Comments on: Piracy, Morals and The Need for Change http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Fri, 25 May 2012 20:10:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Introducing Canada’s DMCA — Alec Saunders SquawkBox http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-406649 Introducing Canada’s DMCA — Alec Saunders SquawkBox Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:46:02 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-406649 [...] Piracy, Morals and The Need for Change [via Zemanta] [...] [...] Piracy, Morals and The Need for Change [via Zemanta] [...]

]]> By: Study: Piracy is Caused by Poor Choice at IDTorrent Blog http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-306374 Study: Piracy is Caused by Poor Choice at IDTorrent Blog Sat, 08 Mar 2008 03:35:55 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-306374 [...] fact that one third of the UK citizens can be labeled as a pirate is thus a signal that these customers want something that is not available through other channels. It's more about [...] [...] fact that one third of the UK citizens can be labeled as a pirate is thus a signal that these customers want something that is not available through other channels. It’s more about [...]

]]> By: ArtyTorrent http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-304826 ArtyTorrent Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:01:29 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-304826 The rights and wrongs of copyright are a slight red-herring. What is really happening is a war over the control of distribution of digital data. Record companies make their money using an outdated business model. The younger generation doesn't want to go to record stores and buy CDs, it wants to point and click, listen and then possibly delete. There is really no need for old-style CD-duplication and marketing campaigns. A musician doesn't NEED a record company that takes 95% of the price of a CD away from the artist. More bands should leave their labels and follow the Radiohead/Trent Reznor/Saul Williams blueprint. If I had a band right now, I'd upload all my songs to MySpace and just have a "DONATE HERE IF YOU LIKED THIS MUSIC AND WANT US TO MAKE MORE" button. If we get music from its source, we'll find out its true value. Most of the money spent on CDs goes to fat cat execs and lawyers. THEY are the ones doing the stealing: stealing from the musicians. The rights and wrongs of copyright are a slight red-herring. What is really happening is a war over the control of distribution of digital data. Record companies make their money using an outdated business model. The younger generation doesn’t want to go to record stores and buy CDs, it wants to point and click, listen and then possibly delete. There is really no need for old-style CD-duplication and marketing campaigns. A musician doesn’t NEED a record company that takes 95% of the price of a CD away from the artist. More bands should leave their labels and follow the Radiohead/Trent Reznor/Saul Williams blueprint. If I had a band right now, I’d upload all my songs to MySpace and just have a “DONATE HERE IF YOU LIKED THIS MUSIC AND WANT US TO MAKE MORE” button. If we get music from its source, we’ll find out its true value. Most of the money spent on CDs goes to fat cat execs and lawyers. THEY are the ones doing the stealing: stealing from the musicians.

]]> By: » It’s Round-Up Day! http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-300781 » It’s Round-Up Day! Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:39:11 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-300781 [...] Piracy, Morals and the Need For Change - TorrentFreak does it again with a great article examining the moral dilemma our technological [...] [...] Piracy, Morals and the Need For Change – TorrentFreak does it again with a great article examining the moral dilemma our technological [...]

]]> By: mark http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-287936 mark Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:03:37 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-287936 Pay as you go wireless broadband internet is going to be big! and very anonymous as well. Will the ISP's shoot their own feet off! I dont think so. The old make the money from distribution model will not work for the big entertainment companies any more and the should already be competing with itunes by offering 10p a track downloads. The network is expanding, wimax is coming symmetrical is coming, wireless sharing, bluetooth,open source, I am a new artist and will not be distributing my art through the current distributers, I will be like Man U dealing direct with my customers, downloading is a lot easier then going out and finding the phsyical product. Pay as you go wireless broadband internet is going to be big! and very anonymous as well. Will the ISP’s shoot their own feet off! I dont think so. The old make the money from distribution model will not work for the big entertainment companies any more and the should already be competing with itunes by offering 10p a track downloads.
The network is expanding, wimax is coming symmetrical is coming, wireless sharing, bluetooth,open source,

I am a new artist and will not be distributing my art through the current distributers, I will be like Man U dealing direct with my customers, downloading is a lot easier then going out and finding the phsyical product.

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]]> By: businessmodel innovation _ design » Piracy as Innovation Strategy http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-268045 businessmodel innovation _ design » Piracy as Innovation Strategy Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:29:50 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-268045 [...] yes, here’s some more stuff on innovative business models in the media industry. I enjoyed Piracy, Morals and The Need for Change and The Generational Divide in Copyright Morality by David Pogue in the NYT. It’s all about [...] [...] yes, here’s some more stuff on innovative business models in the media industry. I enjoyed Piracy, Morals and The Need for Change and The Generational Divide in Copyright Morality by David Pogue in the NYT. It’s all about [...]

]]> By: Gregory http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-266699 Gregory Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:43:37 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-266699 Hey Gaetano, you are correct abut this important distinction. It would be good for everyone to understand the true nature of their "taking without paying." But still. If you take something you know is created by someone else and intended for proper sale and yet you use technology to hide while taking it for no payment, thereby willfully circumventing their compensation, I hope the ISP's filter it all and I hope they kick the thieves off the network. Human decency and fair business ethics require nothing less. Hey Gaetano, you are correct abut this important distinction. It would be good for everyone to understand the true nature of their “taking without paying.” But still.

If you take something you know is created by someone else and intended for proper sale and yet you use technology to hide while taking it for no payment, thereby willfully circumventing their compensation, I hope the ISP’s filter it all and I hope they kick the thieves off the network. Human decency and fair business ethics require nothing less.

