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RIAA Promotes Illegal P2P Services, Expert Claims

A leading music industry expert has accused the RIAA of having its own agenda, one that goes directly against the interests of some of the major labels. Among other things, it is claimed that the RIAA promotes illegal P2P services to parents and educators. These services, including iMesh and Bearshare, will apparently become prime targets for a US-led anti-piracy campaign.

avalonBefore explaining why the RIAA is promoting illegal P2P services, we have an apology to make.

At TorrentFreak we have a policy of doing proper fact checking on everything we write, but occasionally we make a mistake. When this happens, we’re more than happy to make a correction, and today is one of those days.

Regular TorrentFreak readers may remember the article on Moses Avalon, the well-respected music industry expert who predicted that TorrentFreak would have to shut down because of new legislation being mulled by the US Government.

Although the proposed legislation is related to the streaming of copyrighted material, Avalon somehow believes that news sites like Wired, Slashdot and TorrentFreak would also be rendered illegal.

At the time we wrote a rebuttal, claiming that Avalon’s musings were absurd, but the man himself disagreed. Moses, who claims to have worked with Bob Dylan, Madonna and Britney Spears, whose blog has 100,000 readers, and who makes regular TV appearances, stood behind his prediction.

Aside from news sites, one of the ‘illegal’ services listed by Avalon was Grooveshark, the music streaming service that has a licensing deal with EMI among others. We assumed that this, and the fact that it has operated as a US company for years without being sued into oblivion, would not make it a prime target.

This week, however, Google booted the Grooveshark app from the Android market over licensing concerns, following in the steps of Apple who made the same decision a few months ago. Avalon went bananas upon hearing the news and told his readership how wrong we were with his rant titled “TorrentFreak Face the Music: Grooveshark is Doomed.”

Although the Grooveshark issue has nothing to do with the legislation Avalon referred to in the first instance, we are of course more than happy to admit that Grooveshark is indeed not “fully licensed” as we initially wrote. In fact, from now on we will become true followers of Moses’ gospel, even though that necessarily means the end of our existence.

Like Mr. Avalon we now believe that everything that remotely relates to P2P, licensed or not, is doomed. This means that apart from TorrentFreak, Wired and Slashdot, the music subscription services iMesh and Bearshare will also, as predicted by Avalon, be shutdown in the near future.

To some the inclusion of iMesh and Bearshare on Avalon’s list might seem odd because the two services are promoted by the RIAA, but considering their P2P stigma that appears to be irrelevant.

We did of course ask Avalon why the RIAA would be promoting such illegal services, and thankfully he was willing to comment. “The RIAA can list whomever they want, as ‘approved’ but believe it or not they do not actually speak collectively for all the labels,” he told us.

“If you believe the RIAA to be underhanded and unreasonable, then there is no which thing as ‘RIAA Approved’. If you believe they’re honorable and good for their word, then you are exposing a rather large gap in your site’s position and philosophy,” Avalon’s musings continued.

So there we have it. A leading music industry expert is claiming that the RIAA is for some odd reason promoting illegal music services, against the wishes of the major labels. Now that’s something we have to believe in, don’t we?

We would like to thank Avalon for opening our eyes; TorrentFreak will never be the same again and hopefully that will permit us to stay online. In addition, we would also like to retract our earlier statement where we said that Mr. Avalon was a classic narcissist. That is, if he can please stop asking us to interview him for a feature article on TorrentFreak – the answer is ‘no’.

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  • TackySauce

    torrent freak =CNN

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000944670479 Paul Sanchez

      Torrentfreak > CNN

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    • Aficionado

      Tacky and Saucy. I like it!

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      Tacky and Saucy. I like it!

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      Tacky and Saucy. I like it!

  • Anonymous

    Who uses Bearshare or IMesh? What’s next? KaZaA going down? OMG it’ll be the end of P2P.

    At TorrentFreak we have a policy of doing proper fact checking on everything we write, but occasionally we make a mistake. When this happens, we’re more than happy to make a correction, and today is one of those days.

    Well FOX News says you don’t and you’re all about promoting piracy, AND THEY’RE ON TV!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

      I used iMesh for about a month when I firt discovered filesharing in 2005. Then I found Limewire, and then in early 2006 I found Torrents. Havn’t looked back since! (except Soulseek, Soulseek is brilliant)

  • Anonymous

    This would’ve also made a great April Fool’s Day Joke. Although i liked the one you did more :)

  • http://twitter.com/ezee ezee

    Give clown little attention (first article)… and he makes a bigger fool of himself (this, second article).

