Comments on: Piracy, Morals and The Need for Change http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:04:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: Introducing Canada’s DMCA — Alec Saunders SquawkBox http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-406649 Introducing Canada’s DMCA — Alec Saunders SquawkBox Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:46:02 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-406649 [...] Piracy, Morals and The Need for Change [via Zemanta] [...] [...] Piracy, Morals and The Need for Change [via Zemanta] [...]

]]> By: Study: Piracy is Caused by Poor Choice at IDTorrent Blog http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-306374 Study: Piracy is Caused by Poor Choice at IDTorrent Blog Sat, 08 Mar 2008 03:35:55 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-306374 [...] fact that one third of the UK citizens can be labeled as a pirate is thus a signal that these customers want something that is not available through other channels. It's more about [...] [...] fact that one third of the UK citizens can be labeled as a pirate is thus a signal that these customers want something that is not available through other channels. It’s more about [...]

]]> By: ArtyTorrent http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-304826 ArtyTorrent Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:01:29 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-304826 The rights and wrongs of copyright are a slight red-herring. What is really happening is a war over the control of distribution of digital data. Record companies make their money using an outdated business model. The younger generation doesn't want to go to record stores and buy CDs, it wants to point and click, listen and then possibly delete. There is really no need for old-style CD-duplication and marketing campaigns. A musician doesn't NEED a record company that takes 95% of the price of a CD away from the artist. More bands should leave their labels and follow the Radiohead/Trent Reznor/Saul Williams blueprint. If I had a band right now, I'd upload all my songs to MySpace and just have a "DONATE HERE IF YOU LIKED THIS MUSIC AND WANT US TO MAKE MORE" button. If we get music from its source, we'll find out its true value. Most of the money spent on CDs goes to fat cat execs and lawyers. THEY are the ones doing the stealing: stealing from the musicians. The rights and wrongs of copyright are a slight red-herring. What is really happening is a war over the control of distribution of digital data. Record companies make their money using an outdated business model. The younger generation doesn’t want to go to record stores and buy CDs, it wants to point and click, listen and then possibly delete. There is really no need for old-style CD-duplication and marketing campaigns. A musician doesn’t NEED a record company that takes 95% of the price of a CD away from the artist. More bands should leave their labels and follow the Radiohead/Trent Reznor/Saul Williams blueprint. If I had a band right now, I’d upload all my songs to MySpace and just have a “DONATE HERE IF YOU LIKED THIS MUSIC AND WANT US TO MAKE MORE” button. If we get music from its source, we’ll find out its true value. Most of the money spent on CDs goes to fat cat execs and lawyers. THEY are the ones doing the stealing: stealing from the musicians.

]]> By: » It’s Round-Up Day! http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-300781 » It’s Round-Up Day! Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:39:11 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-300781 [...] Piracy, Morals and the Need For Change - TorrentFreak does it again with a great article examining the moral dilemma our technological [...] [...] Piracy, Morals and the Need For Change – TorrentFreak does it again with a great article examining the moral dilemma our technological [...]

]]> By: mark http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-287936 mark Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:03:37 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-287936 Pay as you go wireless broadband internet is going to be big! and very anonymous as well. Will the ISP's shoot their own feet off! I dont think so. The old make the money from distribution model will not work for the big entertainment companies any more and the should already be competing with itunes by offering 10p a track downloads. The network is expanding, wimax is coming symmetrical is coming, wireless sharing, bluetooth,open source, I am a new artist and will not be distributing my art through the current distributers, I will be like Man U dealing direct with my customers, downloading is a lot easier then going out and finding the phsyical product. Pay as you go wireless broadband internet is going to be big! and very anonymous as well. Will the ISP’s shoot their own feet off! I dont think so. The old make the money from distribution model will not work for the big entertainment companies any more and the should already be competing with itunes by offering 10p a track downloads.
The network is expanding, wimax is coming symmetrical is coming, wireless sharing, bluetooth,open source,

I am a new artist and will not be distributing my art through the current distributers, I will be like Man U dealing direct with my customers, downloading is a lot easier then going out and finding the phsyical product.

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]]> By: businessmodel innovation _ design » Piracy as Innovation Strategy http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-268045 businessmodel innovation _ design » Piracy as Innovation Strategy Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:29:50 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-268045 [...] yes, here’s some more stuff on innovative business models in the media industry. I enjoyed Piracy, Morals and The Need for Change and The Generational Divide in Copyright Morality by David Pogue in the NYT. It’s all about [...] [...] yes, here’s some more stuff on innovative business models in the media industry. I enjoyed Piracy, Morals and The Need for Change and The Generational Divide in Copyright Morality by David Pogue in the NYT. It’s all about [...]

