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Record Labels Threaten the Open Internet, isoHunt Tells Court

In its case against 26 major record labels at British Columbia Supreme Court in Canada, BitTorrent index isoHunt has submitted a response to the copyright infringement allegations. The BitTorrent site argues that not only do they pose no threat to the music industry, it’s the copyright industry itself that’s threatening the freedom of expression of millions of people on the Internet.

isohuntIn 2010 a conglomerate of record labels – including the ‘Big Four’ of Sony, EMI, Warner and Universal – went after BitTorrent site isoHunt.

The site and its owner are accused of facilitating copyright infringement on a massive scale. Through the lawsuit the labels hope to shut down the isoHunt website while receiving over 4 million dollars in punitive damages to compensate for their claimed losses.

“The isoHunt Websites have been designed and are operated by the defendants with the sole purpose of profiting from rampant copyright infringement which defendants actively encourage, promote, authorize, induce, aid, abet, materially contribute to and commercially profit from,” the labels wrote in their complaint.

This week isoHunt’s Gary Fung filed a response to the accusations. Turning the tables Fung argues that it’s not isoHunt but the record labels that are the real threat. The labels are waging war on the Internet and trying to restrict basic human rights by trying to shut down file-sharing services, Fung says.

“In our latest response to CRIA filed in Court, we ask the Supreme Court of British Columbia to adjudicate this crucial issue of balance between the constitutional rights of people on the Internet to communicate, share and search, versus the rights of copyright industries to limit such rights in the corporate interest of protecting and extending copyright,” Fung tells TorrentFreak.

“isoHunt urges the court to examine this issue carefully, for the sake of innovations on the Internet, free exchange of culture, and fundamental constitutional freedoms.”

In the pleading isoHunt explains how BitTorrent works and notes that isoHunt’s role in the downloading process is relatively small.

The site positions itself as a neutral technology platform that merely indexes .torrent files stored across hundreds of websites on the Internet. As such, they are not promoting, authorizing or encouraging copyright infringement, they claim.

isoHunt argues that the record labels and other copyright industries are trying to systematically shut down these neutral file-sharing systems. Thereby, they breach basic human rights such as the right to freedom of expression.

“Freedom of expression on the Internet is under attack. From SOPA in the US, ACTA internationally, and C-11 in Canada, the same theme is apparent on the agenda of copyright industry groups: instead of dealing with actual copyright violators, they want to shut down technologies and internet services that they say will be used by violators,” Fung told TorrentFreak.

“It’s the same alarmist approach that goes back to the VCR and the radio. As the Internet emerges as the de-facto medium of communication, sharing and expression, the control over distribution by copyright industries is threatened. In turn, the constitutional freedom of expression of Canadians and all participants on the Internet is threatened.”

With this case in Canada and the US case against the MPAA, isoHunt is at the forefront of the legal censorship debate in Northern America. Both cases are crucial for the future of file-sharing related services and are expected to set an important precedent.

Fung is determined to take the cases as far as possible to defend people’s rights and the open Internet, a battle that is expected to last for years.

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  • Law Guy

    They do have a point.

    When you weigh copyright enforcement against freedom, you should find that freedom weighs heavier.

    • Anyone

      european courts have argued that way
      sadly the lower national courts and the lawmakers ignore the european court.

      • Larry_pinell

        Today the UK supreme court has upheld a law that forces major ISPs to block Pirate Bay. The ISPs say they will comply.

        • Anon

          Virgin is already blocking TPB (not that it’s hard to get around, but hey) as of Friday afternoon. The rest I think are going to follow very soon.

        • Anon

           It was the High Court, not the Supreme Court

      • Anonymous

         Where money’s involved, no one listens. In the end, everyone will have access, but concerts will cost a hell of a lot to go to. Small price to pay, though.

        • guest

          As long as there are “boot-leggers” in the concert business risking to make their own small profits off of the successfully famous …concert revenue will shrink and decrease. 

    • Emily

      “Fung is determined to take the cases as far as possible to defend people’s rights and the open Internet, a battle that is expected to last for years.”

      nah, he just bent over like tpb did with the model torrents and deleted them all, same as iso hunt got in with Andrew Como and installed a cp filter. If he is so for open internet, and being that cp is legal in most countries (look it up), I find his and tpb’s sayings false as how can they remove one when claiming to be open internet? I mean if I search for some video on a real p2p client, I don’t get “filtered results”. just saying….

      • Emily

        http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100701/01232010037.shtml

        This one is a bit odd and unexpected. We recently reported on how grandstanding New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo had kicked off a new project that would create a database of child porn, and offer up hashes to any website that wanted to use it to block such content from being uploaded. While the general concept seemed good, it wasn’t clear how this database was being generated, or if there were safeguards in place to make sure that the list really only included illegal images. Either way, it appears that Cuomo has welcomed with open arms a surprising company who wants to use the database: IsoHunt. Yes, the torrent search engine in the midst of a legal battle for its survival has agreed to use the hash database to prevent access to such images via its system.

      • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

        Seriously? Grow up little girl.

        Isohunt didn’t bend over to any damn body. They are doing their damnedest to stay alive and relevant. They have no choice but to eat shit and stay in the game. If he had shut down he would have nothing to argue now.

        You sit on your ass at home bitching about filtered results? What the hell are you doing? You think seeding a few things makes you some kind of fucking hero? Ohhh I know!! You hop on the LOIC and play with the script kiddies and feel all Guy Fawkes, so you know all about being brave and standing up to “the man”.

