The fact is that bands make money from merchandise and live performances not sales of their music, so even if it were expensive, the fact is that it is still very much a benefit for them to record since it still is tremendous advertising for them.

Now stop ignoring reality. Of course, retards can't ever see the reality.

The fact is that bands make money from merchandise and live performances not sales of their music, so even if it were expensive, the fact is that it is still very much a benefit for them to record since it still is tremendous advertising for them.

“Im working for an ISP and we disconnect criminal pirates that illegally share copyrighted stuff.

Criminals that do that doesn’t deserve to be free. They should be beaten by police and shot in the head.”

Here we have not only a liar and a troll but also the only pro-RIAA response out of 146.

Notice that virtually everyone else speaks with a cool head and some kind of logic behind their arguments. On the other hand, our pro-RIAA person is out for revocation of freedom and blood in general.

This, my friends, is a microcosm of our world. The vast majority of those who understand this situation are completely against the RIAA. The RIAA, however, is out for revocation of freedom and metaphorical blood in general.

Concepts in reality manifest themselves on multiple tiers and such a case as this, wherein the numbers are smaller, it becomes easy to strip away the frills and see everyone for who they are.

Also, the idea that copyright supports artists is just a joke. No, it favors industry. It certainly does not favor the indie artists – certainly the MAFIAA is not conducive to small artists. You just want to disadvantage the small artists. You have no real concern for the artists whatsoever, you MAFIAA scum.

Actually, it is cheap. There is no reason why it should be expensive.

Roze”

You really don’t have a clue, do you?

Like I asked — how many albums have you made, how many recording studios have you worked in, how many really good (and not cheap) studio sound engineers do you know?

I did a quick totting-up at the small independent studio where we made our last CD and there was something over £100k of gear in there. Do you know how much a high-quality studio mic costs? Do you know what the hire rate per hour is for a studio with a good engineer?

If you want to record something in your garage and mix it yourself, go ahead and do so — it’ll certainly be cheap. But to get really good sound you need someone who knows what they’re doing, which I’m pretty sure would exclude you.

Oh I forgot, you’re not interested in making music, just ripping off those who do :-)

I agree with #48 that implementing such a system sounds simply unfeasible. Let’s suppose for a moment that it could and would be created though – out of all things that it could hypothetically accomplish, the most obvious one for me would be inspiring use of further encryption methods. Outsmarting such a system seems much more easy to me to make it worth designing it in the first place.

and the number of artists who make the ridiculous amounts of money are a very small number indeed.

But these MASSIVE AMOUNTS….. no, no way in hell.

i think you’re getting “land of the free” and “land of the freetard” confused.

if you want to live in “land of the freetard” i suggest you move to sweden. there’s lots of ugly pale guys with bad teeth over there who feel their owed a free lunch by the rest of the world.

they stopped OHH REALLY ya mean they lied and got caught

The artists don’t get paid.
The suits do wasting time with crap like this.
Boycott all r.i.a.a. artist they don’t get kickbacks anyway.
Money goes to this kinda bullshit

So the real question is: are ISPs prepared to sacrifice over 20% of their revenue to appease the RIAA? That’s doubtful.

Furthermore, the FCC doesn’t take kindly to corporations that try to control the communications systems. Look what happened with the Comcast/BitTorrent debacle. Do you think the FCC would sit back and just allow 20% of Americans to be denied internet access at the behest of the RIAA?

I don’t see this happening at all.

I have not bought an album in years and even when I was buying albums, I never bought 40 in a year. Further even, out of the 40 shows I’ve been to, I don’t think I would have been into a single band if I hadn’t downloaded their music and listened to it first.

If I had bought 40 albums instead, there’s no way $800 of my hard earned money would have made it to the artists. My file sharing has had a significant and direct impact on the artists I like, much more so than buying an album would.

It’s unfortunate, however, that the RIAA is not concerned with the wellbeing of musicians. They’re much more concerned with regaining the control they have over what consumers are exposed to and how they’re exposed to it. They want to revert back to a time when they once again control what musicians have the right to make a living on their craft.

Screw that.

Thank you Thank you Thank you RIAA! I would not have though of this without you!

