Comments on: Open Letter From TorrentFreak To Brein http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Fri, 25 May 2012 19:38:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Alex Ultra http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-397586 Alex Ultra Tue, 27 May 2008 05:39:06 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-397586 To bittrucker (#20): From what I understand, this letter IS still just an idea, because it was never actually given to anyone, simply posted here for kicks and giggles amongst those who care. To Others: I don't know about copyright law (or rather I know About it, but simply don't care for the purposes of this comment), but the large part of the argument against BREIN in this case is not about a breach of copyright so much as a breach of professionalism (as noted in the letter above). Amongst normal citizenry, the people expect that law enforcement will, at times, have to enforce the law against other normal citizens, whether for legitimate reasons or for simply being a part of the law-enforcement process. It sucks, but for the most part we accept it. What we don't accept is when that enforcement is carried out unprofessionally: When we hear about a bunch of police officers beating a man to within inches of consciousness, we become upset not because they are arresting him, but because they are treating him inhumanely and not giving him the rights that we expect him to be given, and which those officers are expected to honor. When an organization such as BREIN (that name is already annoying me, by-the-way) carries through with legitimate arrests, others from outside their circles may grumble a bit but accept the steps, however when that same organization begins to use quote-unquote 'underhanded tactics', such as twisting the facts, hiding those things that may harm their cause whilst twisting other things to the optimum to help their cause (often to the point of presenting a statement that works at a paramount to its original context), and perhaps most grievously, hiding these breaches of professionalism to further their image of purity, those who see these things have a right to be upset because they are all methods of circumventing Law by using Propaganda (which, by the way, was the biggest weapon that the Nazi party used to win over the hearts of the German people, followed soon by the toppling of German Law). This, alone, however is of little consequence, after all the film industry has been using such tactics since its inception (horror stories of bad movies using the line "Two Thumbs Down!" and twisting them to read "Two Thumbs [..]!" come to mind), these things CAN be dealt with. The problem in this case is that this organization has used that propagandic, and a further lack of professionalism, to now hide the facts of their own breaches of the very laws that they seek so greatly to protect and enforce, once such things such as Copyright Infringement (no matter how small) and internal file sharing (which also infringes upon copyrights, by the very admission of the ones involved from what I read), it becomes no different from groups of Police Officers who bear the law with clubs and shotguns in the faces of unarmed men. The law-bearers become law-breakers, and soon the broken laws become changed to match the new laws that protect the law-breakers, and in all it would make the Nazi's proud (after all, that's how THEY had come to such power as they'd had, while blaming it on their opposition, as these BREIN people seem to be doing). With all this in mind, I can understand how a lot of people could be a tad miffed at even an inherently small breach of protocol, because history shows us that small things lead to big things, especially when perpetrated by those immune to repercussions from their crimes. So while I think that sueing them would likely be a waste of time, making them aware of the fact that they are acting unprofessionally and therefore treading upon dangerous ground seems, to me, to be fair. Also to be fair: Without copyright laws, I doubt that Gutenburgh would have made the printing press, which he otherwise would never have gotten anything back from his invention. On the other hand, if all laws were enforced with heavy-handed measures, no one would be making anything for the fear of being attacked by batteries of sword-bearing legionites; balance and sanity is needed, and MUST be proactively protected, lest... well, you know. It doesn't take much to cause the Balance of Justice to tip, and once tipped it takes extra effort to regain balance. Disclaimer: The names of BREIN, Nazi, Police-Officers, Law Enforcement, bittrucker, Others, and any other names, ideas, concepts, or references to individual identities that may or not be contractually owned by any party, whether involved in the discussion or not, are not owned by me and are used here without explicit permission. If asked by any party in contractual ownership of them, I would rescind my use of them to the full extent possible within my abilities (limited as they are), and seek permission for their use in the future. License for further use: Other than the above Disclaimer's limitations, I give all people, organizations, and even automated services full permission to use everything presented in this post, in full or in part, with or without citation, so long as the purpose of the above Disclaimer remains in effect. (A tad over-the-top, but with the current discussion being what it is, why take chances?) To bittrucker (#20):
From what I understand, this letter IS still just an idea, because it was never actually given to anyone, simply posted here for kicks and giggles amongst those who care.

