Comments on: Research Exposes Risks for BitTorrent Seeders

By: Cyber-Override

Cyber-Override — Sat, 08 May 2010 05:01:52 +0000

@40 that is true
and if they ilegally get any info on you thay cant use it in court

Back to super seeding

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Choosing self | Growing Zinnia Flowers — Tue, 04 May 2010 17:57:43 +0000

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By: anon

anon — Tue, 04 May 2010 17:46:03 +0000

shut down the top1000 seeders, and make another 20000 appear! Im gonna support the pirates!

By: iKo

iKo — Tue, 04 May 2010 10:47:18 +0000

Don’t worry guys, these kind of experiments break the rules regarding ip collecting in most countries so…
At least in France (they are scientist) you can’t do that with a lawsuit in mind.

By: matey

matey — Mon, 03 May 2010 22:49:45 +0000

Bittorrent over Tor isn’t a good idea
http://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea

By: SaveMyBreath

SaveMyBreath — Mon, 03 May 2010 19:05:36 +0000

Ok,
we all know, downloading is illegal.
All hail torrents :D
We also know, governments can get any info they want about any1.
but, if they admit they receive the data illegaly, people who get sued, sue them. (at least in holland).
We might do sumthin illegal, but you ADMIT you got this info illegal.
And that way, you got PRIVACY INFO about tons of people.
so what I wanna know:

WHO IS LEGIT NOW?!?!?!?!

By: Dicks

Dicks — Mon, 03 May 2010 16:20:13 +0000

If it’s any comfort at all, the MPAA/RIAA has yet to prove that know how to use the internet…

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Exploring Privacy Threats in BitTorrent — Mon, 03 May 2010 14:43:36 +0000

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Grootste uploaders The Pirate Bay opgespoord — Mon, 03 May 2010 12:11:36 +0000

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By: 2054

2054 — Mon, 03 May 2010 09:55:13 +0000

Though laws may and will be changed, ilegally acquired evidence will never be admissible in any court….

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 03 May 2010 01:23:59 +0000

This is complete null study. Everybody knows you can see the initial seeder, when you immediately start downloading a torrent that was just uploaded. The one who has 100 % and is the only seeder is the source. D’uh. Not news!

By: Borderliner

Borderliner — Sun, 02 May 2010 16:03:44 +0000

>> “Running BitTorrent over TOR
>> does not make you anonymous in
>> any way.”

> Yes it does.

No, it doesn’t. What people forget (or don’t know) is that the announce made by the BT client specifically includes the IP. Secondly – DHT runs over UDP and that can’t be used over Tor, hence if you’ve got DHT activated for a torrent (which is prefferred when dealing with public torrents) you won’t be anonymous. Thirdly – using a random port for communication can make you less random in a swarm.

Read what the people who develop Tor have to say about this:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea

As for the findings: not really a surprise. I’m quit certain bigger uploaders used seedboxes and not every account neccessarily has a different IP, hence a large number of uploaders might boil down to a handful of specific computers.

By: paul

paul — Sun, 02 May 2010 15:40:39 +0000

anyone else just feel the sudden urge to close their utorrent for a moment? haha

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By: Research Exposes Risks for BitTorrent Seeders

Research Exposes Risks for BitTorrent Seeders — Sun, 02 May 2010 02:03:46 +0000

[...] A recently published paper found that it is relatively easy to expose BitTorrent’s biggest content providers. The researchers were able to identify 70% of the initial seeds of publicly available torrent files that were uploaded to The Pirate Bay, something that might peek the interest of the entertainment industry. Read ahead [...]

By: us

us — Sat, 01 May 2010 23:46:02 +0000

it was also intresting to read this week why proxy’s and tor doesnt help

http://activepolitic.com:82/2/old/30-4.html#Internet

By: rex

rex — Sat, 01 May 2010 19:20:59 +0000

Uploaders seedbox and downloaders VPN. MAFIAA never catch you this way.

By: inet user_

inet user_ — Sat, 01 May 2010 18:06:02 +0000

“Cmon, now if someone is engaged in frequent high-priority first seeding of a torrents then that person I hope is not dumb enough not to use an anonymizer or seedbox.” ?

right.. not

By: Blabbitie

Blabbitie — Sat, 01 May 2010 17:38:30 +0000

I totally agree with comment number 60.

