A guy like Tauss gets charged and has to fear a trial. But Ursula von der Leyen, also know as “Zensursula” (because of that censorship law she and by now others want), showed pictures of CP in publicy and someone pressed charges against her – and they were dropped. She used these kids to get us to agree with her. Isn’t that just as bad?

I can’t trust something like that…

ust because a party enters a parliament doesn’t necessarily mean it controls it! It just means that it is a representation of the ideals of the people, and if the people want to have filesharing, then so be it. Also, banning violent games? That didn’t just happen in Europe. It happened in Australia, in the US, everywhere where this “copyright” thing seems to be somewhat enforced; it’s merely trend following to gather more votes from the same kind of people that voted for the British National Party.

Still, it shows that their political system considers theft to be a valid advocacy issue. In the states, if there was a political party that went “Hey, guys, let’s all try to get the government to legalize theft!” they would never have half a chance. The fact that the pirate agenda has been allowed to merge with the European political scene says so much about the code of ethics and moral standards they live by.

Giving in to hundreds of greedy pirates, you say. Giving in indeed. They are giving in to what the people want….and if you don’t want to give in to that, well, you just don’t want democracy. And isn’t that precisely what you’re supposedly trying to defend?

I want a a politcal party founded on rape! Or.. maybe bank robberies!.. How about money laundering!

Also “Freedom of speech” doesn’t exist in Germany. In Germany you only have “Freedom of harmless babble” but not more. There are even well-known, verifiable facts you’re not allowed to lie about. If you do so in public, you’ll be punished as harsh as a rapist or worse.

I suppose you’re trying to convince me and others to vote for a PP. If so I gotta tell you that insulting people rarely works.
You don’t even seem to read my posts from start to finish before you go on these semi-trolling rants. I’m not from the US, and even if I were I don’t see why nationality matters. The fact that I read Danish newspapers should make you wonder if I perhaps was from Denmark, and yes Denmark is a European country.

Both the green parties and the social democrats were spawned from already established ideologies. Ideologies that have an opinion on just about all political issues and subjects relevant at the time. Piracy is hardly an ideology, it’s a part of one – actually it’s a part of many.

I’m not suggesting the PP politicians are idiots, what I’m pointing out is that they’ll spend most of their time in parliament voting on issues their electors never heard their opinion on. I don’t know if the member(s) that’ll represent the local PP in parliament are social democrats, Christian democrats, republicans, communists or conservative and quite frankly that bothers me.
I don’t see any chance that the PP’s will ever develop into a full fledged parties, their members and voters seem to disagree on just about every issue besides copyright and privacy.

Yes I have read most PP’s programs. And just to make sure I wasn’t wrong, I just visited the Swedish PP’s homepage. The homepage doesn’t explain their views on anything but patent, copyright, copyright related monopolies, privacy and the freedom of speech.

The PP’s are merely protest parties, not that there’s anything wrong with that, but I don’t believe the copyright issue alone is important enough to warrant my vote atm. I share your fear of censorship, but at least hear in Denmark I have plenty of candidates and parties to choose from that I know will represent my view on that subject.

No matter what fancy insult you cook up next you’re not going to make me vote for any of the PP’s. I am however working on getting our views out there and making some the established politicians/parties change their minds.
You might think that’s futile and every politician not in a PP is a puppet, but I believe “lobbying” is the way to go.

You shouldn’t have to choose whether or not you’re a socialist, a conservative etc. OR a pirate, you should have the option to be a socialist pirate or whatever strikes you’re fancy. None of us want to have the army turned into a bunch of buccaneers.

I don’t see a long term future for the PP’s in modern politics while you clearly do. I suppose time will tell who’s “right”.

Giving in to hundreds of greedy pirates, you say. Giving in indeed. They are giving in to what the people want….and if you don’t want to give in to that, well, you just don’t want democracy. And isn’t that precisely what you’re supposedly trying to defend?

They ban violent games because some psycopath happen to have played them and then they turn around and go “YEAH! STEALING! ALLRIIGHT!”

Im of german descent, and even though, it’s 2 generations, im still starting to feel ashamed. Europe has no backbone. AT ALL. And before you go mouthing off about how they stood up to hollywood and international corporate pressure, just know that doing the right thing takes much more courage in general. Giving in to hundreds of thousands of greedy pirates, sobering at the mouth for stolen material is much easier than having to actually work with law enforcement abroad to create new copyright policies and enforcing them.

It’s like sitting in your house or going out and finding a job.

Still not getting it. Are you american? I’m just asking, because itmight explain mention of Army and abortion as some of the first thoughts to pop into your head and the lack of understanding of the party development process/system.

It may also be the reason why you fail to have the insight that effectively all established parties here(Europe, that odd place that actually offers more than 2 choices to vote on) for example are not just STILL viewed as, but started as “single issue representation” parties. I tried to include subtle hints in my post, but I guess you didn’t get it.

