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Rights Group Demands Cash So Libraries Can Read Books To Kids

Libraries are wonderful places where even the poor can develop their reading skills and enrich their lives with knowledge, but for infamous rights group SABAM they are just another outlet from which to extract cash. Quite unbelievably SABAM now expect to receive payments of hundreds of euros so that libraries can read books to children.

There can hardly be an adult in the world who didn’t enjoy being read a story as a child and for many of us recollection of these tales means reliving some of our earliest memories.

But rather than being scared of the big bad wolf, kids in Belgium have a new foe – the country’s evil copyright overlords.

In quite possibly their lowest move yet, rights group SABAM are now trying to attach a price to children’s reading sessions taking place in libraries up and down the country.

More often associated with music-related collections, SABAM have been contacting libraries that hold sessions where children can listen to stories read out by library staff. These, the group insists, are events held in public and are therefore chargeable.

One target for SABAM is a library in Dilbeek that has been holding a twice-monthly reading hour for children.

“Each time a dozen or so children attend,” library worker Alexandra Vervaecke told DeMorgen. “A while ago we were suddenly contacted by SABAM and told that we have to pay. I have done the calculations: for us it would amount to 250 euro per year.”

Naturally the libraries are mulling ways to avoid paying SABAM – one option is to limit readings to older stories that are copyright free, but even that’s not easy.

“Even Grimms’ Fairy Tales are on a list of works for which one must pay,” said Vervaecke. “This is because only the original version is copyright-free. In any case it’s impossible to read only older texts.”

LINC, a non-profit organization that helps to set up public reading spots in libraries, is concerned by developments.

“A few hundred euros might not sound like much, but for small libraries it is quite a lot of money and the effects will not help to promote reading”, said spokesperson An Valkenborgh. “Since the report from Dilbeek we’ve heard from a few other libraries that have also been contacted about paying or are already paying.”

It’s not clear if there is a link with the increased SABAM activity in this area, but currently in Belgium it’s Jeugdboekenweek – children’s literature week. Nevertheless, SABAM insist they have a right to get paid.

“We have a department that actively tracks events for which royalties must be paid. It could be that they have seen a notice and thus contacted us,” said spokesman Jérôme Van Win. “For libraries there are no exceptions to the law. They are public places and so royalties must be paid for a public reading session.”

Only 3 months in, 2012 is proving to be a busy year for SABAM. Last month the group lost their legal battle with social networking site Netlog, with the European Court of Justice ruling that hosting sites aren’t allowed to filter copyrighted content as that would violate the privacy of users and hinder freedom of information.

In a separate case originally brought by an artist back in 2004, a judge’s findings means that SABAM is now facing accusations of falsifying accounts to cover up bribe payments, abuse of trust, copyright fraud and embezzlement.

Update: Although the original article at Belgium’s DeMorgen seems very clear, and despite the author of that article contacting SABAM and receiving a quote for his story, SABAM are now saying that there is a misunderstanding. While they clarify that they are able to ask for payment when a literary work is read out as a public performance, in the case of the Dilbeek library, SABAM say that the fee requested was only for the playing of music.

The bottom line is that if libraries arrange a reading they do have to contact SABAM to see if the work to be read is protected. If it is then the library has to pay SABAM a fee.

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  • http://twitter.com/MAFIAAFire MAFIAAFire

    The time to revolt against the MAFIAA is now, now tomorrow not the day after its NOW.

    Kick them inbetween their legs, then do it again twice just for good measure.

    • Garythepairy

      what the fuck is the mafiaa? nobody knows what you kids even mean anymore.

      • Exverxes

        Use google before asking… “Music And Film Industry Association of America™ (MAFIAA™)”

        • Izkata

          Wait… seriously? I thought it was just a bad play on the names MPAA/RIAA…

        • Morpheusxxz

          Oh the irony, the ultimate mafia! -.-

        • Sir

          @Izkata: it is a play on the names.

