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RIAA Demands Unlimited DMCA Power From Google

When it comes to entitlement, few private companies can match the RIAA. The latest cause of their whines is Google. After Google published their report last week on DMCA takedowns, the RIAA is determined to make out that Google is the problem, because almost 1.25 million removed links in one year wasn’t enough, and it’s all Google’s fault, despite the search giant having absolutely no hand in putting any of them online.

Poor Google can’t do anything right in the RIAA’s eyes.

The Mountain View search engine is being lambasted by the Washington DC lobby group for not being proactive enough with the tools they have provided to deal with the alleged copyright infringements of completely unconnected third parties.

Worse, it’s claimed that Google are actively hindering the RIAA, because they’re not allowing the industry group free reign to have each and every suspect link terminated perpetually.

When Google published their report on DMCA takedowns last week, the RIAA was unimpressed. In fact, they were so unimpressed by the average of ONLY 3,400+ links taken down each and every day, that they did what any well-connected lobby group would do – it took to its blog and wrote a top-5 list of facts on why it’s ALL GOOGLE’S FAULT!

Fact 1

Google places artificial limits on the number of queries that can be made by a copyright owner to identify infringements.

Because nothing says “problem sorted” like allowing someone else’s bots unrestrained access to your data. Of course, the RIAA should be free to run as many search bots as they want, potentially hindering the search engine’s core business as they hunt down potentially infringing links. The RIAA is after all a big fan of DDOS’s, having been been the target of a few themselves. And it is better to give, than to receive, which is why the RIAA would like the ability to share one with the Google links database.

Fact 2

Google also limits the number of links we can ask them to remove per day.

As we’ve seen before, nothing says “accuracy” like a stream of bot-generated links. It’s impossible to churn out an unlimited number of links with human oversight, and we’ve see how well that’s worked in practice, time and again. Since such takedowns are meant to be submitted under ‘penalty of perjury’, it’s clear that Google is just looking out for the RIAA, preventing them from committing so many perjurious acts that penalties would have to be enforced. Thanks to Google, the RIAA is being saved from itself.

Fact 3

The constraints Google has placed on the tools they promote to deter infringement are well below what is necessary to identify and notice infringements on the Billboard top 10, much less the entire catalog of the American creative community.

If the number of takedowns were so limited, and so inadequate, then surely better care would be taken to ensure accuracy. Earlier this year, in a submission to the New Zealand Government, Google noted that 37% of DMCA notices it received were not valid claims, and 57% targeted a competitor. Perhaps if these notices were better used, there would be enough to do what the RIAA wants. And yes, apparently the RIAA speaks for the entire ‘American creative community’ now.

Fact 4

Google claims that the DMCA notices it has received for a site represent less than 0.1% of the links it had indexed for the domains at the top of this list.  But this number is misleading given the constraints imposed by Google on a copyright owner’s ability to find infringements and send notices to Google.

Since Google indexes so many links using their own resources, it’s just not right that the RIAA can’t have unlimited use of those same resources, for free of course.

As already discussed, it’s clear that were the RIAA able to have a freer hand to determine what Google can and can’t index, there would be a lot more than 0.1%. Where there’s 0.1%, they’re sure that it could be 10%, and if there’s 10%, then there might well be 100%. However, those restrictions prevent the RIAA from filing those notices, or even finding out. And the 37% of claims that are false? They are just collateral damage, for the Greater Good, nothing to worry about, much less do anything about. Besides, the RIAA knows best, and is just looking out for artists, honest!

Fact 5

If “take down” does not mean “keep down,” then Google’s limitations merely perpetuate the fraud wrought on copyright owners by those who game the system under the DMCA.

Finally, how DARE content be re-indexed if a notice has been filed? The RIAA’s position is CLEAR on this – a DMCA notice is a permanent ban on that content ever being indexed by Google again. It doesn’t matter who uploaded it, if it was a fan with a bootleg before and now it’s an official release, or even if it’s just entered the public domain or someone else has taken over the rights, it simply cannot reappear.

No matter what the copyright status is, once someone has filed a notice against it, that content should be completely banned from the internet. Because otherwise it’s a fraud on copyright owners, and not the kind where RIAA members claim the copyright for stuff they don’t own the rights to, or prevent the rights holder from using their own work, or lie to law enforcement to get goods seized. That kind of ‘copyright fraud’ is clearly acceptable, unlike the former examples.

Sending almost 2-in-5 DMCA notices that are bogus, safe in the knowledge that false claims won’t be punished is another fine example of how to game the spirit of the DMCA in an acceptable manner.

If the tone here has verged into the absurd, there’s probably a good reason. The RIAA’s demands are sheer lunacy. If the RIAA wants its demands to be heard, then first it needs to get its own house in order, before their abuses of the law are noticed and wipe them out. To blame Google for their own shortcomings is more of the same myopia that has left them playing catchup for the last 13 years, but who is surprised by that any more?

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  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    “Poor Google can’t do anything right in the RIAA’s eyes.”
    But “poor” Google can do one right thing in eyes of it’s costumers and that is to tell riaa to go fuck themselves

    • Cyrious

       Came here to post something like that, turns out i got ninja’d

      The RIAA can go eat a bag of dicks for all that anyone cares anymore.

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      • Anonymous

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      • Anonymous

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    • No1_2_u

      Damn straight!

