Cutting ties with record sellers and DIY selling should be the first move.

I went to the US these days and you can find several open wireless connections wherever you go. Even in the neighborhood I stayed, with people I know, I could find several unsecured spots. I mean, you can’t just go and disconnect a person because you saw the IP somewhere, there are several factors that make it impossible to prove whether it was that person downloading or not.

But as I said and the ISP above said, the problem could be solved by changing the way MAFIAA and merry friends act, by working together with the consumers they are currently attacking…

Well, they are idiots so they’ll only see their mistakes in the future, just like Nokia noticed years after they couldn’t use mass production models everywhere and got their butts kicked in the US ;D

There are so many problems with this.

1) You don’t need to upload anything to download things off Usenet/Direct Connect/HTTP sites/FTP servers/etc

Only torrents would be effected.

2) This can only be applied to residential users, as servers in datacenters upload a LOT more than they download.
If that’s the case, an easy way to get around your problem is to rent a seedbox for £5 a month, and let the server do all the torrenting. Once it’s downloaded to the seedbox, download it via http from your server and you’re done.

The real problem with trying to prosecute people who do naughty things on the internet is that:
a) An IP doesn’t relate to an individual or even an individual PC.

b) Why should I be responsible for the things that are sent to my IP address? I don’t own the internet, i don’t even own the cable in my house – the ISP owns it. I literally own nothing, but they want me to take all the responsibility? Get real.

Its fairly obvious that anyway the entertainment corporations or governments try to target the end-user pirate will fail and hit more innocents than anything else.

There is no viable option to target the end-user, just as there is no real viable option to target the hosts unless you break the law.

Personally, I live off of a 768kb connection, which is slow by todays standards, and I still pirate whatever I choose to. Mainly because I have no way to obtain said games, movies, or songs where I live. The only option is to buy it off some online store and have the CD/DVD shipped to me, which would most likely be damaged or something.

@62
That just amused me to no end. I thank you.

The point is that they do not know who is doing the downloading. Is it the account holder (presumed guilty) or someone else in the house, or someone next door hacking the WiFi, or a friend of their children who popped round after school ?

Perhaps its someone in Zagreb, Zurich or Zanzibar, or someone in Scunthorpe. Who is it ?

There is no effort made to find the criminal just a cheap shot at the BB owner.

There is already a process for this. Its called prosecution. If the music industry think they have enough evidence to prosecute then they can go ahead and take that person to court and prosecute. Unfortunately the “we have your IP address” evidence just doesn’t hold up in court.

The music & film industry has been heard to say that they don’t like taking people to court for downloading as its bad publicity yet they are perfectly prepared to let someone else do their dirty work and take the flak !

And the prize for missing the point goes to …

The problem is that if draconian measures such as this are brought in then the pirates will just hack other peoples WiFi and use that meaning that you may be the person with the nobbled broadband.

You may have the right of appeal but the onus would be on you to prove your are innocent.

As for moving to WPA2, this prevents you from using a lot of kit that doesn’t support WPA2 .. XBox 360, PSP, Nintendo DS, Laptops that are a few years old, alarm systems, surveillance systems, music streamers.

This is without even getting started on Zombie PC Networks (BotNets), if you get infected (and yes it can happen with Anti Virus installed) then you are responsible for whatever your PC is asked to do remotely. Again, guilty until you attempt to prove yourself innocent.

ISP’s can easily do this if it was enforced to any customer.

With no upload speed,torrenting would become so frustrating.

No prison,no fines,just no illegal files to share for the culprit.

Don’t even try to talk for everyone, you stupid b17ch from MAFIAA. They quality is low because all that media companies want is easy money.

I suggest you go and tell them that the age of easy money is over. Either they’ll start providing us something that’s worth our money and stop make us angry by trying to take away our basic freedoms or they’ll go the way of dinosaurs.

The latter is much more likely and you’ll sink with them.

They could havve EVERY tv ep, movie, and song /w ads in them, websites to show streaming p2p similar to Youtube where you can’t just right click and save (although smart ones would still save, rip, release).

Least they’d get their partial market on OUR bandwidth. I’d happily watch tv shows on the Internet or movies a day after release WITH ads providing it’s a good kwality movie.

If they are losing advertising money then it’s their fault in my eyes.

