Release groups got busted
Written by Ernesto on January 26, 2006Some big players in “the scene” have been eliminated yesterday during a big raid coordinated by a German anti-piracy federation (GVU). The raids took place in Germany, Holland, Poland, Austria and the Czech Republic.
Over 300 homes were raided and 30 individuals were arrested. The GVU confiscated more than 20 servers that were (according to the GVU) used to spread pirated movies, games and software.
As soon as the raids begun rumors started to spread around the internet. Release groups tried to warn eachother and the leader of the RELOADED group was reported to be arrested. The GVU released a press release (german) stating that the folowing groups were taken down: Unreality, DRAGON, Laboratory, Heaven, code talk, GTR, ECP, TRCD, AOS, MRM, SITH, GWL, Cine VCD, AHE, Cinemaniacs, dump station and IOH.
These raids will definately have a strong impact on the availability of pirated material in the next months. However, release groups are flexible, they will probably back down for a while and reorganize their infrastructure but they will be back or replaced within notime.
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No sh!t, jolly roger arrests here in Poland? Well, then our cybercops have their yearly quota filled now… no need to panic for the next 11 months or so… anyway, we\’re liberal around here when it comes to filesharing, so it\’s probably those Polizeis who pushed things so far.
Hold firm, guys.
tP.
Fuck The GVU, they are shit
“If U Think GVU Are Full Of Pricks CLAP YOUR HANS!!!!!!”
Glad I live in Canada, where this sort of thing has been deemed legal (for the time being) by our supreme court.
The DC hub bust few months ago, now this, it’s getting hoter here, but yeah the yearly quota for piracy busts is filled. We shouldn’t see any more of this for a while now :)
Who knows, they might actually be ‘cracking down’ on this sort of thing — we’ll see.
I’m hoping that the ‘exposure’ the scene has been getting will actually help it in the end, gaining the public’s respect – what it needs is a little bit of advertisement.
A huge issue is where companies like google.com become so popular that they hold the ‘monopoly’ on ads, where they’re the most flexible, etc, and where big companies like google just shut down their affiliation with any groups like that as soon as they can — rather unfortunate.
Finally somebody’s taking out the eurotrash……..
The happens a lot in industrialized backwards countries because stupid young kids which dont have a job or a crappy one want to make money off something they didnt make.
The rule between us programmers is if you like it you buy it, instead there are newbs downloading games thinking they are free.
Most of the world will be cracked down heavily. Most notably europe because the EU passed new laws that removed people’s privacy on the internet….something we take for granted in america.
There was also a large crackdown in asia where the chinese police shut down many blank cd\dvd manufacturing plants because they were manufacturing pirated disks.
If we could make the GVU to look as gestapo then we might encurage the former Allies to embrace piracy and beat the evil german government but that’s just my ideas spinning away.
“want to make money off something they didnt make”
How exactly do these kids make money again?
It’s not my fault your president has you by a leash, my hick friend…
I agree. And who exactly is it that is making all the money..?
And as for the American “Go Back To Sleep”
It is the industry’s own fault!! The have let us pay to much money for music and games in the past!! Now they are realizing that they can’t win this one, so they go crying to the government asking for help!!
And OUR f*cking government is helping those “poor” bastards!! So the conclusion must be : we (the people) are always the ones who get f*cked!!
well i do agree with shdwsclan statement “The rule between us programmers is if you like it you buy it, instead there are newbs downloading games thinking they are free.”…….most newbs do dl lots of sh!t and try to sell it to there friends…as is happening here in asia…but c’mon the industry is f*cked up….all they do is clone best selling programs, and try to do better.. and failling…so i say “F*CK OUR GOVERMENT FOR HELPING THEM!!!!!!”
big message here. lot’s to say. ‘go back to sleep american’ — i’m not even going there. Get your heads out of your @sses, You’re leaders did the busting. on kids. LIKE YOU. Kids with computers in their houses, trying to free simple information (be it inexpensive and predominantly benign). Perhaps your leaders have you on leashes? Maybe we are not so different in our convictions. No privacy on your internet eh? Might as well have a camera in your house watching your computer screen, that pivots to watch you exit the room when you go to pee. No wonder the sleepy americans take it for granted. They can. The RIAA is here. You have to see this. More and more american kids are getting busted. For dumb sh1t. FOR MUSIC. Our governments are (usually) more concerned with those ones who are actually hacking… you know- hackers.
