWNLOADING IS LEGAL IN THE UK (i just though i’d highlight that incase anyone missed it). Unless its somthing to do with terrorism or kiddie porn.

“Bittorrent as it shares by default will be illegal unless in leech mode only.”

I honestly dont think thats true though as bittorrent underlaw isnt illegal itself. Seriously the goverment would have to litterally ban the bittorrent protcal (which will never happen) before what your saying would become true. As it takes a certain level of knowledge to configure bittorrent and they would have to prove you have that knowledge in the first place, do you get what i’m saying.

” 72 Jul 27, 2008 at 13:18 by k3ito
I live in the UK and just changed ISP from Virgin Media to Sky. I left Virgin due to their throttling policy and there willingness to buddy up to the BPI.

Now Sky follows suite.

I am f***ing livid.”

ATM O2 broadband are the best ISP in the UK IMO, honestly im paying 11.99 line rental to BT then £5 for unlimted phone calls to BT and then £10 for a 16MB unlimited connection to O2 with no traffic shaping or limits. So it works out at £27 a month for a shit hot 16MB connection with free landline calls ontop, you cant get bette than that fella ;-) .

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=853479

If all ISP’s agree to it, that is like a monopoly isn’t it?

My 2c:

Apply for legal aid from Europe or something or band together and there must be a way of getting your MEP or whoever to refer it to Europe’s Anti Monopooly Commisson, ie there is supposed to be a variety of services etc.

http://www.bpi.co.uk/index.asp?Page=news/apu/news_content_file_882.shtml

“The evidence collection process is robust: the technique has stood up to High Court scrutiny on numerous occasions, and similar evidence has been used to bring more than 50,000 legal cases against the users themselves across Europe. Not one of those cases has recorded a mistaken ID, or been successfully contested.”

I think we need a new campaign to demand the BPI for full technical document on how they ‘record’ IPs.

For all we know there using GNU software and breaking the agreement.

This wouldn’t be a problem if Labour hadn’t become so corrupt that there probably getting paid by the BPI to take there side.

Simply… No.

What other country has over two million people in jail?

Not for Labour or the tories because they have both gone against file sharing but for the Lib Dems because they are the only ones who havent spoken out against it.

The problem is not that we are not doing anything about it, the problem is WE DO NOT WANT THIS GOVERNMENT”.”

Labour General Election, WE WANT YOU OUT NOW. YOU HAVE pi$$eD off most of the UK populace.

Shut the Door on ya way out.

Land of the free, home of the brave. Dont forget it.”

Seriously, educate yourself before you post, there have been thousands upon thousands of lawsuits in the US.

All they are doing here is sending out letters in the hope people will stop, theres no law suits, no 3 strikes rule, nothing.

If I get one, I will direct my ISP to the story of a printer getting one of theses notices.

Now Sky follows suite.

I am f***ing livid.

Can anyone recommend an ISP that doesn’t bend to big corporations. Doesn’t aggressively manage traffic, particularly limiting torrents (i use netlabels, open source trackers and other legal sources of torrents a lot) and possibly has plans to use the IPv6 protocol some time this century?

IMO, if people really want to send a message, they need to show that they are interested in legal alternatives. How many Britons illegally downloaded Dr Who via bit torrent, and how many watched it (or even legally downloaded it!!!) via iPlayer? I know that this article is about downloading music, but it’s the same principle. If you really want to enact change, you need to be willing to make some changes yourself. Download music that’s freely given (i.e., music on a Creative Commons copyright), and legally purchase the commercial music that you want. Otherwise it kind of looks like people just wanting free stuff.

I’d love to get one of these letters from BPI, I’d hang it on my wall, but if the government starts taking action against a file-sharer who can stand up in court and honestly say that the music he/she downloaded is all legal on the p2p network, it would go a long way in knocking back the BPI (and the MPAA, RIAA, etc).

Just my 2¢.

http://www.yoosk.com/celebrity/293/Matt_Phillips.aspx

Send in your views people.

Here it is:
http://www.28chan.org/fs/

Land of the free, home of the brave. Dont forget it.

Before we criticize others like the government for their faults and inability to take proper actions, we must first fix our own faults, and start to take proper actions. Before we do all this criticism of government, and before we demand that government do the right things, we must first do the right things ourselves, and start to take action in an active grassroots movement, rather than being apathetic.

The fact is that we must have solidarity. The problem is not that people are using insecure methods of file-sharing. The problem is not that people are using inferior file-sharing methods. The problem is that people are being persecuted for those methods of file-sharing. We should have sympathy for all people who were persecuted for file-sharing. Yes, they may have done something that can more easily be caught, but it does not make them any less of a victim of the current persecutions of file-sharing.

you appear to the outside world as if you came from the VPN provider.

there are many. some in Sweden (relakks.com) some in Switzerland (swissvpn.net i think). just google VPN and filter out “business”.

yes, you have to pay. about $5. but it means that the BPI and the US people cannot get your IP. sure they could trace back from their logs of IPs on torrents back to the VPN provider and maybe they would reveal who had the IP at that time (ie you) but they’re not going to do that , plus it’d be a real pain plus a different juristiction.

BPI most likely to ignore any foreign IPs or VPN IPs and move on to the next one.

but WHY should we have to use VPN? why not raise a flat levy on all torrent site users (share of their advertising) plus levy on the ISPs that offer bittorrent deals (obvisously thats what they are) and eveyrones happy. well artists and producers are happy. suits can go jump! they’re dead anyway!

The REAL problem is if the citizens (that are the majority) will accept SUBMISSIVELY this or not.”
Agreed. So far, I have seen no huge demonstrations against this. Sure people say that protests and all that are ineffective. But effect is not the purpose of protests – it is to show that there are people out there who are willing to spend effort to change things. In all the big political movements, there have been demonstrations and rallies. Therefore, protests are a logical first step.

Their current system of logging is to merely log addresses in swarms and in other p2p networks simply to log the ip addresses of search query results, no mystery and no effort for them, but as many p2p systems use a two tiered indexing system its quite likely the node they believe has the files may well not have them.

Common sense is the order of the day, lets stick to our guns and be ready to repel boarders :)

The REAL problem is if the citizens (that are the majority) will accept SUBMISSIVELY this or not.

anybody tried this????