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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>/private-torrent-sites-overemphasize-share-ratios-according-to-bram-cohen/#comment-524868</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Private sites suck i download some torrents seed them for weeks no one hardly downloads from me so my ratio is low and they wont let me download anything untill my ratio goes up and its not going up when no one downloads, but that isnt what really annoys me as much as the private sites that constantly harrass you to &quot;donate&quot; ten dollars all the time claiming they need money to keep the site up, these people are just making money from the file sharing community funfile.org is one in particular i was a member they harrased me sometimes 2 or 3 times a week to send money to them these people are the real definition of leechers they are the vultures of the file sharing community i hope the RIAA takes them down and puts every one of them in prison  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Private sites suck i download some torrents seed them for weeks no one hardly downloads from me so my ratio is low and they wont let me download anything untill my ratio goes up and its not going up when no one downloads, but that isnt what really annoys me as much as the private sites that constantly harrass you to &quot;donate&quot; ten dollars all the time claiming they need money to keep the site up, these people are just making money from the file sharing community funfile.org is one in particular i was a member they harrased me sometimes 2 or 3 times a week to send money to them these people are the real definition of leechers they are the vultures of the file sharing community i hope the RIAA takes them down and puts every one of them in prison  </p>
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		<title>By: BlueFrog</title>
		<link>/private-torrent-sites-overemphasize-share-ratios-according-to-bram-cohen/#comment-268609</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BlueFrog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Listen up. This is the real situation. You download stuff that seeders are willing to share but not very many want to download. What happens is, even if you&#039;re willing seed what you have just downloaded, you end up waiting for nothing because nobody else wants that file at that very moment.

So how long do you have to wait then? A month? If you don&#039;t have a life then it would work. I can&#039;t leave my pc online forever just to get a good ratio.

Bram Cohen&#039;s suggestion may very well be the way to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen up. This is the real situation. You download stuff that seeders are willing to share but not very many want to download. What happens is, even if you&#8217;re willing seed what you have just downloaded, you end up waiting for nothing because nobody else wants that file at that very moment.</p>
<p>So how long do you have to wait then? A month? If you don&#8217;t have a life then it would work. I can&#8217;t leave my pc online forever just to get a good ratio.</p>
<p>Bram Cohen&#8217;s suggestion may very well be the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>/private-torrent-sites-overemphasize-share-ratios-according-to-bram-cohen/#comment-248510</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Xav</title>
		<link>/private-torrent-sites-overemphasize-share-ratios-according-to-bram-cohen/#comment-206222</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xav]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If your upload sucks, you shouldn&#039;t be downloading as much.  Most sites (even the ubernazis OINK) have a 2:1 ratio requirement, which is quite fair.

Furthermore, the ratio requiremnts have nothing to do with making downloading faster, they are there to keep torrents alive longer.

The bittorrent tit-for-tat protocol encourages fast downloads, but it has no encouragment to keep torrents seeded once they&#039;ve finished.

If it takes 6 months to get a 1:1 ratio, you can bet people are going to leave the torrent open that long.  Once you have many torrents seeding, it&#039;s easier to keep your ratio up, as statistically a few torrents will be uploading at all times.  This time-lag before your ratio approaches 1:1 is why sites have grace-periods for their ratio reqiurements.

People are rational beings.  They join private sites with ratio-requirements because thoes sites have better seeded torrents, which makes those sites more popular.  Indeed, by emphasising specifically download/upload ratio, economics dictates that people *will* upload more, via faster connections, leaving them open longer, and allocating bandwidth more aggressivly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your upload sucks, you shouldn&#8217;t be downloading as much.  Most sites (even the ubernazis OINK) have a 2:1 ratio requirement, which is quite fair.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the ratio requiremnts have nothing to do with making downloading faster, they are there to keep torrents alive longer.</p>
<p>The bittorrent tit-for-tat protocol encourages fast downloads, but it has no encouragment to keep torrents seeded once they&#8217;ve finished.</p>
<p>If it takes 6 months to get a 1:1 ratio, you can bet people are going to leave the torrent open that long.  Once you have many torrents seeding, it&#8217;s easier to keep your ratio up, as statistically a few torrents will be uploading at all times.  This time-lag before your ratio approaches 1:1 is why sites have grace-periods for their ratio reqiurements.</p>
<p>People are rational beings.  They join private sites with ratio-requirements because thoes sites have better seeded torrents, which makes those sites more popular.  Indeed, by emphasising specifically download/upload ratio, economics dictates that people *will* upload more, via faster connections, leaving them open longer, and allocating bandwidth more aggressivly.</p>
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		<title>By: Flopik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flopik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some trackers will don&#039;t allow you to download more than X torrents at the same time because of your poor ratio.. so you must wait until X is over and you can still got the torrents .. this is stupid, you keep it to minimum only for not getting kicked out.


Somes private trackers have group buys , they pay for some products that will be exclusive for them. Depending of your users class, you will need to wait X time until the torrent is available for you. The ratio will affect your class type to get materials more faster. Donor have free ratio download. For preventing the hit and run(new member enter and download all what he can until banned), they have also trusted / untrusted user , when someone is trusted , he can download exclusive stuff, for preventing a little bit more leaking and hit and run. This is not perfect , but i found this a good way to keep something you buy under control for a certain time. One day it will leak anyway. Problem is that people always want thing for free .. internet is a good way but sometime you need to make an effort on your side too to keep the quality and the community.