Guys sitting up in prison. still. after years without trial. Some of you know what i’m getting at. Most of you don’t. and won’t. People who are stealing credit card information, phreaking fones and piggybackers, stealing corporate databanks, changing vital informations/functions on closed servers (anyone remember the yahoo/mitnick hack?).. the enemy. But not lately. More and more kids are getting busted for computer piracy. and most of them are NOT CHARGING FOR THE SOFTWARE. Isn’t that what piracy started as? Selling software you didn’t actually pay for? But if you’re not selling it, then what is it? It’s called freeing information. But it still makes us the enemy. it’s us. Can’t you see that? We’re all guilty when we cannot be sorted. You know the drill — hate the enemy – free the information :P. Most of these ‘release’ kids have an inside line at a software distro or a freaking game/movie shop. They are actually paying for these releases, so that others may experience them for free– and that’s the excuse. The great achievement. Do you really think even if the prices for software were lowered that the average american OR GERMAN kid would still pay for them? Of course they would. Yeah, how many of you kids truly own any Propellerheads software? Adobe? MICROSOFT??? How about anything from Steinberg? Yeah. Crap’s expensive eh? Pretty easy to get for free too. Hell, why not right? Getting a movie/app a month early? FREE? Give me a break. those who keep their piracy network centered to a server in their house(reloaded?) are you serious? you kept that in your house? my God. Never seen razor, phrozen or risc with that problem eh? delerium? You probably won’t, either. Especially since europe apparently has *no* privacy on the internet. I cannot say that no one else would make a mistake like that, but it does not take experience in rocket science to know that some things can blow up in your face if handled improperly. Next time, keep it somewhere else. Besides, I’m not the first one who said it: NOTHING BEATS A QUALITY ORIGINAL! LIKE IT? BUY IT!
Wake up germany. Release groups RiSE and FALL…all the time (pun). Have been since the 80s. Any bbs baby knows that.
You guys are talking about warez. There is nothing to say. Nobody respects your opinion, nor mine so why don’t you go release something instead of whining.
wooohooo… stealing is wrong… or at least only for the little man in the street.
Price agreements are also illegal, you know (cd/dvd).
Companies all over the world are ‘restructurating’ because, we people cost too much, and what brings the end of the year? right, more profit for the company then the year before.
If you like something, you pay for it. Well, few thoughts:
I got 400 and cd’s and a numberlike quantity DVD’s, i was making a calculation last time, for cd’s only… cost me more than my car for f…sake, cd’s ONLY. On a cd you have an average of 3 good songs, most of them not for sale as a single, so you have to buy the full cd, iTunes selling them, if lucky, seperatly, but in worse quality than i could pirate-download them.
A DVD then, non-skippable warnings, and i can’t skip ‘next to come’ crap, when running a DisneyDVD in my player either, THAT`S IRRITATING. I’ve come to a point know, that i’m making copies of my BOUGHT dvd’s to avoid this, should i ask a refund? What’s more, here in Belgium, I pay taxes to a RIAA-clone when buying empty cd/dvd’s, EMPTY, and since a few months, if you buy a computer, you pay a taxation on it too, and next in row is an extra cost for your internet account. So, i pay TWICE (nearby future three times) taxes for copying, still i’m breaking the law when making a home-copy. SO, who’s stealing of whom?
Is this whining, yes it is, is this frustration, sure, do I have a point, hell yeah!
Stealing is right if you’re able to pay a good (team of) lawyer(s).
meh, i only download games as a trial. i usually buy em sooner or later if i like em. if not *DELETE*! but i can certainly understand why they wanna stop ppl from distributing their games for free, games aint cheap to make these days.
Come on, get real…Do you think that the average kid could pay for all the software that they need. Look, first get the computer which will were I come from cost about $500.00 for a cheap one. Then pay for adobe Photoshop CS, if you want it like I do for $400-$700 depending on where you get it and with what. Then all the games that you want $15-$70. Then if your computer comes with Microsoft Xp Home edition (really lame by the way) and you want Professional that is another $150-$200. Now you might want some really good web making software Dreamweaver etc…$200-$450(prices I have seen for it along). This is without Macromedia flash and Fireworks and such along with it. Don’t even get me started on all the DVD’s people might want but can’t afford. I don’t think that running a server would be a very good idea,but if you are posting here you have gotten some stuff from here too. Now for the average kid they have gotten a computer and want to do something with it, and don’t have the money so I support getting things the only way they can. So please think about it from there point of view. Microsoft and other large companies have found a way to support themselves so far and they will continue. In the meantime that kid with the laptop out of the trash that he have spent hours repairing will also be able to use it. ^_^
Glad they have so much free time after getting all the rapist and child molestors off the street to work on something else, like picking on college kids that bootleg what they can’t afford.
I love the fact that the internet has leveled the playing field for anyone who wants to learn how to use expencive software. In my opinion intellectual property being distributed on the net is a good thing, not only for the consumer who now has an opportunity to protect himself from companies who release shitty software and albums with only one good song on it. But it is also good for the software companies. For example, if everyone who has an internet connection goes and gets photoshop then everyone knows how to use it, hence large companies will purchace licences because all of their employees are familiar with that software.
When it comes to music, if you love it buy it. As far as software is concerned, I appriciate the fact that it costs so much to produce and that companies have to survive however, I dont think that the good people at microsoft are going to be starving anytime soon.
damn relax peeps … those are just rumors, they wish they would have taken them all down. na didnt happen like this … peace out
I am from a third world country. India to be exact.
For over a hundred years, we were bled by the British, the French, Dutch and Portugese. Our national wealth is today, on display in various museums of Europe. From being one of the richest civilizations, we have been reduced to a so called ‘3rd world’ by the violence of the west.
