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RIAA Victim Files for New Trial, Damages Excessive

Joel Tenenbaum, the Boston student hit with $650,000 in damages back in July 2009, has finally filed the next round in his case. In papers filed with the court, the amount of damages awarded are brought into question, as are the actions of the court. A new trial is requested.

riaaIt would seem statutory damages are a bittersweet pill for the record industry. On one hand they provide a handy battering ram for intimidating litigation targets into settling out of court, which is good for them. On the other, they can be used to turn a victory into a crushing defeat, which could be very bad.

Thus far, two US file-sharing cases involving individuals have gone to trial. Both resulted in victory for the recording industry, one of them twice.

In 2007, Jammie Thomas was sentenced to pay damages of $222,000 for 24 counts of infringement ($9,250 per infringement). Later, a retrial was granted, and in June 2009 a jury returned a similar decision, but with increased damages of $1.92 million ($80,000 per infringement).

Meanwhile, in July 2009, Joel Tenenbaum was also found to be willfully infringing, and a jury awarded damages of $675,000 ($22,500 per infringement).

On July 6th 2009, Thomas filed with the court that the damages were constitutionally excessive, and now Tenenbaum has too.

The central point of the case revolves around a US Supreme Court precedent, which is quoted in the filing as “few awards exceeding a single-digit ratio between punitive and compensatory damages, to a significant degree, will satisfy due process.

Compensatory refers to an amount to make up for actual losses (the damages suffered) and the punitive damages are designed to act as a deterrent for others and to punish. In this case, states the filing, at best it’s in the low 5-digits (22,500:1), and could easily actually be in the upper-5 digits (65,000:1 or greater).

Other considerations are put forward as well, including that the DRM imposed on music until 2007 (and still imposed on audiobooks) encouraged the use of P2P economically; or that the ‘egregiousness’ of the offense is low in comparison to the penalties – that it’s at most as bad as shoplifting – but the constitutionality of the damages is the main thrust, as it is with the Thomas case.

Time will tell as to how the courts will decide, but it may be that the very success in gaining such large damages awards will lead to a great diluting of the power of statutory damages. Very much a case of winning the battle, but losing the war; not what was expected when the papers were first filed, all those years ago.

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  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    Good luck Joel, you’re gonna need it against those scumbags.

  • Failure

    $650K for that? How do they expect a student to pay for this! If anything, it’ll help bankerupt the RIAA\MPAA becuase they have to pay legal fees. Even when they’re successful he can just file for bankerupcy.
    RETARDS

  • knux

    The problem is that to find ‘actual damages’ you need to prove that what they did actually hurt the business. Undeniable evidence does not exist, infact there is more evidence that it helps people find and buy what they really want.

    Unfortunately, this isn’t the way the US court does things as I can confirm. The US is more appeased to putting a number of idiots in there to witness the trial and then ask them what they think, and though this may work for criminal cases (which copyright infringement being a criminal case? Please, that wording is the most idiotic thing we’ve ever done) but in Civil cases like this one where knowledge is low on the incredibly technical subject, it work ass backwards.

    My prediction? Both will lose their case and face higher fines, more community service and even jail time.

  • knux

    @2

    That’s the point, they want to ruin both lives for a couple of years… Use that as a warning that the same will happen to EVERYONE else. It’s not about the money, the artists or even the music, they want to have the power. And our governments are too worried about the economy right now to even notice why people are in such a fluster about these issues.

  • Spankeh

    I was watching American TV on holiday last week and they had a news article on CNN about how they’d suddenly realised that people or organisations with more money get a better result from legal confrontations.

    They cited things like celebrity trial duration vs joe public duration and were amazed at how clever they were for seeing that celebs take months to complete, and joe public goes down fast n hard.

    America is sadly run by those with the money, and in this case the MAFIAA have the money.

  • del system32

    good luck , fu RIAA

  • baka pinkuu

    Oh, SNAP.

    They got too full of themselves… if they’d gone for $10k or 20k it would still terrify your average college student. By going for million-dollar damage awards, they:

    1) Shoot their credibility in the foot. I’d be startled if more than 10% of people look at those kind of figures as a reflection of how much poor little them have been wronged and think anything other than “horseshit.” Once people start questioning their credibility, their other faulty assumptions come under increased scrutiny.

    2) Practically beg the question of “So how much MORE do you owe the artists you’ve been ripping off?” It’s just a matter of time before some jury decides that if a single mom owes the RIAA a million dollars for not buying several dozen CDs, the RIAA owes some artist a few hundred million for selling several thousand CDs and pocketing the profits.