]]> By: Gaetano http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-262994 Gaetano Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:25:21 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-262994 Please keep in mind that infringing copyright is not stealing. it is a common misconception caused by the abuse of the term contained in the entertainment industries anti-piracy ads helped by the lack of copyright and criminal law background of the people involved in the discussion. no matter where you are from you can easily pick up a code and check: under the definition of the criminal offence you will notice that: The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorised taking, keeping or using of another's property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use. it is hardly possible to "permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use" in intellectual property. gaetano Please keep in mind that infringing copyright is not stealing.

it is a common misconception caused by the abuse of the term contained in the entertainment industries anti-piracy ads helped by the lack of copyright and criminal law background of the people involved in the discussion.

no matter where you are from you can easily pick up a code and check: under the definition of the criminal offence you will notice that:

The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorised taking, keeping or using of another’s property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use.

it is hardly possible to “permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use” in intellectual property.

gaetano

]]> By: Gregory http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-252141 Gregory Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:27:50 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-252141 StealthC said: " We are all screwed already and we don't even know it yet." Well. YOU SURE ARE, thinking and ranting that way. It's always entertaining to see someone rant about how Socialism "works" in spite of a 1000 years of documented, repeat failure. Socialism runs counter to human nature. It will fail everytime. It's an argument with reality. Those who work within the laws and profit, support the laws. And those who cannot figure out how to make the system work for them? They rant about the need for Socialism, so the proceeds of someone elses work and success must be handed over to them, too. (I don't think so.) Poor StealthC. Can't profit from the system. Hang in there little buddy. StealthC said:
” We are all screwed already and we don’t even know it yet.”

Well. YOU SURE ARE, thinking and ranting that way. It’s always entertaining to see someone rant about how Socialism “works” in spite of a 1000 years of documented, repeat failure. Socialism runs counter to human nature. It will fail everytime. It’s an argument with reality. Those who work within the laws and profit, support the laws. And those who cannot figure out how to make the system work for them? They rant about the need for Socialism, so the proceeds of someone elses work and success must be handed over to them, too. (I don’t think so.)

Poor StealthC. Can’t profit from the system. Hang in there little buddy.

]]> By: StealthC http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-250696 StealthC Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:21:21 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-250696 I don't care if they charge 1 penny per song. I'll always download for free. And I won't sit there and look at ads. I'm tired of being brainwashed and manipulated by all of these corporate cocksuckers. They do nothing good for society they just sit there and make money to support their lavish lifestyles. The real people making contributions to society do it and expect nothing, not even a thriving business in return. Our capitolistic system needs an overhaul. We don't need choice, we need shit that actually works. We need less crap. We need more time for ourselves. We need a chance to do something for the world rather than being stuck in a dead end wallmart job. We need an economy of co-operation, not one of exploitation (which is just economic slavery). We need fewer useless human beings that have no means of survival with their own two hands. We are too dependent. We need less chemically fed crap in our diets. We need less government regulation over our lives. Pure socialism would indeed work today. I'd gladly give it a try. Kick out the damned capitolists, get rid of the politicians, and let us manage our own fuckin lives instead of shoving this fake bs existance of slaving 40 hours a week for pretty much nothing down our throats because we ain't that dumb, are we? Seems like we are collectively dumb as a people. Corporations can kiss my hairy cornhole and suck on it, I have no use for them since clearly they are corrupt. We'd all have more by expanding the public domain. Instead these greedy cocksuckers have figured out ways to do almost nothing and get us to be subserviant to them, and they'll kill all of earth just to keep it that way. They'll get politicians to rob you of rights that are the spirit of a democracy. All this corruption makes me sick, I'm tired of this elitist bs. Everybody that wants to learn should be-able to get educated, and demonstration of that education should be what it takes to prove that you can do it, not some stupid $30,000 piece of paper from a school but actual demonstration of knowledge, actual testing, which shouldn't be raping our lives getting us to pay with slavery time. Let's face it sooner or later they'll discover ways to make us all trapped, and to make us all into total slaves. They just ain't gunna do that till we've blindly given them all the technology and resources needed to make an airtight implementation of it, air tight as in there will be no means for us to fight their agenda. We are all screwed already and we don't even know it yet. I don’t care if they charge 1 penny per song. I’ll always download for free. And I won’t sit there and look at ads. I’m tired of being brainwashed and manipulated by all of these corporate cocksuckers. They do nothing good for society they just sit there and make money to support their lavish lifestyles. The real people making contributions to society do it and expect nothing, not even a thriving business in return. Our capitolistic system needs an overhaul. We don’t need choice, we need shit that actually works. We need less crap. We need more time for ourselves. We need a chance to do something for the world rather than being stuck in a dead end wallmart job. We need an economy of co-operation, not one of exploitation (which is just economic slavery). We need fewer useless human beings that have no means of survival with their own two hands. We are too dependent. We need less chemically fed crap in our diets. We need less government regulation over our lives. Pure socialism would indeed work today. I’d gladly give it a try. Kick out the damned capitolists, get rid of the politicians, and let us manage our own fuckin lives instead of shoving this fake bs existance of slaving 40 hours a week for pretty much nothing down our throats because we ain’t that dumb, are we? Seems like we are collectively dumb as a people.