Hobhouse, Henry Writes: “Finally, the VOC (Dutch East India COmpany) ruled over eight foreign governments in Amboyna, Banda, Ternate, Macassar, Malacca, Ceylon, Java and on the Cape of Good Hope. Factories stood in Bengal, on the Coromandel coast, in Surat, Thailand and on the Persian Gulf. In the end, the Dutch East Indies Company was the richest company in the world; it helped to finance the blossoming of Dutch civilisation: Rembrandt, Vermeer, Frans Hals, Vondel, Grotius, Spinoza, the largest publishing operation in the world in the 17th century with numerous authors and poets, some forgotten today, all the painters architects and above all the patrons.
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Today, Microsoft can easily release its Windows 95 or even WIndows 3.11 for free usage by the 3rd world.
Adobe can release its old versions of Photoshop for free.
Do they do that? Hell, no. They think of profiting immensely and more than their work merits.
Piracy is real world. Welcome to the real world.
Yeah, like Fireater said Microsoft could easily release their old OS for free and write it off in taxes as a charity expense but they are to high and mighty thinking how they will make their next buck. In my opinion Microsoft OS users would be cut down by 1\4 if we couldn’t get their OS some other way. I for one would switch to Linux. More power to you fireater!!!! ^_^
hey guess what they been doing it since reel to reel…..i remember in the 80′2 in S Korea and Euro…getting black market casettes…pressed albums….it a never ending battle just now it being reported…..and being seen by more on the internet….it has been and will always be……they will never win….so cruise and relax….fuck gov.
From being one of the richest civilizations, we have been reduced to a so called ‘3rd world’ by the violence of the west.
India was a piss poor third world country before the”evil” white man invaded, and it’s now a very polluted smelly third world country today. They should be thankful the evil Europeans taught them how to exploit they’re resources. P.S The west owes you nothing. Create it yourself.
FYI:
for compairison:
We don’t have a DMCA laws in Europe that take away about every bit of fair-use rights a consumer has.
We don’t have Mitnick-like cases over here.
The fact is that when you play with fire u burn your fingers.
but if I wanted to play with it I still would do it in Europe since I don’t like 130Kg cellmates called Bob.
Europe is a much nicer place where still some correct laws exist. Too bad the US Entertainment lobby is gaining ground here so some dumb ass politicians think its better to bust a kid or 2 put them on trial and dance on his grave later on. It’s not like that didn’t happen in the US yet.
So stop trying to say the US is better than Europe, it isn’t. I’ve lived there I know what it’s like. Europe is a much more friendly place to live in. Atleast here they can’t fire my ass after 20 years of service with a 2 weeks notice. Now that’s illegal imho.
hey 3rd World Critic – Its true that the ‘West’ doesn’t owe anything & Indians (or other variety) should create for themselves, BUT, Indian economy from 1500 – 1800 was the largest in the world – about 25%; which is the same as US’s dominance now. So don’t talk Cr@p.
Some ppl come to tha place where I work to have thier MS OS’s repaired – most times need to do a repair reload, when U ask for their Original CD they dont have a genuine one SO what do we do? RePORT them to the authorities only so MS can put em in Gaol not likely the punishment is Big Fines so who get’s the money? (GOV or MS or Lawyers for MS) So let’s say I be a good person and Dob em in We don’t get the Job and don’t get paid, whereby my Boss makes no money and we all go broke and end up begging the GOV for help whereby we get told go get a job – I say hey F%^K I did my Job right according to the authorities that’s why me no work no more. NOW I too can not afford to BUY genuine I find a pices of Sh&t PC in the bin save me money get Internet Access and Download You KNow What! for freee why? Cause I want to learn the product and how to service it so I can keep up with the other Guy’s in order to get a Job…. goes on for years struggling an stuff.. One day after too much honesty and effort I get a Job fixing Puters – They Guy’s freind who got busted comes in to get PC and OS fixed. NOW I need his disk and it is not genuine What do I do? a) fix it and shut up b) dob they guy in c) quit my Job? mmmm Wife needs food, here’s what I do F^%K MS fix the job, read the resume from my Previous Boss (F65k) him he never paid me much anyway, Get the money give it to my bOSS Get my pay go home eat and F43K my wife. Ahh I say’s that’s better less unemployed more money and happy PPL cauz now I can afford to BUY GENUINE Product that dont work Proper – tHats why I got a Job Coz some stupid Company sell OS’s that dont work and then charge U for the New improved version & when may Versions afta they almost got it Right – Hey Let’s sell the World another Kind of OS a much prettier one with lights and bells and whistles next XMAS for double the money – Cmon PPL lets but shit that dont work proper – I say yes to U and Dont care where U get it from COZ U will in my Shop to get it fixed when it crashes.. U think I got it made …NO way dumb shit’s COZ my pay is less than the Guy who never went to school and takes away my rubbish during the week and on the Week End goes cruising in his Jag with his U beaut Top Shelf Laptop and Genuine Microsoft – then he comes in to get it fixed where I work and complains that $40 to repair is too much. Now The Answer is and I say Get it free and charge em $4,000 to fix it from home Coz guy’s like us dont want to work for you MS or my Boss with shit pay and if we all had the same attitude and Quit our Job’s could make better money than some dick head who won money at cards and started by Stealing IBM software then Used an Apple GUI (stolen idea) Then Charge You for stealing His Stolen Shit that Don’t work – Hey Gues what don’t blame me I wanted to be a rock star but you guy’s keep stealing me music on the net – I may as well admit I am a sinner too and ask Jesus into my heart get born again and be good so off to work I Go, then some dude walks in with a PC with ileagl Software mmmm do I love God and Dob the Guy in – Hell no lets’s just forgive each other and share on teh net, I mean share everything Software, food, money – Hey Guess what if we all share we don’t have to steal so we can eat!!! Let’s all Get Jesus into our hearts and Get Saved and read the bible – Act 2:43 And fear came on every soul. And many wonders and miracles took place through the apostles.