To Others:
I don’t know about copyright law (or rather I know About it, but simply don’t care for the purposes of this comment), but the large part of the argument against BREIN in this case is not about a breach of copyright so much as a breach of professionalism (as noted in the letter above). Amongst normal citizenry, the people expect that law enforcement will, at times, have to enforce the law against other normal citizens, whether for legitimate reasons or for simply being a part of the law-enforcement process. It sucks, but for the most part we accept it. What we don’t accept is when that enforcement is carried out unprofessionally: When we hear about a bunch of police officers beating a man to within inches of consciousness, we become upset not because they are arresting him, but because they are treating him inhumanely and not giving him the rights that we expect him to be given, and which those officers are expected to honor. When an organization such as BREIN (that name is already annoying me, by-the-way) carries through with legitimate arrests, others from outside their circles may grumble a bit but accept the steps, however when that same organization begins to use quote-unquote ‘underhanded tactics’, such as twisting the facts, hiding those things that may harm their cause whilst twisting other things to the optimum to help their cause (often to the point of presenting a statement that works at a paramount to its original context), and perhaps most grievously, hiding these breaches of professionalism to further their image of purity, those who see these things have a right to be upset because they are all methods of circumventing Law by using Propaganda (which, by the way, was the biggest weapon that the Nazi party used to win over the hearts of the German people, followed soon by the toppling of German Law). This, alone, however is of little consequence, after all the film industry has been using such tactics since its inception (horror stories of bad movies using the line “Two Thumbs Down!” and twisting them to read “Two Thumbs [..]!” come to mind), these things CAN be dealt with. The problem in this case is that this organization has used that propagandic, and a further lack of professionalism, to now hide the facts of their own breaches of the very laws that they seek so greatly to protect and enforce, once such things such as Copyright Infringement (no matter how small) and internal file sharing (which also infringes upon copyrights, by the very admission of the ones involved from what I read), it becomes no different from groups of Police Officers who bear the law with clubs and shotguns in the faces of unarmed men. The law-bearers become law-breakers, and soon the broken laws become changed to match the new laws that protect the law-breakers, and in all it would make the Nazi’s proud (after all, that’s how THEY had come to such power as they’d had, while blaming it on their opposition, as these BREIN people seem to be doing).

With all this in mind, I can understand how a lot of people could be a tad miffed at even an inherently small breach of protocol, because history shows us that small things lead to big things, especially when perpetrated by those immune to repercussions from their crimes. So while I think that sueing them would likely be a waste of time, making them aware of the fact that they are acting unprofessionally and therefore treading upon dangerous ground seems, to me, to be fair.

Also to be fair: Without copyright laws, I doubt that Gutenburgh would have made the printing press, which he otherwise would never have gotten anything back from his invention. On the other hand, if all laws were enforced with heavy-handed measures, no one would be making anything for the fear of being attacked by batteries of sword-bearing legionites; balance and sanity is needed, and MUST be proactively protected, lest… well, you know. It doesn’t take much to cause the Balance of Justice to tip, and once tipped it takes extra effort to regain balance.

Disclaimer: The names of BREIN, Nazi, Police-Officers, Law Enforcement, bittrucker, Others, and any other names, ideas, concepts, or references to individual identities that may or not be contractually owned by any party, whether involved in the discussion or not, are not owned by me and are used here without explicit permission. If asked by any party in contractual ownership of them, I would rescind my use of them to the full extent possible within my abilities (limited as they are), and seek permission for their use in the future.

License for further use: Other than the above Disclaimer’s limitations, I give all people, organizations, and even automated services full permission to use everything presented in this post, in full or in part, with or without citation, so long as the purpose of the above Disclaimer remains in effect.

(A tad over-the-top, but with the current discussion being what it is, why take chances?)

]]> By: articles http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-359407 articles Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:53:28 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-359407 <strong>articles...</strong> Some hotels don't conforms the descriptions, that is why real reviews of people who stayed there are very useful.... articles…

Some hotels don’t conforms the descriptions, that is why real reviews of people who stayed there are very useful….