Corporations can kiss my hairy cornhole and suck on it, I have no use for them since clearly they are corrupt. We’d all have more by expanding the public domain. Instead these greedy cocksuckers have figured out ways to do almost nothing and get us to be subserviant to them, and they’ll kill all of earth just to keep it that way. They’ll get politicians to rob you of rights that are the spirit of a democracy. All this corruption makes me sick, I’m tired of this elitist bs. Everybody that wants to learn should be-able to get educated, and demonstration of that education should be what it takes to prove that you can do it, not some stupid $30,000 piece of paper from a school but actual demonstration of knowledge, actual testing, which shouldn’t be raping our lives getting us to pay with slavery time. Let’s face it sooner or later they’ll discover ways to make us all trapped, and to make us all into total slaves. They just ain’t gunna do that till we’ve blindly given them all the technology and resources needed to make an airtight implementation of it, air tight as in there will be no means for us to fight their agenda. We are all screwed already and we don’t even know it yet.

]]> By: wade http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-250648 wade Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:37:27 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-250648 Stealing is stealing. Just because someone can get away with it, doesn't mean it should be legalized. And no, morality is not, and should not be defined by simple majority rules. Especially when, deep down inside, we all know the only reason we steal is because we can, as you say, it's as much about convenience as it is free. If I "shared" my neghbors bike because it is conveniently there and free, then I am still a thief. Stealing is stealing. Just because someone can get away with it, doesn’t mean it should be legalized. And no, morality is not, and should not be defined by simple majority rules. Especially when, deep down inside, we all know the only reason we steal is because we can, as you say, it’s as much about convenience as it is free. If I “shared” my neghbors bike because it is conveniently there and free, then I am still a thief.

]]> By: mr p http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-250329 mr p Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:08:59 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-250329 this is why pro file sharing pro liberty pro freedom of speech, religion etc anti prohibition anti net regulation these are all fundamental rights that we should have, any reason why a goverment takes them away would be in direct agression to the general public, or they have been tricked into doing so, via advanced propaganda techniques. only once they have a true one world goverment, one world currency, one world army, will they have a chance at completely taking over the internet. this is the only way to stop file sharing. so if you dont all stop getting on the anti-globalization movement we are all fucked. this is why
pro file sharing
pro liberty
pro freedom of speech, religion etc
anti prohibition
anti net regulation

these are all fundamental rights that we should have, any reason why a goverment takes them away would be in direct agression to the general public, or they have been tricked into doing so, via advanced propaganda techniques.

only once they have a true one world goverment, one world currency, one world army, will they have a chance at completely taking over the internet. this is the only way to stop file sharing.

so if you dont all stop getting on the anti-globalization movement we are all fucked.

]]> By: Heiroglyphics http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249919 Heiroglyphics Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:58:31 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249919 [quote comment="249453"]riaasuxdix said: "To hell with paying apple 99 cents for a song it should be free you already bought the damn ipod." YEAH. And we pay a lot for a car, too, the gas oil and tires should be free!! STEAL GAS. STEAL OIL!! STEAL TIRES!! You people are truly morons. Truly.[/quote] Your the real moron, you've compared digital data to a commodity...there is a major differance. [quote comment="249453"]riaasuxdix said:
“To hell with paying apple 99 cents for a song it should be free you already bought the damn ipod.”

YEAH. And we pay a lot for a car, too, the gas oil and tires should be free!! STEAL GAS. STEAL OIL!! STEAL TIRES!!

You people are truly morons. Truly.[/quote]

Your the real moron, you’ve compared digital data to a commodity…there is a major differance.

]]> By: ???? http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249573 ???? Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:24:18 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249573 is not piracy you dumbshit its called sharing piracy = pirates who sail on the ocean sunk ship, rape women and loot someone's stuff its not piracy you dumbshit its sharing!!! get that right what a bunch of dumbshit sheeple is not piracy you dumbshit
its called sharing
piracy = pirates who sail on the ocean sunk ship, rape women and loot someone’s stuff

its not piracy you dumbshit
its sharing!!!
get that right
what a bunch of dumbshit sheeple

]]> By: Tjockis http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249501 Tjockis Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:43:41 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249501 Piracy is the new ways to get music just get over it and find new ways to distribute the music if you want t make money but I don't care about the money,I'm in it for the music! Piracy is the new ways to get music just get over it and find new ways to distribute the music if you want t make money but I don’t care about the money,I’m in it for the music!

]]> By: Gregory http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249453 Gregory Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:05:26 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249453 riaasuxdix said: "To hell with paying apple 99 cents for a song it should be free you already bought the damn ipod." YEAH. And we pay a lot for a car, too, the gas oil and tires should be free!! STEAL GAS. STEAL OIL!! STEAL TIRES!! You people are truly morons. Truly. riaasuxdix said:
“To hell with paying apple 99 cents for a song it should be free you already bought the damn ipod.”

YEAH. And we pay a lot for a car, too, the gas oil and tires should be free!! STEAL GAS. STEAL OIL!! STEAL TIRES!!

You people are truly morons. Truly.