    3) Leave their victims with nothing to lose. If you’re looking at a $20k bill, $20k in lawyers’ fees for only a chance of winning looks like a pretty bad bet. But if you’re looking at a $1m bill, $20k in lawyers’ fees looks like a no-brainer. Which leads to the fact that they

    4) Sabotage their own strategy, which is to depend on the illusion no one can ever win and therefore no one should even try. They know good and well they have a flimsy evidentiary basis for their witch hunts. They’ve only gotten away with it so far because of the Golden Rule in the courts, i.e. “Those who have the gold make the rules.” Create enough cases like this where the defendant has no choice but to fight, put enough lawyers against them, and one of them is going to find enough fatal flaws in their arguments to hang them with.

  • anon

    easy solution: don’t steal music

  • baka pinkuu

    Anon 8: Easy solution, blow me. The RIAA has been caught out doing the same thing on a much larger scale.

    If “stealing music” should be punished at $80k per song, they owe the artists whose CDs they’ve been selling without permission enough money to cover national health care for everyone.

  • Reasonable Mind

    What is this world coming to?

    In the current economic climate where the poor people are getting poorer, The rich bankers are getting huge bonus, etc. the rich record industry want to suck people dry.

    Good luck to them. If only people boycott music for one week then they’ll have to listen to us. Maybe set a facebook thing up similar to Rage Against the Machine beating X-Factor at Xmas.

  • Liudvikas

    Easier solution: All lawyers financed by the government. No more bullshit of lets ruin that poor student with our multi-million lawyer star team. Plus anyone found bribing jury, lawyers, judge are shot on sight.

    These damages are insane, as a student I would not be able to pay 1k $, let alone 600k $

  • Anonymous

    >>easy solution: don’t steal music

    Next time you jaywalk we are giving you five years in prison. You shouldn’t complain because you seem to think that excessive punishments are a-ok.

  • Bob

    It doesnt matter, they may have won this isolated battle, but the war has been over for a long time, and the recording industry is dead and buried. This represents the last reflex jerking of the corpse before rigour mortis takes hold.

  • FetterZ

    Their whole purpose in suing consumers and media “pirates” is to make an example. Financially cripple the individual to the point of extremity.
    My friends girlfriend just got sued, and the court told her to sell her car, PC, and most of her belongings to show the labels that she was cooperating with them. Disgusting.

  • Anonymous

    What case was that FetterZ? I have not heard about any other cases.

  • Rain

    The jury system pisses me off, I bet they just gather up a bunch of community tv-dribble suckers, who believe everything they see on tv or that their friends tell them, then they just throw a random number in the air and u got pay that shit??Shit dude, this is mentally fucking handicapped…I would not pay that ammount for anything…like a crashed a god damn plane ffs…

  • JJ Blue

    “Their whole purpose in suing consumers and media “pirates” is to make an example. Financially cripple the individual to the point of extremity.
    My friends girlfriend just got sued, and the court told her to sell her car, PC, and most of her belongings to show the labels that she was cooperating with them. Disgusting.”

    I’ve wondered about that before. What would the court be able to do if you sold all your stuff to a friend or a family member for $1 with all the proper paperwork? I guess take money directly out of your paycheck but take out too much or you would just quit and…well, I don’t know what you would do then but they wouldn’t get their money.

  • TheCrawlingChaos

    Hope he picks up a different defence team this time, the circus that they ran last time did him more harm than good.

  • DaThief

    Its a lot more cheaper to just rob the cds from the stores.

  • Trelew

    Considering that both were “show trials” held in the corporate-friendly US, don’t expect these proceedings to be fair to those being harassed by the corporations. This abuse of the legal system shows the corruption of government by the corporations.

  • Tarl of Bristol

    I smell FUD…

    My friends girlfriend just got sued, and the court told her to sell her car, PC, and most of her belongings to show the labels that she was cooperating with them. Disgusting.

    I don’t think a court would ask you to do these things! Whats disgusting is the lame attempt at scaring people. Obvious troll obviously. Try again!

  • Anonymous

    @8 The RIAA has been stealing for years. Get your priorities straight.

    No such thing as originality in music, each and everyone of those artists stole their tune from someone else. In my opinion the whole entertainment industry are thieves!

    And the biggest criminal lives in wall street.

  • Anonymous

    @21

    I don’t think a court would ask you to do these things!

    If the girl had no cash and no other valuable assets, I could see it happening.

  • baka pinkuu

    @23 – The RIAA lawyers might, and her lawyer (if he were a moron) might, but the court’s place is not to try to give legal advice. It’s to render judgment. I agree, I smell FUD.

  • Anon

    Ok, what would be the prison time if not payed, or simply just said uck you in court and give me my prison time and gtf you get absolutely nothing now?

    please answer this.

    How much Prison time would occur??

    They cannot lock you up forever.

  • Anon

    I posted #25.

    ppl hit other ppl with a vehicle causing vehicle man slaughter and get 3 years of prison.