          From wiktionary; “Music And Film Industry Association of America, a parody created on April 1st 2006 as a hypothetical merger between the MPAA and the RIAA, the industry associations for Films and Music respectively. Both have been accused of exhibiting racketeering behavior.”

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        Troll harder

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      • Jmorse43508

        Not sure if ignorant, stupid, or just trolling. Maybe a little of each for all I know.

    • B6510963

      Pretty sure the Children’s Literature industry in BELGIUM has little to do with American Music and Film.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        O rly? Who are the main driving forces behind copyright idiocies again?

        • Anonymous

          That comment fits so nicely with your DP! XD

        • U No Who

          @thedude

          I agree……+ 1 (been a while since I seen it….b4 sopa)

          From now on……Ninja …..has to… start every single comment with that. : )

          O yes @Ninja …. rly ,,, every comment … : )

        • I Am Not Legend

          Idiocy indeed. They think they’re doing right by those with vested interests in profits (and only profits), but the reality is that they are greatly harming future income. The smart thing to do when someone demands money (besides telling them to GFT) is to simply say no and stop doing whatever it is they want money for.

          As a result massive numbers of kids won’t grow up with fond memories of all these ‘protected’ books, and then when they become adults they won’t buy those same books for their kids, kids whom also won’t grow up with fond memories and so won’t buy these books for their kids either, ad infinitum. That probably adds up to a hell of a lot more money than the tiny pittance they might be able to get right now via threats. Like the idiots they are, they always focus on the short term, never the long. This not only hurts them, it hurts the many writers and artists too.

          I know this because I’m hitting my fourties and when I look back on all of my experiences, the ones surrounding books when I was a child stand out as some of my best memories. In fact I’d say it may be in my top three, which is not at all surprising when you consider how the mind of a child works at that age.

          A quick example: my grandparents saw the Wizard of Oz at the theater when it first came out in 1939. They loved it so much that they took their own children (they had five in total) to see it twenty odd years later. The impact was huge on my mother as a child, who in turn was very excited to share it with me once she was grown up. I in turn purchased the movie for my children (along with other material by L. Frank Baum) whom all loved it immensely too, and there is no doubt they will do the same for their own children some day. No fond memories equals no knowledge or interest and thus no purchases. How many families are there on Earth exactly? This example applies to all media pretty much, but literature, film, and music especially.

          What these so called rights businesses are doing is perfectly fine with me though. I say we let the rights groups continue on with their idiocy. Let them continue to do more harm than anyone else on this planet could possible hope to achieve. After all you can only shoot yourself in the foot so many times before if detaches and you bleed to death as a result. Survival of the fittest. Adapt or die. Like Red always said, “Dumbass!”.

      • Guest

        And they say copyright is there to aid education and expand the legacy of human knowledge. Yeah, right.

    • It’s a fit-up

      “Kick them inbetween their legs, then do it again twice just for good measure.”

      But first record yourself performing a scream of agony and charge them a public performance fee when they lie in the gutter wailing.

    • Spunk

      is Garythepairy a mole or just new :p
      I got an idea, libraries got books, everyone can read them for free, they bought one copy once in order to do so … maybe rapidshare could try this approach and distribute lots of shit to people for very little money … donation- or otherwise. But i’m afraid they lack the spunk of the original TPB lords

    • YouAintDoinShit

      Awesome. How are you gonna revolt? I need ideas.

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    This is the type of news that makes you “WTF?”. And they really expect us to swallow all the theft, moral arguments they throw at us. Srsly?

    I pirate with pride and with peace of mind because that way I’m sure my money isn’t going to that type of bs.

    • Caladol1

      you don’t pirate you share/copy, which is a human right “to communicate”.

      we “computer pirates” us who had shared culture had done something more; we had also preserved culture. If it weren’t for the so-called pirates, our cultural diversity would have been lost on technology’s scrapheap.

      copy is not theft
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        Nah, I pirate. Didn’t they want to brand ordinary ppl as pirates? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    How dumb. At a time when children’s (and adults for that matter) interest in the written word is at an all time low, you would think rights groups would see the value of libraries trying to get children interested in the written word from an early age.