]]> By: Theo http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249402 Theo Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:27:22 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249402 the best post ever! It's insane how people see an ad on tv about piracy and think: " that lazybones youth that just don't wanna buy for all their products, what a shame, fucking thieves"... people are just stupid at all... Watch something on TV and that's it they create a opinion with only an ad... here in brazil, there's a kind of RIAA and they put a lot of propagandas about it and people just say: "yeah, that's it, fucking thieves" the best post ever! It’s insane how people see an ad on tv about piracy and think: ” that lazybones youth that just don’t wanna buy for all their products, what a shame, fucking thieves”… people are just stupid at all… Watch something on TV and that’s it they create a opinion with only an ad… here in brazil, there’s a kind of RIAA and they put a lot of propagandas about it and people just say: “yeah, that’s it, fucking thieves”

]]> By: riaasuxdix http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249091 riaasuxdix Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:41:21 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249091 I have no intention of paying for music that is downloaded it's my dime to the ISP that take care of that for me.The new business model will be the live concerts nothing beats it no video no tape no CD/DVD.There is magic in live concerts being there is the whole experience that I wouldn't want to miss for the world.Believe me the net will always try to be free and no government(not even china)is going to stop the world from being online now.To hell with paying apple 99 cents for a song it should be free you already bought the damn ipod.If you want to pay the artist go to the concert.If they don't like to hell with them then.BTW fuck you riaa. I have no intention of paying for music that is downloaded it’s my dime to the ISP that take care of that for me.The new business model will be the live concerts nothing beats it no video no tape no CD/DVD.There is magic in live concerts being there is the whole experience that I wouldn’t want to miss for the world.Believe me the net will always try to be free and no government(not even china)is going to stop the world from being online now.To hell with paying apple 99 cents for a song it should be free you already bought the damn ipod.If you want to pay the artist go to the concert.If they don’t like to hell with them then.BTW fuck you riaa.

]]> By: Cicero http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249023 Cicero Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:25:09 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249023 Think it's a coincidence that the #1 contributor to U.S. politicians is the entertainment industry? It used to be a toss-up between the unions and foreign lobbiests, but for the last few years, the combined "might" of the film, television and music industries has lined the pockets of both Dems & Reps in Congress with more money to push their facists agendas. It's a wonder they haven't passed the use of the death penalty for pirates in the U.S.! Think it’s a coincidence that the #1 contributor to U.S. politicians is the entertainment industry? It used to be a toss-up between the unions and foreign lobbiests, but for the last few years, the combined “might” of the film, television and music industries has lined the pockets of both Dems & Reps in Congress with more money to push their facists agendas. It’s a wonder they haven’t passed the use of the death penalty for pirates in the U.S.!

]]> By: Generation Gap - Allofmp3 Community Forums http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248802 Generation Gap - Allofmp3 Community Forums Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:34:41 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248802 [...] how much it costs to fill that with legally purchased songs? Link to the full article here: Piracy, Morals and The Need for Change | TorrentFreak [...] [...] how much it costs to fill that with legally purchased songs? Link to the full article here: Piracy, Morals and The Need for Change | TorrentFreak [...]

]]> By: Joel http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248766 Joel Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:47:51 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248766 ok, wait a minute. with ungodly profits from concert ticket sales that the true fans cannot even afford to attend, (ebay tickets for hanna montana going over $1000 each. what kind of ten year old girl has that money?) millions of dollars from large corporations to advertise their product, is it really the artists getting screwed? No, the fans, the ones who enjoy music (not some pre fab wannabe gangsta shit from some dude that grew up in the new jersey suburbs) are the ones getting screwed. For every pampered, multimillion dollar artist, there are hundreds of MUSICIANS playing in bars and clubs around the world. People who put their emotions into their music (and for that matter write their own music) who are getting paid next to nothing. Download all the music you want. Cause the huge record labels to run themselves to the ground. Revitalize the whole music scene. Put some people in the spotlight that deserve it. go out and see a live show at your local bar. expose yourself to what music is supposed to be. ok, wait a minute. with ungodly profits from concert ticket sales that the true fans cannot even afford to attend, (ebay tickets for hanna montana going over $1000 each. what kind of ten year old girl has that money?) millions of dollars from large corporations to advertise their product, is it really the artists getting screwed? No, the fans, the ones who enjoy music (not some pre fab wannabe gangsta shit from some dude that grew up in the new jersey suburbs) are the ones getting screwed. For every pampered, multimillion dollar artist, there are hundreds of MUSICIANS playing in bars and clubs around the world. People who put their emotions into their music (and for that matter write their own music) who are getting paid next to nothing. Download all the music you want. Cause the huge record labels to run themselves to the ground. Revitalize the whole music scene. Put some people in the spotlight that deserve it. go out and see a live show at your local bar. expose yourself to what music is supposed to be.

]]> By: hohoho http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248753 hohoho Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:27:59 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248753 sharing is giving to the world its the opposite of stealing! those that say stealing you're retarded. sharing is giving to the world
its the opposite of stealing!
those that say stealing
you’re retarded.

]]> By: metsda http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248621 metsda Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:28:29 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248621 Times change. Horse and carriages used to be the main transportation for the masses. Then, when the auto came along, the poor makers of carriages went out of business - possibly some of them began to make cars! The internet is the car - and the record companies are the carriage makers. They need to adapt or go out of business. Times change.

Horse and carriages used to be the main transportation for the masses. Then, when the auto came along, the poor makers of carriages went out of business – possibly some of them began to make cars!

The internet is the car – and the record companies are the carriage makers. They need to adapt or go out of business.

]]> By: kewld00d http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248582 kewld00d Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:21:57 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248582 It is going to be very difficult to convince people not to steal music. <$0.45 USD per song, lossless quality, no DRM. I will buy that music. Until then, I torrent my music. It is going to be very difficult to convince people not to steal music. <$0.45 USD per song, lossless quality, no DRM. I will buy that music. Until then, I torrent my music.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248435 Anonymous Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:10:16 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248435 i use filesharing to get music / videos. if i think the product is worthwhile i then go and buy it. i used to just go and buy the product but got fed up of big companies making great trailers / demos and the actual product being a massive disappointment. i use filesharing to get music / videos. if i think the product is worthwhile i then go and buy it. i used to just go and buy the product but got fed up of big companies making great trailers / demos and the actual product being a massive disappointment.

