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By: Duitse Piratenpartij krijgt politie over de vloer | Computertaal

Duitse Piratenpartij krijgt politie over de vloer | Computertaal — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:23:08 +0000

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By: King Nigger

King Nigger — Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:50:58 +0000

pirat parti iz ilegal ive killd 20 ov teh sic basardz in canada

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By: Panzer, Panzer requesting immediate support

Panzer, Panzer requesting immediate support — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:21:22 +0000

Glad you are a truly free now.

Denying the past, outlawing all Nazi references. Thats really helping you all out?

HEINRICH HIMMLER would be proud!

YOUR PAPERS! YOUR PAPERS SIR! HALT!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:53:16 +0000

Our governments are populated by criminals. The sooner you realize it the sooner we can destroy them and hunt them down like the dirt they are.

By: Ben

Ben — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:26:11 +0000

Since it’s a point that nobody seems to have made so far, governments can set up taps on physical phone lines, why should virtual ones be any different?

The problems that I have with this is firstly that they were trying to keep it secret and illegally seized equipment.

And secondly, since it’s a program, someone else could get hold of it.

Also @15 and 19.

When you share or copy, it doesn’t restrict ability to access, when you steal you physically take.
As for potential profits, I’m sorry that I haven’t given up eating yet because I decide I want to watch a TV show or listen to some music…

I waste most of my income as it is. Pay for the decent stuff, not for the overpriced trash.

By: Insu

Insu — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:28:44 +0000

One example about germany & internet.

Data security programs like Nmap are illagal in germany. The purpose with these kind of programs are to find those security issues from the systems. It was banned because, you’re able to use it wrong.

By: Paul

Paul — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:45:08 +0000

Join your local Pirate Party people! It’s important! It’s so long since there’s been any real change in the corrupt Governments of the world. Let’s all join to bring some people power back into play.

By: s2pid

s2pid — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:02:11 +0000

it’s moironic to be listening in on your citizens back but if maybe 6% of those citizens happen to be hardcore Islamists then i bet it’s warranted to listen in on SIP sessions.It’s a necessary evil the government may argue.
I know where this shit’s headed ,Kill the pig and save the sheep ideology.
In the end most of us barely walk away numbed.
“Let’s Give A Fuck”

I said that.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:53:03 +0000

@ Bilderberg: Bush: Hey, Angie, heh! We need you to do somethin' fer us! You know that party, hehe, the one with all the sailors? We need you to do something... *whispers in Merkl's ear*... Merkl: .. mm-hmm... Ja. Ja... Really, so soon? Ja, ist gut. Ist no problem... Bush: Hehe, yeah we got an election this year and this will make us look real moderate.

By: concerned citizen

concerned citizen — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:44:55 +0000

this is really getting too 1984 …

and those people we vote?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:04:26 +0000

fucking nazis

By: Lint

Lint — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:02:20 +0000

Ooooh, so THAT’s why the government hired Sony executives!
Sadly, I think that this is gonna end the same as Sony’s case, indeed.

By: democracy is a joke

democracy is a joke — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:01:48 +0000

Welcome to the people’s republic of Germany!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:42:27 +0000

The only hope
join pirate party

By: FFS

FFS — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:02:05 +0000

This crap only keeps getting worse. When the hell will people realize that the governments are powerless when it matters? It is the citizens of each country that possess the real power. After all, someone has to pay these politicians and “leaders” salary and someone has to follow their commands.And we certainly outnumber them by quite a large margin. Germany can suck the MPAA and RIAA’s balls all they want, it only shows how corrupt and flawed they are, just like the US, and like Canada keeps trying to do.

By: Bob

Bob — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:54:48 +0000

Great post, keep up the good work!

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By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:37:36 +0000

You guys act like the German government is any different from the American government… The ONLY DIFFERENCE, is that Germany seeked a illegal method to keep surveillance on its people.
The united states made it LEGAL to install backdoors in all ip services, routers, computers, and any piece of software that is commercially distributed.
The only difference here is that germany has more rights than america does at the moment. Godam slavemasters.

By: Going to hell in a handcart

Going to hell in a handcart — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:13:13 +0000

Betcha they try to justify this with that tired old ‘but it’s for the war on terror’ argument – all our western governments have always had the ability to listen in on our telephone and mobile phone conversations, whether they openly admit it or not, but now technology has come along and mixed it right up with voice over ip, and our terrorist west-hating jihadists are all apparently using it for their evil planning now instead of mobiles because it’s so much more secure and difficult to listen in on. So it’s not really surprising that a western government has developed a way to ‘wire-tap’ voice-over-ip. So the way they’ve implemented it is a bit questionable, but tbh communications monitoring has been around since wire-comms was invented. They’ll tell us: Either put up, or shut up (and you can already see how far they’re willing to go to enforce it). And if you can’t do that, we’ll all get blown up. Meh… whatever happens you know where we’re all headed anyways…

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:09:13 +0000

“Governments exist to promote the general welfare, not to spy on their own loyal citizens.”

Never in history and not in the future. They exist to serve themselves.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:08:09 +0000

“the entire pirate belief system is anti content-creator.”

no, it’s pro-freedom… i’m sorry if you don’t want freedom, but we do.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:37:32 +0000

I’m not putting up with this crap from our Governments, i’m joining the local Pirate Party. They atleast stand for freedom and democracy. I would urge everyone to join their local parties, even just to show some support for our freedoms.