        Gary Fung has put his money and his ass on the line. Until you have something other than half an ass and a sense of entitlement maybe you should shut the hell up and support the folks standing up to this bullshit who aren’t hiding behind shit or using shady tactics.

        (Not that I can say I disapprove of hiding behind shit or shady tactics, but it is most certainly not the honorable method that will give the “sharing” argument any legitimacy)

        So here’s an idea, why don’t you put up, or shut the fuck up criticizing those doing what you are too cowardly to do mmk? When you can do more, when you risk half of what Gary has then you can talk about bending over.

        100% support and appreciate everything Gary Fung has done, tried to do and aims to do. Every hit isohunt has taken, and there have been many, they have gotten the hell back up and kept at it. All these other little bitch operators have bailed before they even found themselves a target. btjunkie for example… personal risk vs fighting for the cause… they said Audi 5000. I understand that, because some just won’t risk it all. Gary Fung has stayed in the damn game and quite frankly he has earned some fucking respect.

        • Mwhahaha

          I don’t get the hatred here. Altho I’m not sure if Emily is saying isohunt are against freedom due to blocking child porn. If so then that’s kinda weird. Like saying it’s ok to go and buy a fully working tank and landmines cos it’s within your freedom of expression.
          Tho in america… who knows.

      • Desu75

        Pedo. gb2tor

      • Danny

        Why do you bloody perverts always try and bring the discussion down to your level. Exploiting children is wrong and is illegal in any sane country.

        • Abc

          Some people seem to think that someone who allegedly uploads so-called “child porn” is actually making the pictures, that is kidnapping some kid and forcing her to participate in a photo shoot that is actually a rape. But it would seem that these pictures are existing images that get copied over and over, year after decade long after any crime against a living person has been largely forgotten. These are two different crimes and they are of different magnitudes. And to say that posting a picture is like raping the kid all over again is nonsense. Does anybody propose to forbid pictures of hurricanes or train wrecks because doing so equates with experiencing the tragedy all over again? Will we kill Whitney again every time we look at a news clip of her funeral? Further, shouldn’t we be more concerned for kids who are terrorized in non-sexual ways? Religious nuts exorcising kids, sometimes to death, seems more horrible to me.

        • Rickards

          @Abc

          You clearly missed the point.

          Yes of course in some cases the damage has already been done, and the images live on, but that is not the reason for censoring this sort of content. certainly it is politically motivated, but it is also an ethical issue that goes beyond, “these children have not been harmed in 10 years since this photo has been taken”; it is the mere proliferation/propagation of these files that is the issue here, and their resulting demand by individuals with this sort of fetish — individuals who MAY not act on impulse to provide new content, but support its creation. and in many cases, demand more.

        • http://twitter.com/mariojc_1979 mario

          esse mwhahaha, é um maluco, falando disso aki, ta maluco, a comp-aracao totalmente infeliz desse infeliz, t interna

      • Rusgusy

        it is still up to them to choose what content to host on their website, being a private organisation.

        • Anonymous

          They are NOT hosting ANY content. All they are hosting is .torrent files which are POINTERS to where the content can be found (ie: The computers of those who are running bittorrent clients who have one or more pieces of the content files).

        • Anonymous

          @rarpsl

          You’re just splitting hairs, you know exactly what he meant. Don’t be purposefully obtuse, it doesn’t help at all.

        • Cwaretiger

          well they don’t even host the torrent files, they just provide links to the torrent download on other sites

    • Chronoss2008

      n remember copyright is granted by me the citizen…want to screw withthe people does hollywood?

    • Anonymous

       Not anymore…

  • Anyone

    I’m sure the verdict is already paid for
    guess it is time to join the TPB crew somewhere in Asia

    there is no justice unless you can bribe enough of the “right” people

    • Anonymous

      At least, someone is standing up somewhere. ISOHunt….we stand with you

      PROUD!

      • http://rct.me.ht/ crashsuit

        The day he wins his case will thereafter be known as St. Fung’s Day.

        • Mwhahaha

          I like it! How will we celebrate St Fung’s day?

        • Anon

          Like all Canadians celebrate of course,
          Massive amounts of Beer!

        • Camilo

          I’d celebrate that making a huge meal and if possible inviting friends :)

    • Anonymous

      One can’t keep on bribing forever. Imagine the absurd amout of money it must take to bribe an entire court, repeatedly, for years and years, without a real established ending date… and that goes just for isohunt’s case… how hard is it to store torrents and open your own isohunt?

      • Jibbrjabbr

        lol wut

    • Mwhahaha

      I’m one of the right people, honest. Gimme cash!

  • foff

    I like this but it is hard to get the courts to do the right thing. They invent law for political and monetary gain. The best way to resolve the issue is to do an end around and demand that our lawmakers change the ridiculous copyright laws.

  • lulz

    lawmakers and government officials (including barrack obama who has hidden his agenda for censoring the internet, although he supports the internet supposedly. He has attempted to have several people who committed “infringement” extradited from europe and asia to the us by the fbi to bring them to “justice”.) are complete and utter pay-offs, all of whom are paid off by big business and big media.

    • whomiz

      i agree. it not about a peaceful US democracy. it about us imperialism trying to control the world. people in America need to wake up.

      • 2e4t_

        Quite a few of them are, but that doesn’t mean they can do anything about it. They can vote, but that’s utterly meaningless as all candidates are pre-selected by Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, etc (read their campaign donor lists). They can perhaps elect Ron Paul, in which I guarantee you he’ll suddenly have some age-related health issue. They can call their CONgressmen and bitch, but that’s meaningless, as was discovered by the 400+ people who called/faxed/e-mailed against TARP for every 1 who was in favor of it. They can march and demonstrate, which merely creates a nice big target for the storm troopers with their tazer guns, tear gas grenades, and water cannons. They can simply up and leave, for now, if they can afford it. That’s about the only sane solution left that I see. Sadly, I have never heard of tyranny ending by legal means.