  • baka pinkuu

    @25 Ahhhhhh, there’s the man behind the curtain you’re not supposed to see. The “inhumane” debtors’ prisons of previous centuries would be a step up on the permanent enslavement creditors are allowed to put you in now that bankruptcy has been “reformed” for individuals (but strangely, not for corporations).

  • lol

    @21 my wifes ex husband was told to sell his car just to pay back child support so i can see this happening

  • Gargamel

    USA= A joke. The land of the free, founded on the graves of slaves that built and the where the stripes are really prison bars.

  • anon

    I’m kind of surprised that nobody has attempted to burn the RIAA’s HQ down to the ground.
    Which is the same thing that should happen to goldman sachs, the building should be burned. And when it is rebuilt, burn it down again.

  • FetterZ

    @15/21
    This is all according to her boyfriend. I’ve never met her personally (as she lives in Ohio and I’m on the west coast), but from what I do know she is indeed in a tough spot financially, so it makes sense that she’d have to sell or give up her car.

    And 21, stop being an idiot. If I wanted to monger fear I’d do it on other places then TorrentFreak.

  • Anonymous

    @30 I agree. Why does the Al-Queda bother to hijack planes when they could just bomb the RIAA?

    Then there would be some progress for once.

  • josh

    The worst thing is you would get a lesser punishment for breaking into a store and filling up duffle bags full of CDs and DVDs.

    @32 I agree! Al-Queda should go straight after the record industry since they are so important(!). For an industry that only contributes approx. 4% GDP to the US it amazes me how much power they have over the government.

  • Liudvikas

    Yeah, lets petition Al-queda to bomb riaa :D Osama if you’re reading this, I’d be really grateful :)

  • Anonymous

    #14 fud

  • Trevor

    World is so damn corrupt this poor guy doesn’t stand a chance. Seem, there is no other option for the working class or poorer people of this world apart from violence.

    I fear there will be a time soon where there will be a trigger point, where people will have enough of being stomped on by the rich and shit will really hit the fan.

  • Tarl of Bristol

    @FetterZ
    Since you can’t provide any evidence to back your claim,(i.e. names, dates, places) I will provide an example that proves you wrong.

    Music Piracy Suit Against N.Y. Family Is Settled for $7,000
    April 27, 2009

    If approved by a judge, the settlement would end a four-year fight between record companies and the family of Patricia Santangelo, 46, a mother of five, who lives in Wappingers Falls, N.Y.

    Under the terms of the settlement, filed in court in White Plains late Friday, the Santangelos will pay $7,000.

    They paid half the amount April 20 and are to make six payments of $583.33 by October.

    The courts will not ask you to sell your property to pay a debt!
    Nice try but no dice! Stupid trolls!

    Notes on trolls: “Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them.”

    “The point of arguing with a troll is not to convince the troll they are wrong but to convince the audience that the troll is wrong and have no real understanding of the subject.”

    P.S. This suit was for more than 1,000 songs, a whole sh!tload more than what Jammie and Joel were charged with! So how are the damages that they have been asked to pay fair when compared to this case? Its because like our troll said…

    Their whole purpose in suing consumers and media “pirates” is to make an example. Financially cripple the individual to the point of extremity.

    Trying to scare people with their bully-boy ways, epic fail! Maybe Joel and Jammie can use this in their appeals.

  • Anonymous

    It’s worse you can say go in rob a store, kill someone and make off with a cash register full of money and only get a few years.

    If I’m ever in a case like this, I’m going to remind them of that.

  • hms-one

    @8: hello, raisin brain. pretty weak sauce today, are we bored at work?

    On Topic: Good Luck to these gentlemen, their Our courts are so corporate friendly that they’re chances are as slim as the proverbial snowball, as previous judgements have shown. Still, for all our sakes, I hope they can pull this challenge off.

    Corporations are not citizens and are not entitled to any rights. They [i]should[/i] only have those privileges granted by the Gov’t and the citizenry in exchange for taxes. Sadly, current US legal precedent does not reflect this simple truth. Copyright, and other ‘corprate rights’ are held to the same standard as an inalienable human rights, rather than purchased legal privileges, subject to public interest.

  • wit

    Do not fear, fellow comrades! There is more of us than of them! We will sail these hostile waters to victory! HARRRRR!!!

  • true

    U.S.=democracy? that’s a joke. a sad one. or the “demos” is as stupid, that it deserves such a legal system and such power of corporations. u need to wake up over there!

  • Paul

    U.S isn’t a Democracy. I don’t believe there ever was a true democracy ever. You could call the U.S a Democratically Elected Dictatorship. Even that’s a stretch, votes are pretty much fixed.

  • Mannn

    Here you go in this economic nightmare they want a student to pay that much….Holy shit they seem to be more happy destroying human life than anything.