    One wonders how big of a fool he is going to make of himself to get a 3rd article…

  • Trespass

    TorrentFreak: You will always find a way to exist, even in another incarnation. We will follow you anywhere! I trust your news more than any other, others do as well. Thanks for keeping us informed.

    Hopefully freedom of speech will not be perverted to the extent of shutting you down.

  • Trespass

    TorrentFreak: You will always find a way to exist, even in another incarnation. We will follow you anywhere! I trust your news more than any other, others do as well. Thanks for keeping us informed.

    Hopefully freedom of speech will not be perverted to the extent of shutting you down.

  • Trespass

    TorrentFreak: You will always find a way to exist, even in another incarnation. We will follow you anywhere! I trust your news more than any other, others do as well. Thanks for keeping us informed.

    Hopefully freedom of speech will not be perverted to the extent of shutting you down.

  • http://billy.wenge-murphy.com/ Billy Wenge-Murphy

    >believe it or not they do not actually speak collectively for all the labels

    Except they claim to? They proudly declare that they represent over 90% of artists.

  • lolwut

    I spent thirty seconds reading the comments and shit he wrote before I left, wanting to gouge my eyes out.

  • Dragon

    Come on TF quit giving this moron what he wants. At least leave it out of the “news” section. We all to harass monkeys at the zoo for fun on occasion but lets not make it a habit.

    • Dragon

      ^ like to.

      I FAIL on the grammar front sorry.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bernard-Kruzensk/100001891686391 Bernard Kruzensk

    The funnest thing to me is that Grooveshark got me to stop downloading music if it goes away i will probably just have to get another TB external and go to town on the downloads.

  • Fred

    I’m rather curious as to who actually cares about what he thinks tho.

    • Bakapinkuu

      I feel the same way about Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, but scarily enough people listen that they can make the rest of Faux News look reasonable by comparison. Wonder if this guy is serving the same function.

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Great article TF – one of the funniest items I’ve read this year.

  • Mosesavalon1

    <<<>>>

    Wha?!? Can you elaborate on how get from my quote to your interpretation of my quote.? I never even came close to implying that the RIAA promotes illegal music services. And they do not speak for all labels, only the 35 or so major ones and even within that group there is considerable dissagreement. The 1000s of indie lalbes are not represented by the RIAA and often dissagree with their agenda.

    You are clearly insane Ernetso. Insane.

    • Lothor The Evil

      And you clearly smell like crap. GTFO of TF you twit!

    • http://twitter.com/uJonesing Utah Jones

      indusry pro Moses Avalon noes lots abot P2P n tek nd stuph
      btu not enuf abot spallchek.

  • Predator

    The RIAA, MPAA IFPI, BPI, major labels, movie studios, all these corporate parasites including Avalon are going to end up in the trash soon in one way or another.

    So all these discussion about what the RIAA does or does not do and about what the corporation of parasites or Avalon think of them or of torrentfreak is irrelevant.

  • Mosesavalon1

    Nor did I ever write that “Wired, Slashdot and TorrentFreak would also be rendered illegal.” I wrote that they (and you) would be radically altering your content. Seems like you already are.

    • http://twitter.com/ezee ezee

      “radically altering your content”
      care to elaborate?

      And you do know that US laws are just that: US laws… they are not “worldwide laws”, right?

    • God

      fag

    • Lothor The Evil

      And who made you the boss of the internet? Leave TF alone you pillow biter!

    • Momo

      Changing it to what exactly? Pro-RIAA propaganda? You couldn’t handle the competition. Herpaderp.

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  • Frans

    Even if that dude knows what he’s talking about isn’t it easy just moving the sites off US soil?

  • Zebra

    What keeps TF on american servers?

