Pedobear sure loves the music industry.

1. If Movies, Music, etc.. is art, than it must be free. Art is free and it’s priceless.

2. If they aren’t art, then they must be a product with price. If somebody sell you some product, he lose anu rights to tell you what to do with taht product, because you are rightfull owner of that. What you will do with that is ONLY your bussines.

Can you imagine something like… weapon seller sue somebody because he shoot from gun?
Yes he share bullets (through gun barrel) with someone (usually enemy) and that is copyright :D

LOL bulletsharing

Even god can’t find any logical in any copyright law.

20% reduction in speed, and some of you are cheering about it? C’mon.

“In other words, unless you see music being sold for a price that you approve of, you think you allowed to steal it?”

No matter what people think regarding being “allowed”, they’ll do it anyway. For various reasons. Want to stop them? Adapt. Give them what they want. Supply and demand, you know.

Itunes is not the answer. It’s part of the answer but not a complete solution. What if my portable music player can’t handle AAC audio? What if my operating system can’t run the iTunes app? What if I simply don’t like Apple?

But I guess it’s easier to spend millions to lobby politicians, spend millions in litigation to ruin the lives of a few single mothers and college students… instead of opening up an AllOfMp3-like store, that would give you the choice of format and bitrate at an affordable price.

As for getting information on a DC-hub, one can only get on a hub by sharing quite huge collection and allow uploading (because of the many rules and not really anything usefull there what can be found elsewhere not worth the trouble though). So did they share files ? Even if it is legal for them to distribute, they allow it to be shared again as that is the idea of DC and can be assumed to be the case. Will there be a disclosure of what they shared ?

@16
Very common numbers and can be much higher. It’s easy enough to get there. Just leech a (music) newsgroup upto a year back you’ll find you have a few times more than 17000 within days. If you want all of it is another matter.

No justice no peace.

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If someone was to get your offline password, they can only connect to the vpn so not much good unless the op was careless and left it laying around but provided its a vpn, i would doubt they would just leave their password laying around. Also if someone was to get your vpn password, this would just allow them to use it so no harm done. It would actually help them. Anyways, pptp seems as its fixed. Way better than using openvpn and then connection dropping while your sleeping.

“Record companies are running with the same argument that publishers did when libraries came into being. They warned that no one would continue to write books if it was possible to borrow them for free.”

Uhm, is he on crack? When you get a book from the library, you don’t own it. You are BORROWING it. You are agreeing to a contract that decides how long you can keep the book for and what happens if you don’t return it when it’s due. Obviously, some people want to own things permanently, hence where the difference between buying things and borrowing things comes in.

Libraries only usually have a single copy of a book, which means that you have much greater chance of finding a copy if you buy it.

You know what the difference is? If libraries were adversly affecting the profits of authors, they wouldn’t still be here. Has anyone ever wondered why no one is going after libraries and instead file sharers? Let me guess, people think that there is some elaborate conspiracy where the library is paying off politicians?

In contrast, when you download a piece of music (or whatever copyrighted work), there are no terms you have to agree too. You get to keep it forever and with it as you wish, so there is no motivation to pay for anything. That’s why people are going after file sharers.

1. Music is free, it can’t be stolen.

Time to go learn what copyright is.

What you are stealing is intellectual property.

2. Oh, he meant stealing their precious files? Don’t they have them anymore? C’mon IFPI, if you really lost them, fetch them again via BitTorrent: we file sharers will gladly help you if we have a copy. ;-)
No, you moron. You are stealing their work. They depend on profits to make a living. Just because it isn’t physical theft where the original is depleted, doesn’t mean it’s not theft. It’s digital theft. You are listening to something which has not been payed for. In effect, this is stealing.

3. IFPI shouldn’t have closed the likes of AllOfMp3 which provided fair and adequate pricing for DRM-unencumbered music. So no: there are NO good options to buy music online (yet).

In other words, unless you see music being sold for a price that you approve of, you think you allowed to steal it?

Have you ever heard of itunes?

“When the police go in and take people’s private computers because they have shared music, it’s completely wrong,” he said.

And they should be allowed to continue depriving artists of their work.. why exactly?

Total waste….total…..waste.