]]> By: anonym http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-353768 anonym Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:16:57 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-353768 Man don't back up I'm serious I know some lawyers in Holland if you have solid evidence you should pull it off! We have here a liberal court system you could bring up the demonoid incident as example and if the court doesn't justify your claim then they expelled demonoid without any legal base. Thats pretty much ignoring the Dutch constitution. Man don’t back up I’m serious I know some lawyers in Holland if you have solid evidence you should pull it off!
We have here a liberal court system you could bring up the demonoid incident as example and if the court doesn’t justify your claim then they
expelled demonoid without any legal base. Thats pretty much ignoring the Dutch constitution.

]]> By: injxs uegbh http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-332677 injxs uegbh Sun, 06 Apr 2008 00:12:01 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-332677 bmqd qksg xlzsciqda atsblfdux bfvi rizpdyj nbaxisep bmqd qksg xlzsciqda atsblfdux bfvi rizpdyj nbaxisep

]]> By: BugBoy http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-286071 BugBoy Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:20:26 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-286071 [quote comment="224318"]I'm surprised nobody has said the word "plagarism" here by now, because that's what it boils down to... and I'd think in the EU, there'd be far more legal precedent to nail them on plagarism, than on piracy. All the same, this is a good way to wake Brein up to just how insane they truly are.[/quote] Plagarism is different. That is taking someone elses work and claiming as your own, or giving no references to the authors. Copying and sharing or distribution cannot be called plagarism - unless the copier also says "I made this". [quote comment="224318"]I’m surprised nobody has said the word “plagarism” here by now, because that’s what it boils down to… and I’d think in the EU, there’d be far more legal precedent to nail them on plagarism, than on piracy.

All the same, this is a good way to wake Brein up to just how insane they truly are.[/quote]

Plagarism is different. That is taking someone elses work and claiming as your own, or giving no references to the authors.

Copying and sharing or distribution cannot be called plagarism – unless the copier also says “I made this”.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-249633 Anonymous Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:01:57 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-249633 [quote comment="223612"][quote comment="223599"]if anyone stole my stereo i'd stab that fucker in the throat, male or female that fucker would get a parker pen trach job from me[/quote] I would kick them in the nutz so hard their nutz would be cracked leaking semen and filling up their scrotem sack. No roshambo here. If its a female, I'd be like stop stealing my stereo and get your b_tch azz in the kitchen and make me some pie. Then I'd stab her in the carroted vein in her neck. Steal my stereo you better get ready to bake.[/quote] LOL WUT [quote comment="223612"][quote comment="223599"]if anyone stole my stereo i’d stab that fucker in the throat, male or female that fucker would get a parker pen trach job from me[/quote]
I would kick them in the nutz so hard their nutz would be cracked leaking semen and filling up their scrotem sack. No roshambo here. If its a female, I’d be like stop stealing my stereo and get your b_tch azz in the kitchen and make me some pie. Then I’d stab her in the carroted vein in her neck. Steal my stereo you better get ready to bake.[/quote]

LOL WUT

]]> By: josh http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-227862 josh Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:38:05 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-227862 I think you should have tried to take legal action and sue for moral damages. I think you should have tried to take legal action and sue for moral damages.

]]> By: deedree http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-227481 deedree Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:00:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-227481 Did someone already mention BREIN is the dutch anti piracy organisation? BREIN means brain in dutch...... Definitely ironical. I am sitting here with red cheeks of shame. Thank you torrentfreak for your elaborate actions. I think this is an intellectual approach of problems and that is the best approach. ^^ Did someone already mention BREIN is the dutch anti piracy organisation? BREIN means brain in dutch……

Definitely ironical.
I am sitting here with red cheeks of shame.
Thank you torrentfreak for your elaborate actions. I think this is an intellectual approach of problems and that is the best approach. ^^

]]> By: Irish http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-227038 Irish Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:48:58 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-227038 LOL Surely you can't expect some of these armchair critics who have done nothing in their lives except criticise everyone else to understand irony? Superb letter, proves that not everyone who supports piracy is an illiterate. LOL Surely you can’t expect some of these armchair critics who have done nothing in their lives except criticise everyone else to understand irony?

Superb letter, proves that not everyone who supports piracy is an illiterate.