I mean, piracy? I pay 100/month for UNLIMITED Internet.

Sueing for non payment? I pay 1200 bucks/year. That’s GOTTA be 1200 songs @ 1 bucks each….

They want proof of payment, bring up the ISP bill and show the money invested in Internet Entertainment!

Since the ISP’s won’t share their cut they should add ads in their content so least they make money from that. I mean, Mininova does a better job then anything they ever put out…..and they’ve had YEARS to put SOMETHING, ANYTHING decent for the masses to consume.

Ignoring the millions of potential ad viewers is retarded on their part imho.

Blaming customers, SHAME on them.

Also I wonder how long before normal law obiding citizens from around the world start throwing rocks into the homes of these scum… I mean they ARE putting people into financial ruin. They start cutting Net access and they’ll get bored and want to do real life stuff… ;)

For fucks sake. Free information.
Why pay for the corporations continue to lead your country with useless DATAZ?

Wow sweeping generalizations much?

My wife does online backups of her important files (works from a home office) that easily takes up 40G a month. And since she works in advertising just sending all her files (large tiffs usually) eats up just as much again.

That’s just 1 person in the house. Add in my porn and the kids porn (who are we kidding right?) and we are easily nearing 200G a month before I download a single movie/tv show/album…

“Actually, the opposite. If you had to wait 10 hours for a movie to download you probably wouldn’t bother.”

Most of us wouldn’t even notice a 10 hour wait, I’m sure most large downloads are done either automatically or while the downloader is sleeping or out for the day.
I’ve been obtaining “things” via questionable means since the mid-80′s when we marvelled at the speed of our 2400baud modems and the fact that we could through circuitous means just about send emails around the world.

…trust me, I don’t mind waiting.

TPB has almost always been up and running. It’s pretty much question of accessing it through censor free pathways. ;)

I’m a Pirate and Proud of it…..

TalkTalk are shite ISP to be with. However they rise a very valid point that no other ISP have or are willing to do so kudos to them for that.

“Actually, HD streaming and other bandwidth-consuming stuff emerged after HDs started to be pirated – when AACS got cracked around 2007 and blu-rays started to be ripped. Average consumer who pays for HD stuffs in market – streaming, blu-ray, hd dvd and shit – is very likely to be actively engaging in “piracy”. And they’ll only pay for these High-Def bullshit if they can’t find it on one of those filesharing networks.”

I don’t have a Blu-Ray player, nor do I intend to go looking for one and installing it in my computer, yet I still want full HD movies, how else could I possibly watch a HD movie unless it’s available online?

“For movie and record companies, the method of distributing junks they’ve created won’t matter. as long as they have copyright they can sell anything in any medium they want, at a fixed price – you know what i mean.”

Yeah, they can go back to selling a CD for $24 each at Sanity (only place around that I can buy any form of metal music.) And you know what, they’ll still sell it, even if they no longer hold the copyright on the music. I wouldn’t even be willing to spend $10 on a 12 track CD. iTunes, which is the only online store I could purchase money from, sells tracks at $1.69 each, which equates to $20.28 for 12 songs. What kind of fucked up world are we in where music costs so much to buy? Plus we all know where most of the money goes to, Record Labels.

“Conclusion? shut the internet down. no more filesharing. wait, we can’t abolish filesharing. so while nerds are busy pirating over 56k, make an average joe pay for the plastic discs we’ve manufactured at almost zero cost.”

They’ll go back to the tried and tested method of giving it to their friends using physical distribution. For those who have such little quota for the month, ie all Australians, we will hardly be affected. I leave my computer running 24/7 when I’m on 8k and need to update the games I purchased on Steam, half of my games it is impossible to buy a physical copy of, such as Garrys Mod.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8305379.stm

I dont want to break the law, but if i want to watch the new LOST on the day of release…ive got no choice.
People will always do what people do, there seem to be alot of parallels to the “war on drugs”. Stop persecuting the people for being human, and give them real options.

/ BigSwede

Hopefully TF or somebody will inform us all whats up this time…

Grrrrrrrrr!

Thats pretty spooky – my mother does that in her spare time!

Please don’t forget to get your cake printer also.

http://www.deco.uk.com/

Here have some LoL

http://whatscookingamerica.net/PegW/MiscCakesPhotos/PirateCake.jpg

How the hell do they get food down a fiber?