But I agree when some1 up there said direct connect is probably one of the closest ways of sharing since you actually ‘know’ who is on the other side and what this person likes (his/her tastes) and so on.

I think I got something around 8k songs here, most of them are just soundtracks that I barely ever listen. But there are a few hundreds – I’d guess around 350 – that I actually listen a lot. And I own over half of those (physically). Point is, they must have all that for the sake of completeness and not because they actually listen or NEED those.

Shows how far from reality those guys are. No matter what they say or do, people will NOT buy everything they see or download (specially if they don’t see at all). For economical reasons or simply because it’s not worth. I was wondering what’s the difference of watching Lost in TV skipping when there are the advertisements and watching what you downloaded… In fact, there is so much advertisement in TV today that I don’t watch TV anymore….

Interesting fact: I have some CDs that I didn’t even care to take out from the plastic wrap. I bought them but I keep listening to what I downloaded via BT…

Anyway, good luck for those guys.

If u use DC at this time you deserve to be arrested as u where living under a rock.

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What does this have to do with the topic? Not a thing!

This is about enjoying the simple freedom we all have in urination.

Urination can be fun, you can use ice cream containers filled with ice cream and melt it with a nice hot stream, or you can use empty containers.

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I urinate, you urinate, we all urinate.

What does this have to do with the topic? Not a thing!

This is about enjoying the simple freedom we all have in urination.

Urination can be fun, you can use ice cream containers filled with ice cream and melt it with a nice hot stream, or you can use empty containers.

Some people enjoy “crossing the streams” and urinating together on large piles of marshmellows.

It’s a creative way to enjoy your day.

I have that many FOLDERS available for download…

That’s not even enough to fill an ipod (6th generation classic). I’ve got more tracks that that on legally purchased vinyl records (so you can just STFU RM with your false accusations).

@ 20 Feb 03, 2010 at 14:42 by CCC

Please tell me that’s sarcasm.

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Wrong. He falsely accuses everyone here of theft. Even if you argue that he simply means copyright infringement, then he still falsely accuses everyone of that. He name calls, flames, etc. Have you not read his posts.

I look at it this way, if there were RM impersonators, wouldn’t you think TF would remove them? They definitely know my IP addy and awaiting moderate (but eventually approve) some of my comments.

Your an idiot, instead of you telling people ‘there is really no reason anymore for people to steal music’, you need to hear this exact line form the people you claim to speak for. That was in polite terms, in internet terms i say STFU!

As for the “stealing vrs. infringement” debate, it’s time to set that old tired canard aside.
Everyone knows that infringement laws differ from theft, just as everyone knows the argument “the original is left unharmed” is beside the point. Even when cd’s are duplicated and pirated the “original” is safe in some label’s vault somewhere. So get over yourself on that. it’s a non argument.

Technically, until the laws are tightened (and they are already in progress of course) “infringement” is the proper term for the civil infraction that is prosecuted and punished.

But “stealing” as a colloquial expression is no less accurate and that’s why artists feel they’ve been “stolen” from, labels argue that their properly earned profit has been “stolen”, law enforcement uses “stolen” to describe the digital act of making a copy of something illegally without paying the price is sells for. Anecdotally, “stealing” is just as accurate and just as appropriate as “infringing”, and the terms may be interchanged by either side of this debate with no harm.

Besides.
How long do you think it will take before government upgrades a civil infraction to a crime, with criminal charges, prosecutions and criminal penalties leaving criminal records? At that point “stealing” IS the proper term. And the best part is, you think “freedom of speech’ is the same thing as “freedom to take” so you keep taking, lol, and so I’ll wager upgrading to criminal is simply a manner of when.

Consider:

- How do you know whether or not record companies are pumping subliminal messages into music?
- How do you know whether or not an unseen random individual with malicious intent isn’t pumping subliminal messages into music and throwing it on file sharing networks?

“I’ll just listen to records, then” But corrupt people existed then, too. The only way to be sure is to compose the music yourself, or reproduce it from sheet music. But even with sheet music how do you know whether or not the music itself is coded to provide some type of effect either realized or vague within your mind?

So then there’s nature, ahhh.. but how do you know whether or not the sounds of nature are tuned to act upon your mind in a certain way beyond our understanding?

Im sorry what? You have obviously never tried to use said ‘options’.

Please die in a fire.