    Most kids have tories read to them before they are able to read but this acts as an incentive for children to learn to read themselves.

    The last thing anyone needs when trying to encourage young children to be life long book lovers is some jobsworth trolling for cash

    • Chuck

      Not only that, but if I was an author for children’s books, I’d be pissed. This is a direct attack at your customer base. Not only do book readings promote learning to read, but if you can’t read, you won’t buy books.. Just STUPID!

    • Nope

      The problem with these (obvious) thoughts, is that you’re assuming good faith. You’re assuming that these rights groups (RIAA, MPAA, SABAM, IFPI, etc) are working for the furthering of the arts. These (c) enforcement agencies are NOT working in good faith, they simply exist to make cheap cash grabs by sending letters and lawsuits all over the globe.

      It’s not about the bigger picture, it’s about $$$, as fast as possible, wherever possible. They don’t care about the success of the books, music, etc. They only care about screaming and whining and suing. These aren’t creative industries, they’re hordes of lawyers and other parasites running around trying to secure their own paychecks on the backs of the artists/authors, and in many cases the publishers and actual rightsholders that funded the works. These guys don’t make anything, don’t publish anything (other than complaints and bitching and moaning and bribing/corruption of legislation), and do little other than try to taint the experience of the media they’re being well-funded to “protect”. They don’t care about the sour taste in the mouths of the consumers they harass and oppress, nor the lost revenue to the artists and publishers as people get tired of it and stop buying the media. They just want that money, and they want it now.

      Remember, when you hear this kind of story and your first thought is “gee, that seems kinda stupid from a business standpoint”, remember that you’re thinking in “good faith”. These agencies are not.

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        Absolutely. In 20 years when the fruits of their labour are apparent and all the children have grown into TV watching drones because nobody encouraged or inspired them to read, SABAM will be blaming their losses on the pirates.

        • Anyone

          in 20 years they hopefully no longer exist
          those acronym agencies will only get worse as time gets on, the sooner we dismantle them the better

  • Say it loud with me

    Fuck this shit!

  • RodRussian

    How low can these parasites go? This piece of information must now be shared everywhere, worldwide, so that everyone can see what the copyright mafia is doing. I believe that this is our chance, they really went too far this time. I think nobody can be on their side any more. SABAM has committed a suicide or at least is very near of killing it self by doing this.

    Spread the word! Let’s take them all down. People are on our side after reading this story for sure!

    • Anon

      Problem is people don’t have the balls to do anything. People will keep taking it up the ass lying down until their ass bleeds and then die but they won’t stand up and do something.

    • Caladol1

      They have been breeding they’r ideas for decades, brain washing people in to thinking that copy is a crime, that culture must have a price, that artists are in financial trouble because of “pirates”.

      The MAFIAA has people thinking that we are the artists enemy!
      We are customer’s and we distribute, the Mafiaa does not want competition in the distribution, more than control it they want complete control, so we listen/view/read to what they say, and nothing else.
      which is terrible for the artist’s, the ones they exploit, and the ones they don´t.

  • Anonymous

    so what news of the law suit against them for fraud then? this latest episode is really going to help their case, isn’t it

  • Anonymous

    Imagine if you sing a song or quote a book in public, get ready to fork over royalty fees for holding “public events.”
    I hope all of these fuckers fatally crash into each other and just eliminate all of this bullshit.

  • PlatinumC

    Wow, just wow.

  • 1ofmillions

    Sad day to be a parent!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

    Looks like SABAM are trying to topple BREIN from the position of Most Hated Copyright C*nts in Europe!

    • Roytuwcv

      No… Brein are KING Cunts.

      Sabam are just moronic bitches.