      • Mwhahaha

        They need to shut up, not sure about anything else ;)

      • Anonymous

        You need to wake up if you think the US is the only country actively trying to censor the internet for wealthy corporations. Your own officials in your country (as long as its a western country) is doing the same thing. You need to elect officials who don’t cater to the US’s every whim. Politicians in countries like the UK will usually listen to what the US tells them to do. The US isn’t the only corrupt nation trying to defend a now-useless business model of the entertainment industry.

    • Chuck

      NEWS FLASH! The guy is from CHICAGO! THE MOST CORRUPT POLITICAL SYSTEM IN THE USA!

      • lulz

        of course, and for some reason people refuse to believe he’s corrupt, an they assume he’s on our side…

        • Anyone

          he is a good speaker

  • http://twitter.com/Wasson_C Wasson_C

    Unfortunately isoHunt will have to fill some pockets with money to be heard by corrupt politicians. But at least we heard it and will vote in all elections accordingly from now on.

  • Anonymous

    getting control of the internet, being able to monitor every website visited by every person, being able to read every e-mail sent and received including with mobile phones, is the agenda of the US government and many others. not having control is highest on their ‘things to do list’. trampling on human rights isn’t even considered.

    with this and the Mega case going on, how long is it going to be before the people realise that the so-called ‘free world’ is just a step away from dictatorship? and all orchestrated by a fucking music/movie studio. unbelievable!

    best of luck to both, but like others, i fear the verdict is already a foregone conclusion!

    • Anonymous

      Oh, good luck controlling the mass we call internet, US gov. ! Hope that goes well… Not like anyone can start up his own hotspot or there is no way of encripting shit… there is absolutely nothing like that…

      • MadocComadrin

        Hot spots still need an ISP to connect them to the backbone…

  • Argarcia1986

    how can they even notice 4 million dollars out of the trillions they have…

  • Kode

    one word is enogh for this shit BOYCOTT and they all will fail ! Black March is comming ;)

    • Anonymous

      I really don’t think Black march is going to do what its supposed to do. Even if enough people stop buying movies to have an impact on their profits, they’ll just whine and complain and blame it all on piracy and go “See? Look whats happening! We need new laws now!”

    • Wyrm

      I basically agree with a few additions:
      - Boycott does NOT mean “don’t buy, just download”. It means “don’t buy, don’t download” otherwise you’ll just give them tools to plead for more copyright laws. Even if WE know that one download doesn’t equal to one missed sale, that’s what they’ll argue, and we know politicians will listen to them.
      - Boycotting is not enough, we have to actually make it clear to politicians (both through calls to them and through votes) that copyright has to be reviewed, preferably from scratch though we could settle for more flexibility. (For example, “fair use” should not cost millions to defend in courts on a case by case basis. Right holders shouldn’t even have a basis to threaten people over a few lines/seconds excerpt from a text, audio or video file.) Up until now, copyright holders eroded our fundamental rights to fortify their copyright dictatorship; let us now erode their not-so-fundamental rights by asking lawmakers to restore balance.

    • Guest

      Meh. I want mass effect 3.

      • Mwhahaha

        And porn, don’t forget porn.

        • i3o6

          yeah, cuz we can’t find free porn on the internet – impossible!

        • guess who?

          ‘”…AND MASS DESTRUCTION WEAPONRY, THE MAKING OF PIPE BOMBS, HISTORICAL LANDMARK LOCATIONS BECAUSE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION MADE AVAILABLE TO TERRORIST WHO ALSO USE THE INTERNET TO COMMIT THE DESECRATION OF LIFE EXISTENCE SHOULD BE EVERYBODY’S FREEDOM OF CHOICE ALL OVER THE WORLD…RIGHT???? I-MEAN, SERIOUSLY…WHAT RIGHT DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE TO PROTECT IT’S CITIZENS FROM NARCISSIST SPREADING COMPUTER VIRUSES, PLOTTING MURDER: 9/11, EXPLOITING SOCIAL MEDIA SITES LIKE: FBK, TWITTER, AND ALL THESE TORRENT SITES THAT PROVIDE LINKS TO PERSONAL PC’s STORING ILLEGAL INFORMATION (ALL OVER THE WORLD) THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN EXPLOIT AND TURN INTO A WEAPON AGAINST VIOLATORS WHO ARE SHARING LIFE-THREATENING COPYRIGHT INFORMATION MADE AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WITHOUT THE LEGAL OWNER’S KNOWLEDGE AND/OR CONSENT TO DO SO PROMOTING THE MASS DESTRUCTION OF SURVIVAL ALL OVER THE WORLD THROUGH WEB SITES WHO THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE THE FREEDOM TO SHARE DEATH, AS WELL!!!!!! IT’S ALMOST LIKE PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE US GOVERNMENT DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO HOLD THE GERMANS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HOLOCAUST COMMITTED AGAINST INNOCENT JEWS WHO DID NOT DESERVE THE SLAUGHTER THEY SUFFERED AFTER THEY WERE INVADED…RIGHT???? BUT IF THE JEWS HAD COMPUTERS BACK IN THE 1940s THEY COULD HAVE PREVENTED THEIR FATE THAT ALSO HAPPEN TO THOSE INNOCENT LIVES LOST ON 9/’11 WHERE O’ SAMA BIN LADEN HAD ACCESS TO PLANE FLIGHT INFORMATION BECAUSE SOME MANIAC W/ COMPUTER ACCESS DECIDED TO SHARE ENDANGERING LIFE INFORMATION WITH A NARROW-MINDED NARCISSIST WHO FORCED LIFE TO BE ACCORDING TO A DISTORTED DIS-FUNCTIONAL MENTAL PERCEPTION MUCH LIKE HORRIBLE FIGURES COMPARED TO JIM JONES, HITLER, E’ DI AH-MEEN, AND SAD’DOM HUSSAINE…RIGHT??? HOW DARE THE GOVERNMENT PROTECT ME FROM PEOPLE LIKE THIS!!!!!” GOD BLESS AMERICA…HAS HE EVER STOPPED? 