]]> By: Gregory http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-266699 Gregory Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:43:37 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-266699 Hey Gaetano, you are correct abut this important distinction. It would be good for everyone to understand the true nature of their "taking without paying." But still. If you take something you know is created by someone else and intended for proper sale and yet you use technology to hide while taking it for no payment, thereby willfully circumventing their compensation, I hope the ISP's filter it all and I hope they kick the thieves off the network. Human decency and fair business ethics require nothing less. Hey Gaetano, you are correct abut this important distinction. It would be good for everyone to understand the true nature of their “taking without paying.” But still.

If you take something you know is created by someone else and intended for proper sale and yet you use technology to hide while taking it for no payment, thereby willfully circumventing their compensation, I hope the ISP’s filter it all and I hope they kick the thieves off the network. Human decency and fair business ethics require nothing less.

]]> By: Gaetano http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-262994 Gaetano Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:25:21 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-262994 Please keep in mind that infringing copyright is not stealing. it is a common misconception caused by the abuse of the term contained in the entertainment industries anti-piracy ads helped by the lack of copyright and criminal law background of the people involved in the discussion. no matter where you are from you can easily pick up a code and check: under the definition of the criminal offence you will notice that: The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorised taking, keeping or using of another's property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use. it is hardly possible to "permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use" in intellectual property. gaetano Please keep in mind that infringing copyright is not stealing.

it is a common misconception caused by the abuse of the term contained in the entertainment industries anti-piracy ads helped by the lack of copyright and criminal law background of the people involved in the discussion.

no matter where you are from you can easily pick up a code and check: under the definition of the criminal offence you will notice that:

The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorised taking, keeping or using of another’s property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use.

it is hardly possible to “permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use” in intellectual property.

gaetano

]]> By: Gregory http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-252141 Gregory Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:27:50 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-252141 StealthC said: " We are all screwed already and we don't even know it yet." Well. YOU SURE ARE, thinking and ranting that way. It's always entertaining to see someone rant about how Socialism "works" in spite of a 1000 years of documented, repeat failure. Socialism runs counter to human nature. It will fail everytime. It's an argument with reality. Those who work within the laws and profit, support the laws. And those who cannot figure out how to make the system work for them? They rant about the need for Socialism, so the proceeds of someone elses work and success must be handed over to them, too. (I don't think so.) Poor StealthC. Can't profit from the system. Hang in there little buddy. StealthC said:
” We are all screwed already and we don’t even know it yet.”

Well. YOU SURE ARE, thinking and ranting that way. It’s always entertaining to see someone rant about how Socialism “works” in spite of a 1000 years of documented, repeat failure. Socialism runs counter to human nature. It will fail everytime. It’s an argument with reality. Those who work within the laws and profit, support the laws. And those who cannot figure out how to make the system work for them? They rant about the need for Socialism, so the proceeds of someone elses work and success must be handed over to them, too. (I don’t think so.)

Poor StealthC. Can’t profit from the system. Hang in there little buddy.