]]> By: Lenny http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-226984 Lenny Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:02:11 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-226984 Delicious ironies here. The letter is a brilliantly worded parody of the kind of letters sent out by anti-piracy organisations such as BREIN, yet (some) of the responses are a brilliant parody of the intellectually retarded 13 year old itellectual maggots that have destroyed Slyck, P2PNet and made Zeropaid such an unpleasant place to be. Great letter, superb delivery and very tongue in cheek. 10/10 Delicious ironies here. The letter is a brilliantly worded parody of the kind of letters sent out by anti-piracy organisations such as BREIN, yet (some) of the responses are a brilliant parody of the intellectually retarded 13 year old itellectual maggots that have destroyed Slyck, P2PNet and made Zeropaid such an unpleasant place to be.

Great letter, superb delivery and very tongue in cheek. 10/10

]]> By: J http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-226305 J Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:23:41 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-226305 Lame, TF. You have a poor understanding of copyright law and I'm sure your bluff has done nothing to scare the MPAA. Lame, TF. You have a poor understanding of copyright law and I’m sure your bluff has done nothing to scare the MPAA.

]]> By: torrent woman http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-225276 torrent woman Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:11:47 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-225276 If u interesting in downloading by torrent client and u looking for good invite from good web site go through this link http://tracker-invites.org/index.php?referredby=2546 and make registry and have invite and trade invite also good luck If u interesting in downloading by torrent client and u looking for good invite from good web site go through this link http://tracker-invites.org/index.php?referredby=2546 and make registry and have invite and trade invite also good luck

]]> By: pablo http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-225273 pablo Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:08:26 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-225273 Spread the word! Spread the word!

]]> By: anon http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-225114 anon Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:03:13 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-225114 LOL just can't stop LOL just can’t stop

]]> By: Chief http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224858 Chief Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:50:37 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224858 For the record, I still support suing them For the record, I still support suing them

]]> By: d y z http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224843 d y z Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:28:49 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224843 I can't believe alot of people can't understand a joke or some sort of "sarcasm" :D I can’t believe alot of people can’t understand a joke or some sort of “sarcasm” :D

]]> By: lawstudent http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224748 lawstudent Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:43:32 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224748 [quote comment="223663"]"There is, and there can never be, any legitimacy attached to your harassment." Lot of praise for a letter with such an obvious mistake.[/quote] Yeah, I was kind of hoping that this typo somehow made it on here, but wasn't in the letter they sent. But, I also somehow find that to be unlikely. Too bad. Also, as has been pointed out, Wikipedia isn't exactly a citation begging to be taken seriously in a legal context. Nonetheless, I like the spirit of the letter. [quote comment="223663"]“There is, and there can never be, any legitimacy attached to your harassment.”

Lot of praise for a letter with such an obvious mistake.[/quote]

Yeah, I was kind of hoping that this typo somehow made it on here, but wasn’t in the letter they sent. But, I also somehow find that to be unlikely. Too bad.

Also, as has been pointed out, Wikipedia isn’t exactly a citation begging to be taken seriously in a legal context.

Nonetheless, I like the spirit of the letter.

]]> By: lol http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224647 lol Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:20:46 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224647 it would be more fun if you sued :P it would be more fun if you sued :P

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224508 Anonymous Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:34:27 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224508 jixx, there are speed limits in Germany. jixx, there are speed limits in Germany.

]]> By: Alex http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224485 Alex Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:07:10 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224485 [quote comment="223455"]They will never answer this letter :D They are too stupid to understand it's contents.[/quote] BAHAHAHAAAA [quote comment="223455"]They will never answer this letter :D

They are too stupid to understand it’s contents.[/quote]
BAHAHAHAAAA

]]> By: SirronTM http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224463 SirronTM Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:31:39 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224463 I couldn't have said it better myself, great job. Unlike some open letters, we KNOW this one will get read by those it is addressed to. Because we know they read your site. Let's just hope they don't misquote it out of context. Gets you thinking, what do these guys do for fun...? In a world where its technically illegal to watch a DVD you borrowed from a friend, I should think legal entertainment is hard to come by. Weirdos. I couldn’t have said it better myself, great job. Unlike some open letters, we KNOW this one will get read by those it is addressed to. Because we know they read your site. Let’s just hope they don’t misquote it out of context.

Gets you thinking, what do these guys do for fun…? In a world where its technically illegal to watch a DVD you borrowed from a friend, I should think legal entertainment is hard to come by. Weirdos.