]]> By: GoldenGnu http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248367 GoldenGnu Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:49:29 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-248367 Music and movies is culture and should be available to everyone... I agree that artist should be paid for their work, and so they are. When they preforming live they get money... Movies earn money in theaters... Big corporations should not get money for culture! Only those who create it should... end of deal... Copyright is stopping the sharing of culture... Sharing culture can never be wrong... I'm quite sure, that's why all the libraries was build in the first place, to get culture to everyone... At least in earlier times, people thought that it was a good idea to share culture... Music and movies is culture and should be available to everyone…

I agree that artist should be paid for their work, and so they are. When they preforming live they get money… Movies earn money in theaters…

Big corporations should not get money for culture! Only those who create it should… end of deal…

Copyright is stopping the sharing of culture… Sharing culture can never be wrong…

I’m quite sure, that’s why all the libraries was build in the first place, to get culture to everyone… At least in earlier times, people thought that it was a good idea to share culture…

]]> By: Navigator2 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247656 Navigator2 Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:30:04 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247656 Sooner or later the music & film industry will adapt to the times. Their fight to keep the status quo is a nonsense. It is like pretending Internet did not exist, and forcing us to purchase DVD and CDs at the infamous price they used to charge. Forget it. See what iTunes and Amazon are doing. This is the right way. Sooner or later the music & film industry will adapt to the times.
Their fight to keep the status quo is a nonsense. It is like pretending Internet did not exist, and forcing us to purchase DVD and CDs at the infamous price they used to charge.

Forget it. See what iTunes and Amazon are doing. This is the right way.

]]> By: Txemic http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247647 Txemic Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:22:03 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247647 Similar thoughts on another blog. Laws should adapt to people morals. The current laws need change http://tech-talk.biz/2007/12/22/the-new-generations-do-not-see-an-moral-issue-with-file-sharing/ Similar thoughts on another blog.

Laws should adapt to people morals. The current laws need change

http://tech-talk.biz/2007/12/22/the-new-generations-do-not-see-an-moral-issue-with-file-sharing/

]]> By: err http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247447 err Tue, 25 Dec 2007 07:19:46 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247447 [quote comment="246110"]*hands booga1134 a box of tissue.[/quote] ahahahaha couldnt have put it better :P [quote comment="246110"]*hands booga1134 a box of tissue.[/quote]

ahahahaha couldnt have put it better :P

]]> By: DakE_FeatH http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247425 DakE_FeatH Tue, 25 Dec 2007 06:31:03 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247425 1. I download. Movies, games, music. 2. I BUY. Yes, mr. MPAA or Canadian MPAA i dunno what ur sucking-money company's name is called. I buy shit too. I download games, I play offline - thus I can see if I like the gameplay, the graphics, the storyline and to make sure it works fine on my computer. Thus, I dont spend $50-$70 on some game that I mite not like! If i really like it, I buy it because I want to play it online. Music...well, how am I supposed to get Romanian music in Canada? Enlight me. We don't have that fancy iTunes store in Eastern Europe. Movies. I rent movies most of the time. BUT I first download the shit on my computer, I look it over, usually I look at the whole thing, YES, I LOOK AT THE WHOLE MOVIE. Then, if I like it, I go rent it to watch it in HD on my nice widescreen monitor. Or if I really love it, I GO AND BUY IT FROM BLOCKBUSTER! 3. I am not against buying your shit. But I am AGAINST PAYING FOR THINGS I DON'T LIKE. Enlight me again Uncle Sam, why should I give a good portion of MY MONEY to you, on something I don't enjoy? 1. I download. Movies, games, music.
2. I BUY. Yes, mr. MPAA or Canadian MPAA i dunno what ur sucking-money company’s name is called. I buy shit too. I download games, I play offline – thus I can see if I like the gameplay, the graphics, the storyline and to make sure it works fine on my computer. Thus, I dont spend $50-$70 on some game that I mite not like! If i really like it, I buy it because I want to play it online.

Music…well, how am I supposed to get Romanian music in Canada? Enlight me. We don’t have that fancy iTunes store in Eastern Europe.

Movies. I rent movies most of the time. BUT I first download the shit on my computer, I look it over, usually I look at the whole thing, YES, I LOOK AT THE WHOLE MOVIE. Then, if I like it, I go rent it to watch it in HD on my nice widescreen monitor. Or if I really love it, I GO AND BUY IT FROM BLOCKBUSTER!

3. I am not against buying your shit. But I am AGAINST PAYING FOR THINGS I DON’T LIKE. Enlight me again Uncle Sam, why should I give a good portion of MY MONEY to you, on something I don’t enjoy?

]]> By: Paco420 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247266 Paco420 Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:37:15 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247266 Fuck it dude... i still say legalize marijuana before copywrite Fuck it dude… i still say legalize marijuana before copywrite

]]> By: Branden http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247261 Branden Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:29:52 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247261 I think people would be willing to pay for a higher quality product over a cheaper product, if they deem the product worthy to begin with. Take for example a high definition version of a regular TV episode you watch versus a lower resolution/quality version. Either way you get to watch the content but more people would most likely buy the high def version if they found the lower version enjoyable. I agree piracy is bad but pretending you can stop by shoving the RIAA down our necks just pisses people off and doesn't solve anything. The only artists I pay for are the ones who need to money to continue outputting good work. I think 50 cent said it nicely by saying that major artists have to adapt to the new generation. People are willing to pay 50-200$ to go see concerts so obviously the bulk of the money they make are outside of CD sells. So I guess more artists are going to have to go on tour a lot more to get the money they deserve versus being a one hit wonder with a CD... I thought that was originally the dream of an artist? To play to millions of fans and have their music felt on many levels. I think people would be willing to pay for a higher quality product over a cheaper product, if they deem the product worthy to begin with.