  • Pjchillout

    goddamn assholes i live in Belgium :(

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  • Amused

    This has made me think a bit about libraries. What do libraries actually do?…They lend you books…free of charge. It’s not filesharing but isn’t it very similar. The difference being that it’s a physical copy of the works rather than an electronic copy (epub e.t.c.) being shared to the general public..free of charge. Granted the said book probably has to be purchased by the library in order to lend/share it to perhaps 1000s of people. If I download an epub/pdf copy of a book from a filesharing web site, I can be prosecuted by the rights holders. But if I go the my local library and borrow a book I can read it for free and the authour/publisher don’t collect any money from me. It could be argued that one borrowed book = one lost sale. In my local library I can also borrow music cds by artists like Adele, Take That, Madonna, all high profile current artists. they also have a selection of DVD movies I can borrow…for free. I can bring these home, copy them, convert to mp3/flac or high quality mkv/mp4 and even upload to a cyberlocker or torrent site if I wished to do so.
    My point is, I wonder how long it will be until the MAFIAA start to shut down or demand massive payments from local libraries for copyright infringement or for facilitating copyright infringement. They way things are going, surely it’s bound to happen.

    • Nightforce9

      Actually, the library around my area now lends out digital music as well. Not sure how it’s supposed to prevent someone from keeping the content indefinitely but the service is there. In that sense, libraries truly are like filesharing.

      And yes, it’s probably only a matter of time before libraries are attacked like crazy but hopefully the MAFIAA isn’t that stupid because surely libraries won’t go quietly.

      • Anon

        I wouldn’t be so sure, libraries are being used less and less. So, people being people will just say “doesn’t affect me” and that will be the end of libraries, they are actually being closed in my area with very little figth from the public.

        The trouble is we now live in a society of individuals with no real communities. In my street nobody really bothers with each other the best people do is give a begrudging hello when a ‘confrontation’ is inevitable.

    • Captain Buzzoverinthehead DFC

      In the UK the authors of books lent by libraries receive royalty payments from the Public Lending Right for the number of times they’re borrowed. (I know from experience – I received a (very) few UKP from the few times my book was borrowed!)

    • FinalApokylypse

      Libraries buy multiple copies (based on expected demand) of books to then lend out to people. That said it could definitely be argued that it could equate to lost sales overall. Some places have copy protection on their media (although lets be honest not too hard to bypass usually). Here’s the thing though, as far as I know most libraries are government funded/managed. I know that in my city the librarians are classed as council members. . Not sure if its the same in Belgium but if it were it’s basically taking petty change from the government.

    • Guest

      Your analysis is interesting, but you’ve missed the crucial difference that makes libraries legal while filesharing remains illegal; libraries never produces new copies, while filesharing has to produce new copies. Let me explain; a library procures physical copies, and then gives away those physical copies. If it only gets 5 copies of Harry Potter, it can only give away 5 copies of Harry Potter at any given time. In filesharing, if the website acquires 1 copy of Harry Potter, an infinite number of people can produce copies of Harry Potter from that website. That’s production of new copies, and that’s what filesharing legislates against.

      Remember, copyright is at heart the right to determine who can and can not make copies (and to a lesser degree, who must be accreddited with a work and who can publicly show the work, as we see in this article). Because of this, we can actually draw a large distinction between libraries and filesharing. I’d personally go so far as to say that libraries are technically sharing while filesharing is not, but that’s an argument for another day.

      Now, it’s important to note that despite this, libraries have faced opposition from rights groups in the past. Trust nothing a rights group says about the matter; they’ll probably lie to you.

      • Guest

        Edit: “That’s production of new copies, and that’s what filesharing legislates against.” correct to “And that’s why filesharing is legislated against”.

        And to be clear, that’s a legal justification for the legislation, not the real reason it’s legislated against (greed comes up far more in that answer).