Act 2:44 And all who believed were together and had all things common.
Act 2:45 And they sold their possessions and goods and distributed them to all, according as anyone had need.
Act 2:46 And continuing with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they shared food with gladness and simplicity of heart,
Act 2:47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved. AMEN
what if everyone did that? everyone in the world decided to put all their money on a shared bank account. you put all the money you earn into the one account – everyone does. and you take what you need. Realisticly there would be more than enough for everyone. no one would need to starve ever again. There would be no rich no poor! but we all know that in the real world it could never work cos we are all greedy bastards and you could be damn sure that everyone would take a lot more than they ever put in. just a thought.
This is going to be a long one. Something I wanted to say for a long time.
First I work for a big Software MNC (Multi National Corp.) and to me it seems that these software MNC’s mostly release software for each other and not for the common man (ironically computers started as a common man’s hobby). For example, Microsoft’s OS os most convenient for these MNC’s to purchase than for a kid on the street. If these people really want to beat piracy, the only way to go is to make the process of piracy more expensive than buying the software. That is the only way to ELIMINATE piracy. Any other way – No Joy ! There is some headway – with the release of Visual Studio Express Editions that are free – atleast for now.
The Linux (Open Source) front is not making enough waves with Free Software because even they gotta live. So they have ended up saying Open Source is not free. I agree that to live people gotta make money. But that does not mean make pople pay through their nose. “If you like it, you buy it” is a good thing if you are Mr. Money Bags.
But all this doesn’t mean Piracy is a good thing. It still is bad. But what do we do if there is no solution to it ? We cannot use our desktops as paper weights (Damn Expensive if you ask me). But till the time that the decision makers listen to the common man and make software affordable to them this will happen.
By the way – I am from India too. I agree that the West owes us nothing and we should make it ourselves; but we were not a “Piss poor third world nation”. Dude, we gave you the ZERO the other half of the binary language for your computers. So think first and get your facts straight before shooting your mouth off. This is a proverb that every Indian knows.
I like learning and if not p2p i would not be able to practice on software. P2p is good for publiciting software, but can we say the same when it comes to watching moovies and listening to music? He, he… By the way… They (the big fish) should start chargind the telefhone companies. Are not those the ones that profit with all the webpirates and tinipirateshitys like me? I can say that it comes not very cheap for me. Well maybe not as expensive as buy all the stuff i like, he, he… When it comes to file sharing i am a comunist…, he, he…
Where to even begain with all of this…i guess first off from what it seems most of you knocking the americans like we haven’t come up with shit…anyways piracy if going to stay free flowing information for all till the day we see our last computer..its just like hackers/phreakers same goes with all of this as the technology changes people find ways to bypass/get by/manipulate it for their own means. even if all the money in the world was spend on trying to eradicate piracy.. theres still going to be that one person or groups of that they won’t get…thats just the truth behind it all…this could go on and on but truth remains just like back in the days when us dos kiddies were encodeing cda’s…or trying to get into FaTE..whatever it maybe h/p/a/c/v if someone wants to get it out there it will be done and as for the people as long as people know how to accuire the information it’ll always be around….but i do agree if you like the program/software WHATEVER do your part and chip in for what its worth and within reason but…oh ya and whatever you do if your gonna RELEASE try not to keep the servers where you lay your head..thats whats telnet is for amongst other things ;)
lets smoke weed and share..
PEACE And get it all for free.
F@#k the big companies and Gov.
The way I see it, software piracy benefits companies more than it damages them. Kids go out, download a $500 software package that neither they nor their parents could ever afford, and aren’t sure they’d even WANT to spend the money on if they had it. Then they get used to it, they learn it, live it, love it, and when they join a slave driver corporation someday, they will bring experience to the table, and recommend the company use that software. They’ll blow the corp away with their mad skill, and the corp will buy 1000 licenses. Tada, pay back.
I’ve actually done this, minus the 1000 licenses. I had a company buy 5 photoshop licenses tho which is a hell of a lot more than I’ve pirated the software. Ch-ching.
This is crazy! I was born in South America, raised there, in Europe and now I live in the US. I have traveled to India, Africa and China and have seen first hand a level of misery that MOST “1st Worlders” can only relate as a work of fiction. Yet, I am overweight, drive a nice car, got sattelite TV, broadband, a whole list of accessories. I KNOW my life is a dream to the majority of the world. If you hav a computer, download software (especially games) and can read this post, YOU should know your life is MUCH better thant the majority of the world.