Take for example a high definition version of a regular TV episode you watch versus a lower resolution/quality version.

Either way you get to watch the content but more people would most likely buy the high def version if they found the lower version enjoyable.

I agree piracy is bad but pretending you can stop by shoving the RIAA down our necks just pisses people off and doesn’t solve anything.

The only artists I pay for are the ones who need to money to continue outputting good work.

I think 50 cent said it nicely by saying that major artists have to adapt to the new generation.

People are willing to pay 50-200$ to go see concerts so obviously the bulk of the money they make are outside of CD sells.

So I guess more artists are going to have to go on tour a lot more to get the money they deserve versus being a one hit wonder with a CD… I thought that was originally the dream of an artist? To play to millions of fans and have their music felt on many levels.

]]> By: Blaenk Denum http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247259 Blaenk Denum Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:22:51 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247259 Amazingly well said, I did a nearly identical speech at school for my Argumentative Speech project. Well said man. Amazingly well said, I did a nearly identical speech at school for my Argumentative Speech project. Well said man.

]]> By: ROFLcopter http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247254 ROFLcopter Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:06:58 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247254 [quote comment="247092"]Sharing is not immoral. When we pirate ANYTHING, we take NO money away from the creator. We don't take their discs, we don't take their DVD case, we don't take their booklets or their artwork.[/quote] Except that you do. That whole album or movie thing that you share, that's taking away from the creator. [quote comment="247092"]When do you see an artist complaining about torrents or P2P? You don't.[/quote] Prince doesn't seem that happy. And I think I heard of this Metalica group that wasn't too happy. [quote comment="247092"]If you buy a book, can you lend it to a friend to read it?[/quote] I think you can do that with a CD too. You might have noticed all those signs at Kinko's that say don't copy copyrighted books. Hmm, that seems similar to something else, but can't think of it right now. [quote comment="247092"]Sharing is not immoral. When we pirate ANYTHING, we take NO money away from the creator. We don’t take their discs, we don’t take their DVD case, we don’t take their booklets or their artwork.[/quote]

Except that you do. That whole album or movie thing that you share, that’s taking away from the creator.

[quote comment="247092"]When do you see an artist complaining about torrents or P2P? You don’t.[/quote]

Prince doesn’t seem that happy. And I think I heard of this Metalica group that wasn’t too happy.

[quote comment="247092"]If you buy a book, can you lend it to a friend to read it?[/quote]

I think you can do that with a CD too. You might have noticed all those signs at Kinko’s that say don’t copy copyrighted books. Hmm, that seems similar to something else, but can’t think of it right now.

]]> By: Mitsuda http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247205 Mitsuda Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:19:37 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247205 Agreed, completely. Agreed, completely.

]]> By: otherside http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247196 otherside Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:03:47 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247196 You know I what want for xmas? A debate. A serious open discussion with and about MPAA and RIAA and artists and torrent site leaders. Everyone go to vegas for a weekend and just talk about it. Let the MPAA et all make their statements and let torrent leaders address their distro concerns. I like what I see here, but it's been too often and it's become rhetoric. I just wish the other side would step up and respond instead of their rhetoric of "illegal, pirating, condemn, blah". Seriously, there must be someone like us on the inside of these organizations pushing the same points we are. Speak up!! You know I what want for xmas? A debate. A serious open discussion with and about MPAA and RIAA and artists and torrent site leaders. Everyone go to vegas for a weekend and just talk about it. Let the MPAA et all make their statements and let torrent leaders address their distro concerns. I like what I see here, but it’s been too often and it’s become rhetoric. I just wish the other side would step up and respond instead of their rhetoric of “illegal, pirating, condemn, blah”.
Seriously, there must be someone like us on the inside of these organizations pushing the same points we are. Speak up!!

]]> By: johnson http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247186 johnson Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:47:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247186 restrictions on everything i buy is theft in my eyes im paying for something i cannot use as i desire. and the likes of DRM is removing all my rights pysically not morarly. If i buy something expensive like a cd or dvd of a game or movie i expect to be-able to make a duplicate as i own the disc not the copyright, they stop me protecting my investement so now when i take it back to the shop scratched GASP! they wont replace it, but when i try to use my own brains by making a copy so i dont have to damage my original i'm restricted from doing this? And you call us Pirates? and what we do illigal ... i pay money for something i cant use or it dissables itself or deletes itself and you wonder why we choose to be pirates? i'm really sorry for using comon sense and wanting a content/product that i can use how i please once i bought it without jumping through hoops to use it When you provide me a way to do that legally then you'll see my money. restrictions on everything i buy is theft in my eyes im paying for something i cannot use as i desire.

and the likes of DRM is removing all my rights pysically not morarly.

If i buy something expensive like a cd or dvd of a game or movie i expect to be-able to make a duplicate as i own the disc not the copyright, they stop me protecting my investement so now when i take it back to the shop scratched GASP! they wont replace it, but when i try to use my own brains by making a copy so i dont have to damage my original i’m restricted from doing this?