]]> By: Roel http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224399 Roel Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:23:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224399 [quote comment="224278"]Ja, maar wacht even, het is natuurlijk wel waar wat BREIN zegt. = "yes, but hold on, it is ofcourse true what Brein is saying."[/quote] Thank you Jack B. [quote comment="224278"]Ja, maar wacht even, het is natuurlijk wel waar wat BREIN zegt.

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“yes, but hold on, it is ofcourse true what Brein is saying.”[/quote]
Thank you Jack B.

]]> By: Ben http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224388 Ben Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:49:42 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224388 [quote comment="224063"]Congratulations, you are #1 stupid on the Internet![/quote]Yet you will end up on the losing side here. Wonder why. [quote comment="224063"]Congratulations, you are #1 stupid on the Internet![/quote]Yet you will end up on the losing side here. Wonder why.

]]> By: torrent man http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224345 torrent man Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:35:45 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224345 If u interesting in downloading by torrent client and u looking for good invite from good web site go through this link http://tracker-invites.org/index.php?referredby=2546 and make registry and have invite and trade invite also good luck If u interesting in downloading by torrent client and u looking for good invite from good web site go through this link http://tracker-invites.org/index.php?referredby=2546 and make registry and have invite and trade invite also good luck

]]> By: jixx http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224335 jixx Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:15:30 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224335 @92: there is no speedlimit in germany. so no car in the world is too fast. @92: there is no speedlimit in germany. so no car in the world is too fast.

]]> By: AnonymousChicken http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224318 AnonymousChicken Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:43:21 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224318 I'm surprised nobody has said the word "plagarism" here by now, because that's what it boils down to... and I'd think in the EU, there'd be far more legal precedent to nail them on plagarism, than on piracy. All the same, this is a good way to wake Brein up to just how insane they truly are. I’m surprised nobody has said the word “plagarism” here by now, because that’s what it boils down to… and I’d think in the EU, there’d be far more legal precedent to nail them on plagarism, than on piracy.

All the same, this is a good way to wake Brein up to just how insane they truly are.

]]> By: theninjasquad http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224305 theninjasquad Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:11:37 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224305 gahhh can't wait to see what their response is. gahhh can’t wait to see what their response is.

]]> By: Jack B http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224278 Jack B Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:28:32 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224278 Ja, maar wacht even, het is natuurlijk wel waar wat BREIN zegt. = "yes, but hold on, it is ofcourse true what Brein is saying." Ja, maar wacht even, het is natuurlijk wel waar wat BREIN zegt.

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“yes, but hold on, it is ofcourse true what Brein is saying.”

]]> By: freek http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224247 freek Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:12:28 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224247 [quote comment="224215"]Ja, maar wacht even, het is natuurlijk wel waar wat BREIN zegt.[/quote] I think it's Ochbloggish [quote comment="224215"]Ja, maar wacht even, het is natuurlijk wel waar wat BREIN zegt.[/quote]

I think it’s Ochbloggish

]]> By: KungfuTornado http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224225 KungfuTornado Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:32:39 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224225 Don't think that's German. Don’t think that’s German.

]]> By: Roel http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224217 Roel Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:16:45 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224217 [quote comment="224215"]Ja, maar wacht even, het is natuurlijk wel waar wat BREIN zegt.[/quote] Sorry I don't understand German. Can anyone please translate this? Thanks. [quote comment="224215"]Ja, maar wacht even, het is natuurlijk wel waar wat BREIN zegt.[/quote]
Sorry I don’t understand German. Can anyone please translate this? Thanks.

]]> By: Maks http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224215 Maks Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:13:07 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224215 Ja, maar wacht even, het is natuurlijk wel waar wat BREIN zegt. Ja, maar wacht even, het is natuurlijk wel waar wat BREIN zegt.

]]> By: Internetrecht: actualiteiten en commentaar http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224207 Internetrecht: actualiteiten en commentaar Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:04:38 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224207 <strong>TorrentFreak snapt citaatrecht niet, stuurt open brief naar BREIN...</strong> Nou nou nou. TorrentFreak ziet dat stichting BREIN (die hard bezig is torrentsites te sluiten) tekst van hen overneemt en lanceert gelijk maar een open brief: Specifically, your organization has selectively and misleadingly quoted from our publicatio... TorrentFreak snapt citaatrecht niet, stuurt open brief naar BREIN…

Nou nou nou. TorrentFreak ziet dat stichting BREIN (die hard bezig is torrentsites te sluiten) tekst van hen overneemt en lanceert gelijk maar een open brief:

Specifically, your organization has selectively and misleadingly quoted from our publicatio…

]]> By: Roel http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224206 Roel Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:03:46 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224206 LOL LOL

]]> By: hoodlum http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224201 hoodlum Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:54:02 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224201 you lost me at "vociferous".. you lost me at “vociferous”..