      • Fredrika

        > “..but you’ve missed the crucial difference that makes libraries legal while filesharing remains illegal; libraries never produces new copies, while filesharing has to produce new copies.”

        Actually no, that’s not the reason at all. The reason libraries are legal is because the positive value they created for society was evident, and at the same time no negative value could be proven, so therefore there was no reason to forbid libraries. That’s how all legislation works, if no negative value can be proven with something, it should not be forbidden.

        And that’s why filesharing should be legal in all countries, and not just some as today, because there exists no scientific evidence that indicates that free filesharing produces any negative value for society, creators, culture or the concept of copyright.

        • Guest

          You misunderstand me Fredrika; I’m not saying that what I stated was the reason for leaving libraries legal, I’m saying that his analysis is incorrect. He made a statement about what libraries do, and said that filesharing is similar. That is simply untrue, and we can show that by pointing out what filesharing does that libraries do not do.

          That does not mean that the positive value of filesharing can not be evident, and it does not mean that filesharing should not be legal; it simply means that libraries and filesharing are different things, and the reasons for not making one illegal can be clearly dissociated from the reasons for making the other illegal.

        • Guest

          One more thing occured to me.

          “The reason libraries are legal is because the positive value they created for society was evident, and at the same time no negative value could be proven, so therefore there was no reason to forbid libraries.”

          You seem to be objecting to my saying (roughly) “the reason libraries are legal”. You seem to object to someone stating a reason for something to be legal. I want to make sure that when most people say this, the meaning of “the reason it is legal” is exactly the same as “the lack of reasons to forbid it”. You’re getting caught up in semantics; be careful, or you might start ignoring what people actually say in favor of being picky about language used.

      • Anonymous

        Which brings us to the interesting situation in countries like Sweden. The libraries would love to lend out digital works as well.

        Unfortunately, after all the costs and licenses are tallied it costs a swedish library 20 crowns to lend a digital book where it only costs them 1 crown to lend an ordinary physical hardback. Most of the overhead being the same for both items, the remainder is made up of licensing fees. Ooops.

        And of course the copyright industry is defending this situation tooth and nail.

        • Guest

          Interesting. This is probably one of the few areas where the U.S. is less restrictive. Bookstores like Barnes and Nobles take the policy of only renting out as many books as they have purchased, similar to the restrictions placed on a library. This has been upheld in court. I wouldn’t have guessed that Sweden was worse here.

      • Amused

        Yes, but if they lend out those 5 copies say 10,000 times each then that’s 50,000 people that have been able to read Harry Potter without paying a penny. One of the main claims made by the MAFIAA is that every time someone downloads a movie or a cd, that equates to a lost sale. This is why (they say) they need such massive amounts of compensation.

        Using their reasoning, it would be a legitimate claim to say that the 50,000 people that borrowed Harry Potter from the library equates to 50,000 lost sales.

        • Guest

          I never defended that claim. The false sales claim that the MAFIAA makes is untrue. That doesn’t mean that the claims I responded to were true. They’re both wrong.

    • Noneone

      The local library has now started with e-books, could that be considered “file sharing”?

  • Anonymous

    I’ve heard of stealing candy from a baby….but stealing books from a baby? That is just downright evil.

  • Anonymous

    This is so low down. Way too low. Have they no shame?

    • MadAsASnake

      No

      • Caladol1

        none of us would do these people’s work, as we have morals

  • Guest

    This page has 5 images: http://pastehtml.com/view/brbl2fu4i.html

    These images are being claimed as copyright infringing? LOL.

    • JakeWalrusTits

      are those the images Disney is suing over, pretending they own??

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  • Anyone

    Good News!
    they are teaching children that they should pirate culture at an early age

    good for them

  • dafuq

    Maybe you could add to the article that the stories being read by _volunteers_. This is insane and I hope this organisation of corrupted souls will get dismantled very soon…

    • Caladol1

      this organisation is just the tip of the iceberg

  • Jeff Bekcer

    DRM, Digitally Restricted Media.