And you call us Pirates? and what we do illigal … i pay money for something i cant use or it dissables itself or deletes itself and you wonder why we choose to be pirates?

i’m really sorry for using comon sense and wanting a content/product that i can use how i please once i bought it without jumping through hoops to use it

When you provide me a way to do that legally then you’ll see my money.

]]> By: Concerned One http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247136 Concerned One Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:41:58 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247136 "The taking of a commercial product created through the work and good faith of others, intended and offered legally by them for sale, but taken willfully and illegally with no proper payment by you…….. makes you a true, ethics-free scumbag." If they care more about the money than the product they create, then they are filthy scumbags, and they deserve nothing. How could creating a product for the purpose of the money rather than goodwill possibly be of "good faith"? The whole industry is only wanting money and don't care about the things they create. I will never give a single cent to those scumbags. “The taking of a commercial product created through the work and good faith of others, intended and offered legally by them for sale, but taken willfully and illegally with no proper payment by you…….. makes you a true, ethics-free scumbag.”

If they care more about the money than the product they create, then they are filthy scumbags, and they deserve nothing. How could creating a product for the purpose of the money rather than goodwill possibly be of “good faith”? The whole industry is only wanting money and don’t care about the things they create. I will never give a single cent to those scumbags.

]]> By: ThuggleS http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247092 ThuggleS Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:30:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247092 Sharing is not immoral. When we pirate ANYTHING, we take NO money away from the creator. We don't take their discs, we don't take their DVD case, we don't take their booklets or their artwork. What do we do? We circulate their product and give them free advertising. When do you see an artist complaining about torrents or P2P? You don't. Recently we've heard artists happy about their music being downloaded so much, with their record sales through the roof AT THE SAME TIME. Torrents create buzz for products that result in HIGHER SALES. If you buy a book, can you lend it to a friend to read it? ZOMG, they didn't pay for it someone shield their eyes quick before they read copyrighted material without paying! No...that doesn't happen. If the friend likes the book, she will go out and buy more books by that author. What is one of the most pirated and downloaded file ever...think. Windows XP Operating System. I bet you can sure tell how Microsoft's profits are plunging and they have to file bankruptcy because of it right? WRONG. Even if pirate XP's abd Vista's affect their profits, all it does is balance out their overpricing. I think they are happy with their billions and billions in profits. And since Gates gives so much money to charity anyways, it's not him doing all Microsoft does to circumvent pirates. Is it immoral to borrow a friend's CD and put the songs into iTunes, then give him the CD back? If you like the artist, most likely you'll try and find more music from them. Once again, pirating only helps get names out there and gets products off the shelves. Our government and law making system needs more input from the most active and opinionated minds of our country, us. People need to wake up and realize the truth about torrents and P2P. Sharing is not immoral. When we pirate ANYTHING, we take NO money away from the creator. We don’t take their discs, we don’t take their DVD case, we don’t take their booklets or their artwork.

What do we do? We circulate their product and give them free advertising. When do you see an artist complaining about torrents or P2P? You don’t. Recently we’ve heard artists happy about their music being downloaded so much, with their record sales through the roof AT THE SAME TIME. Torrents create buzz for products that result in HIGHER SALES.

If you buy a book, can you lend it to a friend to read it? ZOMG, they didn’t pay for it someone shield their eyes quick before they read copyrighted material without paying! No…that doesn’t happen. If the friend likes the book, she will go out and buy more books by that author.

What is one of the most pirated and downloaded file ever…think. Windows XP Operating System. I bet you can sure tell how Microsoft’s profits are plunging and they have to file bankruptcy because of it right? WRONG. Even if pirate XP’s abd Vista’s affect their profits, all it does is balance out their overpricing. I think they are happy with their billions and billions in profits. And since Gates gives so much money to charity anyways, it’s not him doing all Microsoft does to circumvent pirates.

Is it immoral to borrow a friend’s CD and put the songs into iTunes, then give him the CD back? If you like the artist, most likely you’ll try and find more music from them. Once again, pirating only helps get names out there and gets products off the shelves.

Our government and law making system needs more input from the most active and opinionated minds of our country, us. People need to wake up and realize the truth about torrents and P2P.

]]> By: TotalW http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247064 TotalW Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:45:44 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247064 If the Mpaa and the Riaa had not fucked it up that could of probably been the head of the revolution! But they fucked around with copyright lawsuits and all that $h!t making us hate them. Now they are on a downward slope. They can arrest more people but that will just make us all STOP buying music completely. Then they will be totally out of a job. Way to fuck it up mpaa and riaa! way to rock 50 cent, Saul Williams and all the rest with some backbone! You will lead the way and be remembered for years to come! Let Freedom Ring! If the Mpaa and the Riaa had not fucked it up that could of probably been the head of the revolution! But they fucked around with copyright lawsuits and all that $h!t making us hate them. Now they are on a downward slope. They can arrest more people but that will just make us all STOP buying music completely. Then they will be totally out of a job. Way to fuck it up mpaa and riaa! way to rock 50 cent, Saul Williams and all the rest with some backbone! You will lead the way and be remembered for years to come!

Let Freedom Ring!