]]> By: nicework http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224135 nicework Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:43:42 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224135 amazing, good job =) amazing, good job =)

]]> By: Comcast http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224063 Comcast Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:19:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224063 Hurray! Once again, TorrentFreak has shown publicly how stupid and ignorant it is by saying "..SumoTorrent is open source, copyright has never been asserted or it is in the public domain."! Congratulations, you are #1 stupid on the Internet! Hurray! Once again, TorrentFreak has shown publicly how stupid and ignorant it is by saying “..SumoTorrent is open source, copyright has never been asserted or it is in the public domain.”! Congratulations, you are #1 stupid on the Internet!

]]> By: Cartman http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224051 Cartman Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:48:04 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224051 [quote comment="224034"]Oh and FINALLY!! All you RIAA GOONS!! All of your music shops and outlets are ILLEGAL and should be closed down immediatly. You are infringing on the copyright holders by making copyrighted works available. Just as in the Jamie Thomas case you've shown that making available should be illegal. So I must strongly suggest you close down all your retail outlets as you are making all this copyrighted material available to potential shoplifters![/quote] ROFLMAO! Good one! Hahahahaha! [quote comment="224034"]Oh and FINALLY!!

All you RIAA GOONS!!

All of your music shops and outlets are ILLEGAL and should be closed down immediatly.

You are infringing on the copyright holders by making copyrighted works available. Just as in the Jamie Thomas case you’ve shown that making available should be illegal. So I must strongly suggest you close down all your retail outlets as you are making all this copyrighted material available to potential shoplifters![/quote]
ROFLMAO! Good one! Hahahahaha!

]]> By: Ola http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224040 Ola Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:13:41 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224040 [quote comment="223554"]Could someone translate this letter in Dutch, it could be possible that (the ignorant) mr Kuik or one of his associates will not be able too fully understand this letter.[/quote]Remember, Mr Kuik is on the (secret) MPAA payroll. He has lived there for quite some time. They've been teaching him their scare-mongering tactics. So he sure as heck can read this! http://wiki.retecool.com/index.php/Tim_Kuik [quote comment="223554"]Could someone translate this letter in Dutch, it could be possible that (the ignorant) mr Kuik or one of his associates will not be able too fully understand this letter.[/quote]Remember, Mr Kuik is on the (secret) MPAA payroll. He has lived there for quite some time. They’ve been teaching him their scare-mongering tactics.
So he sure as heck can read this!

http://wiki.retecool.com/index.php/Tim_Kuik

]]> By: Steven http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224034 Steven Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:08:50 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224034 Oh and FINALLY!! All you RIAA GOONS!! All of your music shops and outlets are ILLEGAL and should be closed down immediatly. You are infringing on the copyright holders by making copyrighted works available. Just as in the Jamie Thomas case you've shown that making available should be illegal. So I must strongly suggest you close down all your retail outlets as you are making all this copyrighted material available to potential shoplifters! Oh and FINALLY!!

All you RIAA GOONS!!

All of your music shops and outlets are ILLEGAL and should be closed down immediatly.

You are infringing on the copyright holders by making copyrighted works available. Just as in the Jamie Thomas case you’ve shown that making available should be illegal. So I must strongly suggest you close down all your retail outlets as you are making all this copyrighted material available to potential shoplifters!

]]> By: Steven http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224029 Steven Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:04:46 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224029 Here's so more information that the RIAA, MPIAA and the rest think should be illegal. 1: to kill a person, one just needs to shoot them with a gun. 2: you can steal a car by using a tow truck. 3: There's a lot of money in banks, ill show you where the safe is. 4: You know alot of cars can go faster than the speed limit! And so on, and so on. All this info should be accorind to the RIAA and thier outdated dogs, should be illegal. Here’s so more information that the RIAA, MPIAA and the rest think should be illegal.

1: to kill a person, one just needs to shoot them with a gun.