  • Sketch@1337x.org

    What a cool business model they have, sue your own customers…..i have a small struggling rental business, i think im gonna have to give this a try. yeah……starting this year, im going to sue all my customers, and then every year after that as well…..

    I AM GOING TO BE RICH!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    There is a better way around this, been studying Fleet law, the strawman, legal fiction etc, go look at John Harris – It’s an illusion on youtube for a start, here in the UK Ltd more and more people are using Common Law to beat this sort of stuff, ie Statutes apply to your fiction not the human being, please take a look I am find it very interesting

  • Dizzy

    Pfff, with all the lobbying going on in the US, i seriously can’t believe that judges are unbiased… That’s the only thing that could explain these excessive amounts of money.

  • g

    The RIAA did not demand 650k. This is what the jury decided to award. The law is written to allow up to $150,000 per infringement. Obviously, the awards are outrageously high, but The RIAA had repeatedly tried to settle with both Jamie and Joel, but they both refused.

  • Crash

    Damages of $1.92 million? – that is sick.

    It’s a pity that capitalism values a few illegal downloads over not-ruining this poor guy’s life.

  • Anon

    @47

    RIAA offering settlement amounts to “confess or we’ll torture you” without the literal blood splatters.

    @30

    The building isn’t the problem.. It’s the wankers _in_ it. Multiple executions might work, but would probably also make them martyrs, at least in the eyes of their bought-and-paid-for gov’t.

    Discrediting them will go much farther… I do hope the recent unpaid royalties in Canada crucifies them, and spreads to other countries. I doubt Canada is the only place they’ve been doing that.

  • Snedra

    I would disagree – them winning such huge settlements may very well in the long run reduce P2P incredibly, since most young people are becoming increasingly scared of downloading pirated material.

  • nope

    I don’t think any of you get it

    this kid plead guilty, even though the EFF was going to help him

    in america, students have fair use so we can’t get sued by companies for trying to survive college and eventually become capitalists that will get sued for insane amounts of money

    but this kid doesn’t know how to play the game, he deserves the death penalty for being a moron

  • The Old Codger

    What is this world coming to to.

    First there was the divide between the have and the have not’s..

    Now it coming to to the haves want more from the have nots and as the saying goes ‘let Them eat cake’

  • The Old Codger

    @8

    Pleas don’t annoy me snymore , it has been said over and over again that ‘Pirating’ (and how I hate this word) is copying and not stealing.

    Will you parasites out there finally get the message – we are only copying we are not stealing and therefore your unsuspecting customers will still go out there and buy you singles/and albums and fill your pockets. (God safe us)

  • The Old Codger

    To all above whether for or against please go to Miro and download ‘Us Now’

    This film has been released under the GNU Licence and therefore you are not contravening any copyright regulation. THOUGH IT MIGHT YOU THINK.

    Apologies for the shouting but it’s well worth it.

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  • Ace Hall

    An excellent movie Old Codger, I downloaded it sometime ago. Don’t expect the raisin brain types to watch it or admit to watching it, though. It goes against everything they believe in. Money, Greed, Control, and more Greed!

  • Ninja

    @7 Jan 06, 2010 at 01:10 by baka pinkuu

    True. I heard a guy saying that it’s ok if they wanna charge millions. He wouldn’t be able to pay and he’d use public lawyers while the industry would spend a whole lot in the process so it’d be actually funny if he got prosecuted…

    In any case, the outrageous amounts they ask are just creating more and more hatred towards them. And I’m not even talking about ppl here in TF lmao.

  • hmmm

    Where is it that an album costs $22,500 per album?
    If ANY fine should happen then it should be to pay for the cost of the album as it would be in the store.
    Not $22,500 per offense. That is just ridiculous.

    Let’s say someone shoplifted a small can of paint which is approx the same price as an album to buy.
    Would they be fined $22,500 for it?
    Of course not.

  • Yatti420

    Clearly excessive damages.. Anybody who gets fined that much should just keep going higher up the court system.. Hell they are going to be filing for bankruptcy anyways if they have to pay the fine..

  • del c:\*.*

    ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo… OMFG the dumbases of the RIAa think they can scare people, it’s uninforcable, people all over the planet do it all the time… Come on retards… Seriously!!! Grow some damn brains, you bastards!!!

  • Surys

    So in other words, if we are to attribute $1 per song… the most they could constitutionally be charged for is $10 per infringement?

    (few awards exceeding a single-digit ratio between punitive and compensatory damages, to a significant degree, will satisfy due process.)

    Would mean…

    $240 in compensation/damages from Jamie?
    $300 in compensation/damages from Joel?

    or does single-digit ratio mean something else?

  • Xagest

    Isn’t that more money most people make in a lifetime?

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