    • Mwhahaha

      Still sounds like an anti-racism thing.

  • 0RacKL

    This response isn’t about music sharing, but it’s directly related to internet file sharing. I spent $15 to buy an ebook — for my own personal interest as well as for educational purposes. I also had to download an application called Calibre to open and view the text. I sent the ebook to one of my foreign online students because I wanted her to read a chapter. After downloading Calibre she tried to open the ebook file but got what was, I imagine, a pop-up window telling her that she couldn’t read the ebook unless she bought a copy herself. Clearly, the publisher of this ebook didn’t intend to permit that evil thing called file sharing — not even for educational purposes. Now, what’s interesting about this little event is that I can go to a nearby bookstore, buy the damn book and send it to my student via post, no problem. Unless, of course, it has, or will, become illegal to share a textual hard copy that you actually paid for, or to give one as a gift, so that Big Brother gets his almighty nickel. I find this whole situation truly pathetic. On a side note, after a recent visit to Amazon I saw that one of my favorite movies — from the nineties — is now selling for about $75 — and it’s not even Bluray. Is it any wonder that there is so much internet piracy? The MAFIAA needs to be brought to its knees so that it will at least see the wisdom of negotiating better terms.

    • Kevin

      This becomes a fundamental issue of “text” vs. “hyperlink”.
      A printed paper book is clearly “text” (and maybe some pictures).
      The Internet relies on “hyperlinks” that redirects a user browser to a source.

      Hyperlinks have been attacked for decades. A site that contains “links” can and has been attacked by law enforcement for illegal activity. Posting a link to a torrent file here at TF may well constitute an act considered illegal by law enforcement.

      But posting text online, OTOH, may well be protected by free speech (just as paper books).

      A paper book containing the phrase: “85164acfeade06ccefb0aa96c955e74ff818b31a” is free speech.

      The question then becomes is this text only free speech when printed on paper?

      BTW, e-book, Ghost in the Wires by Kevin Mitnick.
      85164acfeade06ccefb0aa96c955e74ff818b31a

      I wonder if this pisses Kevin off?

      • Mwhahaha

        Comeback Q, out of interest, and playing devil’s advocate. I have no idea.

        Is it illegal to write down how to commit a specific crime on paper?

        • Danny

          No, think of all the books on murderers that basically spell out how to commit a murder without leaving DNA evidence.

          But sharing is caring not a crime!

        • MadocComadrin

          Yes it is illegal if they can prove you intended to commit or help someone commit a crime. This is why you see disclaimers and such on websites and texts for subjects such as lockpicking.

      • MadocComadrin

        The WORLD WIDE WEB relies on hyperlinks. The internet itself can use any application level protocol you want.

    • Anonymous

      MAFIAA people are not dumb. The sad thruth is: they know exactly what they are doing, they are just trying to hammer their way in for as long as they can. The moment that changing to another business model becomes less stressful than fighting internet piracy is the moment we will be free from these stupid legislations

    • Mwhahaha

      This is why i’m really really against ebooks and their readers. Not only are places locking down books that you can lend to people (which they then may like enough to buy a copy) they’re also charging people to download out of copyright data which is freely available elsewhere.

      Amazon will kill the book industry by opening it up to pirates this way and then there will be no authors left. Authors have *no* other revenue avenues other than their writing, unlike musicians (gigging) films (product placement, advertising). This is without even mentioning amazon’s insane profit margins for incorporeal books. How many times is the ebook more expensive than the hardback? Who can agree with that shit?

      So, do you really wanna ever read:
      “Then Miss Bennett declared that this new Tab Cola was simply the very best drink she’d ever tried, and all at Pemberly ought to indulge in some, regardless of Mr Darcy’s disdain for the fizzy pop!”

      Oh also, no new educational texts, ever, except ones provided by private interest groups.

      The death of education & knowledge precedes the death of society.

      Amazon are killing the world.

    • F.U.B.A.R

      this is one of the most intelligent arguements on this subject i have read also would like to point out record labels like sony/bmg/universal etc. movie companies like fox etc. and game developers like capcom are guilty i believe of not “false” advertising but surely the terms “hidden” “secret” “misleading” and “exploitive” come to mind. A few examples how many people have bought a cd of thier favourite band/singer only to find a “digipak’ or so called “special” edition with an extra 4 or 5 “unreleased” songs on it like 2-3 months later [THAT'S LIKE $25-30 FOR EACH WHERE I'M FROM] [AUSTRALIA] and if you want it legit then u buy it twice “not once” also movies we get “standard” edition, then “unrated” edition, then “director’s cut” then sometimes “deluxe” or “ultimate” editions [IF YOU BUY A BLU-RAY NEW OVER HERE IT'S LIKE $35-40] and games [probably the worst] you rent game for a week to check it out and find out a friend also rented it for a week,okay some come with 3 day online trails, but seriously $15 just to be able to play online is outright exploitive and ridiculous [unless you buy it then it's "usually" included],then you get the dlc which you usually don’t know exactly when is coming out pay heaps for and find out it’s already included on the disc [i'm refering to CAPCOM and STREET FIGHTER x TEKKEN] i would rather wait longer for complete sets then buy multiple times or pay a small fortune. To break my arguement down it would be good “SHOULD BE LAW” that every form of “entertainment” medium be required to state on back cover whether or not there will be a special/extra/complete/add-on [games] edition, the expected release date, extra content “IN DETAIL” and the price. At least then you can make a knowledgeable decision as to whether or not you want to be impatient and buy right away when it’s released “and possibly have to pay twice” or wait for the extra/special/complete edition.I BELIEVE THAT IS A FAIR ARGUEMENT 