Yet, with all my “wealth” I constantly wish I had more. I lock my house and my car and don’t leave my things lying around – even when I am in a dirt poor country where the sale of my [stolen] laptop or my [stolen] possessions could possible feed a whole family for months-.
I cannot presume to have insight into your souls. I know that downloading and not paying for it is wrong. But I also know that it is wrong in the sense that I am not paying for something that had a real cost to someone else.
These are the things that I know. Read into them what you will:
1 – The price of anything is directly related to the producer’s ability to sell it at that price, either by force (government taxation), by market pressures (consumers’ wallets) or trade manipulation (why can one NOT get a DELL, Compaq, etc computer without an OS?!) AND by a shitload of other factors I cannot even begin to comprehend.
2 – FREE
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2 – FREE is less than anything.
3 – I make excuses like everyone else.
4 – Yo, reading this, is everyone else.
5 – There are scenes out there where the players ARE revolutionaries sticking it to the man. I cannot envision a wolrd where harmony reigns.
6 – I have no idea where I stand ideologically. I only know that FREE is less than anything, that I wish I could pay what they want at that I could do database calculus.
Godd Night
forgot something very important!!!!
THINGS ARE NEVER, EVER TOO EXPENSIVE. IT’S THE WORLD’S AQUISITIVVE POWER THAT IS TOO LOW.
Ja, das ist gut.
idiots, I dont make any money, well….. not much.
I don’t care about games, I can always pick them up at the store. I hope they wont crack down on fansubs though, because it’s next to impossible to find anime in the States, and even then, having to pay 30-40 dollars for like, 3 episodes with usually poor dubbing and translation is not my thing.
To Opinionated :
I don’t want to seem like I’m taunting you or insulting India but I’m throwing in my 2 cents first the number “0″ was invented by the Mayan empire in the Yucatan Pennisula in Mexico not India. Number 2 I believe that there should be no 3rd world countries and think it’s wrong India isn’t 3rd world but it’s not the top of the list 1st world either. 3rd the Indian Market was so Huge becuase of the West India Company brought in by the west and third many of India’s problems can be traced back to the caste system and it’s exsistence. Please Try not to take offence to this matter this is just my two cents everyone can have their opinion. To People who hate the U.S. don’t genericly label us(I know this is a bit hyppocritcal considering my statement about India) You don’t KNOW ALL OF US. Some of U.S. like Geroge Bush some Don’t some like Our Freedoms even if Europe is more free I’m happy knowing I even get the Freedoms I do. Just because companies have money doesn’t mean you should hate them Microsoft sells copies of windows for 300 dollars. Don’t get mad at them The leaders of that company are self made men Capatilism is a good thing. If you don’t like Microsoft charging so much TOUGH. If you complain It’s your own fault for not earning your way to the top like they did. I happen to get the food on my table from my dad who runs a corporation. If you live in a country where you can’t afford it that’s a tough position. You can’t truly help it. One day all people and nations will be equal but I can see your side of the arguement wanting things but not being able to obtain it. Right now all we can do in the richer nations is help that why I’m a member at theonecampaign.org to better the world. For those saying F**k the Gov shut up listen to your selves. Learn some history guess what allows you to say such things without getting hurt LAWS and the GOVERNMENT. Read up on some people by the name of John Locke and Montisque. If there was no gov the strongest and biggest would take hold most of you probably couldn’t go one on one with a friend of mine who is 6′4 (for those using metric about 2 meters tall roughly) If you challenged him he’d snap you in two. People like hime would be feared becuase of their strength just like civilazation was about 10,000 years ago. People would listen to him and do what he says AND THERE WE HAVE IT THE BASIS OF GOVERNMENT. A primitive form of a Dictatorship. Government is the natural proggression or rather evolution of human nature. People need governments to protect the weak from the strong. Maybe the way a current government isn’t working ANARCHY ISN’T NEEDED A REFORM IS. Incase you can’t tell one thing I hate is when people don’t know anything about subjects don’t learn anything about it and then form an opinion and claim all others are wrong. If you wish to participate in Online talks conversations and message boards such as these you must have an open mind in fact I’m open to have any of my positions here changed or corrected. Please don’t take offence to any of this These are my opinions and no one else’s. If anyone here would like to talk to me more about any of this email me whether it be positive or negative preferably positive of course :)
nicholassarles@gmail.com
Hey, people act like all of us Americans are rich and enjoy the evil being know by many as George W. Bush. First I’m so F**king broke at the moment from college and Bush is a Di*kweed..(LOL). But anyway if it wasn’t for P2P technology I would not have much of any practice on any of the advanced software out today. I have a dump computer that I found that some moron must have through out because of some virus infection or something. Anyway I got a copy of MSXP and now I have a computer to use to promote help myself on my way to a better life, and to help all of you out with what I provide. Onward with the SHARING, for us all..no matter what nation. So please all of us have one thing in common…love of computers and I think that should pave a road for us all no matter what the big companies and goverments do to cause hate among our nations. Isn’t that what you all say in the end anyway? So I join you all..F**k the big companies and gov!!! LONG LIVE SHARING!!!!!!!!
oh noez! the germans are going to take my people and they’re going to put us in work camps!