      I wonder how much longer Google is going to put up w/ the MAFIAA’s insanity & lies before they bring out the big guns & challenge the MAFIAA’s delusional bullshit in court; or, even better, next batch of takedowns Google gets, put the MAFFIA, Hollywood, & the music industry on the list & remove ALL links to them.

      Litterally, take them off the Internet.

      • Mystery

        That would be hillarious

      • :D

        Google actually is getting fed up with all the bullshit lately with the RIAA/MPAA. as you can tell by this lawsuit from Google against the MPAA in regards to Hotfile and Megaupload:

        http://torrentfreak.com/google-defends-hotfile-and-megaupload-in-court-120319/

      • kokkeli

        Too good of an idea to actually happen or what? Now when you said it, I wonder what are the reasons behind google to currently include these sites. Maybe it’s the don’t be evil thing? Or what?

        Because they should. Like right now.

      • Kaushik

        Can’t we start a petition or something to remove all RIAA and Hollywood links from the Internet?

        • No1_2_u

          Awesome idea!

          Q: To the TorrentFreak admins, could you look into this question, as I have no idea how this could be accomplished, & post the petition on TorrentFreak so we can sign it?

          As you communicate w/ Google, you could pass the petition on to them.

          Just a thought; let’s give the MAFIAA a taste of their own medicin!

    • Bloaxor

      Since they can’t do anything “right”, they should go ahead and unblock everything for some time.

      You know, just to mess with them.

    • Mora

      Boycott all of parasite trolls fuckers ! stop buy and / or spreading links about thier products , stop advertise them , in that case they will loose more money becouse without these free advertise , without spreading words and links about them , less people will know them , that mean less people will buy and finally that mean less money for trolls , less money = less power , less power = FAILURE !
      So in that case trolls are so stupid , they suicide , if Google will ban all links about them that really is a good thing becouse that mean 0 or near by 0 free internet advertise , today young people (wich is the majority of music movies etc  customers ) use internet becouse we all living in internet era , if something isnt on internet that mean almoust doesnt exist (for a biz that mean failure) , seems trolls livin in 80 era , today nobody or almoust nobody buy CD DVDs , people use new fromats and want to buy online at fair prices , specially today when all countries are under crises effect ! So if prices isnt fair or people cant buy new formats then will search for free download , seems trolls dont understand that and i think they will never understand becouse are too retarded to understand and adapt at new technologies

    • Askin

      Would Google be in as much shit if all of their servers were outside the USA?

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Good question. Personally, I see more and more internet companies/websites going outside of the United States until we do some rewriting of the laws that we have today.

      • Desu1

        Google’s servers are virtually everywhere. Google’s traffic is too massive to have servers too far from demand. 

    • Anonymous

      Google has enough financial oomph to buy out the friggin’ RIAA companies. They could also block all search results to any media company associated with MPAA/RIAA. 

      • I_FUCKING_LOVE_COCAINE

        But that would be censorship. I oppose all censorship of legal companies, and the Pirate Bay are operating legally, but so are the RIAA/MPAA.

        • Anonymous

          Agree. Censorship could backfire on the media companies, that’s all I’m saying. As to legal operation, I question the legality of many MAFIAA tactics. Just because they use lawyers doesn’t make it legal.

    • Predator

      You know the logical next thing that could happen is for the corporate entertainment parasites to sue Google. After all as far as linking to content is concerned there is no difference between Google and the pirate bay.

      I can not wait for these idiots and fool to sue Google and get the beating of the century. Obviously Google can outspend the entire entertainment industry by about 1000 to 1.

      After all they failed completely to kill the Pirate Bay who,  as non-profit, did not have the legal or political guns to fight back but successfully using technology instead.

      I am already hearing  them complaining rightly about this obvious un-Republican and anti democratic corruption of the justice system.  But hey this is what they wanted and this is what they contributed for. I wish them a good harvesting!

      Haha!

    • PeacefulOperations

      Oh Oh. Sign me up for that too. There are alot of sucky movies I’d like to have disappear. I’m looking at you Titanic 3d…..

    • Anonymous

       Fact 666 The MAFIAA Must Die !
      Please go extinct and leave us all alone.

    • Asdfja

      We just need a fine on wrong DMCA notices. Seriously, that is all we need. It would force them to actually look at what they take down.

    • Globefriends

      Well its at a point where this what I like to call DMCA SPAM is so out of control that its almost pointless even taking notice of the shit anymore, they just spam DMCA for no reason now so why even bother they are simply wearing the value out of a DMCA takedown and people are just looking at it as spam

  • Afronauts

    Lol Internets 

  • Anonymous

    had Google stood up to all the various entertainment industries from day 1, they wouldn’t now be in this ridiculous position. RIAA wants yet again someone else to go to all the expense of doing their dirty work. i sincerely hope that this time, Google has the balls to tell these ass hats ‘enough is enough you want this, that or something else done, you pay for it yourself, you implement it yourself and you execute it yourself’. any crap from the US Congress, just tell them you’ve had a gut full of being the scapegoat and being blamed for those industries failings, you wont do any more for them and are upping stakes and moving to another country, taking all your revenue with you! see how they like that!!

  • The Muss

    RIAA  shut up!!!!