  • Byte Master

    The problem with some judges is that they don’t judge on the merits before them. They look at the practical implications. What’s going to happen if I rule this way? What if I rule that way? Once they conclude they have to go one way instead of the other, they THEN start to build a case that culminates in that option being the “best” and make it look like that is how they reached it.

    Meanwhile, what “we” need to do is continue to raise awareness (free) and if you like, support groups that advocate copyright reform financially. It’s up to you to decide who you want to support, but do research them properly.

    There are also other things you can do, like create “TV (info)commercials” and then try to crowdsource the funds to get them aired. Radio is a possibility too, and is way cheaper: “In a world where corporate entities decide in boardroom meetings what can be posted on the Internet, freedom is silenced. etc. etc.”

    • Sam

      I like your ideas, play the same game as the labels. Inform the public of what’s going on, how they are hurting culture, freedom and innovation.
      The only reason they’ve gotten away with everything so far is because they informed everyone, the public and the governments very loudly.

      • Andycapp

         I would not mind a short advertisement in any movie I legally download, explaining that sharing is caring, and i am sure 99% of people who share legally with others would be fine with it as long as it gives the RIAA some of it’s well deserved payback.  Good idea this

  • guest

    way to go, kick their ass;)

  • Guest

    Judges don’t like to be seen as wrong they know the ©Industry will keep on going until they win so just rule for them by default. Hopefully the judge in this case isn’t like the others.

  • RIAAtarded

    Justice is suppose to be blind… pray to god it isn’t deaf and dumb as well.

  • Anonymous

    I think its about time someone take these greedy record labels out at the knees.
    Gone-Anon.tk

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  • True North

    hmmmmm wonder what happend to all the “tax money” that was added to blank CD`s and DVD`s to help compensate artists for the copying of their works here in canada?
    Bet not 1 looney or tooney went to the artists…..
    hell, now the govt of canada wants to put an added tax on iPod downloads……
    i can really see in the not so distant future us “pirates” going back underground from whence we came after the governments of the world do end up shutting down ALL cyberlockers,torrent sites,and indexing sites.I for 1 would`nt mind going back to the BBS or a system like it, it was all like “cloak and dagger” and the REAL rush of getting something for nothing.
    Bill C-11 needs serious addmentents
    Bill C-30 needs to be scrapped COMPLETELY!!

    Further reading:

    http://www.cimamusic.ca/Storage/48/4025_C-11_Copyright_Act_CIMA_FINAL_Oct2011.pdf

    • Anonymous

      Taxing iPod downloads? You mean like, legal ones? From iTunes?

      • Jmorse43508

        That would be double taxation. In the US at least, you have to pay sales taxes on iTunes downloads. I have no doubt there is also a VAT for those countries where it is applicable.

      • True North

        my mistake its an EXTRA TAX ON IPODS THEMSELVES!
        oops caploc.
        Excerpt from The Gauntlet : A proposed “iPod tax” presented to Parliament Hill last March has consumers wondering about the future of copyright law in Canada. NDP MP Charlie Angus presented a Private Member’s Bill that proposed a levy on devices including iPods, MP3 players and smart phones. The fee, which could be up to $75 per device purchased, would be an extension of existing taxes on blank audio recording media like CDs and audio cassettes ­– the first of which passed in 1997. The iPod tax is only one part of a larger discussion around Canada’s copyright laws, which includes Bill C-32, the copyright reform bill, introduced by the Conservative government last June.

        • Danny

          Up $75??

          Those guys are nuts. I hope the Canadians stand up to that shit!

  • jack murdock

    So lets try and confused them with long, technical explanations, huh?

    “Our site cant monitor the torrent files so that effectively absolves us of all liability”
    Isohunt is full of copyrighted shit. It’s everywhere. It’s blatantly obvious. Any movie, music, whatever you search for is available in spades. Playing dumb doesn’t count as an excuse.

    They made no effort to restrict the availability of copyrighted torrents. This guy created one of the biggest interenet search engines and now he’s telling us he can’t create a simple filtering system?

    “our site doesn’t host any copyrighted material”
    This is one of the oldest excuses in the book. I remember it from the early days of bittorrent. Clicking on the torrent still begins the download just like an http download or something. In effect, a torrent file or magnet link has the same effect that a regular link does. It triggers a download. Where the files is hosted amounts to nothing more than semantics. If anything, bittorrents decentralized nature makes it even easier since there is no waiting to download the file and people who want the latest and greatest without paying for it can get max download speeds.

    In fact, the court already ruled on this particular issue a few years ago when isohunt tried to argue that a torrent download is a different than a “regular” download.

    • Anyone

      so is google
      your point?

      isohunt is a neutral service, you can upload to it whatever you want.
      how is it isohunt’s fault that many people want to upload copyrighted stuff?