2: you can steal a car by using a tow truck.

3: There’s a lot of money in banks, ill show you where the safe is.

4: You know alot of cars can go faster than the speed limit!

And so on, and so on.

All this info should be accorind to the RIAA and thier outdated dogs, should be illegal.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224025 Anonymous Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:55:42 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224025 WRONG.. If your statement was to hold any truth than.. - Computer Manufacturers - Home Data Cable Manufacturers and Installers - College Campuses - ISPs - Modem and Router Manufacturers - Computer Stores - YouTube, Google and other Video Services (which by the way get Cease & Desist letters daily) all facilitate the distribution of potentially copyrighted material. Oh and lets not forget the biggest one of all - BitTorrent, Inc. who facilitates the actual transfer of thousands of copyrighted content daily through the protocol and uTorrent. [quote comment="223999"][quote comment="223949"]Some dickheads around. seriously, TorrentFreak doesn't promote the use of illegal torrents. Torrents aren't even illegal. Are you about 55+ years old? You haven't got a fucking clue how torrents work. Piss off back into your faggot SAAB and drive home and SHUT UP.[/quote] Torrents that serve to bring peers together in order for one to transfer and another to acquire copyrighted material are illegal. There's really no way around that. It's people like you (who deny that 99% of all torrents foster copyright infringement and that sites like TF don't promote the illegal use of torrents when clearly they do) that make it difficult for the torrent model to be revolutionize the way we look at file sharing and IP. Your comments serve to isolate the torrent community and to re-solidify to mainstream society that people who torrent have no other goals bit to download copyrighted material and then spend the rest of their time trying to defend their actions. Aside of course from making weird comments such as presuming that people who drive Saabs don't know what torrents are. (???)[/quote] WRONG.. If your statement was to hold any truth than..

- Computer Manufacturers
- Home Data Cable Manufacturers and Installers
- College Campuses
- ISPs
- Modem and Router Manufacturers
- Computer Stores
- YouTube, Google and other Video Services (which by the way get Cease & Desist letters daily)

all facilitate the distribution of potentially copyrighted material. Oh and lets not forget the biggest one of all – BitTorrent, Inc. who facilitates the actual transfer of thousands of copyrighted content daily through the protocol and uTorrent.

[quote comment="223999"][quote comment="223949"]Some dickheads around. seriously, TorrentFreak doesn’t promote the use of illegal torrents.

Torrents aren’t even illegal. Are you about 55+ years old?

You haven’t got a fucking clue how torrents work. Piss off back into your faggot SAAB and drive home and SHUT UP.[/quote]

Torrents that serve to bring peers together in order for one to transfer and another to acquire copyrighted material are illegal. There’s really no way around that. It’s people like you (who deny that 99% of all torrents foster copyright infringement and that sites like TF don’t promote the illegal use of torrents when clearly they do) that make it difficult for the torrent model to be revolutionize the way we look at file sharing and IP.

Your comments serve to isolate the torrent community and to re-solidify to mainstream society that people who torrent have no other goals bit to download copyrighted material and then spend the rest of their time trying to defend their actions. Aside of course from making weird comments such as presuming that people who drive Saabs don’t know what torrents are. (???)[/quote]

]]> By: Steven http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224023 Steven Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:51:59 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224023 Actually.. A senario: 1) I offer you some info on how to shoplift. Pick up the product and run! Option: If you think this information should be illegal then you don't belong in a democratic country. I think most people would agree, torrents are no more dangerous thant this very same info. Actually..

A senario:

1) I offer you some info on how to shoplift. Pick up the product and run!

Option: If you think this information should be illegal then you don’t belong in a democratic country.

I think most people would agree, torrents are no more dangerous thant this very same info.

]]> By: Bockenstein http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224008 Bockenstein Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:17:30 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-224008 No.. I think you are way out of the mainstream views. Torrents are a normal thing on the internet. Downloading media via torrents, is normal. It's only recently when you obvious latecomers come to the internet and go.. omg what's this all about. Times have changed, media will continue to be distributed like this. Oh and Torrents that serve to bring peers together in order for one to transfer and another to acquire copyrighted material are illegal. It's not in my country and in many others. Maybe you should relly your government, that's obviously a pretty nasty country you live in. No..

I think you are way out of the mainstream views.

Torrents are a normal thing on the internet.