It’s not that hard to do. Second of all, what the hell? Cmon, now if someone is engaged in frequent high-priority first seeding of a torrents then that person I hope is not dumb enough not to use an anonymizer or seedbox.

Also, this is only good for hot new releases, as I doubt few releasers keep seeding past a certain point.

-Dem Tig ol bities
http://blabbities.tumblr.com

By: rex

rex — Sat, 01 May 2010 15:33:29 +0000

If you upload material to torrents use seedbox.

14 New Seedbox Providers to Speed Up Your Torrents

http://filesharefreak.com/2009/11/07/14-new-seedbox-providers-to-speed-up-your-torrents/

If you download stuff use VPN.

Total Anonymity – A List of VPN Service Providers

http://filesharefreak.com/2008/10/18/total-anonymity-a-list-of-vpn-service-providers/

By: 6sixty6

6sixty6 — Sat, 01 May 2010 15:21:59 +0000

Court OKs Unmasking Identities of Copyright Scofflaws – http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/unmasking-copyright-scofflaws

By: nom

nom — Sat, 01 May 2010 14:44:43 +0000

if your foolish enough to use public tracker dont be surprised if you get caught.

By: dncholas

dncholas — Sat, 01 May 2010 13:55:27 +0000

It takes a research team to figure this out? All you have to do is open torrent and click “peers”.. pretty obvious the one’s with 100% on a new torrent is the one uploading it. Maybe these “researchers” should find better things to waste time examining, or better yet figure out something not already known :s

By: chili cat

chili cat — Sat, 01 May 2010 12:58:09 +0000

this news is no biggie. everyone knows the risks of initial seeding and already takes good care

By: mush

mush — Sat, 01 May 2010 12:54:24 +0000

“give ‘em a boner” is the correct phrase

By: Mr. Briggs

Mr. Briggs — Sat, 01 May 2010 12:34:52 +0000

I concur with #4 (-_-), the word is “pique”.

By: Phishy

Phishy — Sat, 01 May 2010 12:02:45 +0000

“And why doesn’t the tracker “detect” people that connect to ALL new torrents? ”

are you insane? do you even have a clue how much traffic and cpu cycles are being used even on small time trackers? You expect it to double the load instantly and maintain a realtime tracking database of all users and what they are tracking, constantly checking itself looking for someone downloading too many fresh torrents?

Dear god

By: Phishy

Phishy — Sat, 01 May 2010 12:00:25 +0000

@ Einstein

Basically, if the torrent client requires connections to outside IPs, there is no way to hide this. Yes, they could remove the ip list from the torrent client. That would be like closing your eyes, your machine is still connecting to those ips, your software firewall would see it, your os would see it, your router and any firewall on there would see it, the dsl modem would see it, your isp would see it.

In relation to the internet at it’s most basic there is no way to stop it from making those connections, and there is no way to make those connections invisible.

If you thought for a second the ip list you see in your utorrent “peers” tab is how they gather ips alone you are wrong, they use screen shots of those to show laymen. The ips are gathered by running a script or piece of software on the pc or router, and collecting all outbound/inbound tcp/udp connections. They monitor the seeds this way, as the only way to prove you shared it is for you to share it to them. This is rare

Mostly they just use tracker scrapes and pickup all the ips in the swarm, regardless of what they are doing and send blanket threats to the isps.

The only time they actually get into the swarm and download content is when they think they can nail a provider

By: Mbb

Mbb — Sat, 01 May 2010 11:12:10 +0000

Omg the anti-piracy people’s are so stupid, the key is by the scene groups of course

‘Without Osama Bin Laden no terrorist’

‘Without scene groups no torrents’

Its that easy

By: deviant

deviant — Sat, 01 May 2010 10:49:55 +0000

Haha, how can someone actually get recognised for publishing a paper on this?

This ‘technique’ (if you’re even going to dignify something this simple with such a term) has been used for years by Staff on private sites. We’d always look at the peerlists on TL, FTN, ST etc.. to catch the IP of the idiot stealing it from ScT.

By: Afficianado

Afficianado — Sat, 01 May 2010 09:49:38 +0000

Well, I thought it was perk the interest.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 01 May 2010 09:41:13 +0000

Block the entire Europe and US IPs and share files only with the people of North Korea, China or those anti-US people such as Afghans, Iranians.