I’ll probably thank myself later for this. You’re all very very special, in that you have such strong patriotic inklings against America. That’s special in the sense that your 3rd grade teacher uses it, GLOG. It’s actually hard to decide just how to word an argument in a thread like this, because there’s really no creativity in any of you, it’s amazing.
Here is a nugget of wisdom that should hit around 20, sometimes much later depending on your level of ignorance: everyone is the enemy! The “big bad corporate crooks” who garner politicians, the “peasants” who just want that “gub-ment check”, the leave it to beaver syndrome, they are all of you. Civilisation is a struggle between all members. When a member gets used to watching free movies (which were only made as a marketable commodity, you fucktards), he will protest to the ends of the earth against someone taking it away. You can bet the same happened to the producers – getting used to actually making money on movies is much better, don’t you think?
Scarcity principle, folks. High school econ. The arguments here are made by people who only know an argument they’ve heard. People who depend on expectations instead of observations. I pity all of you.
Well, young all important Brandon….seems with all of your wisdom you still can’t spell civilization. Please don’t come in here talking about all of us. We don’t pretend to know everything, but you should at least learn how to make a proper sentence. You have a high level of fragments and run-on sentences. So don’t pity us poor little pirates,and pity the ignorance found in your all important head.
Type civilisation in dictionary.com. I know well how to write a sentence, I should.
How funny! :) I mean, we all talk about sharing and yet we end up on real world politics and what fucking bastards we all are. I personally buy the stuff I like (CD’s, DVD’s, Games etc.) to support the product, so I MIGHT see another CD of the band or another movies of the same kind or another game by the same people etc. I don’t feel ashamed to say: I give a fuck about nationality, religion, language, color of skin etc. Why should I care? It’s about sharing data and being in the position to judge it. (And make the decision to say: Fuck! Great! I will buy that!) I totally agree, that it’s close to impossible for the most to buy stuff made by Adob or Corel or Macromedia etc. I can’t and if I can’t use the programms I can quit studying and just get a job as a trucker or whatever (doesn’t mean trucker is a bad job…) Well, getting back to the politics…srry, can’t leave it… a lot of americans (not all! Can’t judge a whole country without knowing at least 50% of the people ;) ) have this patriotic thought and this “We are the greatest and the world police and etc….” For me it’s crap. I can’t be proud to be born somewhere. I can’t be proud because my father or mother or someone in the family did something, but I can be proud of what I did and archived and that’s what matters to me. ( And maybe I should work on my english… :) ) Stay cool folks! =)
>>The leaders of that company are
>>self made men Capatilism is a
>>good thing. If you don’t like
>>Microsoft charging so much TOUGH.
>>If you complain It’s your own
>>fault for not earning your way to
>>the top like they did.
Okay, but I fear what its approaching, Caruso. In the depression, when Okies, entire families pushed off their farms because of money, were roaming the orchards in California fighting over baskets of food to sell for a nickel. And the farm owners weren’t obligated then to give money to the poor, either. It never is a problem of those with money, since they don’t want to have to help if they don’t want to. So they don’t have to! And what — the U.S. government FORCES them to let a crop go for a year — hard earned freedoms down the drain. But what choice did we have? And in the beginning, government was supposed to be you and me working together. Doesn’t it always become this way?
I can’t see much to feel strongly about. It’s a big complicated mess. Don’t try to bake up a pure and simple truth, because there isn’t one.
Hi everyone,
it`s funny and strange how this topic is dicused over and over again.
I don`t understand why you guys are spending so much time with this chickens*it. We all got our opinion, somebody has found his one, someone made himself one…and only a hand full of a few poor suckers are just reading this lines without any thoughs.
Well to get to the point, myself is asking, if the gibberish talker here are aware, that the real dudes are not talking in a place like that? To be honest, i wouldn`t be here either, if i had something better to do at the time i`m writing this.
well, let`s see how many roots i`ll bring up:)
In my Land the Polititions are making lats of shit, and so lang they continu solang will i download stuff from the Internet
I’m an average user.
I download only the best programs and not the shit ones, I don’t make any commercial profit from using them. No company loses money, because I would never buy cheap shit programs nor would I be able to afford overpriced decent software.
I download half-decent movies, because in this country the only movies that show at the cinema are bullshit stephen shitberg american box office lord of the fag family turd films. No company loses money because I don’t go to the cinemas and if I couldn’t download movies I wouldn’t buy or watch any anyway, its that simple.
I buy every big release game that comes out. And download all the shit games just to play them once then delete them.
Without downloadable music, I’d just survive off of free music releases anyway.
See my lazy-assed average user logic?