By: Welcome to 1984

Welcome to 1984 — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:31:13 +0000

Check out the movie 1984, or just read the book by George Orwell.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:30:45 +0000

Damn, it sounds like Germany is censoring basic freedoms even more so than the United States is when it comes to civilian privacy and free speech.

Conspiracy theorists used to sound insane, but if governments are going to behave in such a manner what do they expect us to think? Come on, this is Europe…not fucking China!

Governments exist to promote the general welfare, not to spy on their own loyal citizens.
You’d think their time would be better spent hunting for real criminals…what else the hell do we pay taxes for?

By: James

James — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:27:33 +0000

Bloody hell. Alex Jones might be right. The worlds governments have been corrupted and taken over by the Illuminati.

By: Julian

Julian — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:03:19 +0000

i am from germany and all i have to say is that the development in politics really scares me.
surveillance everywhere (police+cameras) and now also internet communication logged. breaking into our privacy, our homes under the pretext of the danger of terrorism.
and most of the people are so brainwashed by mass media that they believe it – or are not interested in what is happening anyway.
sad. what can we do?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:50:19 +0000

@ #30

The original document is still linked from the german pirate party page.

You can download it here:

http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/images/5/54/Bayern-skype-tkue.pdf

However, it’s in German.

By: th1rdeye

th1rdeye — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:19:48 +0000

governments around the world are out of control; their purpose is to serve the people. this sort of behavior surely does not follow the traditional doctrine of what government is supposed to be.

By: what

what — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:05:12 +0000

Can someone link to or host the documents somewhere for everyone to view? i don’t even know what to search for, but would really like to view the docs.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:35:20 +0000

Pretty ironic how the government would pirate the pirate party’s stuff.

By: Jerff Willis

Jerff Willis — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:16:21 +0000

Wow, so the plot thickens! WTF man!

Jiff
http://www.anonymize.us.tc

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:07:10 +0000

@15
lol communist

By: Neglacio

Neglacio — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:56:04 +0000

@ 19

People like the RIAA are anti-creator, as you say it. Just take a look at the Shareaza-case.

By: Jay

Jay — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:43:36 +0000

@ 19

The “pirate belief system” is not anti-creator, it is anti-corporate middlemen.

Producing something with the intention of selling it isn’t “art” but “manufacturing”, even though the product may have some artistic merit.

The majority of pirates out there do actually respect the creator for their CREATIVITY but don’t have respect for the commercial aspect of distribution which is a totally separate thing.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:23:43 +0000

I’m joining the Pirate Party now.. These guys are fighting for that last freedoms we have.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:45:45 +0000

Next time use Wikileaks!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:40:07 +0000

HA!

By: Anon

Anon — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:39:26 +0000

Shameful gestapo tactics from the German government. They should be doubly prosecuted for trying to cover up their illegal actions.

By: Llama

Llama — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:18:14 +0000

What the heck is this world coming to. Reading just the headline was appalling enough, let alone the article.

If this is how Germany treats minor political parties, I’d hate to see what happened if the Pirate Party ever gained any ground in the US.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:05:20 +0000

they may not be pretending to be the creator but they are depriving the creator of potential income when they “share” it so anyone with an internet connection can have access to a product that was intended to be sold. stealing and fraud are interrelated. you are pretending to have the same rights as the content creator when you really don’t. the entire pirate belief system is anti content-creator.

By: lol

lol — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:54:55 +0000

@12, yeah, you’re exactly right.

The government are criminals.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:14:48 +0000

@P1RATE: Your social security number, your mother’s address, your bank account numbers are not culture. Look it up.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:03:58 +0000

@15
The difference is that they can be used to commit fraud (i. e. pretend to have the address, bank account, social security number, etc.), whereas nobody is pretending to be the creator of whatever file is being shared in file-sharing.

By: P1RATE

P1RATE — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:49:37 +0000

@1: “Damn… someone does good work to prevent others breaking laws and what happens? Stuff gets “seized” (stolen is more accurate”

ACTUALLY, “sharing” is more accurate. Stop being such a crybaby. Everything that can be shared, should be. Your social security number, your mother’s address, your bank account numbers, all of it. It’s all culture and culture wants to be free.

By: James

James — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:33:06 +0000

Just typical politics. shows the Pirate Party over there was gaining some ground. They will attack them any way they can to keep control over peoples lives. The world is an evil place indeed.

By: www.eZee.se

www.eZee.se — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:47:40 +0000

Its just a matter of time before a new axis of evil speech is given, with new maps… and somehow we are going to see that there are pirate party HQ next to each of these “hotspots”.

Dont be suspicious… its all a coincidence.

DO NOT BREAK THE LAW (Since we are lawkeepers, we can break the law… but YOU DONT BREAK THE LAW. Period)

Hypocrites.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:45:11 +0000

H ahah a

they got 0wned :)

stup1d criminals

By: h33t

h33t — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:34:15 +0000

software pirates deserve to be prosecuted with the full force of the law

any organisation that promotes the rights of criminal activity should be subject to intense police scrutiny

down with piracy, long live filesharing

http://www.h33t.com where pirates are not welcome

By: #YLS#

#YLS# — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:33:06 +0000

This is another bit of disturbing news, how can a ‘skype’ trojan be allowed, surely as it’s a trojan it’s not used to target individuals directly but just collect information in general. The info is sketchy but…

What if this malware ended up on the computer of a citerzen outside of germany? or even a goverment machine of aother country? couldn’t that be considered an act of war even?