Green party?
Single issue foundation(down with nuclear power, protect our environment, and their competence on world politics went perhaps as far as “petting instead of pershing”), grew basically from a ‘late hippies’ eco-movement. Governed 1998-2005 together with – aha! – the social democrats. They in turn were basically a moderate branch of the more radical socialists who in turn only cropped up in order to be a worker representation, clamoring for more worker rights and freedom, i.e. single issue there as well(they all came from the Marxist/Engel corner originally, doesn’t get more single issue and narrowminded than that), and basically forcing the established powers into dishing out healthcare e.g…neither of these two ever started out with pretending to want anything but representing their core voters and their original issue representation and then evolved. Similiar story for others.

You are an utter moron for not understanding political culture and history if you think ANY party is born or even conceived as an ubiquitiously talented entity..all interest representation MUST start by necessity with a ‘core issue’ which is represented and identified with strongly..where else are voters going to come from? Why else seek representation if you don’t have a place that you are coming from?

A party that’s going to be just as ‘meh’ on everything equally has zero pulling power for anything – there’s already noncommitical clowns running the show as it is, which is why we ARE where we are.

If YOU in turn feel you’re already adequately represented in those things dear to you by those very clowns(who seem to base their ideas more on what might pull the most votes OR party donations by lobby groups), and that includes piracy issues, then fine, that’s your shortcoming and choice.

But don’t argue that because they don’t kick off by including a middle east conflict as core campaign they’re not voteable or that they’d lack the smarts to have or develop a stance on it..that, again, is just stupid, ignorant faggotry, and feel free to underline that.

The pirate party still isn’t a single issue party and had you bothered to read their corresponding country’s program(and/or press releases and various stances on political tidbits and items) you’d know.

So, yes, in both counts, you’re still the same ignorant fag quite frankly for witholding your vote for a reason that isn’t even a valid one. If you fail to grasp that point, then it is only because you fail to do proper research, reading, thinking, investigation.

Or maybe you just want to shirk the responsibility of voting for something that might actually usher in change, fvcked if I know.
There is only one way of showing commitment towards change, and that’s enacting that commitment towards change..I have, I do, and I will.
You seem to prefer to “outargue” your own cause.

There is nothing more important than individual and informational freedom. It is the very foundation which we built ALL our civilized countries and understanding on. If you yourself wish to restrict this to ‘copyright issues’ then, again, this is a personal shortcoming, but it has nothing to do with what the PP is about, stands for or can be confined to.

Really, it’s just you.

Personally quite frankly I can smell the seeds of overprotection and censorship coming, and it’s not like nobody/no place ever went down this road before. I am still amazed by the massive ‘close my eyes, hands over ears’ phenomenon we’re seeing even when there is physical evidence of these things all around us, from the omnipresent public camera to the enforced data retention to the actually maintained censorship lists, import restrictions, biometrics, data monitoring etc pp..these are all fact, and not fiction..I do not want to suffer deterioration of my personal freedoms, and I will not stand for it by enabling those that further it.

Yeah, I’m sorry I see it now … I’m a fag and I ignore stuff…

Look I’m as big a pirate as you are, possibly even bigger. Had you read my post from start to finish you’d know that.
The PP’s have no official policies on things such as trade, economics (aside from the copyright aspects), abortion (I’m pro btw), the army etc. Voting for any of the established parties is like buying a package solution; they have a program listing what they believe in on all political fronts, and how they intend to reach their goals.

If I give my vote a PP I’d be sure they’d use it to alter the copyright law and to protect my privacy and freedom of speech.
But while they are important subjects it’s only around 2 % (just a random number) of what’s being voted on, – and hands down the global economy and the constant middleeast issues are a bit more important.
I haven’t got the faintest idea if a member of a PP will abstain from voting on issues not listed in the PP program or if he/she’ll choose to vote. I risk voting for someone who might either vote against my views on the majority of subjects or someone who’s going to sit on his/her hands and get nothing done. The PP’s are never going to be in government and the only way they’ll ever archive something in parliament is by trading votes with some or the larger parties in matters that have nothing to do with copyright.
My only hope is that the PP’s will inspire some of the established parties to change their views on piracy.

The copyright industry and their loyalists realize that forming some art/culture preservation party isn’t going to work, instead they have created a gazillion of NGO’s and lobby organizations in an effort to manipulate the politicians.
I suppose some of the PP’s double as lobby organizations, and I’ll gladly donate money to them for bringing our views out there, but they’ll never get my vote.

Just today I read an article in a Danish newspaper that suggested around a third of the Danes believe copying music and movies should be legal.
The reason they do not vote for a PP is clear, copyright just isn’t that important, the only way their views are ever going to get heard in parliament is if a few of the established parties, or possibly candidates, change/adjust their copyright views.
Making someone change their mind, that’s what NGO’s and lobby organizations are for.

“I would never vote for a party that only have a program on copyright and privacy, they are basically lobbyists.”

Sounds sensible. But which party IS that?
Can’t be the pirate party, because they’ve got a much further reaching agenda. Couldn’t be that you’re just an ignorant prejudiced fag who ignores stuff he doesn’t know about though, right? Cool. Just wanted to make sure.

Btw, anyone know how that odd “green party” that actually ended up governing for a while came to be? Or that oddball other, what were they called, social democrats or something…only thing I know for sure, they certainly weren’t singular issue based, hell no. That’d be silly. Like someone would vote solely because of missing worker representation or fear and fury against nuclear danger and environment issues.
Why, I lulz at the thought of it!