    • Well articulated

      You cant articulate or is it something else ?
      ” RIAA  shut up!!!! “

      ……………………..After thinking about it………………….
      That is, in context, the most useful comment on this article.
      Cutting through their bullshit and giving them due respect for their incessant ramblings.

      RIAA , shut up.

      • Guest

        That comment’s straight to the point :D

        • Asylum

          I wish this article had been straight to the point. The heavy overuse of poorly written sarcasm from beginning to end made it very confusing to read and understand. It may very well qualify as the most badly written article I’ve ever read here IMHO. I didn’t even realize it actually was sarcasm the first time through. I was all like, “WTF?! Whose side is Torrentfreak on?” lol. I’m fairly certain my sarcasm detector isn’t busted. Perhaps it’s sensitivity is a bit off and needs some adjusting? :)

          You’re right though, the RIAA does need to shut the hell up. They should be thanking Google if anything. Why Google bothers to keep taking their abuse is beyond me. I know they may feel it’s necessary in order to qualify for safe harbor, but do they really? Indexing, which isn’t illegal, is automated and it’s not like Google is encouraging copyright infringement in any way, shape, or form. After all the index is completely useless until some third party completely unrelated to Google does a search and there is no way to come across it by accident. What they are doing, if anything, is a rather costly favor.

          There is nothing worse than someone spitting in your face when you try to help them, especially when you don’t technically have an obligation to do so. Google would be well within their rights to tell them to go to hell and quite honestly they probably should. The RIAA members are being incredibly childish and I say let them run to mommy (the courts) to complain. If losing a court battle and setting a precedent is the only way they’ll learn, I say it’s a good thing that should be actively pursued. In no world should it ever be ok to punish someone, whether an individual or a company, for the acts of others, others whom one has absolutely no control over. Doing so is like holding the telephone company accountable for any customer who looks up a number in the yellow pages, as well as for whomever the listing belongs to, in spite of the fact the phone company has done their best to block that number from all forms of listing. Something that ultimately hurts all three parties on no other basis than an unproven allegation, just because some whiny fourth party says so.

  • Silversurfer Surfer

    lmfao thay demand everything what about full proof off the intended infringment and how thay come up with the proof no one on earth with take the word of lies
    its word of riaa that its a infringment so why go along with it may it be cos there blackmail lobbying gives em to much power
    does that not say something wrong right from the first word thay come out with 0.o

  • Eyegore

     The only way to solve this is to give the RIAA free reign – they are their own worst enemy.

    It’ll be funny.

    • Steve Smith

       RIAA/MPAA have already proven many times they can’t be trusted with power.

  • Anonymous

    Attn: Mr. Brad Buckles

    Sir:

    “Google places artificial limits on the number of queries that can be made by a copyright owner to identify infringements.”
    Then do normal Google searches; old-fashioned police work. This lowers the amount of false positives.

    “Google also limits the number of links we can ask them to remove per day.”
    Google pays its legal staff. Until that changes, they are acting in their best interest to ensure their ability to address other legal concerns as well as your industry’s complaints.

    “The constraints Google has placed on the tools they promote to deter infringement are well below what is necessary to identify and notice infringements on the Billboard top 10, much less the entire catalog of the American creative community.”
    Multiple lawsuits have proven that the provisions Google has made are well within the necessary steps to be taken for a service provider to keep protection as such under the DMCA.

    “Google claims that the DMCA notices it has received for a site represent less than 0.1% of the links it had indexed for the domains at the top of this list.  But this number is misleading given the constraints imposed by Google on a copyright owner’s ability to find infringements and send notices to Google.”
    See my response to your second fact.

    “If “take down” does not mean “keep down,” then Google’s limitations merely perpetuate the fraud wrought on copyright owners by those who game the system under the DMCA.”
    It is not Google’s responsibility to enact an embargo on search phrases and websites outside of a court order.

    Thank you for your time.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

      One point on the take down/delisting not equalling keep down is that there are many good reasons.

      The question of the poster’s status has already been covered. If a given instance of a file is published by the rights owner or with their permission.

      There is also one technical elephant in the room. DMCA take down bots more often than not just do keyword searching to locate ‘offending’ material. This approach then requires and usually lacks human intervention to verify the results.

      There are enough false positives generated by this approach without demanding google compound the  errors further.

      DMCA notices use just a filename, typically contained within a specific address to identify an alledged offending content.

      The problem is that filenames are NOT a  unique identifier of the content of the file.

      Asa simple example, If a press article was copied in its entirety at

      www. piratecontent.com/stories/index.html

      and a DMCA notice issued. The RIAAs logic would dictate (in its extreme) that all pages named ‘index.html’ be delisted from the net, causing chaos.

  • h33t

    google should remove the entire RIAA catalogue from their servers. every damn link, artists included. google owe RIAA nothing

    http://h33t.com/ “The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion” Albert Camus

  • Anonymous

    Screw Ewe Recording Iindustry Association of Assholes.

  • Anonymous

    Google should just buy them out.

    • Guest

       Yeah like you go into a shop and buy something. Google should just go and purchase the RIAA.. That’s gonna happen….

      • Anonymous

        What the FUCK are you talking about? Google could buy the MAFIAA out. (yes they can) :P

        • Desu1

          To buy RIAA, Google would have to purchase every major record label as the RIAA itself is not a stand-alone company.

        • Anonymous

          @ Desu1 That isn’t impossible, Google could still buy them all without going into the red, and if they piss off more than Google, than MS and Google could jointly buy them, win win.