Now the problem is my ISP is turning off the unlimited access .. this will be hard to maintain a good ratio with this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some trackers will don&#8217;t allow you to download more than X torrents at the same time because of your poor ratio.. so you must wait until X is over and you can still got the torrents .. this is stupid, you keep it to minimum only for not getting kicked out.</p>
<p>Somes private trackers have group buys , they pay for some products that will be exclusive for them. Depending of your users class, you will need to wait X time until the torrent is available for you. The ratio will affect your class type to get materials more faster. Donor have free ratio download. For preventing the hit and run(new member enter and download all what he can until banned), they have also trusted / untrusted user , when someone is trusted , he can download exclusive stuff, for preventing a little bit more leaking and hit and run. This is not perfect , but i found this a good way to keep something you buy under control for a certain time. One day it will leak anyway. Problem is that people always want thing for free .. internet is a good way but sometime you need to make an effort on your side too to keep the quality and the community.</p>
<p>Now the problem is my ISP is turning off the unlimited access .. this will be hard to maintain a good ratio with this.</p>
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		<title>By: Tab</title>
		<link>/private-torrent-sites-overemphasize-share-ratios-according-to-bram-cohen/#comment-104756</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tab]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 17:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just curious...for private sites, if users shouldn&#039;t care about share ratios, what others incentives or bonuses can the site admins offer their users? Say for example, if members upload torrents or donate some money, what are some of the incentives they can be offered besides adding &quot;GB upload&quot; to help their ratios?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just curious&#8230;for private sites, if users shouldn&#8217;t care about share ratios, what others incentives or bonuses can the site admins offer their users? Say for example, if members upload torrents or donate some money, what are some of the incentives they can be offered besides adding &#8220;GB upload&#8221; to help their ratios?</p>
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		<title>By: xoxo</title>
		<link>/private-torrent-sites-overemphasize-share-ratios-according-to-bram-cohen/#comment-104181</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xoxo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 12:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand people complaining about ratio.  Most of you are downloading free sh*t... It&#039;s not some kind of democracy.  If you can&#039;t give back what you take, then don&#039;t take.  simple as that.  slow line? limited connection quota?  too bad.  It&#039;s not a charity case either.  Go to another site to leech, or go buy the content then.

Leecher purposely choking upload speed, regardless of public or private.  So the tit-for-tat is just worthless to reduce leeching. DON&#039;T BLAME THE PRIVATE SITES... In fact, if it weren&#039;t for cost of servers, I like the invite only method.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand people complaining about ratio.  Most of you are downloading free sh*t&#8230; It&#8217;s not some kind of democracy.  If you can&#8217;t give back what you take, then don&#8217;t take.  simple as that.  slow line? limited connection quota?  too bad.  It&#8217;s not a charity case either.  Go to another site to leech, or go buy the content then.</p>
<p>Leecher purposely choking upload speed, regardless of public or private.  So the tit-for-tat is just worthless to reduce leeching. DON&#8217;T BLAME THE PRIVATE SITES&#8230; In fact, if it weren&#8217;t for cost of servers, I like the invite only method.</p>
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		<title>By: Echy</title>
		<link>/private-torrent-sites-overemphasize-share-ratios-according-to-bram-cohen/#comment-100893</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Echy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 00:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Useless suggestion... 

The thing people needs to understand on private trackers is that its OK to have a ratio under 1. The minimum demand on private trackers is usually somewhere between 0,3-0,5 and there is no reason for people to panic if they have a ratio around 0,6. Som people have ratios above 1 and some have below, isnt harder than so.

If the ratio system is going to do any good it NEEDS to be a pure mathematical ratio (without freeleeching and bonuses) that shows how much people contribute to the site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Useless suggestion&#8230; </p>
<p>The thing people needs to understand on private trackers is that its OK to have a ratio under 1. The minimum demand on private trackers is usually somewhere between 0,3-0,5 and there is no reason for people to panic if they have a ratio around 0,6. Som people have ratios above 1 and some have below, isnt harder than so.</p>
<p>If the ratio system is going to do any good it NEEDS to be a pure mathematical ratio (without freeleeching and bonuses) that shows how much people contribute to the site.</p>
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		<title>By: Him</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Him]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 16:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a pile of poo. It helps the community survive. Its hard work sometimes, but always worth it in the end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a pile of poo. It helps the community survive. Its hard work sometimes, but always worth it in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Willy Wonka</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Willy Wonka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 16:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[quote]It&#039;s actually very easy to maintain 1:1 ratio on &quot;that music site we all like&quot; with normal usage of downloading what you want and then keep seeding as long as there are peers who want it.[/quote]

Fixed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]It&#8217;s actually very easy to maintain 1:1 ratio on &#8220;that music site we all like&#8221; with normal usage of downloading what you want and then keep seeding as long as there are peers who want it.[/quote]</p>
<p>Fixed.</p>
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