    • FreeSpeech

      “Isohunt is full of copyrighted shit” … THIS IS FALSE!

      Isohunt is full of hash ids and user comments and posts.

      A text string of numbers and letters is not “copyrighted shit”

      “cece42a9aecd669bec0f3799cea49caead38becd” is free speech

      GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

      • Mwhahaha

        “Isohunt is full of copyrighted shit” … THIS IS FALSE!

        It’s full of really good copyrighted stuff, and only some that’s shit.

        • URNIDIOT
      • Anon

        I think this Murdock troller is fake. Read carefully the last 2 paragraph… interesting

        • Danny

          The original jackoff had his discuss linked to his facebook whereas this guy does not.

        • Uv

          Sounds like he’s talking about the usefulness of torrent… with some great detail lol

    • http://www.facebook.com/ValhallaLegend Andrew Lee

      Copyrighted files will be abused to the end of time. It does not matter if there is a isohunt tpb or whatever else.
      It’s just the way it is and people do not deserve to lose their rights over a few greedy fucks worried about if they’re going to make 71.9 million dollars instead of 72 million.
      You know there was file sharing on many other platforms before torrents. Torrents = dead if that ever happened it will mean nothing. In the future torrents will be outdated there will be better ways to share shit. It might not be thought of yet as torrents was not thought of either at one point.
      If some of the people do use X service just for copyrighted shit that’s their bad. Not the hosts but people downloading and uploading.
      I mean shit lets just blame Smith & Wesson for the majority of gun deaths and give them the chair. In your ways of thinking it’s their fault so they must pay because we all know they’re only making guns for murderers and serial killers ect.

    • Trigger

      “In effect, a torrent file or magnet link has the same effect that a regular link does. It triggers a download.”

      OMG! I just typed “cece42a9aecd669bec0f3799cea49caead38becd” !!!

      I JUST TRIGGERED A DOWNLOAD!

    • Danny

      Jack you repeatedly fail at life.

      “The site doesn’t contain copyrighted material” is not and excuse its a fact.

      A torrent file simply contains a tracker location and file hashes so no copyrighted material at all. And yes they are a search engine, they don’t upload any of the files but simply index them, you can use google in the same way.

      The actual download is carried out by the user and the “infringement” by the swarm, isohunt have no control over that.

    • Anonymous

      if creating a filtering system was so easy, why hasn’t it been done successfully already then? come to think of it, why haven’t you done it? you seem to be ”one of the slaves of the industry’ that thinks it’s so easy a task!

  • http://www.twitter.com/echoman74 echoman

    We should all go after the record labels causing trouble and tell them get the fuck off the Internet.

  • Alyssa Blindy

    I like the defense, but I don’t think it will go over in court.

    • Defense

      It’s the only defense that matters.

      In court, take a piece of paper and write …
      cece42a9aecd669bec0f3799cea49caead38becd

      Hand it to the Judge and ask if this is a crime.

      This is the fundamental question the court needs to decide.

      • Speak

        Maybe speaking the letters and numbers (in this particular order) is a crime too!

        cece42a9aecd669bec0f3799cea49caead38becd

      • Mwhahaha

        Surely it’s context relevant tho. Not wanting iso to be found guilty, but would be interested in the wider legal framework on this.

        • Hitler

          You mean context like … Mein Kampf (the e-book)

          43eddea923d9481738bd8f82cd7338fcf207bc8b

          or Mein Kampf (the 2009 DVD RIP)

          2e87953612b599166b0e1bbd351a0a95a48ebaf1

          or maybe some arbitrary context you decide?

          WHERE IS THIS LINE IN THE SAND?
          WHEN DOES FREE SPEECH END AND “CONTEXT” BEGIN?

  • John

    These guys are heroes, bless them. Freedom needs more allies in these dark times.

  • Toby

    Besides showing a fair bit of man love to Fung, that last statement is tripe:

    “Fung is determined to take the cases as far as possible to defend people’s rights and the open Internet, a battle that is expected to last for years.”

    He is determined to take it all the way because the advertising revenue is his income. He’s not doing it for us, he’s doing it because at the end of the day – he is making a fortune – and if he loses it, he will be nothing but a player in the annals of time.

    • voon

      shut up fag

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

        Congratulations voon. Without meaning to, you have encapsulated the whole free speech/copyright argument in three words.
        I don’t like Toby’s post either, but he has the same right to free speech as you do. If you want to disagree with him, put forward your arguments – not a mindless jibe.
        You’ve also mimicked the MAFIAA by stating as fact an unsubstantiated opinion that Toby is a fag.

    • quimbylips

      Discrediting the character or motivations of the person does not discredit the argument the person makes.  By your logic anyone arrested should not get a trial because they are only making a defense so they won’t have to go to jail – clearly self-serving.

      If you have an argument against Fung’s reasoning, please share.  

  • Flex

    going after all the othert sites and go after the big ones later makes it easyer to shut them down just have to find other ways to get round it wont ever stop me sharing greedy cunts

  • Flex

    going after all the othert sites and go after the big ones later makes it easyer to shut them down just have to find other ways to get round it wont ever stop me sharing greedy cunts

  • Flyer

    What is next things labels will do? Sue google or any other search engine for same reason, so called promoting of copyright infringement , just because they are indexing sites and give ppl essential ability to search? I’d like to this happen and laught about it

    • FBI RATS

      Google had plenty of chances to stand up for others but they were only interested in money. Hope they do sue google… sellouts

  • FBI RATS

    SUE GOOGLE AND YOUTUBE!!! you dumb industry f**ks. Not torrent sites. Google and Youtube are your enemys, they are taking over. Fuck Sony, Warner and Universal, theyre all the samething. Fuck google and youtube. Respect to Gary of ISO Hunt.