]]> By: treequaker http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247055 treequaker Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:33:07 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247055 Eventually all information will be free. There's no way to stop this with the evolution of the internet. Musicians will be forced to perform to earn a living. Admittedly, this will mean fewer musicians (and fewer pre-packaged product "performers")but the quality would have to improve and innovation would return. What we are going through are growing pains as we move into the "Information Age". There are going to be much more devastating and far reaching effects than copyright issues before it's over but the entertainment industry will have to adapt. They have no long-term option and they know it. What they're doing now is wringing as much profit as they can and trying to get laws enacted that will help preserve the status quo as long as possible. They are all temporary measures though and our children will look back and chuckle and roll their eyes at how long we took see the obvious. Eventually all information will be free. There’s no way to stop this with the evolution of the internet. Musicians will be forced to perform to earn a living. Admittedly, this will mean fewer musicians (and fewer pre-packaged product “performers”)but the quality would have to improve and innovation would return.

What we are going through are growing pains as we move into the “Information Age”. There are going to be much more devastating and far reaching effects than copyright issues before it’s over but the entertainment industry will have to adapt. They have no long-term option and they know it. What they’re doing now is wringing as much profit as they can and trying to get laws enacted that will help preserve the status quo as long as possible. They are all temporary measures though and our children will look back and chuckle and roll their eyes at how long we took see the obvious.

]]> By: batti http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247043 batti Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:15:54 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247043 Digital files have no value. Movies, music, literature, doesn't matter. The physical product has value. People will pay for that. A downloaded digital file I will never pay for, nor would I expect anyone to pay for a digital download of anything I produce. Digital files have no value. Movies, music, literature, doesn’t matter. The physical product has value. People will pay for that. A downloaded digital file I will never pay for, nor would I expect anyone to pay for a digital download of anything I produce.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247021 Anonymous Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:45:39 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247021 ok so sharing is wrong if there are "cheap" "legal" alternatives? don't give me this hypocrisy. piracy is about freedom of speech, freedom of information. if you like something and want sequels you buy the dvds/donate. i'm so tired of all the copyright fascists and their talk about stealing, they have the right to call it [unauthorized sharing of copyrighted media] whatever they want but if they keep misusing the word like that it won't be associated with something bad anymore and it'll lead to a lot of confusion. ok so sharing is wrong if there are “cheap” “legal” alternatives? don’t give me this hypocrisy.

piracy is about freedom of speech, freedom of information. if you like something and want sequels you buy the dvds/donate.

i’m so tired of all the copyright fascists and their talk about stealing, they have the right to call it [unauthorized sharing of copyrighted media] whatever they want but if they keep misusing the word like that it won’t be associated with something bad anymore and it’ll lead to a lot of confusion.

]]> By: Gregory http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247008 Gregory Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:22:24 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-247008 Booga said: "it is NOT theft. It's illegal yes, but don't misuse words." Fair enough. So how about this? "The taking of a commercial product created through the work and good faith of others, intended and offered legally by them for sale, but taken willfully and illegally with no proper payment by you........ makes you a true, ethics-free scumbag." Does that work better for you? Booga said:
“it is NOT theft. It’s illegal yes, but don’t misuse words.”

Fair enough. So how about this? “The taking of a commercial product created through the work and good faith of others, intended and offered legally by them for sale, but taken willfully and illegally with no proper payment by you…….. makes you a true, ethics-free scumbag.”

Does that work better for you?

]]> By: davis http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-246979 davis Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:25:40 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-246979 my computer wont play the downloads, i can only hear them. can anyone help im new and dont know if i need to download new software to be able to see video. i appreciate the help my computer wont play the downloads, i can only hear them. can anyone help im new and dont know if i need to download new software to be able to see video. i appreciate the help

]]> By: Graue http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-246959 Graue Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:30:03 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-246959 [quote comment="246674"]To all of the people chiming in how great it is to take creative content from other people without paying for it: How many you have content of your own somewhere on the web for free? I know that if any of you proponents of "free" content had anything of value to offer, you'd be whining about copyright theft by bit torrent users right now.[/quote] I'll bet the owners of these netlabels feel terrible about it: http://thepiratebay.org/user/musictrade http://thepiratebay.org/user/oceanbase [quote comment="246674"]To all of the people chiming in how great it is to take creative content from other people without paying for it: How many you have content of your own somewhere on the web for free?

I know that if any of you proponents of “free” content had anything of value to offer, you’d be whining about copyright theft by bit torrent users right now.[/quote]
I’ll bet the owners of these netlabels feel terrible about it:

http://thepiratebay.org/user/musictrade
http://thepiratebay.org/user/oceanbase

]]> By: Concerned One http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-246934 Concerned One Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:54:18 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-246934 "I suggest that the movie and movie industry make their content available online for a reasonable price." As long as the content distributors care more about money than art, they do not deserve any money. “I suggest that the movie and movie industry make their content available online for a reasonable price.”

As long as the content distributors care more about money than art, they do not deserve any money.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-246922 Anonymous Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:24:31 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-246922 [quote comment="246102"]stealing is stealing. you ppl steal music, you don't buy it.[/quote] Sigh, stealing requires that you actually remove/take something leaving the owner with nothing eg: If I came up to you and took your phone, I'd now have your phone and you wouldn't. If on the other hand I came up to and used something are other to make an exact atomic copy of your phone we would now both have a phone. You still have what you paid for and now I have a copy. This is NOT stealing, it is NOT theft. It's illegal yes, but don't misuse words. [quote comment="246102"]stealing is stealing. you ppl steal music, you don’t buy it.[/quote]

Sigh, stealing requires that you actually remove/take something leaving the owner with nothing eg: If I came up to you and took your phone, I’d now have your phone and you wouldn’t.

If on the other hand I came up to and used something are other to make an exact atomic copy of your phone we would now both have a phone. You still have what you paid for and now I have a copy. This is NOT stealing, it is NOT theft. It’s illegal yes, but don’t misuse words.

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