“…You see it’s not your work that you get paid for, it’s selling your music.
Getting paid for your work would be, for example, when performing live or something like that. Or funded beforehand (pledging system, for instance). Not selling endless ‘copies’.”

Good point and well said.

talking about industry vs artists, must read

“I think going out of business for bad business practices is exactly what is needed for these industries.”

Sort of like what happened with the auto and housing and the other corporate greed monsters recently.

The music and record industry is next.

This isn’t a case of a physical product either. In all cases it is a product with a set production cost being mass-marketed infinitely with no caps or boundaries whatsoever as to the amount of potential profit. This inspires the outrageous level of greed we are seeing now. Since it *should* be hugely profitable, they start seeing red when it isn’t. Maybe it’s because no one wants what they just wasted millions to produce? Tough luck. Get to know your audience a little better before you gamble on what they are willing to pay for.

Movies and music productions have flopped and ended up costing producers money rather than making it for them long before the first PC was even invented. It’s supposed to be a gamble for the bloodsuckers, not a guaranteed revenue stream, even when the product is lackluster. I have yet to see a movie in the last year that I felt was worth the cost of a movie ticket. Furthermore, the RIAA cooked and ate the golden egg-laying goose when they began suing individuals. I will never buy anything to support them again. Ever. If an artist wants my money, they’d damn well better sell direct and be willing to come put on a concert near me rather than from behind some thieving, litigious labels and industry shills.

The entertainment industries have flooded the market with garbage. Instead of 3-4 major blockbusters a year, we see double or triple that, and the overall quality has suffered dramatically. People are still spending the same amount(proportionately) on entertainment as in the heyday of the ’80s, so approximately 2/3 of all movies and music are seeking a paying audience from people who have no budget for *that much* entertainment. Something has to flop when you make so much crap in such high volume.

“The poor artists” means nothing when the artists should be paid up front or upon completion and be leaving the marketing gamble for the studios and labels to absorb when something flops and profit from when they find a winner. That’s why the labels are even allowed to exist, but have skirted their own responsibility to take a loss because that aspect of their own business is not profitable. Win some lose some. Sadly, they think they can be the house and always have the odds in their favor. You know, the companies who don’t actually contribute anything but are right there with hands outstretched when there’s any profit to be made from “The poor artists” they are fucking over en masse in the name of profit.

I think going out of business for bad business practices is exactly what is needed for these industries. The artists will thrive, and the end users will rejoice for the reduced costs of their entertainment in virtually unlimited quantities once we can finally see the real culprits behind the dilemma put to the gallows.

“Artists do what they do for a living and deserve to get paid. I’m one of those creators and I kind of need to put food on the table and keep the lights on.”

Based on what I understand from your post, I presume that you agree that your ostensible self-prescribed deservedness stops at the door of using draconian measures against others to ensure that you get what you think you deserve, right?

Continue file-sharing if you think it is right, and give a 1-finger salute (and more if you think you have to) to those who mean to trample on your rights.

Why was the exec not arrested? Is he any less “guilty” than the others?

Why does he walk away with just a slap on the wrist, and the others get arrested?

Please enlighten us with your raisined opinion!

It’s not only that he wasinfringing copyright, it’s also that he was violating his company’s rules and policies. Even if they are the “greedy corporate bastards” you take them to be, that’s no excuse for somebody who’s legitimately inside their loop to betray them like that.

Same goes for any company or organization; if it were a pirate ratting his (or her?) group out, you wouldn’t be laughing so hard.

But, I’m a firm believer that if you do something on a major scale like these piracy groups do then you should be ready to do the time if you do the crime.

Just my thoughts

I’m not sure I agree with stuff being available b4 the official goes out though. I mean, I like to try it b4 watching but at least let it be released to the public b4 uploading it lmao

I wonder how many execs have illegal copies of software, music, tv shows on thier home networks. Who’s watching the watchers?

You see it’s not your work that you get paid for, it’s selling your music.

Getting paid for your work would be, for example, when performing live or something like that. Or funded beforehand (pledging system, for instance). Not selling endless “copies”.

Since it might be relevant to the folks on this thread, I also wanted to give a plug for a site Ive been working on that helps people share songs with their friends. http://www.myradeo.com Its free, easy and there’s no account signup. Login with Facebook. Hope you like it!

This whole operation reminds me of the hunt for Pablo Escobar

We aren’t the ones stealing from the artists, the likes of the RIAA, MPAA, etc. are. The artists collect but a minuscule portion of the “proceeds” they collect. I know because I have a cousin in the business and she complains all the time about how little she actually gets for her “hard work” as so many of you trolls put it. And she will be long dead before the “rights” revert back to her.

Screw you and your money thieving whore mongers!

The solution “buy stuff, instead of steal it” (@43) is therefor not a real solution.

My idea would be to have a sort of music tax that could pay the artists, and make music freely available to anyone.

Yes, it’s the past tense possessive pronoun of “Tiswas” ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiswas

yeah! this story has entered the popular today section on popurls.com…

but i have to agree w/ some here, pre-releases are not really needed for us…9 out of 10 times that`s what the maffia`s are looking for on BT, so just wait

look @ all of the peeps we`ve read @ who got caught grabbing a pre-release (or,in this case, distributing)

I guess the first uploader of any torrent should be safe as being “the source” will only get you fired if you work for the wrong company.

However it probably has something todo with (a sudden?) lack of evidence.

Leaks and pre-releases probably do nothing but hurt our cause.

“I suspect the one they released sang like a canary. That’s his prize.”

Yes, It’s the moment of truth now,
which reveals who is man and who isn’t.

Don’t feed this troll!

@tutame
Save your own a55 from Hell!
Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem!

The truth is, I’ve been leading several double lives for a long time.

But we won’t get into all that.

cause more free dloads = more sales

- they just do?