]]> By: StealthC http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-250696 StealthC Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:21:21 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-250696 I don't care if they charge 1 penny per song. I'll always download for free. And I won't sit there and look at ads. I'm tired of being brainwashed and manipulated by all of these corporate cocksuckers. They do nothing good for society they just sit there and make money to support their lavish lifestyles. The real people making contributions to society do it and expect nothing, not even a thriving business in return. Our capitolistic system needs an overhaul. We don't need choice, we need shit that actually works. We need less crap. We need more time for ourselves. We need a chance to do something for the world rather than being stuck in a dead end wallmart job. We need an economy of co-operation, not one of exploitation (which is just economic slavery). We need fewer useless human beings that have no means of survival with their own two hands. We are too dependent. We need less chemically fed crap in our diets. We need less government regulation over our lives. Pure socialism would indeed work today. I'd gladly give it a try. Kick out the damned capitolists, get rid of the politicians, and let us manage our own fuckin lives instead of shoving this fake bs existance of slaving 40 hours a week for pretty much nothing down our throats because we ain't that dumb, are we? Seems like we are collectively dumb as a people. Corporations can kiss my hairy cornhole and suck on it, I have no use for them since clearly they are corrupt. We'd all have more by expanding the public domain. Instead these greedy cocksuckers have figured out ways to do almost nothing and get us to be subserviant to them, and they'll kill all of earth just to keep it that way. They'll get politicians to rob you of rights that are the spirit of a democracy. All this corruption makes me sick, I'm tired of this elitist bs. Everybody that wants to learn should be-able to get educated, and demonstration of that education should be what it takes to prove that you can do it, not some stupid $30,000 piece of paper from a school but actual demonstration of knowledge, actual testing, which shouldn't be raping our lives getting us to pay with slavery time. Let's face it sooner or later they'll discover ways to make us all trapped, and to make us all into total slaves. They just ain't gunna do that till we've blindly given them all the technology and resources needed to make an airtight implementation of it, air tight as in there will be no means for us to fight their agenda. We are all screwed already and we don't even know it yet. I don’t care if they charge 1 penny per song. I’ll always download for free. And I won’t sit there and look at ads. I’m tired of being brainwashed and manipulated by all of these corporate cocksuckers. They do nothing good for society they just sit there and make money to support their lavish lifestyles. The real people making contributions to society do it and expect nothing, not even a thriving business in return. Our capitolistic system needs an overhaul. We don’t need choice, we need shit that actually works. We need less crap. We need more time for ourselves. We need a chance to do something for the world rather than being stuck in a dead end wallmart job. We need an economy of co-operation, not one of exploitation (which is just economic slavery). We need fewer useless human beings that have no means of survival with their own two hands. We are too dependent. We need less chemically fed crap in our diets. We need less government regulation over our lives. Pure socialism would indeed work today. I’d gladly give it a try. Kick out the damned capitolists, get rid of the politicians, and let us manage our own fuckin lives instead of shoving this fake bs existance of slaving 40 hours a week for pretty much nothing down our throats because we ain’t that dumb, are we? Seems like we are collectively dumb as a people.

Corporations can kiss my hairy cornhole and suck on it, I have no use for them since clearly they are corrupt. We’d all have more by expanding the public domain. Instead these greedy cocksuckers have figured out ways to do almost nothing and get us to be subserviant to them, and they’ll kill all of earth just to keep it that way. They’ll get politicians to rob you of rights that are the spirit of a democracy. All this corruption makes me sick, I’m tired of this elitist bs. Everybody that wants to learn should be-able to get educated, and demonstration of that education should be what it takes to prove that you can do it, not some stupid $30,000 piece of paper from a school but actual demonstration of knowledge, actual testing, which shouldn’t be raping our lives getting us to pay with slavery time. Let’s face it sooner or later they’ll discover ways to make us all trapped, and to make us all into total slaves. They just ain’t gunna do that till we’ve blindly given them all the technology and resources needed to make an airtight implementation of it, air tight as in there will be no means for us to fight their agenda. We are all screwed already and we don’t even know it yet.

]]> By: wade http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-250648 wade Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:37:27 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-250648 Stealing is stealing. Just because someone can get away with it, doesn't mean it should be legalized. And no, morality is not, and should not be defined by simple majority rules. Especially when, deep down inside, we all know the only reason we steal is because we can, as you say, it's as much about convenience as it is free. If I "shared" my neghbors bike because it is conveniently there and free, then I am still a thief. Stealing is stealing. Just because someone can get away with it, doesn’t mean it should be legalized. And no, morality is not, and should not be defined by simple majority rules. Especially when, deep down inside, we all know the only reason we steal is because we can, as you say, it’s as much about convenience as it is free. If I “shared” my neghbors bike because it is conveniently there and free, then I am still a thief.

]]> By: mr p http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-250329 mr p Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:08:59 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-250329 this is why pro file sharing pro liberty pro freedom of speech, religion etc anti prohibition anti net regulation these are all fundamental rights that we should have, any reason why a goverment takes them away would be in direct agression to the general public, or they have been tricked into doing so, via advanced propaganda techniques. only once they have a true one world goverment, one world currency, one world army, will they have a chance at completely taking over the internet. this is the only way to stop file sharing. so if you dont all stop getting on the anti-globalization movement we are all fucked. this is why
pro file sharing
pro liberty
pro freedom of speech, religion etc
anti prohibition
anti net regulation

these are all fundamental rights that we should have, any reason why a goverment takes them away would be in direct agression to the general public, or they have been tricked into doing so, via advanced propaganda techniques.

only once they have a true one world goverment, one world currency, one world army, will they have a chance at completely taking over the internet. this is the only way to stop file sharing.

so if you dont all stop getting on the anti-globalization movement we are all fucked.