  • mrtee

    This is unbeliveable, next they’l be wanting money from schools cos the teachers/pupils are reading text books and the like out loud in class.
    where the hell is this gonna stop.

    • Anyone

      it’s gonna stop once we dismantle those criminal organizations

      • Nevdka

        Which ones – SABAM or the schools who are stealing content by not paying?

        • Anyone

          SABAM, BREIN, GEMA, RIAA, MPAA, etc.
          all of them

        • MadAsASnake

          Schools are generally protected at this level. DO you really think it’s bright to force teachers with an already immense workload to have to cosider copyright issues on every little word they use?

  • Harold31415

    What SABAM does makes more sense for an organization hoping to strengthen pirate party support. But somehow I don’t believe that’s their intention..

  • Guest

    this is absolutely absurd! how they hell can they get away with something like this! I think this is something that should be taken to court as a class action law suit to establish a precedent that the copyright industry can’t just extort moraly established uses of their content. they are demeaning their own cases by attacking the lowest echelons of possible use. they are not only proving that they are only in it for the money but they show they don’t care about who they hurt in the process. the money grubbing attitude of the copyright industry must be stopped. if there ever was a line between the copyright industry and organized crime extortion rings its ever blurring if not on a legal level then a moral one. I have never heard of a more indignant loathsome way to threaten someone that doesn’t involve knee caps. this is a disgusting abuse of power!

  • Jmorse43508

    I think these douchebags need to be taught a lesson… in Court.

    Or if the Courts won’t do anything about them, someone else should: paging Anonymous – #opsabam.

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    i wonder how much lower this trash can go to get few cents

  • Anonymous

    I think we do need a list of Public Domain and Creative Commons children’s stories when they don’t need to be old to be freely used. Since this is a free service to children then I doubt there would be many objections.

    You may be able to get an old copy of Grimm’s Fairy Tales but I doubt it would be cheap due to the popularity.

    It is very low for SABAM to want to extract payment from libraries and children. This is a fundamental service to educate children and to get them into reading. To cut them off at this early point means no book reading and buying in later life. Very counter productive in other words.

    Well what can you say. SABAM should be shut down due to their whole host of unlawful acts.

    • Chronoss2008

      there arent any according to hollywood

    • boink

      Well.. if an old copy of Grimm’s Tales exists (and it’s out of copyright), what exactly prevents anyone possessing such book to convert it to PDF and seed away? It’s out of copyright, right?

      • Anonymous

        There is or were numerous operations such as “Project Gutenberg” which attempt things like this. Sadly, I’m pretty sure they won’t be able to survive the next spate of EU legislation.

  • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

    as far as i was aware, it doesn’t cost anything for anybody to read to anyone else?

    • Gae

      No, but its a lost sale right???

  • Chronoss2008

    easy solution don’t pay and make the population more stupid
    then one day when you need stuff to get made or done the entire nation is too retarded to do anything
    VICTORY

  • SororPisces

    What about the Convention on the Rights of Children, Articles 13 and 17? I’m trying to figure out how it is “necessary” to restrict the freedom of expression of these kids.

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  • Lulz

    It’s okay, it isn’t like SABAM are anonymous, it’s fairly easy to find out who their family members are and when they’re doing socially conscious activities like helping at schools. The easiest solution is to use this knowledge against them, and send them cash demands when either reading books out loud at schools or in public places.

    Bagging them on books they’re demanding cash for would be best, the claim can be filed through SABAM. If they meet claims with refusals, not only would it be embarrassing and harmful for SABAM, it would severely mark any legitimacy in any future claims or legal cases.

    Don’t see this as more negative harassment from SABAM, See this as the opportunity that is needed to take them down permanently.

