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By: El Partido Pirata recibe un apoyo masivo en Suecia « Movimiento Anti NWO

El Partido Pirata recibe un apoyo masivo en Suecia « Movimiento Anti NWO — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:01:26 +0000

[...] Falkvinge considera que los 100.000 votos necesarios para lograr entrar en el Parlamento europeo “están a su alcance”. “Es difícil pero con las cifras actuales podemos lograrlo”, señala en declaraciones a TorrentFreak [...]

By: Feliz A?o xxxx a la Pirate Bay - Que cabrones - Burbuja Econ?mica

Feliz A?o xxxx a la Pirate Bay - Que cabrones - Burbuja Econ?mica — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:08:13 +0000

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By: dodole

dodole — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:05:33 +0000

Just to make something clear: the pirate party has no membership fee. Thus it is very easy for anyone to join without having to make any kind of obligation. Therefore I find it silly to say things like "the party is bigger than the green party", when the greens, as the other parties, have a much more politically active member base. You can't really compare the two. Another thing: the european elections have a very low turn-out in comparison with the national elections. This means that all smaller parties (greens, far left and far right parties, etc) are overrepresented in the European parliament because these parties' voters are more active and thus vote in a higher degree than the average mainstream-party voter. It's good to keep these things in mind when looking at random polls like this one.

By: Novedades del Lunes | VIDEOCHISTES - VÍDEOS Y HUMOR

Novedades del Lunes | VIDEOCHISTES - VÍDEOS Y HUMOR — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:07:10 +0000

[...] El partido pirata recibe un apoyo masivo en Suecia. Las cosas van fenomenal para el partido pirata sueco, con menos de tres años desde su fundación el número de simpatizantes aumenta, de hecho la mitad de los menores de treinta años han manifestado su intención de votar a esta formación. [...]

By: davebob

davebob — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:33:17 +0000

Good way to get Sweden kicked out of 'most favored nation trading status".

By: P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » Swedish Pirate Party no longer marginal

Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:01:38 +0000

[...] Via Torrentfreak: [...]

By: Szwedzka Partia Piratów w Europarlamencie? | MY-NETWORK

Szwedzka Partia Piratów w Europarlamencie? | MY-NETWORK — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:58:52 +0000

[...] Okazuje si? jednak, ?e czasy si? zmieni?y – ostatnie badania opinii publicznej pokazuj?, ?e 21% szwedów rozwa?a g?osowanie na Parti? Piratów w nadchodz?cych wyborach do Parlamentu Europejskiego. W?ród m?odych ludzi (18-29) wynik ten jest du?o bardziej bezprecedensowy – a? 55%. [...]

By: freetard

freetard — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:09:35 +0000

"this is the most important human rights battle of the century."
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lol

By: Matt`

Matt` — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:04:30 +0000

But then where do the anti-environment pirates go?
Or if you want a more realistic political demographic, the pro-copyright environmentalists.

By: » Il Pirat Partiet svedese si prepara alle elezioni europee 2009

» Il Pirat Partiet svedese si prepara alle elezioni europee 2009 — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:54:20 +0000

[...] Via | TorrentFreak.com [...]

By: Il Pirat Partiet svedese si prepara alle elezioni europee 2009 · Commenta la tecnologia, la telefonia, i software

Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:24:15 +0000

[...] Via | TorrentFreak.com [...]

By: sarjuva

sarjuva — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:05:21 +0000

In USA, third party is always 'a freaking joke' to someone

By: Arrrr! Ruotsin Piraattipuolue matkalla Europarlamenttiin - Teemu Hiilinen - Teemu tarttuu toimeen

Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:24:33 +0000

[...] Lähde: TorrentFreak [...]

By: Pirate Party Gets Massive Support in Sweden « The Manic Ramblings Of A Swede

Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:18:45 +0000

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By: bakapinkuu

bakapinkuu — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:39:48 +0000

Technically, this is true. But by the same logic, "LEGALIZE POT" on the back of your car won't get you pulled over more often. And that's government – corporations have al the freedom in the world to profile you.
But for now, I wouldn't worry about it. They'd have to go way into illegal territory to reverse-engineer your name with an IP.

