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By: Danish anti-pirates defeated-TorrentFreak « FACT – Freedom Against Censorship Thailand

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:35:51 +0000

[...] for copyright holders in Denmark, it is worth noting that Danish anti-piracy tracking company DtecNet remains the main partner of the RIAA and other music groups in countries where governments are [...]

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By: Anti-Piracy Group Throws in the Towel, Pirates Walk Free – FUCK THE RIAA

Anti-Piracy Group Throws in the Towel, Pirates Walk Free – FUCK THE RIAA — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:51:31 +0000

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By: Moblog

Moblog — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:03:32 +0000

Demand for Immediate Take Down – Notice of Infringing Activity …

Seit einigen Wochen erhalte ich unentwegt automatisch generierte Emails von “DtecNet AntiPiracy” wegen angeblicher Urheberrechtsverletzungen. Die Emails gehen dabei an die als Abuse-Kontakt gelistete Adresse für einen bestimmten, kleinen IP-Bereich….

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By: Encore666

Encore666 — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:36:57 +0000

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By: jake

jake — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:42:57 +0000

It’s strange. Perhaps every older generation tries to control the technology of the younger generation. More than ever before, I think, the older generation has zero clue what they are dealing with. I also think it is likely that it is too late for them. They can never understand. Thus, their efforts will always be laughable and ineffective.
Art no longer belongs to the rich. It belongs to the masses…rightly.

By: Johnm

Johnm — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:39:33 +0000

The other problem is what they use these reports for. They lobby government beurocrats/legislators who have no idea how science is done (which is exactly what this paper purported to be doing, whatever their purpose was, they measured data and discussed hypothesises tested by that data). They look at conclusions and don’t bother with looking to see if the conclusions are supported, or if there even is any disclosure of how they were arrived at (negative in both cases here).

Then when they get the three strikes laws proposed, the legislators/regulators support them because of the problems the reports detail and the solutions the reports promise. No thought at all is given to whether these papers are credible, nor even whether they’ve supported their claims or at the very least shown how they were arrived at (again, negative in this case).

The other issue is in court cases. In both trial and appeals cases these reports and the experts that parrot them help get bad law made. Especially when the opposing side can’t afford to get their own expert to explain why these reports are worthless, the suit who cited them for the plaintiff as evidence of various things will win.

Nothing much can be done, but they’re far from harmless. If people would learn to look at these things scientifically, we’d see the impact of them disappear. Unfortunatly, politicians don’t really care, and know nothing of logic or evidence-based decision making.

By: Fearsome Grue

Fearsome Grue — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:15:59 +0000

@1 The problem with encouraging Big Media to spend money on these useless studies by incompetent firms like DtecNet is that to them, it’s just part of the cost of fighting piracy. So while these nincompoops who tell them what they sorta want to hear are laughing all the way to the bank, Big Media just twists it to say the money they’re throwing away on these studies is part of their “losses” that could’ve been avoided if only the marketplace were fair and law-abiding. It’s so technically flawed as to render the data useless, and is arguably not a good use of their wealth in dealing with the realities of BitTorrent and the rest of the file sharing market, but I doubt it’s going to bankrupt them. The money they drop on it is a straight expense, not something they think will pay for itself. So they’ll only spend what they can afford.

By: Brink

Brink — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:52:54 +0000

shhhhhhhh, don’t say anything.

Let them think they won so they leave us alone!!!

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By: lune

lune — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:04:30 +0000

Knowing how UK works, these guys probably have a degree in history or foreign languages, and a rich dad. So they are expert at everything from cooking to IT.
I still have that davenport/lyon pencil. Any taker.

By: Johnm

Johnm — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:57:35 +0000

What’s interesting to me, after reading the report, is just how sloppy it is. Now I don’t know what purpose they intended to serve by producing this paper, but the claims they make seem utterly insubstantiated by their presented data and reasoning. They simply present a colorful graph and make claims. They don’t even label the y axis. The claims seem to be that the y axis is some mysterious measurement of *something* on “select” (not defined, no idea what that means) networks.
They fail to provide even the most basic information to allow the reader to draw conclusions from their data, even if its taken for true. If this were a highschool science report, it would have failed. I understand most people don’t have a scientific background, but it isn’t a secret that when basing your claims off of measurements, that you need to a) say what the measurements are, and b) show how your conclusions are a function of your measurements.

They fail to do this, completely. I honestly have no idea what they measured and would have no confidence in their conclusions, nor in their company if this paper was supposed to be an analysis or summary of findings. The explanations offered by torrent freak appear quite possible, but its impossible to say from this report, as their conclusions are just naked claims with pretty graphs (of unknown meaning). To sum it up: this report is worthless, and while its impossible to say whether their conclusions are valid (certainly not supported by this paper), the manner in which they present them (naked claims and vague metrics) gives no confidence that they were.

By: John Pon

John Pon — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:44 +0000

How do I open a company like this lol

By: Trelew

Trelew — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:34:21 +0000

Remember Big Business and government deals with spin doctoring than the actual truth. Truth is the last thing they want the general public to know. If they can spin their so-called truth (re: lies) to the public, who for the most part don’t know the workings of P2P, will take in spoon-fed media reports as legitimate fact.

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Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:35:26 +0000

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By: The Daily Loper – Oct 29, 2009 | Medialoper

The Daily Loper – Oct 29, 2009 | Medialoper — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:56:56 +0000

[...] RIAA Anti-Piracy Partner Clueless About BitTorrentTracking piracy isn’t easy. First you have to understand the basics. If that doesn’t work you can just make stuff up. By Lopy The Loper | posted in The Daily Loper [...]

By: brianni

brianni — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:27:31 +0000

stop it………………………..