  • MadAsASnake

    Refuse to pay, tell them to leave. If they file suit, meet them in court. It’s clearly high time that the laws underlying these schemes need to be updated for the real world

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Agreed totally on that subject, to be blunt. It’s past time that some of these things were made illegal and/or exempted from the laws that try to force people to pay multiple times for everything they read/watch/etc.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bobby-Marks/1432576223 Bobby Marks

        Library and educational use of copyrighted material is already covered under fair use laws in about 99% of the shit-giving world.

        This is just a stupid move and bad press for rights groups.

  • FTG

    What the fuck is next? Charging Churches for reading the Bible? Holy fuck (no pun intended).

    • Amused

      Yes! I’ve heard that God has been watching Holywood very closely and has hired a top law firm to look into wheather priests & clergymen could be sued for copyright infringement.

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  • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

    After reading the “Hobbit” article yesterday, that the copywrong industry can not sink lower. Now, I’ve been proven wrong.

  • Mwhahaha

    oh for FUCKS SAKE.

    If children don’t get engaged with reading then they’ll never sell any books to adults.
    It’s like drugs, give them their first taste of it for free and they’ll be hooked for life.

    As it is, Amazon are doing their level best to kill writing as a career currently so soon hardly any new books will be written.

    Hey why don’t we all just watch TV like idiots from now on.

  • tonyj

    Like we didn’t see this coming.

    • Anon

      Like the rightsholders shouldn’t get paid for the use of their literary products. If you feel strongly that libraries should be stocked free, write a decent book on your own dime and then give it to the world free of charge.

      Pirates put no value where their mouth is.

      • Anonymous

        The thing is .. they do! When the library first buys the book it puts on it’s shelves. Libraries exist to promote reading and learning. No one would buy a book if they had no interest in it. How do they get an interest in books (of ANY sort) ? By the exact things that SABAM is now fighting against. So .. no interest in books … no book sales … no money for the writer, publisher, or anyone … THAT is of NO VALUE

      • http://7-books.net/ SleepyJohn

        Any writer who objects to his books being read out to children in a library at no charge must, by definition, be an idiot; so all his work should be removed from every library as being unfit for the purpose of educating the next generation.

        As for the ‘rightsholders’, I would like to see Andrew Carnegie rise from the dead and haunt them into screaming terrified insanity; or buy up the whole copyright industry and sack everyone from under-manager upwards.

      • Desu75

        Anon is the town, rape-loving, idiot.

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        It has nothing to do with piracy and everything to do with the whole purpose of libraries. Also, it’s failing to see the forest for the trees. Children who are read to grow up to be readers…you know, people who buy books?

      • Beyond The Black Stump

        Okay, I will…it will be titled “Anon: The Anal Retentive Troll”.

        “Chapter 1: Anon was surfing the internet for porn one fine Thursday morning when he came across a website called Torrentfreak.com. Anon got quite excited and …”

        You get the idea.

      • Fredrika

        > “Like the rightsholders shouldn’t get paid for the use of their literary products.”

        You seem confused. They have never been paid for use of their literary products. Secondly, it’s not their products.

        Seriously, it would help you so much if you learned some of the fundamental basics, such as that an intellectual work never constitutes property, and that an intellectual work never constitutes a product from the perspective of consumers or society. Or the fact that all property that the filesharing debate, and this article, revolves around, is not property belonging to someone else, as in a creator or copyright monopoly owners, it’s property that belongs to the people filesharing, or the library.

        > “Pirates put no value where their mouth is.”

        You do nothing but spread lies and false fascist propaganda, so your value would be even lower then?

      • Guest

        Can everyone please stop responding to the pro-pirate troll? I know it gives you warm fuzzy feelings to fight an easy battle, but you should really argue against someone who’s actually against piracy, not this pirate troll. Stop being manipulated.

        • Anonymous

          Oh, he’s no doubt a troll.

          Problem is, most of what he says has been extensively used by organizations like SABAM and Sony so there is no way to be sure he isn’t in fact just the average pro-copyright fanatic.

        • Anon

          Scary, he’s claimed that filesharers should be rounded up and shot. I’ve never seen Sony standing by that point of view.