Why is it that kids like me can, or anyone else for that matter can be arrested here in America, put in prison, and fined up to $250,000 for downloading music, when we maybe downloaded $100 of music? Its nice to know that the American government takes rapists out of prison, and puts them in rehab for free, and release them in a few years when they f*ck up ppls lives forever. And because I downloaded some songs, I can go to jail and be fined becuase I screwed some multi-millionaire at a record company out of a hundred dollars. That guy probably wears a thousand dollar suit, owns a $1,000,000 house and a brand new mercedes and a brand new yacht. Like he needs that $100. Thats BS. And when I get fined $250,000, where does that money go? To George Bush so he can spend it on a pointless war? I didnt screw those ppl out of $250,000, and neither did any of you guys, so whats the need in the fine? I think it’s just stupid that they can do something this big to us for something we did that is so miniscule. Piracy isnt going to be stopped, but some ppl will be caught. And they will pay for all of us. Last time I checked it is illegal to download anything and sell it without permission. Why is sharing illegal? We’ve been learning to share since kindergarten, and now we get fined and arrested for it. I know its on a different level, but still, it makes sense in my world. I just think that sharing with ppl all around the world shouldnt be illegal. But as for those “newbs” who DL stuff, and sell it to make money, thats wrong. Sharing is not.
Okay i know this is serious but, saying things here makes no difference except i know you’re angry and you know i’m angry. Do something about it instead. An extreme and possibly stupid idea is http://www.piratpartiet.se the swedish piracy party that’s trying to get into the government. I do not share all of their ideas but i admire their spirit. All these long posts tells me you atleast have enough time. :)
-Brandon
No orginal thoughts eh? Yet you post to all the sad people that posts here..hrm.. making you one of tme no? I mean come on, the struggle between classes is an original thought by you? *laugh* That no one is “right” because they are on different sides, that is your logic? That is truly lame as the belief that your dog deserves a diamond collar is important yet the quality of some pooor guy’s life isn’t.. well that is just pathetic.
I say there’s a fat rich bastard there somewhere eating fuc**ng whores and making money of the music and and film industry…actually i got a group and ppl download our music in norway. i dont care… im glad someone wants to listen to it… and we have music videos and stuff..so ppl know us…well this pisses me off. because the companies keep getting richer even though they loose alot of money on piracy. they still have enough!! think about it how much money did they use on king kong?? how much money do they pay each actor?? hollywood?? i dont really want to watch that crap anymore!!! im gonna stick to the asian stuff!! because its alot better.. and i hope the american dont buy that stuff up like lately you’d see jet li and jacky chan in american box office… can you guys get the picture?? its all about the benjamins… they dont care if kids die in africa..but if it sells hell yeah they’d make a movie out of it!! its ironic like that southpark episode with that fat chick sally and starvin marvin.. she is in the food corps but eats all the food… and whats up with this war?? its STUPID!!! and i mean that for both sides!!! hope this piracy will be accepted to some degree… and that ppl could see that there are real crimes being commited right now.. like rape or killings extortions.. child molestors!!! YES those are the real crimes NOT piracy!!!and the fact that they pay actors 100 000 000 dollars thats a sin to the starving third world!!! and to the guy from india.. if u read this.. india has some of the most complex history and they know alot of stuff most ppl dont!! i dont care if the british think they gave you something. wich they didnt!if it hadent been for india i guess there wouldnt have been a shaolin think about that one!! i hope all of sitt aat home take a break think about how we could live in harmony with everybody still useing electricity and oil. cuz in a few years we probably wont!!! and for the gov..suc* dyk* n di*e Sinh!!!!
this is some good stuff, worthy of saving the webpage.
I have to say tek had the best post. I mean thats how it works. But if your that dumbass enough (RELOADED?) to run a server in ur house, ur asking for it. How do u think kazaa did soo good and still never got busted like crapster? well b/c it isn’t dumbass enough to run servers in the usa. Back in the day ( 2001 or so on a win 95 packard bell), I heard how they run their servers overseas, which is how it should be done. Hell go run some servers in the forests of africa or india or somewhere, but def. not in your own damn house! that’s just plain ignorant…
i mean damn if u have the money to afford a server, AND that good of a connection, surely u can afford to take a trip ( or wire money) to a good friend in a foreign land to host it….
but that’s just me.
and also, i dunno how much of this is true but from what I hear, its the sharing that’s illegal. so if u dload something, and you at least half-ass make it look legit (iso’s?) and there’s no trace u shared it, then its legal. You can tell em you had a copy but sold it, and kept your backup…
Hi,
When someone gave me a christmas present and decided to give it to my neighbour who add no such luck, cops did not show up.
Now when I share the programs that I bough to people who don t have the sufficient ressources to get it, the cops may knock on my door.
Now, the debate is simple. Or we use internet, the good and the bad who comes with it, or we live without it, being sure that the supercompanys make their superbucks.
But you can not sell us faster and faster internet connections and expecting us just to surf arround with it.
Why do governements (EU and USA in frontline) and tech companis spend billions on bringing up the speed of connections? To read poems, emails, and CNN?
They can not punish us for a crime they helped us to comit. Cause, face it, if we all remained on dial up, P2P would not eve exist.
So please leave us alone, and stop blaming us for using internet at its maximum capacity.
Now, sure there will be lees budget in movies and music clips. I don t feel so bad about that. Maybe there will be more space for real music, less Britney shit, Backstree Boys and all these things… And if musician want to make more money thay can go make more concerts, and earn their life like everbody else.