By: brianni

brianni — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:27:29 +0000

stop it………………………..

By: brainwashed reasoned mind

brainwashed reasoned mind — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:28:03 +0000

I’m sorry readers of torrent freak, its just that i dont like the truth & when its so obvious i will reply with mindless posts to troll.

Again my deepest apologies to you all for my brainwashed mind :0)

By: how funny...

how funny... — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:16:22 +0000

Great to see the riaa/mpaa wasting its money :0)

As far as the w@r on piracy goes, us file sharers here at torrent freak are the w@r against the pirates who in fact are riaa/mpaa!

riaa/mpaa = pirates

By: reacto

reacto — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:45:07 +0000

let them believe what they want to believe

http://piratesagainstpedos.co.cc/

By: AngryPirate

AngryPirate — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:39:52 +0000

Fact:
Sony would kill your pregnant wife if they could make any money from that.

By: Riaa Anti Piracy Partner Clueless About Torrents? « AEMMP RECORDS

Riaa Anti Piracy Partner Clueless About Torrents? « AEMMP RECORDS — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:28:22 +0000

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By: pam

pam — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:18:53 +0000

@TorrentzBeak

Intellectual property cannot be stolen because ideas cannot be property. If you want strong arguments, please read this article:

http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=authorship&a=authorship_property

By: TorrentzBeak

TorrentzBeak — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:28:17 +0000

@30 You have it spot on.

You can call them stupid but it’s my bet they are not. But on this board if you oppose theft you are stupid. Well when you get fined or banged up, let’s see who’s in a job and who’s stupid?

By: TorrentzBeak

TorrentzBeak — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:25:15 +0000

Dear No @42 ETF are you talking about. I am not associated with those other posters or organisations of any kind. I just have a different point of view to you as I do not support stealing property be it intellectual or physical. Having run out of facile arguments you resort to personal attacks – pathetic

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Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:56:07 +0000

By: silversurfer

silversurfer — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:55:35 +0000

just shows how brain dead thay are and the goverments that beleave there stats are just as bad

By: STUDY: Pirate Bay Closure “Significantly Disrupted” World P2P Traffic « SmashFuse

Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:51:56 +0000

[...] provider with ties to that country’s Pirate Party. Additionally, as Ernesto over at TF points out, thanks to the use of the Distributed Hash Table (DHT) most trackers were working just fine during [...]

By: DRuNKeN MaSTeR

DRuNKeN MaSTeR — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:38:22 +0000

Sorry for my stupid question, but what is “Ares”? Never heard of it…

@DtecWTF: ROFLOLMAO. So much nonsense in so few pages…

By: STUDY: Pirate Bay Closure “Significantly Disrupted” World P2P Traffic

Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:07:48 +0000

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:18:44 +0000

“make several false claims, draw bogus conclusions and report inaccurate statistics.”

While no wonder they get allong so well wigh the riaa!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:49:36 +0000

Lol @ their SOLOUTIONS link:
http://www.dtecnet.com/EN/Our%20Soloutions/Business%20Intelligence.aspx

Pure idiotism.

By: AxionWare

AxionWare — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:34:00 +0000

RIAA Anti-Piracy Partner Clueless About BitTorrent…

In January we introduced DtecNet as the RIAA’s new evidence collecting outfit, replacing MediaSentry whose evidence gathering techniques have been highly criticized by experts. The Danish company is not limiting its services to the RIAA though. …

By: AxionWare

AxionWare — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:34:00 +0000

RIAA Anti-Piracy Partner Clueless About BitTorrent…

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:05:51 +0000

I hope they will be gathering evidence against british sharers-
I can just whip this paper up in court and claim BS.

By: Sendaii

Sendaii — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:57:32 +0000

Not really surprising, is it? People that are awful at their jobs paying other people that are awful at their jobs to be awful at their jobs.

Is it any wonder that the RIAA is losing money?

By: Reasoned Pineapple

Reasoned Pineapple — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:42:46 +0000

Shutting down The Pirate Bay and claiming Bittorrent traffic has ended is like shutting down Google and claiming web traffic has ended.

Clearly there is a ton of money just waiting to be fleeced from wishful thinkers. Perhaps I should start up my own anti-piracy company. Good make-believe skills seem to be all that is required for success.

By: RoestVrijStaal

RoestVrijStaal — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:24:46 +0000

One Word: DtecFAIL

By: prodigydancer

prodigydancer — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:00:53 +0000

If they were serious and honest people and/or if the weren’t clueless about networking and P2P they’d never endeavor to stop “piracy” because they’d know how useless such attempts are.

By: Cordelia

Cordelia — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:57:07 +0000

Good article, Ernesto.

Frankly – isn’t it better that they stay ignorant? That makes it easier to fool them.
Muppets.

By: (8)

(8) — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:03:54 +0000

Only diffirence I have noticed before and after piratebay disconnection chaos, is that new torrents have alot more trackers and older torrents take little longer to get in cloud. So nothing mutch seem to be changed, except money burned for nothing.
Not my money so I don’t care :]

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By: Paid my dues

Paid my dues — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:10:43 +0000

Someone here said the RIAA reads this site, well if so listen up RIAA.

I like to “try before I buy”, which your archaic current business model doesn’t support, plus your product is DRM’d and because of this it doesn’t play back across multiple hardware platforms.

Your current extortion of money from innocent internet users is despicable.

You would be quite happy to send me to jail with falsified evidence which you present to a biased court due to your “bought” judges.

You tried desperately to squash independent artists by attempting to get p2p software banned. (you failed because you messed with Librarians, don’t you know anything ?, NEVER mess with a Librarians pet project).

My hard earned cash goes to a fair, just, non DRM’d music business models.

I hope more people boycott your products RIAA.