    • Mwhahaha

      Why don’t we all pirate from youtube for Black March and see if we can get them sued?

    • Desu75

      They won’t sue Youtube because Youtube gave the MAFIAA the ability to take down any video they want and gave them a music detection tool. Now they take down videos for a few seconds of audio, remixes, mashups, and black mark those accounts and some getting banned for no good reason.

  • Anonymous
    • Mwhahaha

      oh FUCK OFF with your bullshit random unidentified links.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/breezeless Ehn Keh

    I agree: a hash is just a set of alphanumerical code. Hand that to the judge

    Fuck, these freaks will start suing all search providers

    Oh well, I kinda miss the days when downloading wasn’t so mainstream (RIP DC)

    • Search

      Funny. A Google search of a hash ID never returns a usenet result

      • Desu75

        has it ever? A binary service costs money.

      • Danny

        Different hash functions?

    • Desu75

      Hand hash to a judge and you go to jail :D

  • http://twitter.com/#!/david_frankk David Frankk

    Well said ISOHunt. It is actually the copyright laws which are demeaning the society as a whole.

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  • Desu75

    Fung is one of the few people to have stood up to the MAFIAA directly. I commend him for the courage to do that and the costs of time and money he is paying to do it.

  • Caladol1

    Respect to Fung !!!

    I myself would like to make it my job to contribute more actively to sharing.
    People that are on the spot lite should fight for our common right’s.

    And dam you the ones that think otherwise, or think is wrong to make some money from it!

    I don’t think anyone that is on this type of Business only cares about money!

    Sharing is caring!
    and
    Copying Is Not Theftt
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

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  • RAWR!

    I wonder how much it would cost to launch a seed box into space….I bet the MAFIAA would pay to have it destroyed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thelaughingman-Fucu/100003543616471 Thelaughingman Fucu

    Stephen Harper, Rob Nicholson, John Baird, Jim Flaherty, Diane Finley, Peter MacKay, Tom Lukiwski and Vic Toews, along with the rest of the Conservatives are liars, cheats and thieves! Bill-C10 threatens to throw many in jail longer and needlessly! Bill C-11 would strip Canadians of even more rights to what we already own and censor our flow of information! Bill-30 will strip us of our privacy! Now lets not forget the G20 fiasco, Vic Toews immortal speech about Canadians being pedophiles, the planned pension cuts, they place gag orders on those they appoint to various studies so that if the studies turn up data contradicting their ideals, they can suppress the data, or their election fraud, and now they can’t even get our budget out on time!
    The fascist Conservatives would turn our country into an Orwellian nightmare! How can they even call themselves a legitimate government?! How dare they act like they have our best interests in mind! Who do they think they are telling us what we need and how to live our lives?! They’re the middle management and we’re the ones who hired them! We should be telling them what we want and how we want it!
    Canada needs to rise up march on Ottawa and occupy the parliament! We need to take back our country, remove the Conservatives from power! Our government, as a whole needs to be dismantled and rebuilt (that goes for those other parties as well. I’m looking at you Liberals and NDP. Fat load of good they’ve ever done for the country)! All our political parties have ever really done to us has been to divide Canadians. This only serves to make us easy prey for predators in the night! I say no more! Canadians need to stand up as one, divided by zero! Those that would appose the will of the people need to be taught a lesson, followed by some good old fashion tarring and feathering, finish with banishing traitors from Canada! Finally Canadians need some laws that allow us to force referendums on the government and punish corrupt politicians who think they can screw with their people, their employers, you and me! Fellow Canadians I implore you raise up and shout out your discontent for the horrible state of our country and the world for that matter. Shout from every mountain top (email, letters, phone calls, blogs, forums, twitter, youtube, ect…), “WE WILL NOT STAND FOR CORRUPTION WITHIN OUR GOVERNMENT! WE WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT AS OUR FREEDOMS ARE SLOWLY ERODED! WE’RE COMING FOR YOU HARPER REGIEM! EXPECT US!” Let the voice of the masses resinate as one, thundering and deafening our oppressors. Keep screaming and screaming, every day, all day, don’t stop screaming until this country is ours again!
    ‘Things have got to change. But first, you’ve gotta get mad!… You’ve got to say, “I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not going to take this anymore!” Then we’ll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the windows, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: “I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!”
    ‘People shouldn’t fear the government, the government should fear the people!’
    For more information, check out http://www.cananon.info

    • Guest

      So much passion, such bad grammar.

  • http://twitter.com/danniculescu Daniel Niculescu

    How about closing the deposit box service from banks, I might put in there a dozen pirated dvds and give the key to everyone who wants a copy. Or the deposit boxes from airports, train stations, and so on.

    The claims are stupid. Microsoft has Skydive and I don’t see any allegations made by copyshit holders.

    At the end of the day, its just business, they know it isn’t right, or doesn’t make much sense, but as long as they can make some money out of this they will sue even their mothers for whatever reason.

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  • Kevin M.

    How come no one sues Sony for making a DVD burner that allows people to burn copy protected material. How come noone sues Microsoft for creating a computer capable of storing copywritten material. Why can they make devices that help facilitate illegal activities and get away with it. I think all the “little” people should make some digital content and then we all sue the “big” people for loss of revenue. And since they are the developers crying wolf then maybe they should be hit with a larger fine. In the billions. Lets cripple them.