About the movies, they could start spending more times on their scenarios, instead of spending more money on their special effects. (5th Element costed one fifth the budget of Terminator 3…)
Anyway, these are remakrs and ideas… Just to tell to the world to stop attacking us for what they gave us, and start take us as part of an evolution which is affecting all and everywhere.
Well Well looks like this topic is gunna go for ages.
I’ve been thinking, does anyone give a thought about this sharing stuff and really considerwhat’s going on. It’s PPL like us who share that will probably make no effect on those giant media corporations, why coz for whatever reason we have be it broke, don’t care, whatever we, most of us would probably never buy the stuff we share for what ever reason we have. So the giant corps would never make money from us anyway’s. So what’s all the fuss with file sharing, don’t you think that it’s really us who are guilty of making those big fellas rich? how you may think?
When we don’t buy we share and promote the material for free giving millions access to whatever we have, we are advertising for the Rich!.. and free of charge too.
those who can afford what we share most likely would not even know of the products with out us. cause we get we try and we converse with others about these products tell other PPL what is good and what is shit. Those who can afford the stuff then buy it and make some goon super rich. I wonder how these large corporations would survive if file sharing was completely shut down! they would starve coz most rich ppl keep things to them selves and do not tell the competition what they got or how good it is or how enjoyable it is. Because the rich are greedy little shits who don’t share diddly shit with anyone.
It’s really farsical how the whole thing works (the world system).
Lets this about this one for a minute let’s say some bastard get busted for whatever stupid reason like the gurus that got busted that started this subject we all get talking about it and in turn are promoting the stuff that was available for sharing all of a sudden ppl who can afford to buy get scared shitless of the authorities and buy the stuff we are sharing for fear that they will get busted and be put to shame, and pay a huge fine for which they will stupidly pay, But us penniless fools don’t get scared so we keep on sharing, and any way half the stuff we share probably prompts us to spend a little on hardware not software to be able to use the stuff, all of a sudden harware vewndors are making more money. (someone alway’s wins)
But the real losers are us living out our fantasies while using shared stuff we are really financialy better of perhaps even a little depressed the more.
If i got busted I could not give a damn because I can not even afford to pay my rent let alone some huge $100,000 and above fine. Lock me up then and feed me give me a bed to sleep in in my own room at night and hope to God no one screw’s me up the arse, like they do on the outside if you know what i mean.
That does not mean I don’t care for the law and am a criminal…no way quite the opposite.
Now let’s give this a real thought as to who the real law breakers are..
The bible say’s (or rather the literal word of God) that thou shalt not covet (one of the commandment’s.
What is covet let’s look at http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=covet
okay COVET means some thing like this To feel immoderate desire for that which is another’s.
Which we who share are guilty of… but hey don’t feel so ba… because the owners of the biggest media companies are more guilty of Covetous because they desire what little money we have that’s why they don’t want us to share because they want as much of our hard earned money as they can get. and then never have to work again.
My Main POint this time is this we are all sinners there is no one who is righteous no! not even one!…
I’t was Jesus Gods only son who came down to earth to teach us to share, God want’s us to share and distribute evenly and it can and does work read acts 2:44-47 in the bible….
so LONG LIVE SHARING COZ IT’s Gods ultimate plan to share with us what he has we just need to, Repent and beleive in Jesus (john 3:16)..
Long live Sharing – they tried to kill the best sharer in the world (Jesus) hung him up on a cross and left him to die put his dead body in a tomb, but guess what? he rose again and now lives forever more waiting for us all to confess that we are sinners invite him in our hearts learn to share and then finnaly be with our father in heaven who incidently owns everything imaginable… and our father in heaven is going to share with us all he has but only with those who learn to share we can not have greedy people in heaven it won’t work. Ironically if you reject Jesus, refuse to admit you are wrong refude to share you will be stipped off all you have and be thown in the pit’s of hell. Gods Promise Not Mine..
Once again Long Live sharing and praise to to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ AMEN.
its like a viruz… nothing can stop it.
pfff
I prefer darwins natural selection. the world is ever changing so things in this world need to adapt to survive in this ever changing world. Filesharing on a global scale is the new player on the scene and its very succesfull. if something is succesfull it will grow and force other beings out of excistence or force them to adapt so they can promote their own chance of survival. it can also promote the growth of other beings in this new worl order.
to put it in other words. the companies that are losing money need to find other ways to prevent piracy otherwise just like 99,9% of other animal species they will go extinct. Companies that can adapt will surive and those that cant or wont are doomed.
I hope this rambling made some sense. if not well too bad haha.
The game i bought after downloading was world of warcraft. why? i could not get the damb thing working. i had everything except a valid serial. Blizzard did a good job to make sure its really hard (for me) to play without an original serial.
I know its late but….
*CLAP CLAP*
Well Can you change teh mentality of the HUMAN RACE NO – Quality is free is a PUNCHLINE in management books, lets change it to “everything is free ” by busting a few relese groups in german can you shut down the rest of the world NO. WEll the torrents will survive the raids and more after all we still have CCL
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dont worry people! there will always be some new, exciting way to steal information in the future! they cannot stop us! we can be everywhere and no where.
LONG LIVE FILE SHARING!
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