    • Guest

      Don’t give those bitches more money.

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  • Steve Smith

    “Worse, it’s claimed that Google are actively hindering the RIAA, because
    they’re not allowing the industry group free reign to have each and
    every suspect link terminated perpetually.”   <— well if Music industry wouldn't abuse the power it has already on things that are LEGAL under fair use then maybe it wouldn't as big of a problem, But when you clearly REMOVE videos from for example youtube which you have 0 copyright control over or its a clear fair use of the audio in question. RIAA here is an idea want more then 10k per day limit then START shell some cash to pay for the work involved to remove the links intead of letting google foot the bill for all your crap. They have pretty much unlimited control on youtube and its been a compete crap load as RIAA affiliated music company pulled down a NEWS program that did a story on megaupload music video a bunch of months back. Being it was a NEWS program they were protected under fair use to show the video but on top of it the music company had 0 rights to the song to start with so.

    • Guest

      The RIAA shouldn’t be able to pay for censorship.

      And of course they shouldn’t get it for free.

      I don’t understand why Google has to cooperate with them at all..

      • Steve Smith

         Its so google can remain protected by safe harbor as stated in the DMCA

        • Anyone

          right now Google is going beyond what is required by DMCA
          they should just do the bare minimum that is legally required and lobby to get that horrible, horrible law overturned.

  • Zippin2

    How on earth does a stupid out of date RIAA/MPAA think it can bully other companies, and blame them for its loss of sales due to its out of date bussines and pure greed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    I can just imagine the chaos that would ensue were the RIAAs DMCA bot given free reign over google.

    RIAA observe that 100% of pirated content have vowels (AEIOU) contained within their filenames. So set bot to delist any file with any of those characters in filename.

    RIAA pats itself on back for removing pirated content from the (visible) net

  • I_FUCKING_LOVE_COCAINE

    I know this has been repeated ad nauseam, but here goes: the RIAA are defending a dying business model. They reject the idea pirates are potential consumers, and what’s worse they demonise them by labelling them “thieves” and “pirates”. There is no way to stop the free exchange of material between individuals; long before the Internet people exchanged content. Even in China, where the Internet is possibly the most heavily censored, people exchange copyrighted materials. The RIAA, MPAA, indeed the entire industry, is tackling the wrong problem. They’re attacking piracy thinking “pirates” are a separate group to “customers”; they’re not. What the industry should be doing is creating legal alternatives that offer better service than piracy.

    1) Fast download times; 24hr access.
    2) A vast library of content; no waiting times for releases.
    3) No DRM.

    This is a tall order, but something the industry needs, no MUST, do in order to survive.
    The incompatibilist view of the industry will be its downfall.

    • Steve Smith

      in response to pirates are customers as well. http://torrentfreak.com/pirates-are-the-music-industrys-most-valuable-customers-100122/

      “Once again the music industry has come out with disappointing results for physical music sales, which they blame entirely on file-sharing. What they failed to mention though, is that their findings show that music pirates are buying more digital music than the average music consumer. Since digital music is the future, pirates are the industry’s most valuable customers.”

    • Zippin2

       Well put, they had the chance to start a new model when Napster was taking to court yet they choose to ignor the new and profitable model.

    • Guest

       Well if they want to beat piracy they’ll need to be as accessible as piracy. Any less and it’s not good enough.

  • thaiceman

    Google should just remove all access to bots from there DMCA system and require that all takedowns requests be processed by a real human..

    • Anonymous

      The DMCA doesn’t mention that automated bot submitted takedowns be mandated, so Google should just add a reCAPTCHA to the takedown page and tell the RIAA if they don’t like that, then your content isn’t important enough to remove.

  • Tetris

    Well if they are submitted under perjury… set a small pile of lawyers on asking those targeted if they want to persecute then lend them the lawyers…

    • Anonymous Monkey

       …”if they want to persecute then lend them the lawyers…” BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! that’s a GREAT idea!

  • Guest

    And this, folks, is why you should never bother cooperating with the RIAA.

    Google ought to remove all of its DMCA tools and tell the RIAA shitmonkeys to do their own fucking work, on their own fucking dime, and provide real evidence that something is infringing. Let the free ride be over.

    • Anonymous

      It’s too late for that, if Google refused like you said, bad things can happen to Google, ICE could run off with their domain name for example. (yes they certainly would, the LAW allows it)

      • Anonymous

        yes they would take it for a grand total of a day. mega wasnt a us company that influences nearly every part of the world. google has people in congress and has the money to smack ice silly.

        • Anonymous

          Having people in congress has helped them fuck all and as for ICE seizing their domain name, it can and probably will happen, sure Google could then sue ICE but remember, the law is best suited in favour of the RIAA/MPAA.

          The cards are stacked heavily against Google right now.

        • Anonymous

          i dont honestly know if i agree with that. sure the mpaa/riaa has alot of pull but dont forget when google sways it can force the hand of congress. aka sopa they and wiki were the ones that got the blackouts started.

  • It’s a fit-up.

    Hey MAFIAA I have an easy solution. If you want control over Google then buy it.
    It should only cost you a few hundred billion dollars.

    That’s a drop in the ocean compared to the lost revenues some kid with a few hundred songs on Torrent causes, right?
     

    • Aaa

      Logic’d!