]]> By: Heiroglyphics http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249919 Heiroglyphics Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:58:31 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249919 [quote comment="249453"]riaasuxdix said: "To hell with paying apple 99 cents for a song it should be free you already bought the damn ipod." YEAH. And we pay a lot for a car, too, the gas oil and tires should be free!! STEAL GAS. STEAL OIL!! STEAL TIRES!! You people are truly morons. Truly.[/quote] Your the real moron, you've compared digital data to a commodity...there is a major differance. [quote comment="249453"]riaasuxdix said:
“To hell with paying apple 99 cents for a song it should be free you already bought the damn ipod.”

YEAH. And we pay a lot for a car, too, the gas oil and tires should be free!! STEAL GAS. STEAL OIL!! STEAL TIRES!!

You people are truly morons. Truly.[/quote]

Your the real moron, you’ve compared digital data to a commodity…there is a major differance.

]]> By: ???? http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249573 ???? Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:24:18 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249573 is not piracy you dumbshit its called sharing piracy = pirates who sail on the ocean sunk ship, rape women and loot someone's stuff its not piracy you dumbshit its sharing!!! get that right what a bunch of dumbshit sheeple is not piracy you dumbshit
its called sharing
piracy = pirates who sail on the ocean sunk ship, rape women and loot someone’s stuff

its not piracy you dumbshit
its sharing!!!
get that right
what a bunch of dumbshit sheeple

]]> By: Tjockis http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249501 Tjockis Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:43:41 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249501 Piracy is the new ways to get music just get over it and find new ways to distribute the music if you want t make money but I don't care about the money,I'm in it for the music! Piracy is the new ways to get music just get over it and find new ways to distribute the music if you want t make money but I don’t care about the money,I’m in it for the music!

]]> By: Gregory http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249453 Gregory Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:05:26 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249453 riaasuxdix said: "To hell with paying apple 99 cents for a song it should be free you already bought the damn ipod." YEAH. And we pay a lot for a car, too, the gas oil and tires should be free!! STEAL GAS. STEAL OIL!! STEAL TIRES!! You people are truly morons. Truly. riaasuxdix said:
“To hell with paying apple 99 cents for a song it should be free you already bought the damn ipod.”

YEAH. And we pay a lot for a car, too, the gas oil and tires should be free!! STEAL GAS. STEAL OIL!! STEAL TIRES!!

You people are truly morons. Truly.

]]> By: Theo http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249402 Theo Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:27:22 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249402 the best post ever! It's insane how people see an ad on tv about piracy and think: " that lazybones youth that just don't wanna buy for all their products, what a shame, fucking thieves"... people are just stupid at all... Watch something on TV and that's it they create a opinion with only an ad... here in brazil, there's a kind of RIAA and they put a lot of propagandas about it and people just say: "yeah, that's it, fucking thieves" the best post ever! It’s insane how people see an ad on tv about piracy and think: ” that lazybones youth that just don’t wanna buy for all their products, what a shame, fucking thieves”… people are just stupid at all… Watch something on TV and that’s it they create a opinion with only an ad… here in brazil, there’s a kind of RIAA and they put a lot of propagandas about it and people just say: “yeah, that’s it, fucking thieves”

]]> By: riaasuxdix http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249091 riaasuxdix Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:41:21 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/#comment-249091 I have no intention of paying for music that is downloaded it's my dime to the ISP that take care of that for me.The new business model will be the live concerts nothing beats it no video no tape no CD/DVD.There is magic in live concerts being there is the whole experience that I wouldn't want to miss for the world.Believe me the net will always try to be free and no government(not even china)is going to stop the world from being online now.To hell with paying apple 99 cents for a song it should be free you already bought the damn ipod.If you want to pay the artist go to the concert.If they don't like to hell with them then.BTW fuck you riaa. I have no intention of paying for music that is downloaded it’s my dime to the ISP that take care of that for me.The new business model will be the live concerts nothing beats it no video no tape no CD/DVD.There is magic in live concerts being there is the whole experience that I wouldn’t want to miss for the world.Believe me the net will always try to be free and no government(not even china)is going to stop the world from being online now.To hell with paying apple 99 cents for a song it should be free you already bought the damn ipod.If you want to pay the artist go to the concert.If they don’t like to hell with them then.BTW fuck you riaa.

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