By: KennedyX

KennedyX — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:18:50 +0000

Times have changed, we started as a free country, if you really think we're still free you're either really naive or in denial.

And you're certainly misled if you think that our votes count.
Every candidate that we are presented has been handpicked by the banking and oil industries.

Look at where Obama and McCain's campaign funding came from.
Chase Manhattan (among many others) donated large sums to both of them.

As Thomas Jefferson said, "There are none more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

Our government is an evil terrible imperialistic bloodthirsty force in the world.
You're seeing the world through Roze-colored glasses.

By: raidz

raidz — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:52:11 +0000

We need this in the US!

By: Jonas

Jonas — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:28:23 +0000

as a EXpat i am coming back just to vote Pirate this is the most important human rights battle of the century.

By: Roze

Roze — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:19:07 +0000

Yes, there is always the particular social danger of it, but to act like if we were in Uzbekistan is just ridiculous. For example, in the United States, if there were ever a gathering of a pro-file-sharing group, the armed forces are not going to come in and randomly kill over 200 people in the crowd.

By: Roze

Roze — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:16:18 +0000

Might not, since the Pirate Party is essentially a single-issue party, even though their policies are indeed aligned. Maybe, who knows?

By: An Anachronist’s Life » Blog Archive » Pirate Party

An Anachronist’s Life » Blog Archive » Pirate Party — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:46:17 +0000

[...] ???????????????digg??????????? Things are looking really good for the Swedish Pirate Party. Running up to the 2009 European Parliament elections more than half of all Swedish men under 30 are considering voting for them. Thanks to the Internet, its membership has grown 50% during the last quarter, surpassing that of the well established Green Party. [...]

By: jas

jas — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:18:08 +0000

there is a pirate party in USA. and they're a freaking joke

By: freetard

freetard — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:31:21 +0000

too bad you can't just steal votes off the internet…

By: Roze

Roze — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:41:23 +0000

Actually, it is much more free now than in its founding. At the start of the U.S., there was legalized slavery in every state, only white men who meet a certain property requirement could vote, and there was no secret ballot, and the senate was not directly elected. The United States is, in fact, more democratic than it was in its founding – especially if you consider how the Sedition Act of 1798 would definitely be ruled unconstitutional in this day. True, there was the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918, but all things considered, they were during war-time, and were either limited by later court rulings or repealed. If you compare the United States, to, for example, Burma, I am sure you would pick the United States to be the more democratic one. The fact is that campaign funding can only do so much, and candidates are definitely not picked by the banking and oil industries – not in this day, anyways.

The fact is that if there were ever such a nefarious control of power by industry, (which, admittedly, did happen somewhat in the 1950's under Eisenhower, in FOREIGN COUNTRIES like Operation Ajax), people would know about it, since no government which deceives massively can truly do it successfully – especially since it definitely did not succeed even in the Soviet Union. Moreover, the idea that industry controls everything is also not taking into account the fact that several historical events were not exactly in the interest of the industry, like the Spanish-American War of 1898, where the businesses were actually not eager to engage in war against the Spanish because such a thing might threaten their business interests in Cuba. Yes, sometimes, businesses get their way, like what happened in the takeover of the Panama Canal, but to say that they have absolute power over what happens in government is always ridiculous. Even in the days of the political machine bosses, there was the populists and the later progressives which definitely made a difference – and not in the industry's favor, such as the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Adamson Act, the Federal Trade Comission Act, Keating-Owen Child Labor Act, and Theodore Roosevelt's and Taft's trust-busting.

Well, times have indeed changed, but it is in the opposite direction of what you have said. Go ahead, if you want to think that we were more free in the days when companies could just form monopolies through trusts whenever they wanted, could hire private armed forces (like the Pinkerton Detective Agency) to infiltrate or combat labor unions, could declare labor unions illegal through the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, or could threaten to fire their workers for not voting for McKinley (since there was no secret ballot). Now seriously, we are not in the days of the Crédit Mobilier scandal or Boss Tweed anymore.

By: noppp

noppp — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:41:58 +0000

Who cares about Sweden?

It’s really a shitty country.