    • Guest

      They should buy it.  But they might think that doing this would make people stop using it.  I sure would.

      • It’s a fit-up.

         I thought the same thing after I posted.

      • Anonymous

        It’s far more likely that Google would buy them instead.

  • Englishdevil

    I thought perjury was a rather serious accusation in America, surely Google has the right to take the RIAA Microsoft and any other involved in illegal claims to court.And no it is not just human error, there are supposed to be no mistakes that is why the DMCA requires people to sign the perjury clause when sending a DMCA take-down request.
    In all honesty more and more people need to go to court to sue every time a dmca is sent  against legal content.

  • Peasant O’ CouncilHouse

    Keep on recording in the free world…

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  • Reader

    An idea for Google: remove the limit on how many submissions their tool can submit, but then restrict the service to a once-per-year usage :D

    Or.. maybe the RIAA sign a license requiring them to pay ungodly amounts of money in advance to have access to such tools, after all, Google wasn’t told to create these tools, it was Google’s own idea to create and allow access to them, right? T&C changes can be a real bitch sometimes ;(

    • Reader

      Or, they could add a new clause to their T&C that the moment they submit a takedown request for a single incorrect submission that either they do not own copyright for, or belongs to a competitor, they should completely block access to it and inform them that it was the RIAA’s actions that caused it.

      I think that could fly in a court of law~

    • Guest

       Give the RIAA some package deals on takedowns.  Sell them the ability to take down 1k links for $100.  If they want to buy more, let them.

      • Techanon

        Too cheap, others charge $50 per link taken down.

    • http://profiles.google.com/daniel142005 Daniel Weisinger

      I don’t know about once-per-year, but if Google hired some minimum wage employees to approve or deny every single takedown manually… and there only happened to be ~80-120 total hours dedicated per week to this task. Their takedowns would be backed up so far it would take years to process. I mean, after all, Google has to verify every takedown which means that they have to download the file themselves to confirm that the file is indeed what the MAFIAA says it is. That could taken hours, especially if the office that is used only has a 10mbps downlink. 

      Let them take Google to court over it and then stomp on them once and for all. The Oracle case is more or less over, so the MAFIAA needs to be especially careful. Google’s legal team is going to be looking for something to do soon.

  • Andrew Lee

    I think we should let them have their unlimited power based on their SPOTLESS RECORD of NOT ABUSING POWER WHEN THEY HAVE IT. 

    ROFL! I can’t even type that without laughing!! 

  • Master

    The RIAA sure does make good jokes!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=676827475 Luke Solis

    interesting how RIAA has no spots for comments.

  • Anonymous
    • :D

       And flagged for spam.

    • Aaa

      Flagged for spam and also sent the link to Amazon’s affiliate support reporting you for spam.

      Enjoy loosing your earnings.

  • RIAAtarded

    Demands? In what world would any company let an outside entity control and shape it’s business? The answer is none and it is hard to fathom the level of arrogance needed to suggest that should be allowed or have that expectation moving forward. Rights holders need to adjust their business model to represent their customers wishes it seems to be the only business that does not. We want it cheaper and in a timely fashion. That doesn’t seem unreasonable as we’ve already found a way to do that via p2p. Instead of listening to customers they call us thieves and unreasonable for making the demands. p2p is a result of your own actions RIAA, MPAA and any other rights holders. Huge costs for a nickels worth of plastic, region release delays or no release at all, demands we buy the same thing repeated in several formats to comply with licencing which is the ONLY industry to have that. Can you imagine if cars had that, sorry you got kids you need to buy a minivan, oh they aren’t with you today well you need to buy a second car if it is just you driving. What got another driver in the family, well you need to buy another car 2 of you can’t share an automobile. The level of stupid always floors me can’t imagine even standing up and making these requests I’m guessing the RIAA spokesmen have no issues looking like a moron on a regular basis.

  • US-Gov-Sucks

    It doesnt matter, even if we hand over absolute complete control of the internet over to the copyright cartel then would still whine like little bitches. 

    • Anonymous

      If they ran the Internet, expect it to be completely shut down across the board.
      Back to the early 90′s. Except that they forgot about mesh Wi-Fi and other ways of passing around files in the absence of an Internet.

  • Barbossa

    the mafiaa must be destroyed! why do people buy music? you keep these gangsters alive. think about it god damn it!

    • Anonymous

       Andrew Joseph Stack flew his plane into the wrong damn building.

  • Anonymous

    Let me get this straight: this idiots (the MAFIAA) had the power to takedown any link in megaupload, yet they complained, now they blame google even tough they have almost absolut power to takedown links as well?

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  • Face-eater

    I heard that the guy in Florida that ate the other guy’s face was part of the RIAA.  It’d make sense, anyway.

    Watch your face, Google.

  • http://twitter.com/DunlapClare DunlapClare

    as Bryan answered I can’t believe that some one can make $6935 in four weeks on the computer. have you seen this web page  (Click on menu Home more information)  http://goo.gl/Yn1oz  

    • Captain Buzzoverinthehead DFC

      Flagged. Stupid spammer.

      • Anyone

        don’t fucking reply to the spammers, you idiot

        • US-Gov-Sucks

          FFS!!
          DONT FUCKING REPLY TO THE IDIOTS REPLYING TO THE SPAMMERS, you idiot.