          All the evidence points to a pro-piracy troll. I could assume that he’s really anti-piracy, but that requires me to make too many assumptions. Occam’s Razor.

        • Anonymous

          @Anon

          No, to be sure the worst they’ve stated is that nothing good ever came out of the internet.
          However, attempts have been made, notably in the US, to link filesharing with drug trade and terrorism. Although those atempts were mainly made by RIAA/MPAA it was heartily pushed by EMI, Sony, WB et al.

          Sony aren’t insane enough to openly say they want filesharers rounded up and shot. You have to wait until their paid enforcers “imply” that.

          I’m all for Occam’s Razor but honestly, what that Razor tells me is he’s just a troll fishing for reactions. Not his motivation.

          And trolls, in general, do not deserve the assumption that they are working out of a “means-to-an-end” philosophy.

      • Grimmer

        I’d be willing to give my money to brothers Grimm but oh, wait, they are dead for about 150 years now. Did not know copyright law would protect for 200 years.

      • Anonymous

        Ah yes, and now libraries enable piracy – for reading stories to children.

        Seriously, Anon, along with your arguments that a victim deserves abuse for being provocative and that rape is a morally acceptable punishment for helping a person share information with another, I’m beginning to lean to the conclusion that you are just a low-grade troll.

        Unfortunately, such arguments do appear in earnest from people like SABAM and Sony so we can’t be entirely sure about that.

      • Guest

        Stories have always been passed down by word of mouth so I’m not really sure what the problem is here. I know what your problem here is, though; you can’t stand the idea of someone getting anything for free regardless of circumstance.

        And yet, you still refuse to shed a tear for Andrew Crossley. Why the fuck are you such a heartless bastard, Anon?

      • Maroan

        Anon, please do me a favor? Think before you write some kind of fucked shit! Libraries do indeed pay copyrights fees every single year to the respectives authors of the books they buy! Why on earth should they furthermore pay some nonsens additional fee for something they already pay, dumbass? And may I point that the reason why libraries can lend books free of charge for their users is because we, taxpayers in fact pay the bill every year??

  • Desu75

    SABAM are tards. But damn, would be epic to have the last name Van Win.

  • Beyond The Black Stump

    If I was an author of a childrens book. I would be horrified to find that the local library has to pay a stupid fee for reading my books. A library reading is like free advertising. If anything the author should pay the library for reading their book to kids.

    • Desu75

      Don’t worry. You’d be more horrified to know how much of a “cut” the publisher and their middlemen get and the crumbs you’ll be getting for doing the actual work. It’s a system designed to take advantage of talent.

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

      Funny thing, children who are read to develop an interest in reading and grow up to be readers who buy books. It’s eating your seed corn or, alternately, being a tremendous jackass.

  • anon

    at the moment i have to pay sabam for every word i type because some dumbass decided to copyright the alphabet and numbers lol. just think in about 5 or 10 years it may come to that. things like this only happen because people are afraid that their freedom may be taken away by spending time in jail or having to pay a fine. what can the gov do throw everybody in jail or make everybody pay fines? i doubt it because then the economy would be worse off than it already is and then the gov would lose more money. easiest way for the libraries to solve the issue is to go on strike and then the gov would listen because then you would have the writers complaining that their work is not being appreciated like it should be. by the writers books being read in a library it is free advertisement and leads to sells of their other books.

  • Fake

    They are obviously enemy agents attempting to undermine our educational system and should be treated as such.

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  • Maroan

    SABAM is really hitting bottom on this one… As far as i know, libraries pay copyrights fees to the respective authors of their materials every single year. We users pay as well for the right to use libraries free of charge through our taxes.
    And now SABAM want to cash on the right to free reading in the libraries? Dear authors, please write to SABAM and tell them go to hell, they are in fact on the way to kill YOUR business..

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    finally!! someone is going to put a stop to some horrible books!

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