  • hotdog

    ERNESTO I’VE ONLY TRIED GETTING YOUR ATTENTION A HALF BILLION TIMES BUT YOU’VE CONTINUED TO IGNORE ME ..WATCH THIS YOUTUBE VIDEO FOR THE FIVE BILLIONTH TIME.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ikm2aTRSlA

    • hotdog

      Sumner+redstone=’s riaa/mpaa

    • DocGerbil100

      Shouty! No offense, but if he’s ignored you half a billion times, isn’t that kind of a clue, right there? :P

      • hotdog

        no lol

    • Ernesto

      Mental concentration power processing. Please wait…

      • Ernesto

        An error has occurred please try again

        • hotdog

          Must be a windows operating system reboot your comp or press press f4+tab

        • http://www.dreamsoflust.nl/recensie-ohmibod-freestyle/ Jeroen

          Funny guy! I hardly doubt that Ernesto choose Windows to keep TorrentFreak in the air 24/7 :)

          Oh, and please consider visiting a shrink. There might be some loosely wired cables in that brain of yours.

  • Bigguy79

    Avalon = Asshole!

  • Anonymous

    I cant believe Ernesto returned to reporting on Moses Avalon again after all the fuss caused last time.

    Maybe you should just let him write the one TF artical to let him say his lot and to move on. We can still say his ideas are crazy but at least then he cant deny saying them unlike now.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      But V0, he can’t possibly have his say while I’m sitting on his face – and since I’m such a humanitarian I’ve no intention of going elsewhere in the next decade or so.

      Regardless of how smelly and rotting it gets. Mwuhahahahah….

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  • Asdsadasds

    trololololo

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pac-Ducor/100000183951976 Pac Ducor

    LoL @ past 5 hours of comments
    Ernesto… HAHAHAHAH sorry its just I don’t see how this makes things any better…
    Perhaps this just goes to prove that human nature will always lead us to the more “interesting” paths in life instead of taking us down the easy streets like others often show.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    I laughed hard in reading this. My eyes are watering as I type.

  • Steve

    World of Warcraft will have to shut down too since Blizzard uses p2p for it’s patches

  • Neotoasty

    Hypocrisy at large, people. If this is what the RIAA have been doing for god knows how long, then the picture is obvious. They’re trolling everyone.

  • Whatever

    Who is this Moses person anyway ?

    • je

      Don’t know. But the ones who’re responsible for naming him must be very disappointed for sure

  • IDIOCRACY

    I wonder why people refer to this “music industry expert” as an expert at all; a real expert would understand the mechanism of evolution in bussines like the developement of new distibution techniques like P2P and the inevitablility to escape from this developement at all.
    We all learned why VHS was favored over V2000 even it was an inferieur system compared to V2000, right… the availability of Porn. What is the most available item on P2P… right Porn… so do the math yourself.. P2P will never leave until a better and faster and more secure solution comes to the “market” that is used to share and or upload / dowload free Porn.
    And this is of coarse all IMHO. but I am no expert :D

  • Anonymous

    lol, no eal surprise there now is there lol.

    • igjurisk

      U must be truly retarded if u think some1 is gonna click on that link. GTFO twat

  • Moses Suppository

    dat fucking picture

    Stopped reading right there. This site is turning into mosesavalonfreak.com

  • Neonsorcerer

    Oh TorrentFreak, don’t ever change. I’m surprised so many people obviously haven’t picked up on the biting sarcasm evident in this article.

  • http://laroquod.tumblr.com Paul Laroquod

    It’s really never a good idea to generate a whole blog post out of no news at all other than a twist in some blog-to-blog soap opera. In this case you had to stretch the subject matter so far to get a halfway-newsy sounding headline out of it, that once I started reading the article I had to double-check to make sure I had not misclicked.

    I like TorrentFreak. But don’t think people won’t notice what just happened here. The usually tireless and surefooted maintainer of the site got emotional over a personal pissing contest with some irrelevant critic, and let it cloud his judgement to the point where it’s almost as if he intentionally tortured it into a news item thus subverting the goal of his own site. This is disappointing. This is I’m sure not what you originally envisioned starting this blog to achieve.

    Just keep fighting the good fight and ignore the noise. Signal over noise, it’s all about SNR.

  • Dia

    This sarcastic battle with him is really a bore.

  • Dia

    This sarcastic battle with him is really a bore.

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  • Ninja

    I can’t seem to appreciate the moronic antics of this guy. I’m gonna skip future articles. Sry, just not the humor that makes me lol.

  • Barton

    Moses Avalon roflmfao,the man is a clown a true fruit n nutcake.thankyou for bringing a smile to my face Torrent Freak, luv the place :D.

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