By: nunca nueve » Ja Vi Kan

nunca nueve » Ja Vi Kan — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:56:43 +0000

[...] Vi Kan” vol dir “Yes We Can” en suec. Pirate Party Gets Massive Support in Sweden For the upcoming European election, the Pirate Party requires 100,000 Swedish votes to get a seat, [...]

By: Sweden’s Pirate Party: High Hope for the Upcoming Elections

Sweden’s Pirate Party: High Hope for the Upcoming Elections — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:13:33 +0000

[...] Party seems to be quite confident in its chances to the 2009 European Parliament elections. As TorrentFreak points out more than half of all Swedish men under 30 are likely to vote for [...]

By: /++//++//++//++//++//++/ » Blog Archive

/++//++//++//++//++//++/ » Blog Archive — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:07:42 +0000

[...] For the upcoming European election, the Pirate Party requires 100,000 Swedish votes to get a seat, a goal that is within reach in the current political climate. Falkvinge is optimistic too, and said “We need to grow by another 50%, counting from the Swedish election two years ago, to get seats in the EU parliament and shake the political copyright world at its core. It’s hard, it’s supposed to be hard, but the numbers show we can do it. We can do this, and the charts are going stratospheric.” torrentfreak.com… [...]

By: swe

swe — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:52:06 +0000

In tha last election, roughly two and a half years ago a new goverment was apointed in sweden, mostly due to discontent with the one we had. This new goverment has continuasly pushed new legislations that will seriosly jepordize our privacy. The citizens of sweden has largely opposed this, and demonstrations with thousands of people have been frequent, even supported by members of our current goverment. The mainstream press has picked up on this and covered it widely. That is why it's been so successfull lately.
If the pirate party of sweden can achive seats of both national and european parlament it will very likely be a positive trend for all other pirate parties aswell. Atleast we must hope so.

By: Swe

Swe — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:44:31 +0000

It's actually enough just to have one single voice in the european parlament. Most, if not all, anti-privacy legislations that have been passed in the parlament has done so because of misinformation and lack of knowledge. With a voice in the parlament that can argue for privacy, the lack of knowledge will be countered,

By: ...

... — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:37:06 +0000

why dont sweden's pirate party and green party form a coalition. They should be sharing each other's policies and principles anyway, in my view, and they would be much stronger working as one.

By: doubtful

doubtful — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:31:32 +0000

It's not as big as it seems. The question (roughly translated) was "In six months from now there is an election for the European Parliament. The Pirate Party is a political party in Sweden who opposes surveillance laws such as Ipred and the FRA-law. Would you consider voting for The Pirate Party in the election?" The choices were "Yes, absolutely", "Yes, maybe", "No", "Will not vote", "Haven't heard about The Pirate Party" and "Hesitant or don't know".

The question it self is in my opinion vague, "Would you consider" could mean a lot of things. The choices are also pretty misleading, two yes-options and only one no. They added the yes-options (7% and 14%) to reach 21% which i think would mean that they probably wouldn't get near 21% of the votes if this was an actual election.

By: El partido pirata recibe un apoyo masivo en Suecia

El partido pirata recibe un apoyo masivo en Suecia — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:29:01 +0000

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By: Ben

Ben — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:19:22 +0000

Will be nice to have a small voice in the weakest legislating body of the EU. But I suppose everyone has to start somewhere. . .

By: walker1977

walker1977 — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:15:10 +0000

USA needs to get a new party like Sweden and then maybe we can keep our rights because since the Democrats and Republicans have been running the show we have lost more rights than we can afford. hopefully stuff like this will spread around and then it will be harder for the stupid copyright peeps to come after us.

By: l’ATTACHÉPOL. » Blog Archive » le Parti pirate

l’ATTACHÉPOL. » Blog Archive » le Parti pirate — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:57:04 +0000

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By: reizbombardement — a tumblelog

reizbombardement — a tumblelog — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:50:00 +0000

[...] “Things are looking really good for the Swedish Pirate Party. Running up to the 2009 European Parliament elections more than half of all Swedish men under 30 are considering voting for them. Thanks to the Internet, its membership has grown 50% during the last quarter, surpassing that of the well established Green Party.” (TorrentFreak) [...]

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:40:28 +0000

Just had a quick look at their manifesto. They only seem to cover the act of changing the idea of ownership and privacy and suchlike.