Downloading media via torrents, is normal. It’s only recently when you obvious latecomers come to the internet and go.. omg what’s this all about.

Times have changed, media will continue to be distributed like this.

Oh and Torrents that serve to bring peers together in order for one to transfer and another to acquire copyrighted material are illegal.

It’s not in my country and in many others. Maybe you should relly your government, that’s obviously a pretty nasty country you live in.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-223999 Anonymous Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:54:12 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-223999 [quote comment="223949"]Some dickheads around. seriously, TorrentFreak doesn't promote the use of illegal torrents. Torrents aren't even illegal. Are you about 55+ years old? You haven't got a fucking clue how torrents work. Piss off back into your faggot SAAB and drive home and SHUT UP.[/quote] Torrents that serve to bring peers together in order for one to transfer and another to acquire copyrighted material are illegal. There's really no way around that. It's people like you (who deny that 99% of all torrents foster copyright infringement and that sites like TF don't promote the illegal use of torrents when clearly they do) that make it difficult for the torrent model to be revolutionize the way we look at file sharing and IP. Your comments serve to isolate the torrent community and to re-solidify to mainstream society that people who torrent have no other goals bit to download copyrighted material and then spend the rest of their time trying to defend their actions. Aside of course from making weird comments such as presuming that people who drive Saabs don't know what torrents are. (???) [quote comment="223949"]Some dickheads around. seriously, TorrentFreak doesn’t promote the use of illegal torrents.

Torrents aren’t even illegal. Are you about 55+ years old?

You haven’t got a fucking clue how torrents work. Piss off back into your faggot SAAB and drive home and SHUT UP.[/quote]

Torrents that serve to bring peers together in order for one to transfer and another to acquire copyrighted material are illegal. There’s really no way around that. It’s people like you (who deny that 99% of all torrents foster copyright infringement and that sites like TF don’t promote the illegal use of torrents when clearly they do) that make it difficult for the torrent model to be revolutionize the way we look at file sharing and IP.

Your comments serve to isolate the torrent community and to re-solidify to mainstream society that people who torrent have no other goals bit to download copyrighted material and then spend the rest of their time trying to defend their actions. Aside of course from making weird comments such as presuming that people who drive Saabs don’t know what torrents are. (???)

]]> By: KungFuTornado http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-223996 KungFuTornado Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:42:05 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-223996 How is downloading music a crime? As quoted by Gertnerbot. How is downloading music a crime?

As quoted by Gertnerbot.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-223992 Anonymous Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:33:54 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-223992 [quote comment="223838"]They are attacking you with STEALING property and all you can come back with is a mere attack on a quote that was used without written consent! Are you kidding me? Do you really think that this letter will do anything but be a joke at their office? Downloading music is a crime and you are offering the chance for people to download music, therefore, you are part of the problem. Artist's work hard to produce their pieces and them some punk teenager or middle-aged ass living in his parents basement steals from them. I bet if you made a deal with them, they would stop harrassing you. Everytime someone downloads an album, or collection thereof, from your site, a guy will come to your door and punch you in the face. Does that sound reasonable?[/quote] Sounds like some troll's got a dick in there asshole... [quote comment="223838"]They are attacking you with STEALING property and all you can come back with is a mere attack on a quote that was used without written consent! Are you kidding me? Do you really think that this letter will do anything but be a joke at their office? Downloading music is a crime and you are offering the chance for people to download music, therefore, you are part of the problem. Artist’s work hard to produce their pieces and them some punk teenager or middle-aged ass living in his parents basement steals from them. I bet if you made a deal with them, they would stop harrassing you. Everytime someone downloads an album, or collection thereof, from your site, a guy will come to your door and punch you in the face. Does that sound reasonable?[/quote]

Sounds like some troll’s got a dick in there asshole…

]]> By: Reth SInnS http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-223989 Reth SInnS Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:30:38 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-223989 simply beautiful simply beautiful

]]> By: Taylor Hewitt http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-223956 Taylor Hewitt Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:41:24 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-223956 epic win epic win

]]> By: Moo, I'm at UCF http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-223954 Moo, I'm at UCF Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:40:23 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/open-letter-from-torrentfreak-to-brein-071125/#comment-223954 hmm. hot topic. sad world hmm. hot topic.

sad world

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