Btw… fuck Russia! Yaye! :)

By: HNicolai

HNicolai — Sat, 01 May 2010 09:33:12 +0000

First of all, why does OBT allow the “scrape-all” command? When does you need it? (The researchers was using that (and other) commands to “spy” on the bittorrent users).
And why doesn’t the tracker “detect” people that connect to ALL new torrents? It’s a quite suspicious activity!
And people that upload alot, should just Ghost Seed, that would make it impossible to find the initial seeder.

Fail tracker, fail peers! :P

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The published paper can be found here: http://rapidshare.com/files/382236628/bt_privacy_LEET10.pdf

By: CCC

CCC — Sat, 01 May 2010 08:24:22 +0000

nothing new. Bram had mention this before .

By: Reality

Reality — Sat, 01 May 2010 07:50:40 +0000

@40

“US copyright law was changed to allow for the civil and criminal prosecution of persons allegedly engaged in copying of copyrighted works without permission that did not result in personal financial gain; historically, the criminal copyright law required infringement to be for financial gain”

i.e. if it’s free, it’s not a criminal case

By: Brandon

Brandon — Sat, 01 May 2010 07:41:39 +0000

I pitched my dvd player to make room for another 1tb sata rack on my tower take that bitches…. 8-P

By: Unauthorized Content Consumer

Unauthorized Content Consumer — Sat, 01 May 2010 07:23:34 +0000

Piracy would end substantially if the corporations changed their business models and stopped allowing their greed to warp their impression of potential customers.

Okay…back to my superseeding through a neighbours unsecured wireless. xD

By: JonnieHayward5655

JonnieHayward5655 — Sat, 01 May 2010 06:05:25 +0000

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By: JonnieHayward5655

JonnieHayward5655 — Sat, 01 May 2010 05:55:20 +0000

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By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 01 May 2010 04:37:57 +0000

“Unless they bribe the judges, seeding still isn’t illegal. There’s no law that says you can’t give something away. The law is against theft, and they have to prove that the seeder committed theft. If the seeder can show a receipt that shows that they purchased their original medium (or mediums) of the music, game, video, or whatever…”

It’s copyright infringement. A stupid law that no one has any obligation to follow, but we can’t pretend it doesn’t exist.

By: pique

pique — Sat, 01 May 2010 04:19:44 +0000

I also immediately wanted to comment that it’s “pique”.

By: jose

jose — Sat, 01 May 2010 04:06:40 +0000

@22 , @34 If you know of a way to run a vpn through a seedbox please explain because I have talked to many of my seedbox providers and they don’t know how.

By: neko

neko — Sat, 01 May 2010 03:17:29 +0000

guess what, there’s organization at the top of that end too. The top 100 ip’s mentioned are controlled by something like 10 ppl. and its just a drop in the bucket. Shut them down – go ahead, think any of the info is real? think these were payed by a personal card? think this is the only thing those boxes do? think there’s no plausible ‘hacked’ denability?

Your NOT safe downloading, but we will NOT disappear either. ever play wack-a-mole? now imagine everyone you managed to wack, caused 3 to pop up?

Think boxes are rooted for only credit card’s sakes? FUCK NO.

when they filter the net:
WE WILL BE THERE AND BUILD A DARKNET

when they filter by protocal:
WE WILL BUILD NEW ONES

when they spy on the users:
WE WILL FEED THEM SHIT DATA

and when they go to get organized against us all:
WE WILL REMOVE THE DATUM. WE ARE THEY. WE ARE YOU. WE ARE WE. AND WE WILL NOT DIE. WE WILL FIGHT. AND WE WILL WIN.

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM!!!!!! (FOR ALL GODDdddAMMIT {there’s no god})

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 01 May 2010 03:13:33 +0000

By: Bud

Bud — Sat, 01 May 2010 02:35:03 +0000

utorrent the best.

Adult flicks @

http://www.cherrytorrents.com

By: Einstein

Einstein — Sat, 01 May 2010 02:15:14 +0000

To this day I don’t understand why .torrent clients put the lists of IP addresses for all the world to see!? Of course our ip addresses are essential for Bittorrent to work, but WHY make it a feature of a torrent client (in my case Utorrent) to display lists of ips?
Maybe it’s because the creators know that our ips will always be discoverable with appropriate software, so they figured, why bother?

By: BIOS

BIOS — Sat, 01 May 2010 02:13:08 +0000

@22

Yes, anything can be run through a VPN. You can run a VPN through a VPN :P