What about other policies regarding health&education, economy, defence, housing or the environment etc?

By: makin257 - Pirate Party Gets Massive Support in Sweden

makin257 - Pirate Party Gets Massive Support in Sweden — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:59:51 +0000

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By: Realist

Realist — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:22:51 +0000

I do live in the US, and I can tell you why that is not dumb statement. The danger is not in whether or not it is illegal to be a part of the Pirate Party here, it is how it looks for you to be a member. Does anybody remember the McCarthy madness that swept the US so easily? People were charged as Communists, whether or not there was anything to back this up, and regardless of the fact that people are free to be affiliated with whichever party they choose. And even if you got off the hook, you were usually blacklisted, making it impossible for you to get a job or make connections so as to take care of yourself. Now we have the Patriot Act, which gives our police/federal officers the authority to arrest you as they see fit, whether or not you are breaking a law. Really, all they have to do is hit you with something that they know will let them drag you through court for so long that it destroys your social life and buries you in legal fees. But seriously, the government does what it wants, regardless of what the law states. Even if they don't charge you with something, they are very good at harassing/threatening people, so I can understand why someone might be wary of doing something like joining the Pirate Party. All it takes is for politicians to manufacture a new '"threat" to our "democracy" and decide that you fall under said "threat". So please don't be so naive as to think that the law actually protects you anywhere but in court, because even there you can often twist it to mean something completely different than what it does. Just a thought.

By: TehStalekr

TehStalekr — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:10:35 +0000

let me clarify:

7% will vote for the pirate party
14% are considering voting for the pirate party

/epic win

By: Anonym

Anonym — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 09:33:41 +0000

> what they do currently (downloading copyrighted material) is legal.

But so called "making available" or simply sharing may be classified as illegal (it is controversial, because some courts said that it is legal).

By: Roze

Roze — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 09:07:16 +0000

Yes, voting will actually change things. It is not mere voting, but rather, the existence of a pressure group that shall change things. Democracy is not an illusion, certainly not the one in the United States. If you want "democracy is an illusion," look at Uzbekistan, not at the United States.

By: Norm

Norm — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 08:27:14 +0000

No no no.
Democracy is an illusion. We can't actually vote on issues… just people to vote on issues. In the case of the president, we vote for people to vote for people to vote on issues (electoral college). And in the end, nobody we vote for is true to their word. Any politician who says they are for the people will change their mind when the RIAA donates to their campaign. We get two choices every election, and both suck. How do you think voting is going to fix anything?

Admittedly in a parliamentary system, there is more of a chance for smaller parties to make a splash… and im optimistic for the sweedish pirate party, but if you ask me, we need to vote with our keyboards, and not with our ballots. If the technology is put in place, and filesharing becomes widespread enough, change will be inevitable.

By: NubCakes

NubCakes — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:53:52 +0000

As pointed out already this doesn't mean much: "considering" isn't an actual vote or even an intention of voting.

By: NubCakes

NubCakes — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:52:47 +0000

"but seriously, the poll is a tool to manipulate masses. "

What are you talking about: polls are reflections of answers people give to a given set of questions or suppositions, how the hell is that providing any form of manipulation?

I agree with you about the name though: not only does it seem unlikely to garner any mainstream votes it also seemingly doesn't even reflect their policy agenda IE. their major push isn't in fact to support the breaking of current copyright law. Unfortunately many people here read the name and assume that they wish to amend copyright law and so what they do currently (downloading copyrighted material) is legal.

By: NubCakes

NubCakes — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:49:40 +0000

"but seriously, the poll is a tool to manipulate masses. "

What are you talking about: polls are reflections of answers people give to a given set of questions or suppositions, how the hell is that providing any form of manipulation?

By: NubCakes

NubCakes — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:47:59 +0000

That was a really crap clarification as your giving infomation that isn't factual. Why don't you read the article pertaining to this infomation …

By: NubCakes

NubCakes — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:45:12 +0000

Dont you think if that if they could do that and maintain their political integrity due to their policies being aligned they would?

By: NubCakes

NubCakes — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:43:46 +0000

Oh right… that must be why there's almost no organised movement that are pro-pirate.