Roze

I have an additional response:

Let us just say “no” to conspiracy theories. There is no massive conspiracy of governments, no big political schemes. No, politics is just simple politics, and although secrecy may be maintained for a long time, and although there may be manipulations of the public, massive deception is simply not possible, so to say that the government has that much control over the public is just ludicrous – even more ludicrous to say that industry has that much lobbying power. Unlike what you think, money is not equivalent to power. The only reason why bad things keep happening to file-sharing politically is because file-sharers have been failing at politics lately – namely, because file-sharers have been far from politically active lately. The reason why the MAFIAA has such political support is not because of lobbying or money, but rather simply because file-sharers are inactive in politics – leaving the MAFIAA effectively unopposed. Just because there is no immediate effect from political action, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t figure into anybody’s minds, or change anybody’s minds.

I say: don’t invent imaginations like conspiracies of big lobbying power of industry to government, it is time to be more realistic and pragmatic about the real reason: that it is simply because file-sharers are not doing anything. The only way to change that is not to hide, but to organize and fight back.

Roze

Hmm, let’s see…

theft
-noun
1. the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.
2. an instance of this.
3. Archaic. something stolen.
http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=theft&search=search

Filesharing copyrighted work is an act of cloning commercial goods, then taking the cloned copies for your own personal use, thus leaving the original vendor with its original goods. No theft has occurred. Only copyright infringement.

So when you repeat the MAFIAA’s delusional screed that filesharing is somehow theft, you’re actually contradicted by the very definition of the word ‘theft’ itself.

Logically, legally, and empirically: Filesharing is not stealing. Hee hee… You’re trying to discredit Roze, but the more you try the more you just discredit yourself – thanks for getting Torrentfreak readers some fine, fine irony for Christmas :)

Lying Mind “And no, I have no connection to these industries whatsoever. I have a conscience for the digital artists you are raping.”

*snicker*

Sure, you don’t have any connection to the MAFIAA. If you don’t consider them signing your paycheck to be a connection.

BTW, the comedy of denying you’re a plant and then immedeately crying how filesharing is “RAEPING TEH ARTISTS!!!” is… Damn, son. I laughed so hard it almost bought a tear to my eye.

It’s like denying you’re a viral marketter for Coca Cola, and then following it up with “Now let’s all enjoy a nice cool refreshing glass of Coca Cola, the world’s finest softdrink! Mmm… Coke!”

And speaking of “coke”, you must be high on blow if you think anyone reading Torrentfreak is still unaware that you’re an industry plant.

*By the way, if anyone hasn’t caught on yet, Anonymous #120 and IanD are the same person playing different personae(Lying Mind made a similar mistake when he accidently used his “Reasoned Mind” screen name for a comment that was supposed to belong to another one of his persona). Let me just be the first to say I shed a tear for the plight of poor IanD’s imaginary band :(

Roze

They only care about a free lunch.

And just maybe, if the free lunch was one of the better “meals” they’ve ever had, they might leave a little tip of gratitude. maybe.

y’know, if they feel like being charitable…

http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html#1104859189661357526

Don’t get complacent.

“recording albums IS cheap – especially since all the P2P networks, &c. are willing to do the distribution work for the artists.”
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How many albums — decent quality ones that have been recorded and mixed by a professional who really knows what they’re doing — have you made?

Our band’s made several, and the studio time for both recording and mixing/producing costs thousands of pounds if you want to do it right and come up with a good product.

We debated long and hard whether there was any point doing the last one with the prevalence of “free” downloading, and decided there was because most of our fans are the kind of people who do think it’s worth paying for something good and wouldn’t rip us off by downloading it for nothing.

But if things carry on the way they are — and every album ends up on p2p for “free” — it might well be the last album we do.

Oh, and we sell them direct — mostly at gigs — without any cut for record companies or the RIAA. So if you rip and distribute it, you’re hurting the artists directly not the RIAA.

“…in the absence of proof that they are innocent, we shall assume they are guilty…”

nice :/

as usual you are speaking out of ignorance. the recording stage of an album is not cheap. you’re just an idiot kid behind a computer spouting off on a variety of topics you know absolutely nothing about.