  • Kevin M.

    How come no one sues Sony for making a DVD burner that allows people to burn copy protected material. How come noone sues Microsoft for creating a computer capable of storing copywritten material. Why can they make devices that help facilitate illegal activities and get away with it. I think all the “little” people should make some digital content and then we all sue the “big” people for loss of revenue. And since they are the developers crying wolf then maybe they should be hit with a larger fine. In the billions. Lets cripple them.

    • Sdkjgflhdghflhg

      How about Viacom suing itself over distributing torrent software for well over a decade on CNET.com?

      Look at the bottom of any CNET page – you see CBS Interactive. Well that’s CBS/Viacom folks and Viacom are at the forefront of Bill C-11 and ACTA.

      CNET gave us KAZAA after the Napster debacle, and there were over 2.5 million downloads/week when it came out. You can now get KAZAA LITE from CNET and hey guess what – IT CAN STILL BE USED FOR PIRACY!

      CNET also distributes bittorrent software for free and even gave utorrent a 5-star rating.

      This is such bullshit it makes my inner conspiracy theorist start wondering if all this copyright nonsense came about because of wikileaks. I mean, they started leaking dox in 2006 – right after is when the Bush Admin started secretly penning ACTA. Stopping file-sharing means cutting off the flow of information to the public. Cover up the real motive by shouting “OMG PIRACY” and you have an effective way of controlling the people of the world via their mush-minded governments.

      • Corntoe

        What’s funny is even if isohunt is shut, I use Google to search for torrents hahahaha Google is the largest torrent indexer. What they don’t understand is that bittorrent is every single person on the internet sharing information. Lets see the major corps shut us down. I have a little faith in the courts, moreso with the willingness of the people to share information no matter what the consequence.

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  • Bobdole

    Fuck the record labels, little children crying they aren’t ripping everyone off anymore.

  • Offy

    Wouldnt it be nice if we could go after those who make and distribute viruses with as much agression? The “stealing” of things on the internet seems ok as long as its only “stolen” from us lowly, ordinary citizens. Just a thought.

  • Dmanalo_25

    I just a mail from my internet provider and telling me that I violate the copyright infringement. I downloaded movies for a long time and it’s only now that I received such a thing, My internet provider said it will terminate my account if I’ll will continue it. My concern is that how do you know if it the movie you are downloading is copyrighted?

    • Teegalo

      all movies are copyrighted, except for things that are in the public domain. movies are put into the public domain 50 to 75 years after the death of the creator, depending on the country.

  • Dmanalo_25

    Does anybody out there been sued against dowloading a copyrighted movies? Or received some kind of legal action. I live in Washington,U.S.A

  • Guest

    if i could i would donate some money to gary fung, 50-60 bucks a person who uses isohunt should put him close to the same amount of lawyers all the copyright people have in their pockets

  • Buddyboy

    In my view the paradigm has changed. The record companies used to control how the music and other recording industries used to work because they had the expensive equipment needed to do so. Now everyone can do it, they are trying to force us all to cede control to them, even though there is little reason to do so.

    I agree that isoHunt is a neutral facilitator. Without its technology we are unable to see what is out there to be shared. IsoHunt provides us with that technology. If the whole population were badly myopic, we would all need strong glasses to see what it out there and to navigate and use it. But some people would wear glasses and drive getaway cars in bank robberies. You could stop that by completely banning glasses for everyone, leaving us all without the technology to navigate with a clear view, or you could catch and punish the bank robbers. Banning glasses for everyone is ludicrous, even though it would stop illegal activity. Banning isoHunt is ludicrous for the same reason, even though it would stop illegal activity.

    Let’s hope the courts, wherever they may be, are not in the pockets of big business but, in fact, operate to protect all our rights.

  • johnno23

    If I am guilty till i can prove my innocence what chance would I have as a musician if I were to create and share ?? Would my music be my own or will i have to prove ownership ?? hypothetical of course but then a studio could take some parts of any music on the nets and say it is theirs.
    And before people shout……not so long ago some major labels were taken to court in Canada as they had sampler cd’s with music that they were receiving money for when the music was not theirs ….. Oops we thought it was ours was the reply. We shall look into it…….hmmm never did hear what happened.

  • Anonymous

    lol, who cares what the stupid record labels say lol. 

  • Hkjl54

    I donated $5 to Isohunt in 2008.  Use my money to fight them to the end!

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    it’s not isoHunt but the record labels that are the real threat. The
    labels are waging war on the Internet and trying to restrict basic human
    rights by trying to shut down file-sharing services, Fung says.

  • BlackRoof

    UNDERSTAND THIS…

    Chemical and med companies are currently rushing to COPYRIGHT YOUR GENES !!!

    Will they be able to disallow YOU use of YOUR “copyrighted genes” in future?
    At their convenience…   …yes, they will !!!

    Shall I copyright the alphabet and CHARGE THEM for its use?

    Can I copyright a COLOUR? NO !!!

    STAND UP!
    Stop them from stealing your RIGHTS from you.
    STAND UP NOW…   …or pay forever!

    RE: Global Warming?
    Decentralize power generation?
    With household wind and solar energy the problem is solved!

    BUT WILL THEY DO IT?
    Can they charge you tax for the power you produce at home?
    No they can’t; so they’ll keep burning fossil fuels and charging you for the pleasure!

  • Djcalvin

    Hi I am truly disturbed by recent actions of our infiltrated and corrupt governments and enough is enough!

    I’m wondering is there any way we can help IsoHunt fight these dark forces, there should maybe be a petition we could sign or something els, highlighted on front page?

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