  • anon

    RIAA you make me LOL. Who are you going to send demands to next? There are other search engines such as bing, yahoo, metacrawler, duckduckgo, altavista ect….

    Good job failing at the start of your new mission.

  • foff

    The RIAA is full of themselves.  What they don’t fucking get is digital media has made their product commodity priced.  All the things besides the actual music used to add to value to their product.  You had a physical disk or other media, you had cover art, recordings in non digital format are said to have character, there is even the collectibility factor but none and I fucking repeat none of these things are part of the digital format.  It means your product just does not have the value you think it does anymore.

    In fact,  I don’t understand all the stupids that are willing pay itune prices for music.  I mean come on is a track in crappy quality really worth a $1 or more when you can get better quality for free?  It’s this dick of a company and its gadget monopoly that has convinced the RIAA that there shit is actually worth anything in digital form.  Look those Russian mp3 sites that used to sell tracks for  .10 each had the right idea.  I might not bother to look for anything if I could get it all in one place really cheap and be assured of good quality.  I don’t know what others think but my price point is about .10.  The Riaa can go fuck themselves if they think they will ever get more than that from me.  It is either that free or they can keep it and youtube will do just fine.

    • Gearmentation

      Yes, exactly, the price point is *no more than* ten cents.  That’s pretty clear that people in general are willing to pay that for convenience.  But no more.  

  • Gearmentation

    Charging per request is the way to go.  No reason Google should pay for the process.

  • http://www.chisteslol.com/ chistes

    I can just imagine the chaos that would ensue were the RIAAs DMCA bot given free reign over google. 

    • Anonymous

      Actually there would be no safer way to:

      1) ensure Google gets outcompeted by some offshore indexing engine which couldn’t care less about the DMCA. You want Baidu as the standard? This is the way to do it.

      2) Ensure the DMCA gets hauled down for revisioning fast, once US companies which actually generate jobs and revenue start dropping like flies and the competent people go overseas to ply their trade.

  • Bkonwh

    my greatest fear is tht the RIAA will seize ownership or simply in their blanket tactic strategy limit my ability to make 
    available my music and art!  to the world. This is the greatest problem with lobbied interests in America. They require & get control of a domain or media & little can be done to stop their efforts after the damage is done. Perhaps if they get their way & act with a modicum of restraint- limiting their activities to the 5 corporatism that control “popular media” in the world an independent source of music and visual art will emerge as “not within their providence”. And these artists will be readily searched & found and embraced by search engines. What this will mean is perhaps the public in general will not only know “Rhymin Simon” as the music of their time. Many of us create outside the realm of the RIAA & the legal system & “its protections” intentionally. Now if their real intent is to eliminate competition and limit personal creativity we really have a very serious problem. 

  • Anon

    If the key-cutting formula for every car and house key was cross-referenced and posted by license plate and street address on the internet and google linked to it, anyone could go there, research their target, get the formula, make the key and get into their car or home. Would you argue all that private data should turn up in a google search because some jerk collated and posted it?

    This is the RIAA’s home pirates are ransacking and pirates respect no limits to their prerogatives. Anyone who thinks the RIAA would not fight back with everything they have at their disposal to protect their home is likely 1) deluded, 2) an idiot and 3) a pirate. Or probably all three.

    • foff

      Fucking troll die die die die.  Listen the RIAA only thinks the internet is their target because they are only trying to justify their right to exist.  No law exists to define just what rights a digital work is entitled to this has not been ever fully explored.  If you invest hard money to publish a book in paper form you do deserve to be compensated for your efforts but publishing something in electronic form costs almost nothing so there is a big big difference whether you like it or not.  

      The Riaa is doing nothing but stealing revenues from the creators.  In 10 or 15 fifteen years of fighting piracy they have yet to return anything to a single artist or publisher.  Come on show us a study where you can justify any of your efforts have amounted to anything or have helped in any way increase revenues? You can’t because you are nothing but blood suckers.

    • Gae

      And under the control of the RIAA, nobody may purchase a key or a door unless it is pre-approved by the RIAA and once you do get your officially approved door, it may only be used by you and your own family. If your friends also want to use your door they must purchase additional licenses.
      Oh and if you use that door for any RIAA unapproved uses then you will have your internet cut off.

    • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

      Ah man, I remember when trolls were both original and entertaining. 

      Anon douche monkey makes me a saaaaaaaaad panda. 

    • Techanon

      If someone do that, I change my keyholes asap wothout bothering to notify anyone that I did, problem solved.
      If you REALLY don’t want the movies you produced posted all over the internet then keep the movies to yourself (don’t publish).

    • Guest

      >
      Anyone who thinks the RIAA would not fight back with everything they have at their disposal to protect their home

      I don’t believe anyone is thinking that. Rats will fight back when they’re cornered and we’d expect them to claw their way through. But anyone who thinks that the RIAA’s actions of demanding limitless power, attempts at driftnet fishing expeditions, accusations and settlement demands for innocent users and claims of lossmaking DESPITE THEIR CEOs GETTING INCREASED YEARLY BONUSES are justified, reasonable and within the domain of common sense is likely 1) deluded, 2) an idiot and 3) the RIAA.

    • Fredrika

      > “If the key-cutting formula for every car and house key was cross-referenced and posted by license plate and street address on the internet and google linked to it, anyone could go there, research their target, get the formula, make the key and get into their car or home. Would you argue all that private data should turn up in a google search because some jerk collated and posted it?”

      First of all, it does. Google indexes all kinds of data that can be used for bypassing locks to homes and cars

      Secondly, you seem confused as usual. This article is not about personal or private data that leads to someone’s private property, it’s about data that leads to information that has been voluntarily published to the public, as in intellectual works, which does not constitute property of any kind, little less private such.

      Thirdly, as long as the judicial system doesn’t demand that the authorities take down the linked site, obviously Google should index what’s publicly available.

      The fact that some weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the free market doesn’t appreciate competition is completely irrelevant. Obviously weak failed entrepreneurs shouldn’t be allowed to dictate how other successful entrepreneurs run their business.

      But you continuously seems to be against the free market and jealous of successful entrepreneurs.

      > “This is the RIAA’s home pirates are ransacking..”

      More confusion. The Internet, sites on the Internet, links available at search engines and legal information voluntarily published, such as torrents or links, does in no way constitute Riaa’s home. The place that comes to mind when speaking of Riaa’s home would be fascist Italy, where Riaa very appropriately originates from.

      http://copyriot.se/2008/04/08/what-the-ifpi-tries-to-conceal-about-its-origins-in-fascist-italy/

      > “..and pirates respect no limits to their prerogatives.

      Even more confusion. Publishing torrent files, other links, or indexing non-copyrighted information as torrent files and other links does in no way constitute piracy. Secondly, publishing information is not a prerogative, it’s a constitutionally granted right, as in free speech and the human rights protected freedom to seek, receive and impart information.

      Although free speech and human rights is something you often advocate against, when measured against protecting the profit of some weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the market(who therefore deserve no money).

      > “Anyone who thinks the RIAA would not fight back with everything they have at their disposal to protect their home..”

      Another straw-man argument. That isn’t what this discussion has ever been about. In fact, it’s about the complete opposite, as in Riaa wanting to invade and dismantle other peoples homes, peoples private communication, peoples private property, peoples right to free speech and peoples human rights.

      But you are correct, because nobody thinks that fascist organisations like as Riaa and Mpaa would have any problems with such actions. This is after all the organisations that parasitize on the concern for sexually abused children and think that child porn is great, because it can be used to their advantages. Why do you think everyone calls them Mafiaa? They have worked hard to earn their nickname among the public.

      > “..is likely 1) deluded, 2) an idiot and 3) a pirate. Or probably all three.”

      And if we should take into consideration that you seem to believe all the false fascist propaganda, ignorant claims and out right lies you have put forward over the last six months, is 1 and 2 enough to explain that?

  • HustleHard

    Fuck the RIAA!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GAO3EKLT57NE3P6BNGC4FPEJP4 Emma

    what Kimberly responded I am inspired that anybody able to profit $5098 in 4 weeks on the computer. did you look at this site (Click on menu Home more information)    http://goo.gl/o0i7q   

  • MC

    ” much less the entire catalog of the American creative community.”

    Thats all you need to read, really, to know what were dealing with here. Assholes whos sense of self importance is approaching critical levels.

  • Gae

    I got a simple solution.
    How about for 1 month google does not index ANY media content. That way we can be 100% sure nothing it indexes is infringing and nobody can use google to download copyrighted content.
    Lets see how the RIAA like it when nobody buys any of their shit because their artists get no site visitors.

    • Anonymous

       That’d be cool for taking out all the big-name artists who sold their souls to the RIAA, but what about the little guys? 

      However, seeing as there are no “network neutrality” rules in place at the moment, Google would be totally within their rights to stop processing any traffic from the RIAA, it’s affiliates, subsidiaries or customers.  That would be pretty easy to do, in fact?  And would give a tremendous boost to all the little people out there who don’t wanna sell their souls!

  • NewClear

     Listen to the RIAA:

    “Daddy, I want a spaceship now!”
    “Well son, thats kind of expensive.”
    “NO! I HATE YOU! GIVE ME A SPACESHIP OR ILL SAY YOU WERE MEAN TO ME!”

  • Clown

    Hey guise! There’s a new contender for the world’s funniest joke.
    Here it is: The RIAA.

  • Harquebus

    Those with the gold make the rules. The deepest pockets will win.

  • Anonymous

    The MPAA and RIAA need to be disbanded completely and be forced to never band together again

  • Riaa

    I’m blaming all car accidents on the people that make roads.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BUV5ZD46I2626OAG5QOS6UFJGU Pierce

    like Michael responded I am in shock that you able to get paid $7702 in 1 month on the internet. have you seen this web page  (Click on menu Home more information)  http://goo.gl/UDXVV  

  • Darkknight145

    Maybe the RIAA should pay a fine for every false DMCA notice they send out, $10,000 would be a good figure I’d say :P

    • Anonymous

      with the proceeds going directly to google. lol it would be great

  • Colin

    or another option ….
    google could comply with every single takedown request, and just to be sure send RIAA a printed letter to confirm the takedown, and then bill them using the same rate as lawyers, – say US$50 per letter. then we would see how big the losses really are!

  • http://Operation-DarkSky.askaboutit.com Needlez™

     What will probably happen is the RIAA and MPAA will wind up pissing off one of the big 3, if they haven’t already. ( big 3 are Apple, MS, & Google). These 3 companies have more money then we could only imagine, and buying out the RIAA/MPAA and all label chains would be like chump change to MS and Apple, would make a little dent in Google’s pocket… plus google and all others would then get the revenue that the MPAA/RIAA get from they’re services, and re-coupe their money easily. The point is the MPAA/RIAA are providing false stats on revenue loss, on site takedowns, and other BS. I know this because I was asked to take down a proxy site that linked to nothing and was able to circumvent stupidity. The site may go back up if I ever get the time of day to recode everything. Because they scrapped my servers.

  • http://twitter.com/CarneyRamon CarneyRamon

    just as Debra explained I am impressed that a stay at home mom can make $6825 in four weeks on the computer. have you read this website  (Click on menu Home more information) http://goo.gl/yxRem   

  • Guest

    CRAZY!!!!!!!!!
    RIAA wants to destroy google and any search engine because they hate information
    they’re like the old church burning books
    If we “supposedly” live in a “democratic” society then why can the RIAA do whatever it wants with google?

    Shouldn’t the people rise against the RIAA and demand it’s complete dissolution and ban ?
    Or maybe they don’t care and the internet was a mistake, let’s go back to the middle ages then they’d say.

  • Anon

    Google is not working for the U.S government. Think about if Google moves out of the US and began to be offshore.

    Problem solved for Google and the RIAA couldn’t do anything.

    I hope they thought about this option, because all the hours they use to remove these links, users like us don’t have any benefits, but just been censored, ONCE again.

    Fuck RIAA, fuck you, fuck you.

    • Anonymous

      That’s what I’m guessing – unless the US government decides to start taking a hard stance against pro-copyright fanatics they actually risk losing some of the most creative, brilliant and innovative companies they have to overseas.

      Can you imagine the brain drain should silicon valley decide to just pull their tent pegs up for another location?

      Basically, the RIAA/MPAA are working very hard here to ensure that any company providing fundamental internet services can no longer operate efficiently from within the US. When that happens, said companies either have to relocate – or stand aside and see offshore competitors take over.

  • Anonymous

    “(…) safe in the knowledge that false claims won’t be punished”
    That’s the worst part of it all. DMCA was designed without abuses from right-holders in mind. And it has never been corrected despite clear examples of abuses. That’s not strange, but it’s sad as to what it tells about our “democracies”.

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  • Phantom1412kid

    odd how everyone complains about a bogus pay-up-or-else DMCA bullshit but never fights back by suing the RIAA/MPAA with perjury. the law they use to bully consumers specifically has penalties for false information against consumers.

  • Djrickz

    The RIAA are mobsters and they lost “control” a long time ago. They are pathetic and want to alienate fans and control the internet with every last breath they take. What a disgrace that they are dictating to Google or any site. Are we going to allow this to happen?

    I personally have purchased more tunes because of finding artists I never would have heard if it wasn’t for tunes being more accessible. Does anyone think the “industry” is really not getting paid? Hmmm, last time I checked it look pretty healthy to me. The artists that are hurt by file sharing are not even the ones the RIAA cares about. Do they really care about small independent artists. No they care about who is brining them the big bucks. Is Beyonce, Kanye, Lady Gaga going broke due to all this relentless file sharing. What a perpetual lie. If Kanye can buy an Island there is something wrong with their story. He and other artists may be an exception but really if things are that bad they wouldn’t be where they are!

    Gone are the days when the record industry could sell a crappy album based on one hit song that was overplayed. Now we are more educated and informed and we are onto their lies.

    I do think artists without big representation need to have a better voice but to think for a minute that the music industry is being raped by file sharing is ludicrous. Let’s see Napster was about 15 years ago….Yet the music industry seems to be thriving and doing better than ever. I don’t know numbers but all the EDM DJ’s making it big to Country Stars if they are going for broke can someone tell me how they afford their lavish lifestyles. Same bullshit the MPAA tries to say. Stars are still being paid millions of dollars…Adam Sandler makes millions off one awful movie after another. If the industry is going broke I doubt paying anyone a dime for a half a cent worth of entertainment would seem logical.

    Same lies over and over by the RIAA and MPAA. They had such a great opportunity to embrace fans and file sharing and make it part of their industry. Until Itunes the labels were too greedy and stupid to get their act together to come out with one good idea to take the industry into the 21st century. Good for Apple – sad for them that they missed the boat. They are still missing the boat and it’s going to continue to sink. What they are doing is bullying people, the internet, companies, and fans. When I read about the RIAA I think of Nazi’s. Not exactly the team I want to be on. If they actually had a clue and approached things in a different way they would and could work together with the file sharing sites. It will be another perpetual war that will never be won!

    A true artist wants their music hear no matter what. The RIAA represents nothing but greed, lies and control. Music should be heard & enjoyed and they are going to try to strip away the internet of anything they can’t control. What it will hurt in the end are the artists that may not have been heard in awhile, the small independent artists, the people who make music from the heart.

    What would happen if the RIAA did NOTHING. People would find music and embrace it like they always have AND actually give their money to those deserving of it.

    The RIAA needs to be called out and shut down.

    Think about it…People, – children are even being fined MILLIONS of dollars for sharing MUSIC!!!??? Seriously, that is so twisted. IT’s MUSIC. It should be a compliment that anyone wants to hear your music. Are we going to have jails full of Music pirates who dared share the latest Lady Gaga tune or whoever.

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